Only liberal Dems can politicize in Churches

[Sassy]

...without losing tax exempt status. Why is that?

Jesse Jackson can raise money in a church (I wonder if J.C. Watts or Alan Keyes could), Mary Landrieu probably won the U.S. Senate race in Louisiana by speaking at churches in Louisiana, and I believe I heard Mario Cuomo say on Fred Dicker's radio show that he was going to speak at a church on behalf of his son (when he was running in the gubernatorial race).

Read "Letter to IRS Regarding alleged church political activity in Louisiana" and "Activist Files IRS complaint over alleged church politicking" at CNSNews.com. Here's some of it:
A conservative political activist has filed an official complaint with the Internal Revenue Service over allegations that churches in Louisiana aided Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.) in her recent re-election effort against Republican candidate Suzanne Haik Terrell.

Rick Sellers sent a letter to Steven Miller, director of Exempt Organizations of the IRS, claiming that over 300 churches in the state participated in partisan political activity.

"I would like to bring to your attention IRS illegal activity in Louisiana during the recent U.S. Senate runoff by more than 300 churches in support of Senator Mary Landrieu's campaign," he wrote.

Sellers attached three newspaper articles - from the Times-Picayune and the Washington Post - that reported on speeches before churches by Landrieu, as well as quotes from Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.) detailing how some campaign workers use church vans for transporting voters.

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[Not A Hypocrite]

Sassy - You vote only as your priest tells you. You are the last one who should be casting stones at those who speak about politics in Church.

[Sassy]

You missed the point again.

CONSERVATIVE priests, ministers and rabbies CANNOT tell thr congregation who to vote for.

ONLY liberals are allowed free speech in churches.


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[Reader I]

but then you have shown in the past that your viewpoint is the only viewpoint.

I hear more political conservatism from pulpits than liberal ideas. I've also seen Republicans hand out literature after services in churches, synagogues, and temples. I've seen Democrats bng asked to leave the same places.

Sassy, you have your own beliefs. But you should be more informed and take off your blinders.

[Not A Hypocrite]

That was exactly my point. Pro Choice candidates are not even allowed participate in candidate forums promoted by local churches. There is plently of political indoctrination taking place in the local houses of worship, and it ain't all liberal.

[Yodel]

Right on there -- liberals don't feel comfortable in most churches, which have been hijacked by the boring right.

But Jesus seems like the ultimate liberal -- not throwing stones, hanging out with hookers and taxmen, feeding the sick and poor, etc.

Churches survive on money -- and courting conservatives is more of a sure thing. They're usually older, lifelong local, nearer the grave.
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[Patriot]

You're funny Fiscal Conservative, alias Hypocrite, alias Reader I, alias whoknowswhatelse. I think I'll do that, too. We may as well - nobody else is talking with us.

But all kidding aside, you must have MANY religions to know all this. You STILL make up things as you go along (ALL of you) and as NYIndependence asked you where's your proof??? High Road gave you research and Sassy gave you websites. Again, where's your evidence?

High road kept asking you to do your homework, but it appears you did not.
But it will be FUN to see what you fabricate next time.

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[Reader I]

I used the nick of Reader before then someone else posted using reader so I used Reader I today.

and yes, I was raised in four different religions, my parents couldn't make up thr minds. Add in religions of friends and in-laws and that's a nice mix. You see, Sassy, I don't close my mind to what others have to say. As for my proof of what is done/said at houses of religion, go do some research yourself. I've seen it. You want me to start videotaping it for you?

wth are you talking about with the "research" and Sassy's sites? about how "life begins at conception"?

Sorry, folks, any biology book that says human life, or any life, begins at the moment of conception is showing nonscientific bias. Sassy's websites were stomach churning and among them, they advocated hate and violence.

[Religion and Politics.]

Good thoughts Disgruntled Taxpayer but I would not associate conservatives as folks who justify slavery and segregation. Liberals talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. They insult minorities by acting as if they can't make it without the government. They send thr kids to private schools while telling us to support public schools. Bush places blacks and other minorities in high positions. I'm pretty much a conservative and have dated minorities.

