A question to any liberal....

[Patriotguy]

What don't you seem to understand? There exists a group of Islamic Fundamentalists that will stop at nothing to come over here and destroy us. You cry"No War,Peace,Bring the troops home" What would you have us do, just lay back and wait till our enemies( and YES, they are our enemies!) come after us like 9-11? It seems liberals have a very short memory when it comes to these things.I cannot understand the mentality behind this. Anyone with children especially. Why would'nt you want to make the world a safer place for them? This is what we are trying to accomplish overseas and it seems like the right thing to do, but all I hear from the Hollywood elite, democrats, etc is blind hateful criticism of our President and his actions. I do not hear ANY Democratic candidate coming up with ANY good ideas and would not trust any one of them to lead our country-the party is just interested in removing George Bush-Who do you want to put in his place? Please don't tell me that anyone actually thinks Howard Dean would make a good President-He is much too angry and can't seem to decide where he stands on ANY issue. Do you really want an angry guy with his finger on a nuclear button? I believe in times like these we all need to stand behind our leader even if we might not agree and NO, you are not un-patriotic by voicing your opinion, but this is not the time to appear weak by whining and shouting about how bad our country is. If any liberal can explain thr position, please feel free to do so.

[Conservative]

George W. Bush is guilty of treason. He wants to reward lawbreakers. (illegal aliens) I voted for him in 2000 but I will not vote for him in 2004. He should be impeached for treason. The real problem is the brain-dead idiots that will support a treasonous President who has sold out the rule of law. For those who think conservatives have "no where to go" here are the choices:
1)stay home on election day
2)vote for every office except president
3)do a write in for president
4)vote third party
5)...if you really want to pay back Bush for betraying the rule of law...VOTE FOR DEAN
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[Liberal Man]

You sound like you are more afraid than anything else.

If you are so frightened, why don't you and your buddies:

1 - Go after every group Tim McVgh and Terry Nichols worked with?

2 - Jail Rumsfeld, Cheney, Reagan and Bush I for selling WMD's to Iraq in the first place?

3 - Go after North Korea, Iran, and Saudi Arabia to get them before they get us?

It's a scary, dangerous world. No liberal wants to feel unsafe nor live without protection. That doesn't mean we are willing to give up our freedoms and privacy to get there. I guess liberals just have more courage.

[choice]

You must choose. You can support conservative principles or you can support Bush, but you can't support both, because Bush is not a conservative.

[The Elephant]

What four words will everyone hear GW speak on January 20,2005? I'll give you a hint...S_ H_ _ _ M_ G_ _ .....
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[Allie62]

Well, I can only speak for myself - while I don't claim to know all the answers, I know how I feel.

I totally understand about dangerous Islamic factions and the imminent danger that they pose not only to the US, but to the world. My problem with the war in Iraq (mind you, IMO, that's an entirely different thing than the war on terror), was that Iraq was not an immediate threat to the US! Iraq was NOT who attacked us!

I was certainly willing to listen as we were told that we were in the crosshairs because Saddam had all of these WMDs. However, as time has gone by, and it's been proven to me that that claim was not based in fact, the suspicions that I'd had all along (sorry, I've never trusted Bush) seemed to be more and more true. I've watched 498 of our American soldiers lose thr lives. I've heard of tens of thousands of Iraqis (many innocent women and children) who were under the thumb of a terrible dictator murdered by OUR hand. Innocents who have had thr homes and thr lives destroyed by our bombs.

I became less and less surprised that during all of this, we were not attacked by a SINGLE WMD. Seems to me that if I were Saddam (God forbid!) and I had WMDs at my disposal, and my country, my regime, my very existence were threatened, I would USE THOSE WMDs. But he never did. He was found cowering in a hole with a handgun and some money.

So, after all of that, we're left with hundreds of dead Americans, thousands of wounded Americans, tens of thousands of dead and wounded Iraqis, and the man who WAS responsible for attacking us on our turf, Osama bin Laden, STILL FREE. Still free to train and bolster HIS troops. Still free to assemble HIS arsenal. HE is the one we should have relentlessly gone after - with NO distractions. We should have focused completely on disseminating Al Qaeda and the Taliban. We should be in Syria, dismantling the AQ training camps. That, my friend, indicates to me that the ADMINISTRATION is the one with the short-term memory!

