Holtsville

[Just Curious???]

Does anyone know how corrupt the Holtsville Fire District is ???

[Unregisteredwanker]

can we fit the pot up your ass and kick you out?

[Unregisteredertertert]

i hate people trying to get dirt out on these boards fuck off!!!

[Unregistered2457]

Holtsville is soooo corrupt that they even volunteer to go on fire calls, and even ambulance calls too!!! wow for free even at that....real corrupt..imagine what taxes would be if we had a paid service...just compare your Police services to your Fire and Ambulance serviceson your tax bill. Do you really thnk a paid ambulance service is going to treat you and transport you to the hospital for FREE?????? get real, Nassau police Ambulance's will charge you from somewhere between 300.00 to 2,000.00 to go to the hospital, god forbid you need a helicopter. Just take a good look at your tax bill and appreciate the little bit you pay for someone to save you or your family's life for no additional charges, then you can figure out how corrupt Volunteer Fire Departments are.

[holtsville]

Sorry, but you obviously have not seen how the rest of the country and the entire world pretty much works. Paid systems are not only more cost effective, but are held to much higher standards then the no standards policy that department like Holtsville currently have. At the very least, the fact that the head commissioner is sleeping with one of his employees while still being a married man with children is beyond comprehension as to how this individual has not resigned from not only the board, but the department as well. The county has spent tens of thousands of dollars on getting new recruits for membership to volunteer Fire Departments and Ambulace Companies, and yet what do they see when they join ? They see just how far people will go to destry the name and reputation of an organization.
Try to work out your marriage for your family and dont just look for some piece of ASS.

[Unregistered2459]

I guess your wife is that employee??? is this why your disgruntled?????

[Unregisteredok]

The Chairman of the BOFC or head Commissioner as you put it is in fact divorced and it's not a secret who his girlfriend is. Thank you Capt. Obvious

[fsdfdfsdff]

The Chairman of the board has a very, very big ego issue. just the other day i heard that he confronted some members who where mounting a scanner on the wall authority of one of the higher ups. he said something along the lines of these are my walls and you ain't gonna mount shit on them....

[very worried]

Holtsville fire department is a very scary place.... besides the large percentage of incompetency the commissioners believe that they are the chiefs of the place......

[and how]

how does the mechanic get a vehicle to take home........ anybody seen him respond from home at night..... or is the car for him to respond up cr-97 back to his own district???

[canada]

the mechanic who thinks he's the DM :)

[Unregistered4ever]

wait wait wait ... I have one up on you.... What about every piece of apparatus for the the past uhh... Past 10 - 15 years being purchased from the same salesman no matter what company he worked for......

[also worried]

If the people of the district knew the facts of how our commissioner is away this weekend in Baltimore with the person who is suppose to be our paid fist responder, they would flip. Commissioners and officers are suppose to be held to higher standards of conduct. By him being a commisioner, it is a direct conflict of interest by going out with someone whom directly works for him and the board. Not only should he excuss himself from votes on paid people issues, but should directly remove himself from the board and go back to being a firefighter. There is NO WAY that by him being in his position of authority over someone whom he is directly responsible for, can fair and balanced decissions be made with regards to issues concerning the needs that the board is responsible for.
I'm curious, who exactly is paying for her and all her expenses to go to Baltimore and what room is she staying in and who paid for that.
As for Joe's personal life, sorry Joe, your an elected official that must answer to the people of the community whom you serve. Remember, they voted you in and they can vote you out....

[Unregistered on LI]

go back to being a fireman...... HA..... you were sugesting that guy has been on the fire floor before...

[Unregisteredjhldkfjls]

and as for being voted out... I hope that this January that there will be an upset and we can finally get some brothers in there who are for the better of the taxpayer and of course the brothers. All of the guys up there are either has beens or guys who wished they were able of climbing up the ranks (B.L.).

[Unregisterediuup]

Anyone one know the 6th comish???? Or can anyone tell me why the district secretary has to be present at fire conventions? Or how about those bar napkin deals with KME? How funny is it that every rig purchased has some kind of tie with that clown.... the rigs are even purchased after the members clearly state that they are sub par and are manufactured a whole lot better from other companies. It is not like the money isn't there...

[Unregistereddoiugfoadf]

And the biggest crock of shit for today is ............(drum roll)..........How the hell do the commissioners get to wear gold for life...... what did they do that was so important during their stay up there that was deserving of gold??? some of those guys should be disgraced walking around like they deserved it!!

[Unregistered1234]

holtsville is a joke thanks to the chairman and his girlfriend....

[Unregistered111]

so much for the brotherhood of fire fighters. we should ALL be ashamed for acting like a bunch of whiny schollgirls. Remember brothers and sisiters if we can't trust each other who can we?

[Unregistered111]

so much for the brotherhood of fire fighters. we should ALL be ashamed for acting like a bunch of whiny schollgirls. Remember brothers and sisiters if we can't trust each other who can we?

i know i did not spell schoolgirls correctly so save the sarcasm!

[Unregistered753]

Anyone one know the 6th comish???? Or can anyone tell me why the district secretary has to be present at fire conventions? Or how about those bar napkin deals with KME? How funny is it that every rig purchased has some kind of tie with that clown.... the rigs are even purchased after the members clearly state that they are sub par and are manufactured a whole lot better from other companies. It is not like the money isn't there...

the board doesn not listen to the members, they do what they please

[Unregistered9999]

there is a brother hood. I guess you havent been reading the posts. Its the BOFC that are in noway part of any brotherhood.

