Islandwide FD Scandal, Sex, Drugs & Drinikng

[The Real Deal NOW]

SORRY TO HAVE TRICKED YOU BUT I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT THREADS BASED ON RUMOR AND INSULTS HAVE GOTTEN OVER 100,000 VIEWS WHILE A THREAD ON A SUBJECT THAT COULD BENEFIT EVERY FIREFIGHTER ON LONG ISLAND AND NYS GETS IGNORED. AND WE WONDER WHY THE VOLUNTEER IS A DYING BREED. WE'RE KILLING OURSELVES HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP US.

READ BELOW AND CONTACT THE GOV'S OFFICE AND TELL HIM TO SIGN THIS BILL. IT COSTS THE TAXPAYER NOTHING AND WILL HELP SO MANY BROTHER AND SISTER FIREFIGHTERS.

Fellow Firefighters of NYS:

I am pleased to tell you that earlier this week, the New York State Legislature passed a key piece of legislation initiated and strongly backed by FASNY – one that makes the 100,000 volunteer firefighters and 30,000 volunteer EMS personnel statewide eligible to purchase low-cost health insurance using their own funds.

This bill marks the latest step FASNY has taken toward addressing the dual challenges of recruitment and retention. The health insurance bills, formally known as Assembly bill A7699 (sponsored by Assembly Member RoAnn Destito) and Senate bill S4617 (sponsored by Senator James Seward), now go to the Governor’s desk to be signed.

Allowing potential and existing volunteers the opportunity to buy the same insurance coverage as their municipal counterparts will serve as a strong incentive for these men and women to join – and, more importantly, stay with – their local fire departments. This in turn will keep our communities stronger and safer. It should also be noted that this new law will not cost the state or local governments anything, since volunteers would be using their own funds to purchase coverage.

FASNY strongly believes that Governor Paterson will do the right thing and sign the bill into law.

“Volunteer firefighters are critical to public health and safety,” said Assembly Member Destito. “New York State and local governments should recognize and reward the critical role emergency service volunteers play in the community by granting them the option of joining the same low-cost health care plans municipal employees are allowed to join.”

We urge the membership of FASNY to let Governor Paterson know how important this bill is to the volunteer fire service and to the communities we serve. Please call the Governor’s Office at (518) 474-8390 or visit www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html to send him an email. Together, we can ensure that this important bill is signed into law.

[Uninsured]

that was awesome

[Before Its To late]

SORRY TO HAVE TRICKED YOU BUT I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THAT THREADS BASED ON RUMOR AND INSULTS HAVE GOTTEN OVER 100,000 VIEWS WHILE A THREAD ON A SUBJECT THAT COULD BENEFIT EVERY FIREFIGHTER ON LONG ISLAND AND NYS GETS IGNORED. AND WE WONDER WHY THE VOLUNTEER IS A DYING BREED. WE'RE KILLING OURSELVES HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP US.

READ BELOW AND CONTACT THE GOV'S OFFICE AND TELL HIM TO SIGN THIS BILL. IT COSTS THE TAXPAYER NOTHING AND WILL HELP SO MANY BROTHER AND SISTER FIREFIGHTERS.

Fellow Firefighters of NYS:

I am pleased to tell you that earlier this week, the New York State Legislature passed a key piece of legislation initiated and strongly backed by FASNY – one that makes the 100,000 volunteer firefighters and 30,000 volunteer EMS personnel statewide eligible to purchase low-cost health insurance using their own funds.

This bill marks the latest step FASNY has taken toward addressing the dual challenges of recruitment and retention. The health insurance bills, formally known as Assembly bill A7699 (sponsored by Assembly Member RoAnn Destito) and Senate bill S4617 (sponsored by Senator James Seward), now go to the Governor’s desk to be signed.

Allowing potential and existing volunteers the opportunity to buy the same insurance coverage as their municipal counterparts will serve as a strong incentive for these men and women to join – and, more importantly, stay with – their local fire departments. This in turn will keep our communities stronger and safer. It should also be noted that this new law will not cost the state or local governments anything, since volunteers would be using their own funds to purchase coverage.

FASNY strongly believes that Governor Paterson will do the right thing and sign the bill into law.

“Volunteer firefighters are critical to public health and safety,” said Assembly Member Destito. “New York State and local governments should recognize and reward the critical role emergency service volunteers play in the community by granting them the option of joining the same low-cost health care plans municipal employees are allowed to join.”

We urge the membership of FASNY to let Governor Paterson know how important this bill is to the volunteer fire service and to the communities we serve. Please call the Governor’s Office at (518) 474-8390 or visit www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html to send him an email. Together, we can ensure that this important bill is signed into law.

come on people contact the governor now....

[typicalstupidvolley]

Typical volley....wants more hand outs and discounts. Give me a freakin break! How about you get a job with real benefits before you worry about volunteering!

[Typical Idiot]

Typical volley....wants more hand outs and discounts. Give me a freakin break! How about you get a job with real benefits before you worry about volunteering!

What's wrong with this?

1- the low cost insurance is being paid for by the member there is no free hand out, it will still cost us

2- it will go along way towards recruitment and retention

3- try reading you knuckle dragging dolt, health care inthis country is a huge public issue. isn't it better to get people to volunteer to fight fires for free then to just give away health care paid for by your tax dollars to people who do nohting

4- by adding the Vollies to the State plan at even at their own expense it will improve the states purchasing power and negotiating position with the insurance carriers, resulting in lower rates and therefore lower taxes

5- even the insurance companies will make money

And here's a tip for you on a personal note, in your case it is better that you remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt...

[GIVE ME A BREAK JAKE]

[QUOTE=Typical Idiot;213705]What's wrong with this?

1- the low cost insurance is being paid for by the member there is no free hand out, it will still cost us

2- it will go along way towards recruitment and retention

3- try reading you knuckle dragging dolt, health care inthis country is a huge public issue. isn't it better to get people to volunteer to fight fires for free then to just give away health care paid for by your tax dollars to people who do nohting

4- by adding the Vollies to the State plan at even at their own expense it will improve the states purchasing power and negotiating position with the insurance carriers, resulting in lower rates and therefore lower taxes

5- even the insurance companies will make money

THIS GUYS RIGHT. THIS IS FOR US AND BENEFITS EVERYONE. WE KEEP COMPLAINING THAT NO ONE CARES. HERE'S A BILL THAT WILL HELP ALL FIREFIGTHERS IF THEY NEED IT AND NONE OF US GIVE A DARN.

COME ON LOG IN TO THE GOV'S WEB SITE AND SEND HIM A NOTE

[askyourdoctor]

Typical volley....wants more hand outs and discounts. Give me a freakin break! How about you get a job with real benefits before you worry about volunteering!

They are going to pay for it themselves. What are you jealous? (sp?)
How about you quit bitching and figure out how if the middle aged on Long Island with JOBS, can't afford to live here and youngsters are leaving in droves to cheaper states. Who is going to volunteer? I speak for myself, but I am starting to feel my age and am not as active as I once was. I have insurance and a house and pay taxes. These kids can't even get in the game with costs here, it's going to be a ghost town if we can't keep some of them here. And crunch all the numbers and waste you want, a paid system or even a combo system would cost so much at this point in the economy ot would start a revolution...