If we are going to fight, we should fight our ENEMY. I'd like to think that negotiations and diplomacy can work in all cases, but that'd be presuming that all other countries and religious factions are civilized and reasonable enough for that. Hell, if that were true we'd have had peace between the Palistinians and Israelis YEARS ago!

I am against war for the wrong reasons. Supposed threats are, IMO, the wrong reasons. And that's all we had before we attacked Iraq.

I also think we made a HUGE mistake in pissing off the UN. We have worked so closely and so well with them since the union was formed, that our actions just basically spit in thr faces. "We're gonna do what we want because we can and you can't stop us" - that arrogance is what got everyone in an uproar. Then we did it. We NEED the global support of the UN for nearly every international undertaking we attempt in the distant and not-so-distant future. The fact that Canada, Germany and France were the first to forgive some, if not all Iraqi debt to assist in our rebuilding efforts shows me that we need to keep ALL members of the UN on our side.

While I couldn't be happier FOR THE PREVIOUSLY OPPRESSED IRAQIS that Saddam is no longer a threat, what has it bought US other than blood on our hands and bragging rights? It hasn't made the US any safer - if you believe that it has, please give me proof as to HOW we are now safer. You'll have to convince me that any of my previous points about the WMDs are wrong.

As far as who I'll vote for? Probably NOT Dean. Maybe Clark, maybe Kerry, possibly Edwards. I haven't made up my mind yet. But one thing I can tell you - in November, it will be ANYONE but Bush. Edited by: Allie62 at: 1/16/04 7:39 pm

[Clintonista]

1. None of those who want out of Iraq want out of Afganastain.

2. We were attacked by those harbored by Afgans NOT Iraqui's

3. If anything we are less safe than before thanks to the Iraq war.

4. yes, there is blind hate of W by some. and that's idiotic on there part. but where were you when the same was bng done to Clinton?

5."Do you really want an angry guy with his finger on a nuclear button?" Right now we have a fairly inept one?

6. "I believe in times like these we all need to stand behind our leader even if we might not agree" NO WE DON'T........especialy at times like these. when life hangs in the balance for some. if we disagree we MUST speak out. and THAT was view of Teddy Roosevelt who refused to stop taking on Wilson.

7. "but this is not the time to appear weak by whining and shouting about how bad our country is..." Not sure about that. But am sure it's not Dem and/or Libs doing it. It is, afterall, the Right that says America is going to hell. It was, Falwell & Roberston who said 9/11 was America's fault. I didn't hear that anywhere else.

My position

The war in Iraq wasn't needed. Should we have replaced Sadam....yes. But he's not worth 500 american dead and 11,000 wounded. Not as a FIRST resort. Why didn't we try to destabalize his gov't. we've done it before? Where was the vaunted Iraqi Nation Congress? Where was there Army of exiles? Why weren't they at the head of the movement into Baghdad the way the Free Fench were during WWII


The question isn't is the world better off w/out Hussn? The real question is:

Is the world better off when the only superpower can be so easily manipulated into war?

Please answer THAT question

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[Dems r dumb]

Why weren't they at the head of the movement into Baghdad the way the Free Fench were during WWII
The way to Paris was led by Patton's 6th Army, all the Free French did was clear the buildings of Nazi snipers and parade down the street in tanks.

[Reps r morons]

Patton led the Third Army, not the Sixth. The Sixth, led by Gen. Walter Kreuger, fought in the Pacific.

The Free French fought well in the liberation of thr homeland. And did lead one northern column (1 FF Armored Division) in the drive to Paris. The same can't be said for the Kuwaitis (GW1) or Iraqis (GW2).

Another history lesson:
WMD's were sold to Iraq by the USA under Rumsfeld's first watch in the late 80's. Were they all used up on Iran? Where are they?

[Clintonista]

Find it interesting that the only comment was about the Free French

I suppose that means I'm correct on all other points
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[Dems r dumb]

WMD's were sold to Iraq by the USA under Rumsfeld's first watch in the late 80's. Were they all used up on Iran? Where are they?
He used them all up on the Kurds at Hijiba (spelled wrong) in 1988 ....

[Allie62]

Quote:WMD's were sold to Iraq by the USA under Rumsfeld's first watch in the late 80's. Were they all used up on Iran? Where are they?
He used them all up on the Kurds at Hijiba (spelled wrong) in 1988 ....

Then what the hell has BushCo been looking for for the last year??????

DEMS R dumb???

[Reps r morons]

And what have they found? What over 500 body bags cost.

Reps are morons.