Why the NC Dems will fail

[The Truth]

Yes - The NC DEms are raising money at an unprecedented rate - Yes - Th NC Dems control both branches of government and will also decide the new Legislative Districts - So it seems that all is well - Whatever! - There are 2 huge problems in the party right now - 1) There is absolutley no feeling of family in the committee - Everything is about raising money and sucking up to Suozzi - Now that the honeymoon is over, Jacobs and the party leadership have failed to make people feel welcome and important and part of something - I mean, $40 for a holiday party - ARE YOU SERIOUS?! - It's really bad - I think it would be better if the Dems got a new chairman and retained Jay as a fundraiser - He's great at that - 2) Suozzi has turned off more people than can be counted - Wow, is he ever a son of a bitch - Who knew he was this bad? - He has forgotten all the people who got him elected and he has his sights set on the Governorship so hard that he will fail at his job as CE - There's no relief in sight everyone -Get out while you can!
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[Tom Suozzi]

I think the NCD party is going to take the heat next year because of Tom Suozzi's actions. I have spoken to many people registered in both parties and they are fed up with him and sorry they voted for him the first time. His tax increase is going to come back to haunt both him and his fellow legislators. Any one can fix a problem by raising taxes it takes talent to do it some other way. Like he said "I can do it becuase I have done it" he raised taxes in Glen Cove and he can do it in Nassau. If they run some strong candidates and use thr resourses properly (money and man power) they can take back control. The NC Dem Legislators have to take some of the blame for the financial problems they have been in control for three years now.

The only problem is to come up with a good candidate willing to take on the chalange, Peter King, Mike Balboni, perhaps Jim Garner or Mareen O'Connel. My choice would be Jim.

[RobertThomas]

Gotta convince Newsday that it has been "governmet by press release" and he's a man of no substance Also: convince the voters that the Legislature should be R andthen you will have more of a balane of power.

[The Truth]

Keep your heads in the Sand. Suozzi beats everyone mentioned above by 20 points. You might not like the folks coming in from the city, but face it, we didn't have the talent in Nassau, because we didn;t develop that talent. We rewarded political loyalty and nothing else. Virtually every department had a Moron in control supervising his wife, son and daughter. For the first time in this county, talent counts.

Additionally, while there is certainly significant grumbling among dems and republicans alike, that grumbling is from folks who diddn't get the job they wanted or who are not getting contracts that they thought they deserved. Most people in the street - Joe and Jane Smith of Valley Streat - see a County bng brought back from the brink. They see effort bng made where there was none previously. They understand that the County was not ruined in a day, and it won't be fixed in one ther. If you don't believe me ask the average citizen what they think - not the disgruntled office or contract seeker.
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[In the Know]

Basically he took NYC Managers making $60k and brought them in making $10k. time will tell if they are up to the task. we can always have another tax increase.
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[In the Know]

Previous in the know response wasn't me, but it sounds like a good deal bringing in people making 60k for 10k.

Nassau Law - Your post made me laugh. Well written and I agree with some of the points.

By 2005, Suozzi will have a record, and it will be that Record that determines the election IF the GOP fields a decent candidate. Only one of the Legislators is up for the task - and no its not Peter Schmitt. One or more of the State Senators might be able to make a race of it. O'Shea IF he wins in 2003 has to be a long shot, but rumor has it that he thinks he can win. (Rumor also has it, that O'Shea thinks he can be elected President of the United States and King of Siam, but that's another post).

I personally think that the Suozzi Record already shows promise, and that by 2005, it will be a record that we can all be proud of.
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[Tonyrogers]

Dems keep the majority if and only if they can prove that the 19.4% incrase was necessary without consolidations in the County. If the economy sinks, the incumbents will be blamed. The average citizen is not sure of what is going on.

[In the Know]

Suozzi is no dope, nor are the Dems in the Legislature. The $250 tax increase (the one you say is 19.4%) goes entirely to paying off Gulotta Debt. Not for jobs or programs, but to pay down debt which never should have been incurred in the first place. The electorate isn't stupid ther, and they know what Gulotta and his minions did to the County and they desperately want it fixed.

Suozzi's ability to keep the streets free of snow with a greatly reduced workforce, will have more to do with his bng reelected than a $250 tax increase.
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[In the Know]

Not all Legislation has to relate to the budget. Both measures were well intentioned - probably not necessary. Do I think they are great laws - not particularly, but then again I didn't like the cell phone law ther.

BTW - Fordham ain't that "most excellent". He woulda been bedda off going to St. Johns, like me.
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[Inforteck]

Did you know "In the Know" that I had to call the county exec's office today to obtain a telephone number as to where a resident could obtain a senior citizen home improvement loan as they cover village residents and a very nice young man answered the phone however and that is a BIG HOWEVER he didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about so I explained it again and he said maybe one of the deputy exec's could answer it for me - he was very sorry but he really didn't know - so I then made it plainer "what is the telephone number for housing?" I guess that rang a bell and he came up with a number -
Do you think he was one of the better qualified people from the city or one from LI - I doubt it would be from here because most people know what the housing department means - oh well I just wanted to through that little bit of information out to you and the rest of the posters - I guess it is time to change the guard!