[Unregistered 666]

They are going to pay for it themselves. What are you jealous? (sp?)
How about you quit bitching and figure out how if the middle aged on Long Island with JOBS, can't afford to live here and youngsters are leaving in droves to cheaper states. Who is going to volunteer? I speak for myself, but I am starting to feel my age and am not as active as I once was. I have insurance and a house and pay taxes. These kids can't even get in the game with costs here, it's going to be a ghost town if we can't keep some of them here. And crunch all the numbers and waste you want, a paid system or even a combo system would cost so much at this point in the economy ot would start a revolution...

Tru Dat Brother.... Well said.

[Unregisteredadz]

[QUOTE=Typical Idiot;213705]What's wrong with this?

1- the low cost insurance is being paid for by the member there is no free hand out, it will still cost us

2- it will go along way towards recruitment and retention

3- try reading you knuckle dragging dolt, health care inthis country is a huge public issue. isn't it better to get people to volunteer to fight fires for free then to just give away health care paid for by your tax dollars to people who do nohting

4- by adding the Vollies to the State plan at even at their own expense it will improve the states purchasing power and negotiating position with the insurance carriers, resulting in lower rates and therefore lower taxes

5- even the insurance companies will make money

THIS GUYS RIGHT. THIS IS FOR US AND BENEFITS EVERYONE. WE KEEP COMPLAINING THAT NO ONE CARES. HERE'S A BILL THAT WILL HELP ALL FIREFIGTHERS IF THEY NEED IT AND NONE OF US GIVE A DARN.

COME ON LOG IN TO THE GOV'S WEB SITE AND SEND HIM A NOTE

a note? How on Earth will he read it??

How about that w babylon fire perp raping those young girls??

[Unregistered Tru Kim]

[QUOTE=GIVE ME A BREAK JAKE;213923]

a note? How on Earth will he read it??

How about that w babylon fire perp raping those young girls??

I think he get's his medical benefits from the FDNY, if that was a shot at the Vollies.

Annunziata, an FDNY firefighter since 2003, appeared with his fiancée in Suffolk County 1st District Court in Central Islip Tuesday. He has been out on $25,000 bail since pleading not guilty Thursday to third-degree, or statutory, rape.

A former city cop, Annunziata lives with his parents and was recently engaged. He has been suspended from the FDNY and the volunteer fire department in West Babylon.

[let's Go People]

Come on you people read and contact the GOV

[Unregistered FD 5645]

Not against them, serve and have served them in executive postions. But put two of them in a sealed closet with three stainless steel ball bearings. Open the door in twenty minutes, one bearing will be lost, another broken and the the third square some how. Amd nobody will tell you how it happened.

Not a bash, not against the guys and gals, just have the experience.

It's up to the Chief's to push them to email and make this happen. Make it a drill.

[Tru Dat Man]

Not against them, serve and have served them in executive postions. But put two of them in a sealed closet with three stainless steel ball bearings. Open the door in twenty minutes, one bearing will be lost, another broken and the the third square some how. Amd nobody will tell you how it happened.

Not a bash, not against the guys and gals, just have the experience.

It's up to the Chief's to push them to email and make this happen. Make it a drill.

A very accurate and humourous observation. Hopefully this is so beneficial they'll be able to see the benefit.

[YUP YUP]

A very accurate and humourous observation. Hopefully this is so beneficial they'll be able to see the benefit.

setauket fd

[Unite Now]

Get your family and friends to contact the Gov. now.

Please call the Governor’s Office at (518) 474-8390 or visit

www.ny.gov/governor/contact/index.html to send him an email.

[I have proof]

proof you need to get involved.

[Nude Photos]

Well actually X-Rays and MRI's are possible though low cost insurance which we can purchase if this Bill is past.

There is a potential for a Governor's veto of Assembly Bill A7699A, which is FASNY-supported legislation to provide low cost health insurance for volunteer firefighters and EMS responders.

Please call (518) 474-8390 and ask for the Governor's Office to express your support, or go to Governor David Paterson's website,

www.state.ny.us/governor

and click on "Contact the Governor" to submit comments in favor of this important legislation.

FOLKS PLEASE CONTACT THE GOVERNOR. ASK FAMILY AND FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN NYS TO CONTACT HIM. THIS IS FOR US. IT'S NOT UNLIKE WHEN THEY APPROVED LOSAP, BUT THIS TIME WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO PUSH FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT REALIZE THAT WE'RE WORTH SOMETHING LIKE THIS, PLEASE TAKE 5 MINUTES TO CONVINCE THE GOVERNOR OF THE SAME THING.

SOME OF US ALREADY HAVE AFFORDABLE QUALITY INSURANCE, BUT MANY OF OUR FELLOW FIREFIGTHERS DO NOT. IT'S ABOUT MEMBERS OF ALL AGE GROUPS. LOOK I HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED HIM BY E-MAIL IT TAKES 5 MINUTES TOPS TO LOG ONTO THE SITE AND SEND HIM A NOTE ASKING HIM TO PASS THE BILL. THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY HOW IT'S DONE. WE HAVE TO LOBBY FOR OURSELVES. EVERY E-MAIL HE GETS IN SUPPORT OF THIS BILL REPRESNTS A POTENTIAL ELECTION VOTE TO HIM. LET'S SHOW FOLKS THAT WE VOLUNTEERS HAVE A VOICE AND WE WANT TO BE HEARD.


IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW HERE IS WHAT THE BILL COVERS:

HEALTH INSURANCE INITIATIVE

Scorecard Bill: Health Insurance Initiative

Bill Numbers:
Senate Bill Number: S.4617-A
Assembly Bill Number: A.7699-A

Bill Sponsors:
Senator James Seward (R – Cortland, Greene, Herkimer, Otsego, and Schoharie Counties and portions of Chenango and Tompkins Counties)

Assemblywoman RoAnn Destito (D – Oneida County)

Purpose of Bill:
To establish a volunteer firefighter and ambulance worker health insurance program in order to assist with the recruitment and retention of volunteers.

Analysis:
The number of volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers in New York state is declining rapidly. At the same time, the call volume for fire and emergency services has increased. In order to maintain a satisfactory level of fire protection service, additional incentives are required to retain existing volunteers and recruit new volunteers. Because the cost of health insurance is so high for volunteers, access to lower cost health insurance is one such incentive.

Typically, the cost of health insurance in a municipality’s health insurance program is much less expensive than the cost of health insurance that a volunteer is able to obtain in the private market. Unfortunately, under current law, volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers are not authorized to participate in the health insurance program offered by the volunteer’s municipality. Consequently, many volunteers remain uninsured simply because the cost of health insurance coverage is too high.