[whatsnext?]

More juice this all sounds right so far.

[whatsnext?]

donuts in parking lot district vehicle VS. DUI damage to rig and chief car, who gets in more trouble. donuts=kicked out, DUI=suspended, Good job holtsville BOFC. You got that one right.

[To the Village Idiot]

Sorry, but you obviously have not seen how the rest of the country and the entire world pretty much works. Paid systems are not only more cost effective, but are held to much higher standards then the no standards policy that department like Holtsville currently have. At the very least, the fact that the head commissioner is sleeping with one of his employees while still being a married man with children is beyond comprehension as to how this individual has not resigned from not only the board, but the department as well. The county has spent tens of thousands of dollars on getting new recruits for membership to volunteer Fire Departments and Ambulace Companies, and yet what do they see when they join ? They see just how far people will go to destry the name and reputation of an organization.
Try to work out your marriage for your family and dont just look for some piece of ASS.

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Councillors took the drastic step because falling property tax revenues mean they can no longer pay the generous salaries negotiated for firefighters and police officers during the flush years.

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Exorbitant wage deals for its emergency services workers, whose salaries and benefits account for 80 per cent of the annual $89 million budget. The police captain earns more than $300,000 and a sergeant takes home $240,000. The average firefighter earns $171,000 and 10 senior officers were paid more than $200,000 each.

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[people are stupid]

u people need to grow up.. there are members down here who complain about every little thing out there. and i quote " i dont want to go to work" "im hungry" " i need a job" im the queen of this and my dad is an officier so i should be aloud to do what i want. bull she shouldnt be aloud. leave this place if its not going ur way...

[Unregistered999999]

wait.... isnt that last post a complaint? Pot calling the kettle black maybe?

[Like a good fight]

In Holtsville. I want to say if you people do not stop complaining, I will need to stop you. Do you think I cant find out who you are? Think again. Its not difficult.

[Unregistered456]

How funny is it that the district mechanic/district manager works for the company that holstville has bought all it's rigs & equipment from ....talk about corruption!!

[Like a good fight]

What did I JUST tell you?

[Unregistered7245]

u people need to grow up.. there are members down here who complain about every little thing out there. and i quote " i dont want to go to work" "im hungry" " i need a job" im the queen of this and my dad is an officier so i should be aloud to do what i want. bull she shouldnt be aloud. leave this place if its not going ur way...

what about "i dont have to do anything cause my dad is a commissioner"

[Unregistered684]

what about "i dont have to do anything cause my dad is a commissioner"

what about getting out of doing work because my dads a commissioner, or getting brand new black gear as a probie cause my dads a commissioner. lets talk about that

[Unregistered123456781]

his father had nothing to do with getting black gear. his gear was out of protocol. i cant believe u people. and what about the other probies they got new gear too. not just him. the officers were told to get rid of it. and he does alot of work around the firehouse. and does what he is told to do.

[Like a good fight]

It is so simple I can’t for the life of me figure out why someone has not thought of it before. I mean seriously, how can everyone be so obtuse?

JUST GET OUT. Thats right, leave. You do not have to be here right? Clearly, the FD is not what it used to be. It has been ruined by a small amount of dull-witted, cheating, slacking, monkey spunk.

Why choose to spend the time here? If you think about it, maybe most of you are in the description above.

[whatsnext?]

To: Like a good fight, If its so easy who am I? Come talk to me.

[Like a good fight]

I mean really sure??

[whatsnext?]

Do you think I care, I didn't say anything that wasn't true, did I?

[Like a good fight]

I guess you didnt. But i still know who you are. :)

[untouchable]

Everyone of you guys just shut the fuck up. to all the people that do the complaining if you are a member you should just leave and take your problems elsewhere. Things for a while were running smoothly after a certain few chose to resign or be kicked out whatever it was. Now you gotta rag on the younger portion just because they are there more than you or are better than you and it is making you jealous or maybe you are just scared...maybe it is the fact that you think that the younger guys are taking over hmmmm. what is it? enough with the BOFC. if you cant take it leave. they are doing their job. by the look of all the talk going on, it sounds like the people complaining aren't doing theres. thought you guys were experts on brotherhood. guess not!!!

[Unregistered789]

why is it that holtsville dosen't have 24 hr als service to its taxpayers

[Unregistere]

try training instead of pretending to be firemen (young guys)

[Unregistereddg]

why is it that holtsville dosen't have 24 hr als service to its taxpayers

its called volunteers

[untouchable]

oh and also there is this kid Doug i believe he is on probation not too sure last name begins with a g...i dont know.... he doesnt seem like the kind of guy that should be a fireman. heard that he was on probation for like 3yrs. i mean come on. thats more than anyone here in farmingville. it sounds like he couldnt cut it in a real mans volunteer job so he left and now he is back for round two. supposedly he is a do nothing. thinks he is a black shield when he never had one before. thats pathetic

[Like a good fight]

I think i did just different.

Everyone of you guys just shut the fuck up. to all the people that do the complaining if you are a member you should just leave and take your problems elsewhere. Things for a while were running smoothly after a certain few chose to resign or be kicked out whatever it was. Now you gotta rag on the younger portion just because they are there more than you or are better than you and it is making you jealous or maybe you are just scared...maybe it is the fact that you think that the younger guys are taking over hmmmm. what is it? enough with the BOFC. if you cant take it leave. they are doing their job. by the look of all the talk going on, it sounds like the people complaining aren't doing theres. thought you guys were experts on brotherhood. guess not!!!