[nassaulaw]

you're Ok.... for a Vincentian. I prefer the Jesuits myself, and like Mr. Suozzi, I too graduated from the best REAL Jesuit Law School in the Country, although my politics are closer to another famous Fordham Alumni, George Gordon Liddy, my all time hero, than Mr. Suozzi. Now do you know who I am? That should have cinched it. Shocked?

In the Know, I do not hold you or the administration personally responsible for minor customer service issues, such as the one raised by Infortek. The old regime had plenty of not so nice people who lacked knowledge. This kid tried to help people. He sounds ok. If 75% of the people hired by Suozzi turn out to be well intentioned and helpful on a customer service level, thr job knowledge will only improve with time.
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[Inforteck]

Well as far as I am concerned St. John's is the best - and yes the young man will learn with time but my question was do you think he is from the city or LI -
and guess what I don't know who you are if In the Know does maybe he should share it with all of us -
As I stated before I am a senior citizen and when I worked I was always taught to say "I am not sure on that number let me check for you" and call a supervisor real fast and then get back on the phone with the consumer and give them the information that they were looking for - it is all in the presentation - have a good night - and a blessed holiday

[nassaulaw]

I have a running gag with In the Know where I opine about her identity, because I believe that SHE is someone I may actually know in real time.... although in real time the person who I believe is "In the Know" does not particularly like or trust me. It's too bad, because the more she posts, the more I like what she has to say, even when I disagree with her. But her instincts and preferences are similar to mine. And if she is the person I think she is, it is too bad we never had an honest conversation about government. We were both impoverished by this. But I could be wrong. I often am.

I think the young man you spoke to is a local. Most of the "City Folk" are senior managers or professionals, like Deputy County Attorneys.
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[In the Know]

Typically people who answer the phones are CSEA and are holdovers. Even in the County Execs office Sounds to me like the question was complicated, and the person was attempting to identify the right INDIVIDUAL. If you wanted a Department, you should have said so.

To nassaulaw. I am not a she, nor am I St. Johns grad, nor do I work in the County Attorney's office. (I think I may have said too much). But boy do I have you fooled.
Go Rams.
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[nassaulaw]

Guess I am wrong then. I thought I had it pegged. Besides, I thought your last post said you were a St. Johns person.
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[In the Know]

My prior post did say that I was a St. Johns grad, but it was part of the joke just like the slang that I used. No - I slept through fogelman's class, just like you, Tom and Charlie O'Shea, but when I went, "the outline" was only a few years old. I heard that they retired "the outline" along with him.
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[gopfan]

You mention the $250 increase like its nothing. To some people that's a lot of money and they will remember it. They will expect to see no reduction in services for that increase. You also say that its specifically for paying down the debt. Is the dept going to decrease because of this tax in addition to what ever would have been paid off normally? If Suozzi is so against borrowing has he stopped borrowing money?

I drove by the outside of the Old Court House it looks nice ( He removed a lot of overgrown trees and bushes) I bet he is going to use it for a before and after shot for his next campaign. I was just wondering what work did not get done someplace else in the county in order for Mr. Suozzi to be able to take that picture.

[dem bones]

It's sad that Suozzi and the Dems had to clean up and restore the Old Court House because the Republicans let it rot. From Nassau Beach to Cantiague Park and beyond, the state Nassau was left in by the Republicans is a crime. All so some connected few can drive Mercedes SUV's and live in Oyster Bay Cove.

AND...in addition to whining about $250.00 in a tax increase (what would the total be if we'd kept up with inflation? Somewhat more I believe.), you can't come up with viable, responsible alternatives.

Nassau Dems keep the majority in the legislature, Suozzi and Wtzman win reelection in 2005. County Assessor and Clerk is the Dems for the taking. The Dems choice of candidates will determine victory or defeat.
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[gopfan]

I thought this topic was on why the NC Democrats will fail. Lets keep to the topic Mr. Dem Bones if you can not contribute then keep silent.

In all honesty its always going to be a difficult battle for them to keep control of the legislature, all it takes is just one seat that should be republican to switch back. What happens when one of them decide to move on? The main thing I can see them doing is redrawing the lines in thr favor that can hurt the GOP.

I agree with your analysis with regard to Murphy and O'Shea but if the republicans decide to run new candidates then they win. In addition Suozzi is going to have a real battle on his hands next time, he has pissed a lot of people off.

[Re: Foggie]

Remain silent...another Republican attempt to hide thr failings. It's not the '80's anymore. Start a "bash the Dems" section on the Republican board if you don't want to hear the truth.