To solve this problem, this bill amends §92-a of the NYS General Municipal Law. Section 92-a of the NYS General Municipal Law authorizes local governments to provide health insurance for certain municipal personnel. Specifically, this bill adds a new paragraph to §92-a that authorizes the participation of volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers in these health insurance coverage plans. Under this bill, coverage would be made available to a volunteer and his or her family. Payment for the health insurance coverage would be the responsibility of the volunteer.

Since the cost of coverage in a municipality’s health insurance program is less expensive than in the private market, this legislation will provide an affordable health insurance option to the volunteer firefighter and ambulance worker. The availability of affordable health insurance coverage will entice existing volunteers to remain active and it will attract new and younger recruits.

Background/History:
According to the National Volunteer Fire Council (NVFC), the number of volunteers in the United States has dropped over 10% in the last 20 years. This trend is even worse in New York. According to the New York State Office of Fire Prevention and Control (OFPC), there are now less than 100,000 volunteer firefighters in the state – this represents a decline of nearly 20% in the last 10 years. The number of volunteer ambulance workers is also declining at a similar rate. These figures are even more troubling with the realization that fire protection for most of New York’s geographic area is provided by the volunteer fire service.

In response to the declining number of volunteers, an emphasis has been placed on volunteer recruitment and retention. Various studies have concluded that more incentives are required in order to maintain (and preferably increase) the number of volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers. Because the cost of health insurance is high and continues to rise, access to lower cost health insurance for volunteers is often considered by government decision makers as a possible solution.

Here in New York, the NYS Legislature has been contemplating the possibility of health insurance for volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers for several years. In fact, in 2004 a new law was enacted that established a task force to examine the effectiveness of using health insurance benefits as a method of volunteer recruitment. The task force was required to make recommendations on this issue, but has not yet released its report. In the meantime, the NYS Legislature has continued to examine the issue. As a result, S.4617-A/A.7699-A was introduced to address the on-going recruitment and retention problem.

In the 2007 Legislative Session, this bill advanced to the calendar in the Senate but remained in the Insurance Committee in the Assembly.

Key Points:
1. Most fire protection service in NYS is provided by volunteer firefighters. However, the number of volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers in NYS is declining - and the call volume is increasing.

2. Many volunteers do not have access to affordable health insurance coverage. This may be because the volunteer’s employer does not offer a health insurance benefit, or because of the volunteer’s status as a student or a part-time employee, or because of other reasons. Access to lower cost health insurance will help maintain and attract volunteers.

3. The average age of volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers is getting higher. New incentives are needed in order to attract younger recruits. Since many students do not have health insurance coverage, access to affordable coverage would be a viable approach to attracting the younger volunteer.

4. The approach to providing health insurance coverage proposed in this legislation already exists for others in their respective communities. Section 92-a of the NYS General Municipal Law already authorizes health insurance coverage for active and retired employees and officers of the municipality. Section 92-a also authorizes coverage for active and former school board members. Much like these individuals, volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers are integral parts of their respective communities and provide valuable services. Volunteer firefighters and ambulance workers should be able to participate in these health insurance programs as well.

5. Under this legislation the cost of the volunteer’s participation in the municipality’s health insurance plan would be the responsibility of the volunteer. Therefore, there are no negative financial implications to the municipality or the State.

[So Meaty]

Read the post above it's really hot

[YOU WANT HAPPY ENDING]

A7699a Sponsored by Senator James Seward and Assemblywoman RoAnn Destito which provides the opportunity for volunteer fire and EMS responders to purchase low cost health insurance at the leveraged purchase rates paid by local governments was signed into law today by New York Governor David Paterson.
The new law is effective at the end of January, 2009. FASNY will be coordinating with the Governor's office, the Legislature and local government advocates to develop protocols as to how volunteer responders can arrange for this benefit through their Towns, Villages and Fire Districts. There may be interaction with the New York State Health Insurance Plan to accomplish this.

FASNY will continue to report on this as arrangements are made and a seminar is planned for FASNY's October Legislative Meeting. FASNY leadership wishes to thank the many members who wrote and made calls in support of the legislation. This was key in encouraging the Governor to sign this landmark legislation.

[UnregisteredGREAT]

Awesome!

[Unregisteredhotstuff]

Ohh Baby this is some smokin hot stuff

[don't do it]

If you give these guys health insurance there will be no need for them to leave the firehouse and who is going to pick up my garbage?
Let's not even get into the Newsday headlines 5 years from now, when they start finding all the cousins and brother-in-laws who have been added in on the sly. And then- you know it- there isn't enough money to pay for it. What are we going to do? Pensions, tax breaks, free ice if that isn't enough to get volunteers then close up the place and do what would be resposible- turn it into a paid service, where the tax payers can pick up the phone, call an ambulance- and here's something new-- it shows up.
Let's rename it from the Fire Service to the Dole Service...

[Unregistered9999]

Oaky people, Read the words "which provides the opportunity for volunteer fire and EMS responders to purchase low cost health insurance at the leveraged purchase rates.


Key word is "PURCHASE". Doesn't say give, doesn't say pay for, it says "provides the opportunity".

So it would be each member to pay into the plan. Much like we all can go to Costco and buy into a group plan.

[Don't believe it]

The basic NYS government health insurance costs $1100 per month. If someone is in need of Health Insurance- right now, today- pick up the phone and buy insurance- there are tens of thousands of people doing it all over the state. If you can't afford health insurance because your indigent- there is Medicaid available, again, there are tens of thousands of people doing that all over the state. Where do these firefighters fall. If it is a guy 20-25 waiting to get a job- believe it or not, Dairy Barn offers health insurance. Supermarkets offer health insurance. You guys have to come to terms that your club is nothing but a continuous drain on the over taxed citizens. Go anywhere in NY outside of the metro area and the volunteers get nothing. No clubhouses, no gyms, no pensions not even free ice. The fire service I knew- not so many years ago- offered comradery, life long friendships, a sense of community. The Fire service of today are a bunch of whinning babies that can't seem to go out get a job, support a family unless they have their binky in their mouths. It's just disgraceful. I know that it is not all firefighters but it does seem to be the trend. Any foreign country that comes here and looks at these firehouses is going to run home and say- let's attack- those guys are so soft it pitiful, soft isn't the word.
Read through some of these postings- me-me-me-I-I-I. You guys bring the true meaning of the saying- If Patton was alive, he'd slap your face. "Either way I don't give a damn about what you think your entitled to". Other than that have a nice day!