[Doug0187]

oh and also there is this kid Doug i believe he is on probation not too sure last name begins with a g...i dont know.... he doesnt seem like the kind of guy that should be a fireman. heard that he was on probation for like 3yrs. i mean come on. thats more than anyone here in farmingville. it sounds like he couldnt cut it in a real mans volunteer job so he left and now he is back for round two. supposedly he is a do nothing. thinks he is a black shield when he never had one before. thats pathetic

this is Doug whoever wrote this. your a bitch if u got something to say u know were ill be come say it to my face.

[Like a good fight]

this is Doug whoever wrote this. your a bitch if u got something to say u know were ill be come say it to my face.

You have to admit it though Doug, its all true right?

[Unregistered649]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered789
why is it that holtsville dosen't have 24 hr als service to its taxpayers

its called volunteer

whoever wrote its called voluteer youre an asshole there is what 4 als volunteers and 3 out of 4 or never around figure that out i mean the other 1 has no life and is around a lot but lets be serious 1 als provider for 14 hours a day

[Unregistered09213]

corruption = the bofc trying to run the dept
the chairman and his girlfriend taking over the ems issues
the rest of the board letting it happen
baltimore...

the bofc needs to run the district not the dept, the chiefs and offices are more then capable to run the dept.

[540]

You have to admit it though Doug, its all true right?

like you said doug, he doesnt have the balls to say it it your face, am i right?

[Baltimore]

Is it true that a whole bunch of your guys flew back and forth for 2 or 3 days? As long as they spent the entire time in training seminars I guess it was money well spent!

[Unregistered564534]

Maybe if the ones who are complaining about the younger guys actually stay for the work calls and do there part around here then you can talk but untill then shut the fuck up. Also now seeing that the points have been FINALLY POSTED why havent we done something about the so called members who dont come around much or NOT AT ALL or the ones who come to the alarm 10-15 min after the tones to sign and leave??? Last WHY ARE WE LETTING MEMBERS KIDS RESPOND DOWN WITH US? AND WHY ARE THEY DOWN HERE ALL DAY LONG?? THE KIDS CAN GET HURT IT CAN BE DANGEROUS AT TIMES, DON'T YOU THINK??

[untouchable]

why would i say it to your face when I can just type it for everyone to see. it is not my fault that you are an asshole. if what they say is true about history repeating itself, looks like you wont last

[Unregisteredabc]

like you said doug, he doesnt have the balls to say it it your face, am i right?

your right 540 there all a bunch of dirty twats everyone get a life if you dont like it leave.

[whatsnext?]

Maybe if the ones who are complaining about the younger guys actually stay for the work calls and do there part around here then you can talk but untill then shut the fuck up. Also now seeing that the points have been FINALLY POSTED why havent we done something about the so called members who dont come around much or NOT AT ALL or the ones who come to the alarm 10-15 min after the tones to sign and leave??? Last WHY ARE WE LETTING MEMBERS KIDS RESPOND DOWN WITH US? AND WHY ARE THEY DOWN HERE ALL DAY LONG?? THE KIDS CAN GET HURT IT CAN BE DANGEROUS AT TIMES, DON'T YOU THINK??


Hey younger guy, its your job, not the senior guys they did what you did already and eventually it will be you. But for now learn your rigs so when the officers test you, you don't look like jackass. I know who this is and i have seen you come down 10-15 minutes after the call came over, your a hypocrit.

[Unregistered5678]

how many other depts have paid 24hr als i think it would be wiser to spend taxpayers money on that than a tech rescue team

[jkheuynerhdbcrcyrbcryhbr]

i thought holtsville had a brotherhood? why cant holtsville stop taking shit about each otha and team up as brothers and fight against the people that this bog started out about??????

[Unregistered24682]

Hey younger guy, its your job, not the senior guys they did what you did already and eventually it will be you. But for now learn your rigs so when the officers test you, you don't look like jackass. I know who this is and i have seen you come down 10-15 minutes after the call came over, your a hypocrit.

the problem is guys who have 2 or 3 years in the dept and think there an ex-chief, and how do you know he wasnt coming from further away then you? we all dont spend every waking minute at the fd like some people. and we shouldnt be picking people out individually, we should all be sticking together like a true brotherhood would do and use this forum as it was intended.

[wtf99999]

Someone had said something to be earlier this evening just before leaving for the HFD softball game reguarding the EVOC class. Well to that person I know how to drive safely. I was taught and trained the proper way by someone who knows way more than you will ever know. At least I am not spending my time in the rec room everytime I get the chance drinking instead of maybe responding on some calls. Once you think you know more than me, then come talk to me which will be never. I don't drive like some people do around here, crazy and insane, like you probably would. You better make sure you know what you are doing and know that district before you get behind that wheel.