My posts are on-target...reasons why the NC Democrats WON'T fail. Pointing out Republican weaknesses is a valid point for discussion. I will continue to do so.

As for "seng the future" of candidates, nther party has been any good at projecting winners or losers on the county level. Fact is, if you project incumbent re-election, you'll be correct 95% or more of the time and win acclaim by the pundits. 2nd fact, if you don't give the voters an overwhelming reason to change, they won't. That's how Suozzi won (and why he'll win again easily) and why almost anyone can beat O'Shea. Other than that, don't look for a whole lot of change come November.

[gopfan]

I was joking, talk about no sense of humor. I can just imagine how much fun your club meetings are.

It could be that the problem is you think of all republicans as women, children and senior citizen haters, with no morals and since we are not human could not enjoy a little friendly joke.

Your arrogance I think is going to be one of the reasons the NC Dems will fail.

[nassau1]

I agree with you completely. Who the f--- asked this legislature to come in and regulate bars, where us heathens go to have a good time and be "bad?" They've shown, in thr arrogance, that they don't feel that we, as private citizens, are smart enough to make our own decisions concerning where we choose to work and play. Just for that, I would love to see them all go down hard. A bunch of self-righteous bastards egged on by the king of smug, self-righteous bastards - Mayor Michael Doomsberg.
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[dem bones]

The bane of chats and e-mail. Without bng able to see facial expressions, it is difficult to portray humor, irony, sarcasm, etc. on the 'net.

As for considering Repub's hate-mongers :"> , although many of the extreme right are, most NC Repubs are no different from NC Dems. That's why it's so hard to tell them apart.


My flexibility and ability to react positively to new information is a major reason the NC Dems will win. D">
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[SickOfThem]

I would love to see Judy "The Mouth" Jacobs fall on her fat ass, as well as Roger "You're Prejudiced!" Corbin.

[In the Know]

Yes (in tight sweaters)

I don't know what series I used (and updated), but it was in use in the late 70's early 80's - I don't think the cases dated back to 1925.

Tom who? Just kidding. I was before Tom (and Charlie O'Shea too)
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[In the Know]

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[dem bones]

I can't tell. Both parties act the same.

HINT: My bosses aren't going to jail. (OK, bad hint.)
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[EW]

Come on, now, let's not defame Fogie. Whether he was a man of "commendable vigor" or just playing a joke, he was a superb professor.

The outline was a classic. Even more of a classic was the ongoing mockery of the ultimate easy target, Robert Kessler, a/k/a "Big Bird" now gone, may God rest his soul.

I hadn't realized that Suozzi was a Fordham grad, but then he was there a few years after I was. I was there when McLaughlin was Dean, when he laughingly referred to the place as "Joe's Bar."

Go Rams!

[nassaulaw]

It's all praise for Fogelman. Fogelman is a true man. And was part of a great era. Except perhaps for Abramovsky, they do not make Law School Profs like Fogelman anymore.

Far too many of these JD/PHD academics love political correctness. The modern academic even makes Professor Byrne loveable.

Alas, I wish I were a "McLaughlin"/"Crowley" alumni of Fordham. I missed an era of giants. Geez, I wonder what Mr. Crowley would think of Nassau County's current collective bargaining strategies? I guess some other folks my age should have been McLaughlin alumni too. My greatest regret in life was never having studied labor law with Joe Crowley. I only hope that my singular regret is shared by Mr. Suozzi.
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[why the democrats will fa]

Just take a look at how the Dems treat thr own at the Board of Elections. Also, check out the untimely end of the careers of staunch loyalists like Hez Brown and David Fnberg. The Nassau Democrats have no personal or party loyalty. Never in my life have I seen such misanthropic bums.

[Demented]

It apparently has reached the AD leader - zone leader level.

(1) There is no communication from the top.

(2) Absolutely no effort to reach out

(3) Decisions arbitrarily made at the top as to who recves Party designations for candidacies without consulting zone leaders and AD leaders -- even though the so-designated candidates live within thr zones or ADs!

(4) Long-time Democrats don't even recve VOLUNTEER positions on county-sponsored civic commissions!

(5) Bottom line: You can contribute dollars, and time, and it doesn't matter.

[Demented]

Please, the proper way to address Ms. Jacobs is ther Judy "the Hut" or "Jabba" the Jacobs.

[Dr Demento]

Poor babies! You mean to say that the head of the party is making decisions without taking the advice of cronies and wannabe politicos? It sounds as if the County Executive may actually be thinking for himself instead of wanting to be influenced by you patroinage seekers! We shouldn't only clean the streets of Glen Cove and Nassau, we need to clean the government offices also and give the place back to the people!

[Omar from Mineola]

Like Schmoe Lieberman? That'll sink the Party when Lieberman goes bust.

[wild guess]

the dems have failed because they hate suozzi as much as the reps do?