[Hey Moron]

The basic NYS government health insurance costs $1100 per month. If someone is in need of Health Insurance- right now, today- pick up the phone and buy insurance- there are tens of thousands of people doing it all over the state. If you can't afford health insurance because your indigent- there is Medicaid available, again, there are tens of thousands of people doing that all over the state. Where do these firefighters fall. If it is a guy 20-25 waiting to get a job- believe it or not, Dairy Barn offers health insurance. Supermarkets offer health insurance. You guys have to come to terms that your club is nothing but a continuous drain on the over taxed citizens. Go anywhere in NY outside of the metro area and the volunteers get nothing. No clubhouses, no gyms, no pensions not even free ice. The fire service I knew- not so many years ago- offered comradery, life long friendships, a sense of community. The Fire service of today are a bunch of whinning babies that can't seem to go out get a job, support a family unless they have their binky in their mouths. It's just disgraceful. I know that it is not all firefighters but it does seem to be the trend. Any foreign country that comes here and looks at these firehouses is going to run home and say- let's attack- those guys are so soft it pitiful, soft isn't the word.
Read through some of these postings- me-me-me-I-I-I. You guys bring the true meaning of the saying- If Patton was alive, he'd slap your face. "Either way I don't give a damn about what you think your entitled to". Other than that have a nice day!

Doesn't Medicaid come from the same tax dollars you're bitching about?

Other than that drop dead....

[571]

Read the law, the volunteers will pay the cost for the health insurance, which is close to 1300.00 per month family plan and 650.00 per month for single. I don't see where that is even a bargain!!!! I pay less as a self employed tradesman thru Blue Cross/Blue Shield (family plan)

[Stick em up...]

You guys never stop putting your hand out. Why should you be entitled to BUY low cost health insurance. Last weekend witin 10 minutes I stopped at two traffic lights, in two different towns mind you, and was met with a herd of firemen asking for donations. That was approximately 72 hours after I mailed a donation which was mailed to my house. The scary thing is as far as the pension, health insurance, club house, gym, parties, trips, workers comp, death benefits, tax breaks, discounts for the using county parks and free ice- it just keeps coming and coming. If you are putting in so much time to justify these benefits, as I said before, it time to make it a paid service with accountability. Yesterday I heard a 3rd call for an aided case. 3rd call figuring that they give 10 minutes between call outs, that's 30 minutes in the middle of the night. They should have put out the call and said- we have a truck load of freebees. Then you would have had every company and a few mutual aid guys.
If you need the insurance- go get a job. Why should the volunteer fire department have anything to do with it. Like I said before-that recruitment crap doesn't go any more.
Let's see- pension, health benefits, life insurance, eye glasses, Can we pay your rent for you? How about every fireman gets a new car every other year- that would help with recruitment. At least Jesse James wore a mask when he did is robberies. You guys do it in broad light.

[westend]

You City guys get to loot from fire scenes, bang firehouse whores and do coke on duty. We're just looking to get some health care

[Sit Com]

You guys never stop putting your hand out. Why should you be entitled to BUY low cost health insurance. Last weekend witin 10 minutes I stopped at two traffic lights, in two different towns mind you, and was met with a herd of firemen asking for donations. That was approximately 72 hours after I mailed a donation which was mailed to my house. The scary thing is as far as the pension, health insurance, club house, gym, parties, trips, workers comp, death benefits, tax breaks, discounts for the using county parks and free ice- it just keeps coming and coming. If you are putting in so much time to justify these benefits, as I said before, it time to make it a paid service with accountability. Yesterday I heard a 3rd call for an aided case. 3rd call figuring that they give 10 minutes between call outs, that's 30 minutes in the middle of the night. They should have put out the call and said- we have a truck load of freebees. Then you would have had every company and a few mutual aid guys.
If you need the insurance- go get a job. Why should the volunteer fire department have anything to do with it. Like I said before-that recruitment crap doesn't go any more.
Let's see- pension, health benefits, life insurance, eye glasses, Can we pay your rent for you? How about every fireman gets a new car every other year- that would help with recruitment. At least Jesse James wore a mask when he did is robberies. You guys do it in broad light.

tell me did you write this yourself or did you have help. youir post contains more shit than a monkeys ass. look jerk wad it's free, the members can pay for it if they want to, it costs you nothing, in fact the increased membership will help the state negotiate better rates with Empire.

You are a liar and true moron

[Stick em up...]

I guess I struck a nerve. Listen, stop being a loser, go get a job. Come out of the firehouse. At some point, maybe today, maybe next year or maybe in 20 years your going to realize that the volunteer fire department is a social club funded by the tax payers. Please don't even think of considering yourself a professional firefighter. Remember professional firefighters get out of bed when the bell goes off. You guys see one or maybe two fires a year and most of the time the bread delivery guy wo was passing by puts the fire out before you guys can reset your pager.
I'll say it again- no mask, no gun in broad daylight. Probie school 101: Tis is how we put our hand right into the pocket and grab whatever we can. If we get caught we tell them about the big fire back in '47.
We may bang the whores, but you guys are the whores.

[Harry Reams]

I guess I struck a nerve. Listen, stop being a loser, go get a job. Come out of the firehouse. At some point, maybe today, maybe next year or maybe in 20 years your going to realize that the volunteer fire department is a social club funded by the tax payers. Please don't even think of considering yourself a professional firefighter. Remember professional firefighters get out of bed when the bell goes off. You guys see one or maybe two fires a year and most of the time the bread delivery guy wo was passing by puts the fire out before you guys can reset your pager.
I'll say it again- no mask, no gun in broad daylight. Probie school 101: Tis is how we put our hand right into the pocket and grab whatever we can. If we get caught we tell them about the big fire back in '47.
We may bang the whores, but you guys are the whores.

No, no I'm pretty certain it was your old lady we were banging. You know she makes that gutteral pig snorting kind of sound just before she cums. Oh and just for the record I bet that I pay more in taxes each year than you earn in a year.

And that, the fact that you have such a tiny dick and with an assist from the fact that almost women love firemen, even vollies, is why you can be certain that the odds are in my favor that either one ofv my fellow FF's or I have done or will eventually be boning your old lady. So up yours paid boy and give your old lady a pat on the butt fvor me.

[Stick em up...]

I bet you're the guy that throws the pieces when your about to lose. You can get as vulgar as you like, the fact remains the same. I'm hoping that Newsday does another set of articles and it starts putting you guys out of business. I know most districts are hiring response crews under the guise of being maintenance workers. It is time to close it up and sell the fire trucks and change the sign from "volunteer fire department" to "losers club"
I would love to see how many of your members could come up with the 1300 per month if you did get the scam insurance. It might as well be 10,000 bucks.

[Harry Reams]

I bet you're the guy that throws the pieces when your about to lose. You can get as vulgar as you like, the fact remains the same. I'm hoping that Newsday does another set of articles and it starts putting you guys out of business. I know most districts are hiring response crews under the guise of being maintenance workers. It is time to close it up and sell the fire trucks and change the sign from "volunteer fire department" to "losers club"
I would love to see how many of your members could come up with the 1300 per month if you did get the scam insurance. It might as well be 10,000 bucks.

And I would wager a guess that much like the simians you so closely parallel you no doubt not only wallow in but also ingest your own feces. But personal hygiene aside, it was not my intention to appear vulgar but merely to pay you a compliment on the sexual prowess and energy of your significant other.

All kidding aside, tell me did your parents have any children that lived? It's rare to find one single person who embodies so much patently blissful ignorance. You are a medical wonder. Were you per chance dropped repeatedly on your head as a child?