[wtf99999]

p.s. maybe you should also study your trucks to make sure you know where the equipment is first before drive as well

[Unregistered61846]

Someone had said something to be earlier this evening just before leaving for the HFD softball game reguarding the EVOC class. Well to that person I know how to drive safely. I was taught and trained the proper way by someone who knows way more than you will ever know. At least I am not spending my time in the rec room everytime I get the chance drinking instead of maybe responding on some calls. Once you think you know more than me, then come talk to me which will be never. I don't drive like some people do around here, crazy and insane, like you probably would. You better make sure you know what you are doing and know that district before you get behind that wheel.


again, its a brotherhood, why are you bashing a brother? i thought you were a good kid. thought your father tought you better

[Unregistered787899]

First of all that person does not show up to alarms 10-15 minutes after the alarm. When this person responds he actually shows up to go on the alarm, unlike a select few. This person also does not hang around 24/7 because this person has a life unlike you believe the person does not. We are not talking about the past, we are speaking of now and the issues of today.And I also believe DEPARTMENT TRAINING COMES BEFORE SOFTBALL!!!We are down here to be of service to others not to play little softball games.

[wtf99999]

Well first of all EVOC is not a mandatory class. It is not a prerequisite for any other class given in the county. Second of all the EVOC class was NOT a department training. If it was then only department members would have been open to it. Not anyone outside the dept. Thirdly the softball jerseys say HOLTSVILLE FD on them. Not FARMINGVILLE, not NORTH PATCHOGUE, it says HOLTSVILLE FD so if people want to play softball let them. For a while now the softball schedule was posted or games were mentioned on dates that would conflict with softball. Softball games were set in place before the next months calendar was even out. So officers and chiefs got together and worked around it. What is the big deal. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

[wtf99999]

again, its a brotherhood, why are you bashing a brother? i thought you were a good kid. thought your father tought you better

I am not bashing anyone unless they start with me. I had nothing to say until I heard something specifically directed to me so I fought back. I was taught better by my father, guess someone doesn't know fact from fiction so drop it.

[Unregistered6674]

Hey younger guy, its your job, not the senior guys they did what you did already and eventually it will be you. But for now learn your rigs so when the officers test you, you don't look like jackass. I know who this is and i have seen you come down 10-15 minutes after the call came over, your a hypocrit.


I apoligize let me re-phrase that, I was not speaking of LIFE MEMBERS or ex-Cheifs..I am talking about the ones who think they are above all and don't have to do jackshit around the place beacause of who they think they are. For the Truck issue I think you have the wrong person on this one. On another issue that another person brought up with the softball and adding on it..Why is the department letting members who are in the red more than just once and who are NOT life members(b/c they have earned there right's) keep on playing if they cannot keep there department status up to par?

[Unregistered33489]

Upon reading all these posts I come to one conclusion. If there are this many problems should they not be hashed out in an adult manor during a department meeting! You are all adults - face each other and discuss your issues! Things can never be solved behind a computer screen.

[Unregisteredfrancis]

Upon reading all these posts I come to one conclusion. If there are this many problems should they not be hashed out in an adult manor during a department meeting! You are all adults - face each other and discuss your issues! Things can never be solved behind a computer screen.

This has got to be the most profound statement on this site!
This could be cut and pasted to every single thread on evey forum of this site.

Unregistered33489 I salute you, I have never seen it stated better.

my mother called me francis once.....just once

[llololkdhcuhfrfhru]

hey guys its mike haggerty why are we bashing other department members why cant we just forget who did this and who did that and do the job were here to do so we can all go home at night to our families lets all man up and stop being Nancy's. please guys before this fucking web site tears a great dept apart
thanks
P.S. Be Kool Wrap Your Tool!!!

[Unregistered230]

hey guys its mike haggerty why are we bashing other department members why cant we just forget who did this and who did that and do the job were here to do so we can all go home at night to our families lets all man up and stop being Nancy's. please guys before this fucking web site tears a great dept apart
thanks
P.S. Be Kool Wrap Your Tool!!!

Im Going to have to Agree with Mike on this one aswell. This has gone way to far, it first started out as a general topic which now has gone member against member. Also what another person said If you have something to say do so at the meeting at the right time.

Steve

[keepback200]

I went on this site because someone had mentioned it to me yesterday and made me curious. I thought it would be the usual rederect, but holy shit!! I have never seen so much bitching and back stabbing from grown ass men in my entire life.Listen guys,no one is perfect,and we all have our querks and problems.If we see problems with the department and or the bofc we have to band together and do something.Bitching and moaning will not do it.When I first joined,I heard stories of the brotherhood and comradery there was in Holtsville.I sure as hell don't see it! If you have a problem with an individual,confront him or her. A little communication and understanding goes a long way. I try to get along with everyone and if someone acts like a dick, sure i bitch,but i also confront the person. Instead of working so hard and wasting energy trying to divide this department apart,lets try to get the moral,and the brotherhood going again.Whether youre there all day or when you can at night,we are VOLUNTEERS and all there to do a job!!! peace out brothers and sisters

[mr keepback]

fuck u

[Unregistered8675309]

We should go paid. it was nice to finally have a REAL ALS provider today who knew what the hell they were doing and getting it done right for the patients without needing anyones help. Trust me , Heather gone would be no great loss. it's amazing how the department board allows a single individual to change what time they start because THEY have issues with child care. What happened to serving the community ?'m sure our local leaders would love to here how our Chief Commisioner bends all the rules for him and his girlfriend. Lets see, need I mention Baltimore ? or what happened to Selden with mis use of funds....