Reader I (alias et al): You are making up stories AGAIN. I dare you to QUOTE from one website by Sassy that is "stomack churning and among them they advocated hate and violence." Go to Minor Forum, look at Boohoo boohoo and reread it.

And now for a little levity: I have a story about a little boy whose parents had FOUR religions because they couldn't make up thr mind, and the big, bad, mean Republicans showed up at all FOUR of these religions, and it traumatized the little boy so much that he grew up to tell untrue stories (all without verification).

[Sassy]

Disgruntled,

It's fun to see the evolution of the political terms "liberal" and "conservative." Just as the Democratic (at one-time pro-slave) and Republican (Lincoln) parties swapped places, people who were
"liberal" way back when couldn't be defined the same way as today.

Liberals did believe in a certain free-market economy, but, for that era, the belief rather fits. Free trade back then was synonomous with freedom. But everyone was on a more level playing field. A free-market economy would be a mess today, considering how free markets, eventually, turn into just a few people getting rich on the backs of the masses. Unchecked, eventually McDonald's would stomp out every restaurant in your town, the theory holds.

But let's get to taxes. I don't know why, if today the main issue with conservatives are taxes, the conservatives, in general, have aligned themselves with the Republicans. I haven't seen enough proof that Republicans are any more tax-cutting than Democrats, at the local, state or national level.

I tend to think unchecked government, no matter who's in charge, will tax as much as possible. Longtime incumbents will be more prone to keep the annual status quo (tax increases). They become ther (or both) crooked, hiring cronies at above-market pay, or in bed with the special interests. ther way, taxes rise.

New candidates -- ther because they are green or because they are not tied into the system -- are more likely not to raise taxes, I've seen.

I think the conservatives should become the anti-incumbency party. Incumbency goes against the very ideals of disgruntled taxpayers like you.


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[toomuch]

sounds like the Beckers of Lynbrook were just discribed, the long time incumbents of Lynbrook. I heard that they were going to put up a slate to run against the Mayor in the March election....I guess they must have quit the Lynbrook Indepandent party...does anybody know about this one?

[Sassy]

Disgruntled Taxpayer: Do you ever write "letters to the editor" to express your views? Maybe you can change some minds and hearts out there. And when they are published, you can send the letter to the politicians, when applicable, so that they will know that many others have read your message.

Retired Colonel: I feel that in NYS we have two Democrat Parties, for the most part. Both are liberal. That's why we have high taxes in NYS. In fact when Sandy Treadwell Republican chairman 1st started, I wrote him a note telling him how I felt. (I probably should write a "letter to the editor" about that.)
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[Sassy]

Sassy, I too think we have two major parties that are too similar in many regards, but I don't think thr spending has to do with ideology. I think both big parties have thrown away thr ideology and are melding into one vanilla flavor.

My point was, these incumbent politicians SPEND our tax dollars to stay in office.

If taxes are your concern, I think, you're better off voting for newcomers -- whether they are socially nazi conservative or pinko liberal. Newcomers are less apt to be corrupt and are less experienced in general -- they haven't learned the political tricks about taking your $$$. If a politician knows LESS, we keep more in our pockets.

It's a conservative reflex to vote for incumbents because conservatives are often afraid of change -- but that's a costly reflex. These longtime politicians -- Dem and GOP -- will rob us blind.


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[Sassy]

In NYS the two major parties sure HAVE melded in one vanilla flavor. Guess that's why NYS has so many minor parties; a lot of us aren't happy. Politicians DO spend our money to stay in office with special interest money to get votes. And then there's Pataki's tv commercials at taxpayer expense. I don't see any difference between the Democrats and Pataki or Bloomberg.

While taxes are a concern, the most important issue is the life issue. That's why I joined the RTL Party.

I would consider myself a conservative (mostly), but I do want change in NYS - big time!


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