[Stick em up...]

I'm not the one with my hand out. That's you. All professional firefighters should do as I have done. Write to the Governor and tell him your sick and tired of volunteers ripping off the tax payers. Tell him about the amount of times Fire Departments don't show up when called or the extensive delays in response while they shop the call around to other departments. Make sure he knows the scam being laid on the residents of Nassau and Suffolk County.
As far as the response here on this site- I would expect nothing less than the way you have responded, I assume you are speaking on behalf of all volunteers. Have a nice day.

[Veritas Vincit]

I'm not the one with my hand out. That's you. All professional firefighters should do as I have done. Write to the Governor and tell him your sick and tired of volunteers ripping off the tax payers. Tell him about the amount of times Fire Departments don't show up when called or the extensive delays in response while they shop the call around to other departments. Make sure he knows the scam being laid on the residents of Nassau and Suffolk County.
As far as the response here on this site- I would expect nothing less than the way you have responded, I assume you are speaking on behalf of all volunteers. Have a nice day.

Yes, let's talk about ripping off the taxpayers. "Hmm another fire, Who's turn is it to go out LOD this time? What do you say, let's make it a, umm, shoulder injury, yeah that'll work." FDNY professionals right? You're the guys who would rather kill someone on the roadway rather than let the NYPD ESU get out their tool for a pin job before you.

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I'm not the one with my hand out. That's you. All professional firefighters should do as I have done. Write to the Governor and tell him your sick and tired of volunteers ripping off the tax payers. Tell him about the amount of times Fire Departments don't show up when called or the extensive delays in response while they shop the call around to other departments. Make sure he knows the scam being laid on the residents of Nassau and Suffolk County.
As far as the response here on this site- I would expect nothing less than the way you have responded, I assume you are speaking on behalf of all volunteers. Have a nice day.

What a tool, like he would read your letter if the poor guy could see. Don't you have a union meeting to go to Stooge? Things will change but over a very long period of time, and not because some UFA stooge wrote a letter to the blind governor.

That just cracked me up. LOL

[Unregistered2242]

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I think he get's his medical benefits from the FDNY, if that was a shot at the Vollies.

Annunziata, an FDNY firefighter since 2003, appeared with his fiancée in Suffolk County 1st District Court in Central Islip Tuesday. He has been out on $25,000 bail since pleading not guilty Thursday to third-degree, or statutory, rape.

A former city cop, Annunziata lives with his parents and was recently engaged. He has been suspended from the FDNY and the volunteer fire department in West Babylon.


Annunziata is back to the FDNY now. The NYPD Sgt. whose house it happened at should have been suspended. He's been screwing around on his wife with the District Secretary for so long that he brings her everywhere he goes instead of bringing his wife - including the department function that he was at when this happened. He set one fine example for the kids in his house. No wonder that happened. There's obviously no good examples being set at his house. And he's a Chief - how embarassing.

[Stick em up...]

Let's look at the volunteer fire service.
1. Let's get together and have a meeting.
2. We will pick a leader, he doesn't need any qualifications, but he has to be a good guy.
3. We'll have a big party and spend $50,000 of tax payer money to celebrate this election
4. then we will slam him for the next 4 years.

Professional? You don't know what the word means. Go back to bed- oh you never got out. When the guy is having a heart attack and you sleep through it- have the decency to take him off your donation list.

[2 much]

You guys are too much !

Paid / Volly what does it matter? this service is a calling not a profession or a hobby! There are ample examples of shitheads and heroes on both sides but we all know the brothers we can count on regardless of their status. And how is this different from any other aspect of life? All that you guys do by posting your childish BS here is disrespect those who went before you. We'd all benefit by a little history where we remember the good that has been done by our brothers, those who've been lost and those who set examples of leadership. We all need to maintain a deep respect for the taxpayers and communities we serve and the very best way that happens if we serve close to where we live, regardless of status.

Bring the pride back. Remember traditional values. Live and lead by example.
Stop the horsehit.

[* ( 911 ) *]

Brothers,
Honor these men everyday in the things you do while wearing The Maltese Cross. Not just on and around September 11th.

Take some time to read through this list and reflect on the sacrifice that these men made.

NEVER FORGET

Joseph Agnello, Lad.118 Lt. Brian Ahearn, Bat.13 Eric Allen, Sqd.18 (D) Richard Allen, Lad.15 Cpt. James Amato, Sqd.1 Calixto Anaya Jr., Eng.4 Joseph Agnello, Lad.118 Lt. Brian Ahearn, Bat.13 Eric Allen, Sqd.18 (D) Richard Allen, Lad.15 Cpt. James Amato, Sqd.1 Calixto Anaya Jr., Eng.4 Joseph Angelini, Res.1 (D) Joseph Angelini Jr., Lad.4 Faustino Apostol Jr., Bat.2 David Arce, Eng.33 Louis A rena, Lad 5 (D) Carl Asaro, Bat.9 Lt. Gregg Atlas, Eng.10 Gerald Atwood, Lad.21

Gerald Baptiste, Lad.9 A.C. Gerard Barbara, Cmd. Ctr. Matthew Barnes, Lad.25 Arthur Barry, Lad.15 Lt.Steven Bates, Eng.235 Carl Bedigian, Eng.214 Stephen Belson, Bat.7 John Bergin, Res.5 Paul Beyer, Eng.6 Peter Bielfeld, Lad.42 Brian Bilcher, Sqd.1 Carl Bini, Res.5 Christopher Blackwell, Res.3 Michael Bocchino, Bat.48 Frank Bonomo, Eng.230 Gary Box, Sqd.1 Michael Boyle, Eng.33 Kevin Bracken, Eng.40 Michael Brennan, Lad.4 Peter Brennan, Res.4 Cpt. Daniel Brethel, Lad.24 (D) Cpt. Patrick Brown, Lad.3 Andrew Brunn, Lad.5 (D) Cpt. Vincent Brunton, Lad.105 F.M. Ronald Bucca Greg Buck, Eng.201 Cpt. William Burke Jr., Eng.21 A.C. Donald Burns, Cmd. Ctr. John Burnside, Lad.20 Thomas Butler, Sqd.1 Patrick Byrne, Lad.101

George Cain, Lad.7 Salvatore Calabro, Lad.101 Cpt. Frank Callahan, Lad.35 Michael Cammarata, Lad.11 Brian Cannizzaro, Lad.101 Dennis Carey, Hmc.1 Michael Carlo, Eng.230 Michael Carroll, Lad.3 Peter Carroll, Sqd.1 (D) Thomas Casoria, Eng.22 Michael Cawley, Lad.136 Vernon Cherry, Lad.118 Nicholas Chiofalo, Eng.235 John Chipura, Eng.219 Michael Clarke, Lad.2 Steven Coakley, Eng.217 Tarel Coleman, Sqd.252 John Collins, Lad.25 Robert Cordice, Sqd.1 Ruben Correa, Eng.74 James Coyle, Lad.3 Robert Crawford, Safety Lt. John Crisci, H.M. B.C. Dennis Cross, Bat.57 (D) Thomas Cullen III, Sqd. 41 Robert Curatolo, Lad.16 (D)