[keepback200]

grow up say it to my face

[Unregistered987654]

We should go paid. it was nice to finally have a REAL ALS provider today who knew what the hell they were doing and getting it done right for the patients without needing anyones help. Trust me , Heather gone would be no great loss. it's amazing how the department board allows a single individual to change what time they start because THEY have issues with child care. What happened to serving the community ?'m sure our local leaders would love to here how our Chief Commisioner bends all the rules for him and his girlfriend. Lets see, need I mention Baltimore ? or what happened to Selden with mis use of funds....

Why would we go paid. You would be the only paid department in the county. Even if you were paid you would get minimum wage. That doesn't cut it with gas prices now a days. long island will not nor will it ever be paid. you all bitch and moan about joe and heather joe and heather. wah. deal with it. all the people complaining about them its old. find something else to argue about like for the fact why certain people have been in the red for 3-4 months now and havent been taken care of.i dont kno why everyone keeps complaining about the comm. they are doing their job. it isnt your job to worry about.if you want to worry about it then run for the position at the end of the year. i doubt anyone of you can do any better

[keepback200]

well said

[Unregistered1209]

Why would we go paid. You would be the only paid department in the county. Even if you were paid you would get minimum wage. That doesn't cut it with gas prices now a days. long island will not nor will it ever be paid. you all bitch and moan about joe and heather joe and heather. wah. deal with it. all the people complaining about them its old. find something else to argue about like for the fact why certain people have been in the red for 3-4 months now and havent been taken care of.i dont kno why everyone keeps complaining about the comm. they are doing their job. it isnt your job to worry about.if you want to worry about it then run for the position at the end of the year. i doubt anyone of you can do any better

i see you got your priorities straight, lets throw out a couple members that are in the red and lets keep heather there so she can kill a couple more patients, good job, the taxpayers should be real proud of there bofc

[whatsnext?]

The person who started this thing started it to show how the BOFC are operating. All the members that are on here is using it to bash each other, you are just being stupid. Whoever stated the BOFC are doing there job is correct, but they are also trying to do everyone elses job, including the chiefs, officers and members, oh wait they are members if you believe that. Get back to the original topic and stop hurting our "BROTHERHOOD" As for you on the BOFC,(especially you ex-chiefs), you should be ashamed of yourselves for going over the head of a Chief of departments decisions.

[Unregistered ha ha ha]

i see you got your priorities straight, lets throw out a couple members that are in the red and lets keep heather there so she can kill a couple more patients, good job, the taxpayers should be real proud of there bofc

i believe she never killed anyone so why would u even say that there is no reason to keep going on and on about her and joe. if u have something to say like that tell her face to face. im sure she would to hear u say something like that. do u know after hearing that what u might be stepping in if she finds out. just leave them alone and they will leave u alone. u complain everday about them do something else. complain ur mom and dad. not at the firehouse. grow up.

[Unregistered987654]

The person who started this thing started it to show how the BOFC are operating. All the members that are on here is using it to bash each other, you are just being stupid. Whoever stated the BOFC are doing there job is correct, but they are also trying to do everyone elses job, including the chiefs, officers and members, oh wait they are members if you believe that. Get back to the original topic and stop hurting our "BROTHERHOOD" As for you on the BOFC,(especially you ex-chiefs), you should be ashamed of yourselves for going over the head of a Chief of departments decisions.

You want to know why you think the BOFC are doing everyones job. It is because everyone doesn't do their job. Someone has to do something so they did. If it doesn't effect you than dont worry about it. You aren't making the decisions so shut up. If you are so smart and think you can do the job better then run for commissioner next yr.

[Unregisteredasdfghjkl]

You have to admit it though Doug, its all true right?

he isn't much of a fireman .... just a product of Holtsville's notorious incompetency....

[Unregisteredqwerty]

Well first of all EVOC is not a mandatory class. It is not a prerequisite for any other class given in the county. Second of all the EVOC class was NOT a department training. If it was then only department members would have been open to it. Not anyone outside the dept. Thirdly the softball jerseys say HOLTSVILLE FD on them. Not FARMINGVILLE, not NORTH PATCHOGUE, it says HOLTSVILLE FD so if people want to play softball let them. For a while now the softball schedule was posted or games were mentioned on dates that would conflict with softball. Softball games were set in place before the next months calendar was even out. So officers and chiefs got together and worked around it. What is the big deal. Get your facts straight before you open your mouth.

yeah you're right EVOC isn't mandatory .... and if you can fly an airplane then driving a fire truck is a piece of cake..... and seriously EVOC next they are going to make you take FF1 or something stupid like that...

[Unregisteredqwertyu]

It is about time the Holtsville Fire Department got off their asses and started 24/7 Paid ALS.. It is what most departments are doing. There are many reasons for doing it.... NO guarantee on a volunteer response, if joe volunteer decides that drain babies are more important than getting out on an ALS job then he is entitled to stay home and make baby batter. It is ridiculous to not have a guarantee that 24/7 someone intelligent will be at my doorstep in a few minutes rather than 10 or 12 from the time the 911 call is placed!!!

time = tissue death and you might as well leave a patient who has been without O2 for more than 10 minutes because they will end up a vegetable anyway..