Lt. Edward D'Atri, Sqd.1 Michael D'Auria, Eng.40 Scott Davidson, Lad.118 Edward Day, Lad.11 B.C. Thomas DeAngelis, Bat. 8 Manuel Delvalle, Eng.5 Martin DeMeo, H.M. 1 David DeRubbio, Eng.226 Lt. Andrew Desperito, Eng.1 (D) B.C. Dennis Devlin, Bat.9 Gerard Dewan, Lad.3 George DiPasquale, Lad.2 Lt. Kevin Donnelly, Lad.3 Lt. Kevin Dowdell, Res.4 B.C. Raymond Downey, Soc. Gerard Duffy, Lad.21

Cpt. Martin Egan, Jr., Div.15 (D) Michael Elferis, Eng.22 Francis Esposito, Eng.235 Lt. Michael Esposito, Sqd.1 Robert Evans, Eng.33

B.C. John Fanning, H.O. Cpt. Thomas Farino, Eng.26 Terrence Farrell, Res.4 Cpt. Joseph Farrelly, Div.1 Dep. Comm. William Feehan, (D) Lee Fehling, Eng.235 Alan Feinberg, Bat.9 Michael Fiore, Res.5 Lt. John Fischer, Lad.20 Andre Fletcher, Res.5 John Florio, Eng.214 Lt. Michael Fodor, Lad.21 Thomas Foley, Res.3 David Fontana, Sqd.1 Robert Foti, Lad.7 Andrew Fredericks, Sqd.18 Lt. Peter Freund, Eng.55

Thomas Gambino Jr., Res.3 Chief of Dept. Peter Ganci, Jr. (D) Lt. Charles Garbarini, Bat.9 Thomas Gardner, Hmc.1 Matthew Garvey, Sqd.1 Bruce Gary, Eng.40 Gary Geidel, Res.1 B.C. Edward Geraghty, Bat.9 Dennis Germain, Lad.2 Lt. Vincent Giammona, Lad.5 James Giberson, Lad.35 Ronnie Gies, Sqd.288 Paul Gill, Eng.54 Lt. John Ginley, Eng.40 Jeffrey Giordano, Lad.3 John Giordano, Hmc.1 Keith Glascoe, Lad.21 James Gray, Lad.20 B.C. Joseph Grzelak, Bat.48 Jose Guadalupe, Eng.54 Lt. Geoffrey Guja, Bat.43 Lt. Joseph Gullickson, Lad.101

David Halderman, Sqd.18 Lt. Vincent Halloran, Lad.8 Robert Hamilton, Sqd.41 Sean Hanley, Lad.20 (D) Thomas Hannafin, Lad.5 Dana Hannon, Eng.26 Daniel Harlin, Lad.2 Lt. Harvey Harrell, Res.5 Lt. Stephen Harrell, Bat.7 Cpt. Thomas Haskell, Jr., Div.15 Timothy Haskell, Sqd.18 (D) Cpt. Terence Hatton, Res.1 Michael Haub, Lad.4 Philip T. Hayes, Eng.217 (Ret) Lt. Michael Healey, Sqd.41 John Hefferman, Lad.11 Ronnie Henderson, Eng.279 Joseph Henry, Lad.21 William Henry, Res.1 (D) Thomas Hetzel, Lad.13 Cpt. Brian Hickey, Res.4 Lt. Timothy Higgins, S.O.C. Jonathan Hohmann, Hmc.1 Thomas Holohan, Eng.6 Joseph Hunter, Sqd.288 Cpt. Walter Hynes, Lad.13 (D)

Jonathan Ielpi, Sqd.288 Cpt. Frederick Ill Jr., Lad.2

William Johnston, Eng.6 Andrew Jordan, Lad.132 Karl Joseph, Eng.207 Lt. Anthony Jovic, Bat.47 Angel Juarbe Jr., Lad.12 Mychal Judge, Chaplain (D)

Vincent Kane, Eng.22 B.C. Charles Kasper, S.O.C. Paul Keating, Lad.5 Richard Kelly Jr., Lad.11 Thomas R. Kelly, Lad.15 Thomas W. Kelly, Lad.105 Thomas Kennedy, Lad.101 Lt. Ronald Kerwin, Sqd.288 Michael Kiefer, Lad.132 Robert King Jr., Eng.33 Scott Kopytko, Lad.15 William Krukowski, Lad.21 Kenneth Kumpel, Lad.25 Thomas Kuveikis, Sqd.252

David LaForge, Lad.20 William Lake, Res.2 Robert Lane, Eng.55 Peter Langone, Sqd.252 Scott Larsen, Lad.15 Lt. Joseph Leavey, Lad.15 Neil Leavy, Eng.217 Daniel Libretti, Res.2 Carlos Lillo, Paramedic Robert Linnane, Lad.20 Michael Lynch, Eng.40 Michael Lynch, Lad.4 Michael Lyons, Sqd.41 Patrick Lyons, Sqd.252

Joseph Maffeo, Lad.101 William Mahoney, Res 4 Joseph Maloney, Lad.3 (D) B.C. Joseph Marchbanks Jr, Bat.12 Lt. Charles Margiotta, Bat.22 Kenneth Marino, Res.1 John Marshall, Eng.23 Lt. Peter Martin, Res.2 Lt. Paul Martini, Eng.23 Joseph Mascali, T.S.U. 2 Keithroy Maynard, Eng.33 Brian McAleese, Eng.226 John McAvoy, Lad.3 Thomas McCann, Bat.8 Lt. William McGinn, Sqd.18 B.C. William McGovern, Bat.2 (D) Dennis McHugh, Lad.13 Robert McMahon, Lad.20 Robert McPadden, Eng.23 Terence McShane, Lad.101 Timothy McSweeney, Lad.3 Martin McWilliams, Eng.22 (D) Raymond Meisenheimer, Res.3 Charles Mendez, Lad.7 Steve Mercado, Eng.40 Douglas Miller, Res.5 Henry Miller Jr, Lad.105 Robert Minara, Lad.25 Thomas Mingione, Lad.132 Lt. Paul Mitchell, Bat.1 Capt. Louis Modafferi, Res.5 Lt. Dennis Mojica, Res.1 (D) Manuel Mojica, Sqd.18 (D) Carl Molinaro, Lad.2 Michael Montesi, Res.1 Capt. Thomas Moody, Div.1 B.C. John Moran, Bat.49 Vincent Morello, Lad.35 Christopher Mozzillo, Eng.55 Richard Muldowney Jr, Lad.07 Michael Mullan, Lad.12 Dennis Mulligan, Lad.2 Lt. Raymond Murphy, Lad.16

Lt. Robert Nagel, Eng.58 John Napolitano, Res.2 Peter Nelson, Res.4 Gerard Nevins, Res.1