Maybe if we could back on the nonsense stuff like sending the district secretary to conventions, or hiring high priced attorneys to prosecute our own members, or maintaining a tech rescue team full of pre schoolers, or building a fucking storage shed for a piece of apparatus that will rot back there, or a fucking 20,000 dollar digital sign for the front, or a towable grill, or fixing our repair prone KME ladder truck that only has highway miles on it because it has spent the majority of its life going back and forth to Pennsylvania , or pizza and heros at the commissioners very stressful practice sessions, or some good ol boy to paint a stairwell then repaint it again for a few grand because the color wasn't liked, or fuel for the DM to go play chief up north in our car, and drum roll please............. the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars the extremely useful ...... 5-11-2... hahaha what a piece if only every taxpayer knew how useful that is , with its ergonomic joystick for point and shoot operation of a bumper mounted deck gun or my favorite the ground sprayers... I wonder how many steak dinners where had on the duncan dime to sign for that thing .... I wonder what sales approach he took to sell those fools..... well what ever it was it worked because it now resides in holtsville with its brother and sister misfit apparatus..


yup cut out all that shit and maybe we can afford the salary of few paid ems proffesionals...

[olfaithful]

It is about time the Holtsville Fire Department got off their asses and started 24/7 Paid ALS.. It is what most departments are doing. There are many reasons for doing it.... NO guarantee on a volunteer response, if joe volunteer decides that drain babies are more important than getting out on an ALS job then he is entitled to stay home and make baby batter. It is ridiculous to not have a guarantee that 24/7 someone intelligent will be at my doorstep in a few minutes rather than 10 or 12 from the time the 911 call is placed!!!

time = tissue death and you might as well leave a patient who has been without O2 for more than 10 minutes because they will end up a vegetable anyway..

Maybe if we could back on the nonsense stuff like sending the district secretary to conventions, or hiring high priced attorneys to prosecute our own members, or maintaining a tech rescue team full of pre schoolers, or building a fucking storage shed for a piece of apparatus that will rot back there, or a fucking 20,000 dollar digital sign for the front, or a towable grill, or fixing our repair prone KME ladder truck that only has highway miles on it because it has spent the majority of its life going back and forth to Pennsylvania , or pizza and heros at the commissioners very stressful practice sessions, or some good ol boy to paint a stairwell then repaint it again for a few grand because the color wasn't liked, or fuel for the DM to go play chief up north in our car, and drum roll please............. the biggest waste of taxpayer dollars the extremely useful ...... 5-11-2... hahaha what a piece if only every taxpayer knew how useful that is , with its ergonomic joystick for point and shoot operation of a bumper mounted deck gun or my favorite the ground sprayers... I wonder how many steak dinners where had on the duncan dime to sign for that thing .... I wonder what sales approach he took to sell those fools..... well what ever it was it worked because it now resides in holtsville with its brother and sister misfit apparatus..


yup cut out all that shit and maybe we can afford the salary of few paid ems proffesionals...


Maybe someone has to get their facts straight about the trucks. You may think that the ladder truck only has highway miles on it but when in fact it has gone on more calls since they had gotten it in 97 before you were even a member.what would you have done instead lets see what you got and i could prob overrule your ideas?

[Unregistereddodad]

You want to know why you think the BOFC are doing everyones job. It is because everyone doesn't do their job. Someone has to do something so they did. If it doesn't effect you than dont worry about it. You aren't making the decisions so shut up. If you are so smart and think you can do the job better then run for commissioner next yr.

So what you are saying is the only people that do anything is the commisioners, you are out of your mind! What you are saying is that the chiefs and officers and members are not doing there jobs. This must be a board member, because a member would not make a statement like this,and everyone in the department should read your post and see how the board feels about the department. Everything the board does, effects the department, so I will worry about it. I do think I can do a better job so I did try to run for commissioner and it didn't work out, maybe next time. I will never shut up!

[Unregistereddfgdg]

amen brother

[Unregisteredjerry]

Maybe someone has to get their facts straight about the trucks. You may think that the ladder truck only has highway miles on it but when in fact it has gone on more calls since they had gotten it in 97 before you were even a member.what would you have done instead lets see what you got and i could prob overrule your ideas?

guy don't sit here and tell me that 7 is in tip top condition ... that thing is a piece..... and we do not need an ariel device like that. The Holtsville community would be better served by a rear mount straight stick. most of our fires have and will be one and two story private dwellings. structures that do not require a monstrosity such as that. it is just another piece of KME junk that we got...... or should i say the board got suckered into buying because they lack the experience in spec-ing useful apparatus.. also why the hell do we need a pump and water tank on a "truck".. with a bed of 5 inch.... i am sorry sir maybe you can justify that piece, and i know that if you do, you obviously do not have a clue.. on a side note how many people who are qualified ( and I use that term loosely) actually come down and drive it out on alarms




..... and who said i haven't been around since before 97

[Unregistered2754]

So what you are saying is the only people that do anything is the commisioners, you are out of your mind! What you are saying is that the chiefs and officers and members are not doing there jobs. This must be a board member, because a member would not make a statement like this,and everyone in the department should read your post and see how the board feels about the department. Everything the board does, effects the department, so I will worry about it. I do think I can do a better job so I did try to run for commissioner and it didn't work out, maybe next time. I will never shut up!

dude the commissioners do their job. so does everyone else. you probably misunderstoode what that person was trying to say. sometimes the chiefs and officers dont make decisions in certain situations that is why the bofc step in and get it done. jgifd

[Unregistered222777]

[QUOTE=Unregisteredjerry;218394]guy don't sit here and tell me that 7 is in tip top condition ... that thing is a piece..... and we do not need an ariel device like that. The Holtsville community would be better served by a rear mount straight stick. most of our fires have and will be one and two story private dwellings. structures that do not require a monstrosity such as that. it is just another piece of KME junk that we got...... or should i say the board got suckered into buying because they lack the experience in spec-ing useful apparatus.. also why the hell do we need a pump and water tank on a "truck".. with a bed of 5 inch.... i am sorry sir maybe you can justify that piece, and i know that if you do, you obviously do not have a clue.. on a side note how many people who are qualified ( and I use that term loosely) actually come down and drive it out on alarms

i never said that 7 wasn't in tip top condition.....when they got it it had already seen a few large fires. let me tell you about the sticks and the negatives about them what purpose will they serve if somethin like that is first due. considering manpower during the day it is a waste. you show up to a working fire with that you are at a dead end. for example you are light crew during the day. you need a search team and hose team typically that is how we train right? now the fire gets out of hand and you have to go to an exterior attack. now you have changed everything. the truck now has to be leveled and in order to do that taken out of pump leveled and then put back into pump and back into operation. by that time you might as well let the fire burn itself out. also supposing we do get that one commercial job and the 75 foot stick doesnt reach now you have to mutual aid a bigger ladder to the scene waste of time again. oh and dont say that we would get a 100 footer because you might as well put that bucket back on the end of it. the water tank serves as filling the pipe while they set up for a water operation. dont you know anything. if 7 was higher up in the resonse order maybe it would get out more. dont forget we only get to either 1st due or 2nd due and then the alarm is either put under control. sometimes we just get cancelled they seriously need to move things around in that order. oh and the 97 thing was just a random guess because that is what it sounds like

[Unregisteredpez]

[QUOTE=Unregisteredjerry;218394]guy don't sit here and tell me that 7 is in tip top condition ... that thing is a piece..... and we do not need an ariel device like that. The Holtsville community would be better served by a rear mount straight stick. most of our fires have and will be one and two story private dwellings. structures that do not require a monstrosity such as that. it is just another piece of KME junk that we got...... or should i say the board got suckered into buying because they lack the experience in spec-ing useful apparatus.. also why the hell do we need a pump and water tank on a "truck".. with a bed of 5 inch.... i am sorry sir maybe you can justify that piece, and i know that if you do, you obviously do not have a clue.. on a side note how many people who are qualified ( and I use that term loosely) actually come down and drive it out on alarms

i never said that 7 wasn't in tip top condition.....when they got it it had already seen a few large fires. let me tell you about the sticks and the negatives about them what purpose will they serve if somethin like that is first due. considering manpower during the day it is a waste. you show up to a working fire with that you are at a dead end. for example you are light crew during the day. you need a search team and hose team typically that is how we train right? now the fire gets out of hand and you have to go to an exterior attack. now you have changed everything. the truck now has to be leveled and in order to do that taken out of pump leveled and then put back into pump and back into operation. by that time you might as well let the fire burn itself out. also supposing we do get that one commercial job and the 75 foot stick doesnt reach now you have to mutual aid a bigger ladder to the scene waste of time again. oh and dont say that we would get a 100 footer because you might as well put that bucket back on the end of it. the water tank serves as filling the pipe while they set up for a water operation. dont you know anything. if 7 was higher up in the resonse order maybe it would get out more. dont forget we only get to either 1st due or 2nd due and then the alarm is either put under control. sometimes we just get cancelled they seriously need to move things around in that order. oh and the 97 thing was just a random guess because that is what it sounds like


that thing should not be rolling out during the day with a light crew...... let engines do engine work and trucks theirs....... if you have that light of a crew maybe you should search off the line............ how many commercial fires do we go to ????? I can only think of a few commercial buildings that are over 75-100 ft .... 24 another boat .... oh and by the way with the inexperienced children around during the day and the slow response times we have , the house will be done already

[Unregisteredjerry]

dude the commissioners do their job. so does everyone else. you probably misunderstoode what that person was trying to say. sometimes the chiefs and officers dont make decisions in certain situations that is why the bofc step in and get it done. jgifd

hahaha must be either the child of a board member or someone who has had their head so far up their ass for the past few years they haven't seen what has happened to that place over the past few years...

[Unregisteredwho]

dude the commissioners do their job. so does everyone else. you probably misunderstoode what that person was trying to say. sometimes the chiefs and officers dont make decisions in certain situations that is why the bofc step in and get it done. jgifd

Name one, I am curious?

[Unregistered2754]

Name one, I am curious?

i can name 5

[Unregistered8799999541]

[QUOTE=Unregistered222777;218408]


that thing should not be rolling out during the day with a light crew...... let engines do engine work and trucks theirs....... if you have that light of a crew maybe you should search off the line............ how many commercial fires do we go to ????? I can only think of a few commercial buildings that are over 75-100 ft .... 24 another boat .... oh and by the way with the inexperienced children around during the day and the slow response times we have , the house will be done already

inexperienced my ass....how many times do we get mutual aided to jobs where only the young "inexperienced" children show up. All the time as a matter of fact...also 24ing another truck is a waste of time.

[Unregisteredwho]

i can name 5

Go ahead.