Dennis O'Berg, Lad.105 Lt. Daniel O'Callaghan, Lad.4 Douglas Oelschlager, Lad.15 Joseph Ogren, Lad.3 Lt. Thomas O'Hagan, Bat.4 Samuel Oitice, Lad.4 Patrick O'Keefe, Res.1 Capt. William O'Keefe, Div.15 (D) Eric Olsen, Lad.15 Jeffery Olsen, Eng.10 Steven Olson, Lad.3 Kevin O'Rourke, Res.2 Michael Otten, Lad.35

Jeffery Palazzo, Res.5 B.C. Orio Palmer, Bat.7 Frank Palombo, Lad.105 Paul Pansini, Eng.10 B.C. John Paolillo, Bat.11 James Pappageorge, Eng.23 Robert Parro, Eng.8 Durrell Pearsall, Res.4 Lt. Glenn Perry, Bat.12 Lt. Philip Petti, Bat.7 Lt. Kevin Pfeifer, Eng. 33 Lt. Kenneth Phelan, Bat.32 Christopher Pickford, Eng.201 Shawn Powell, Eng.207 Vincent Princiotta, Lad.7 Kevin Prior, Sqd.252 B.C. Richard Prunty, Bat.2 (D)

Lincoln Quappe, Res.2 Lt. Michael Quilty, Lad.11 Ricardo Quinn, Paramedic

Leonard Ragaglia, Eng.54 Michael Ragusa, Eng.279 Edward Rall, Res.2 Adam Rand, Sqd.288 Donald Regan, Res.3 Lt. Robert Regan, Lad.118 Christian Regenhard, Lad.131 Kevin Reilly, Eng.207 Lt. Vernon Richard, Lad.7 James Riches, Eng.4 Joseph Rivelli, Lad.25 Michael Roberts, Eng.214 Michael E. Roberts, Lad.35 Anthony Rodriguez, Eng.279 Matthew Rogan, Lad.11 Nicholas Rossomando, Res.5 Paul Ruback, Lad.25 Stephen Russell, Eng.55 Lt. Michael Russo, S.O.C. B.C. Matthew Ryan, Bat.1

Thomas Sabella, Lad.13 Christopher Santora, Eng.54 John Santore, Lad.5 (D) Gregory Saucedo, Lad.5 Dennis Scauso, H.M. 1 John Schardt, Eng.201 B.C. Fred Scheffold, Bat.12 Thomas Schoales, Eng.4 Gerard Schrang, Res.3 (D) Gregory Sikorsky, Sqd.41 Stephen Siller, Sqd.1 Stanley Smagala Jr, Eng.226 Kevin Smith, H.M. 1 Leon Smith Jr, Lad 118 Robert Spear Jr, Eng.26 Joseph Spor, Res.3 B.C. Lawrence Stack, Bat.50 Cpt. Timothy Stackpole, Div.11 (D) Gregory Stajk, Lad.13 Jeffery Stark, Eng.230 Benjamin Suarez, Lad.21 Daniel Suhr, Eng.216 (D) Lt. Christopher Sullivan, Lad.111 Brian Sweeney, Res.1

Sean Tallon, Lad.10 Allan Tarasiewicz, Res.5 Paul Tegtmeier, Eng.4 John Tierney, Lad.9 John Tipping II, Lad.4 Hector Tirado Jr, Eng.23

Richard Vanhine, Sqd.41 Peter Vega, Lad.118 Lawrence Veling, Eng.235 John Vigiano II, Lad.132 Sergio Villanueva, Lad.132 Lawrence Virgilio, Sqd.18 (D)

Lt. Robert Wallace, Eng.205 Jeffery Walz, Lad. 9 Lt. Michael Warchola, Lad.5 (D) Capt. Patrick Waters, S.O.C. Kenneth Watson, Eng.214 Michael Weinberg, Eng.1 (D) David Weiss, Res.1 Timothy Welty, Sqd.288 Eugene Whelan, Eng.230 Edward White, Eng.230 Mark Whitford, Eng.23 Lt. Glenn Wilkinson, Eng.238 (D) B.C. John Williamson, Bat.6 (D) Capt. David Wooley, Lad.4

Raymond York, Eng.285 (D)


And don't forget the other 2,630 innocent victims of this cowardly act. May they, their families and friends find peace.

[ENPT EMT]

Let's look at the volunteer fire service.
1. Let's get together and have a meeting.
2. We will pick a leader, he doesn't need any qualifications, but he has to be a good guy.
3. We'll have a big party and spend $50,000 of tax payer money to celebrate this election
4. then we will slam him for the next 4 years.

Professional? You don't know what the word means. Go back to bed- oh you never got out. When the guy is having a heart attack and you sleep through it- have the decency to take him off your donation list.

You are VERY uninformed. I've been reading your posts here and I can't argue with you...because nothing you say makes any sense. It all just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I once read an article in Newsday that says...".

Examples:

FICTION: "2. We will pick a leader, he doesn't need any qualifications, but he has to be a good guy."

FACT: My department's by-laws has two pages describing qualifications for certain positions.

FICTION: "3. We'll have a big party and spend $50,000 of tax payer money to celebrate this election"

FACT: Our parties are funded by donations, not taxes.

My guess is you applied to be a volunteer some place and you were rejected because you're not too bright. So now you're angry. But you'll be the first to call when your hemorrhoids become intolerable.

It is you, sir, that needs to get a life.

-Brian

[Stick em up...]

You are VERY uninformed. I've been reading your posts here and I can't argue with you...because nothing you say makes any sense. It all just screams "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I once read an article in Newsday that says...".

Examples:

FICTION: "2. We will pick a leader, he doesn't need any qualifications, but he has to be a good guy."

FACT: My department's by-laws has two pages describing qualifications for certain positions.

FICTION: "3. We'll have a big party and spend $50,000 of tax payer money to celebrate this election"

FACT: Our parties are funded by donations, not taxes.

My guess is you applied to be a volunteer some place and you were rejected because you're not too bright. So now you're angry. But you'll be the first to call when your hemorrhoids become intolerable.

It is you, sir, that needs to get a life.

-Brian

Brian, You're right about me being angry.
From what I see, I'm pretty sure the fire department doesn't turn anyone down. I've seen a couple of firefighters with 3 eyes and half a brain. Maybe your one of them.

Tell the rest of the normal world how Fire Chiefs are selected? Do the members review submitted resumes and and make a decsion based on the the most qualified candidate?
And If you think for one second that you are going to attempt to insult my intelligence by saying that firefighters pay for the Annual Installation Dinner, then I want you to post a photo of your 3rd eye on this forum.
Are you sure your name isn't Jack

[Unregistered as well]

Brian, You're right about me being angry.
From what I see, I'm pretty sure the fire department doesn't turn anyone down. I've seen a couple of firefighters with 3 eyes and half a brain. Maybe your one of them.