[Unregisteredyo]

[QUOTE=Unregisteredpez;218410]

inexperienced my ass....how many times do we get mutual aided to jobs where only the young "inexperienced" children show up. All the time as a matter of fact...also 24ing another truck is a waste of time.

yeah you're right brother. Your two or three years Holtsville experience really got you involved in some serious fire duty. Oh, and all those 24's where you guys show up and sit there, or show up and it is a surround and drown operation really gave you all of your "experience". Lastly, 24ing another truck is not a waste of time if you are shorthanded with a bunch of kids, unless that is the department you 24 sends the same incompetent children. Do ourself a favor "brother" stay on the ambulance... or 2 for that matter.....

[Unregistered9654]

take back the firehouse from bofc, get some oficers that will not be puppets ,stop talking about it and do it . It should have been done already.

[Unregisteredjerry]

take back the firehouse from bofc, get some oficers that will not be puppets ,stop talking about it and do it . It should have been done already.

amen brother

[Unregistereddodad]

You don't want to name one of those times the BOFC had to make a decision that the chief didn't or you can't name one. Stay up there we don't need you to run the FD. We will call you when we want to buy another KME(keeping mechanics employed)

[UnregisteredBOFCfighter]

Hey BOFC, do you know what Sole Source Procurement is, of course you do.

[Unregistered12423252]

This is an embarrassment and all of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Any department issues should be just that--department issues. Any conflict between department and BOFC should be resolved--behind closed doors. Any conflict between individuals addressed member to member. Every lifer, ex-chief or long term member, don't forget you were new once too. To the "children", you are the future of the place, but still have a lot to learn, so embrace those who are willing to guide you, and don't bad mouth those who forgot where they once were. Most of all, be proud of what you are doing and do NOT fall into this ridiculous child-like behavior. No, the volunteer system is not perfect, and never will be, but this is what we have and that is why it is even more important to work out problems internally, without this backstabbing bullshit that does nothing but make us all look like morons who are deserving of demeaning volunteer comments. All we can do is be our best.
Colleen

[keepback200]

amen sister! well said

[Unregistered357]

[QUOTE=Unregistered8799999541;218501]

yeah you're right brother. Your two or three years Holtsville experience really got you involved in some serious fire duty. Oh, and all those 24's where you guys show up and sit there, or show up and it is a surround and drown operation really gave you all of your "experience". Lastly, 24ing another truck is not a waste of time if you are shorthanded with a bunch of kids, unless that is the department you 24 sends the same incompetent children. Do ourself a favor "brother" stay on the ambulance... or 2 for that matter.....

this coming from a washed up guy that doesnt make the rigs anymore, have we had any problems on calls because of the so called "children"? dont think so

[Unregisteredyes]

How about burning up saw motors because someone does not know what kind of gas to put in a saw, and tells other people the wrong information. That could cause a big problem when you need to use it. And I would never use a name.

[UnregisteredVFD]

Sorry, but you obviously have not seen how the rest of the country and the entire world pretty much works. Paid systems are not only more cost effective, but are held to much higher standards then the no standards policy that department like Holtsville currently have. At the very least, the fact that the head commissioner is sleeping with one of his employees while still being a married man with children is beyond comprehension as to how this individual has not resigned from not only the board, but the department as well. The county has spent tens of thousands of dollars on getting new recruits for membership to volunteer Fire Departments and Ambulace Companies, and yet what do they see when they join ? They see just how far people will go to destry the name and reputation of an organization.
Try to work out your marriage for your family and dont just look for some piece of ASS.

WRONG again 85% of the US is served by volunteer FD, and that number increases by 5-10% wordwide. Look it up if you can read.

[Unregistered??]

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[Unregistered222]

Me 2

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[UnregisteredNOSEY]

Noseybody

[Unregisteredha]

What about that time a commissioner took a knife to the back of his bunker jacket just so he could get a new coat....

[Unregistered134]

Colleen, your one to talk, lets not forget the days of who fooled around with who when you were in Farmingville. You seem to have a very short memory for airing dirty laundry.

[canada]

ask Howard he's the expert ......you know chief,emt, mechanic, kme sales, tnt sales etc.

[Unregistered1456]

We should go paid. it was nice to finally have a REAL ALS provider today who knew what the hell they were doing and getting it done right for the patients without needing anyones help. Trust me , Heather gone would be no great loss. it's amazing how the department board allows a single individual to change what time they start because THEY have issues with child care. What happened to serving the community ?'m sure our local leaders would love to here how our Chief Commisioner bends all the rules for him and his girlfriend. Lets see, need I mention Baltimore ? or what happened to Selden with mis use of funds....

I agree paid providers and commissioners shouldn't date or cuddle in the fire house. or the paid responder going to her bosses house while on the clock, Im sure the taxpayers would love to know that they pay for her pleasure

[Unregistered1456]

I agree paid providers and commissioners shouldn't date or cuddle in the fire house. or the paid responder going to her bosses house while on the clock, Im sure the taxpayers would love to know that they pay for her pleasure

And does everyone know how she got pregnant by her boss also.. I wonder is that how she got the job in the first place.. but its ok its in her history

[Unregisteredforjustice]

After reading on and on about all these alleged wrong's committed by the Holtsville Commissioners I am concerned. But in the interest of justice (to the tax payer) and fairness to these publicly elected officials these allegations should be brought to the attention of the nys attorney general's office for investigation. I urge those of you who have information to bring it to the attention of the proper authorities as I feel I must, having read this page. Everyone is accountable.

[Unregistered0987654321]

not only is chairman of the board dating the first responder. he covers up for her neglect. she allowed expired meds to go out on the ambulance and the board is not doing anything about it. she is going to kill somebody.