Tell the rest of the normal world how Fire Chiefs are selected? Do the members review submitted resumes and and make a decsion based on the the most qualified candidate?
And If you think for one second that you are going to attempt to insult my intelligence by saying that firefighters pay for the Annual Installation Dinner, then I want you to post a photo of your 3rd eye on this forum.
Are you sure your name isn't Jack

There are restrictions on who can become Chief, and Commissioners are placing more everyday. So there are qualifications required and it is a tought road, one side of the room hates it, the other side applauds it.. That is happening.

The installation dinner is allowed by state law, $50K is a little high, but depending on the size of the department and the amount of people attending could happen. Personally never signed checks for more than $15K including extras like photogs, bands, favors, etc for about 250 guests usually. (Not at a VFW hall, nicely done in numerous well respected venues over the years.) Bigger departments, more people so the costs go up as well as the tax base available. Plus if you went to your local budget meeting as prescribed by state law you could have had a comment on that at that time.

Both of you be part of the solution, not the problem. Go paid, okay even the overpriced installation didn't pay for one years service of a paid employee and how many benefitted from it and just once? To staff a firehouse even with one set of Tech's alone for rescue 24 / 7 / 365 you are looking at minimum of $500 K..
Grow up...

[Hey Ronald]

There are restrictions on who can become Chief, and Commissioners are placing more everyday. So there are qualifications required and it is a tought road, one side of the room hates it, the other side applauds it.. That is happening.

The installation dinner is allowed by state law, $50K is a little high, but depending on the size of the department and the amount of people attending could happen. Personally never signed checks for more than $15K including extras like photogs, bands, favors, etc for about 250 guests usually. (Not at a VFW hall, nicely done in numerous well respected venues over the years.) Bigger departments, more people so the costs go up as well as the tax base available. Plus if you went to your local budget meeting as prescribed by state law you could have had a comment on that at that time.

Both of you be part of the solution, not the problem. Go paid, okay even the overpriced installation didn't pay for one years service of a paid employee and how many benefitted from it and just once? To staff a firehouse even with one set of Tech's alone for rescue 24 / 7 / 365 you are looking at minimum of $500 K..
Grow up...

Look you make a lot ofv good points but to say you spent a max of $15k on an installation dinner is a real stretch. Where did you eat MCDonalds?

[Stick em up...]

The discussion started out about volunteers being allowed to purchase health insurance from the state. My point is that enough is enough, you can't have perk after perk and call yourselves volunteers. What is the breakeven point? All over this country volunteer firefighters go out and provide their communities with a legitimate needed service and don't ask for anything in return. Here on Long Island it has gotten so out of control that the volunteers will soon cost as much as a paid. The truth is that the volunteers don't always respond and that is accepted with no accountability. I say give more perks but, when the whistle blows all firefighters have to respond. That is not being realistic, so let's start thinking about bringing paid personnel, who can be held accountable.

[installation dinner]

purcell would spend more than 40k!

[put em down]

The discussion started out about volunteers being allowed to purchase health insurance from the state. My point is that enough is enough, you can't have perk after perk and call yourselves volunteers. What is the breakeven point? All over this country volunteer firefighters go out and provide their communities with a legitimate needed service and don't ask for anything in return. Here on Long Island it has gotten so out of control that the volunteers will soon cost as much as a paid. The truth is that the volunteers don't always respond and that is accepted with no accountability. I say give more perks but, when the whistle blows all firefighters have to respond. That is not being realistic, so let's start thinking about bringing paid personnel, who can be held accountable.

your ignorance is astounding. what perk? there is not perk here nor breakeven point. it falls under recruitment & retention and also makes good business sense. The FF's have access to insurance they may not have, the taxpayers do not pay a cent for it, the state is in a stronger negotiating position with the insurance companies because of a higher membership base now supplemented by members who are paying for themselves. if you can't see this then you're just an angry moron intent on getting rid of voluteers

[Stick em up...]

your ignorance is astounding. what perk? there is not perk here nor breakeven point. it falls under recruitment & retention and also makes good business sense. The FF's have access to insurance they may not have, the taxpayers do not pay a cent for it, the state is in a stronger negotiating position with the insurance companies because of a higher membership base now supplemented by members who are paying for themselves. if you can't see this then you're just an angry moron intent on getting rid of voluteers

Hey Loser, I'm so ignorant but I was able to go out and get a job where my family is provided the proper health insurance. If you want to BUY into the plan, it is easy go to www.empireblue.com and follow the links, they will show you how to buy into the program. But we all know that the goal here is to get another handout. Breakeven point- there comes a point of diminshed returns- that where you guys are taking so much out of the pot that it would be better for the taxpayer to have a paid fire service. The best is watching you guys trying tell everyone that the sky is really purple. Chiefs are elected because their good guys, Installation dinners are paid for by the taxpayers, your benevolent associations are funded by insurance companies, the firehouses are directly or indirectly paid for by the taxpayers and the entire fire service on Long Island is nothing but a poor man social club. You may say that a fire house with a gym, bar, 68 inch tv is to recruit members but I have never in my life ever met a firefighter who said I joined because of the gym equipment. Face it, you have lost your way and your greed is clouding your judgement. If anything you said was true, then the taxpayers would not question anything you needed but it is way beyond that now. Now you have to fight for everything. The sky is blue and you my friend are a free loader.

[put em down]

Hey Loser, I'm so ignorant but I was able to go out and get a job where my family is provided the proper health insurance. If you want to BUY into the plan, it is easy go to www.empireblue.com and follow the links, they will show you how to buy into the program. But we all know that the goal here is to get another handout. Breakeven point- there comes a point of diminshed returns- that where you guys are taking so much out of the pot that it would be better for the taxpayer to have a paid fire service. The best is watching you guys trying tell everyone that the sky is really purple. Chiefs are elected because their good guys, Installation dinners are paid for by the taxpayers, your benevolent associations are funded by insurance companies, the firehouses are directly or indirectly paid for by the taxpayers and the entire fire service on Long Island is nothing but a poor man social club. You may say that a fire house with a gym, bar, 68 inch tv is to recruit members but I have never in my life ever met a firefighter who said I joined because of the gym equipment. Face it, you have lost your way and your greed is clouding your judgement. If anything you said was true, then the taxpayers would not question anything you needed but it is way beyond that now. Now you have to fight for everything. The sky is blue and you my friend are a free loader.

You are a true idiot. I earn too much to be eligible for Empire you Pod. You obviously know nothing. Research as I did before you speak. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak and erase all doubt. You are no doubt a ex-vollie with and axe to grind or a paid union stooge trying to convince the taxpayers of LI that the Vol FD's are killing them. I pay just over $300 per year in my town for fire protection. Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me a paid department will cost me less.

You are a misinformed moron using disinformation to attempt to make your point. Does the current system need to be fixed in certain areas and departments yes. Is a paid solution the answer NO. The tax incease would kill LI and then where will pond scum like yourself be? Let me guess North Carolina. Do yourself a favor google up Vallejo Calif & bankruptcy and read what paid departments can do to small towns and cities.

Educate yourself before you try to make a point. So tell me which FD were you forced out of or which paid department do you work for?

[UnregisteredBS]

You are a true idiot. I earn too much to be eligible for Empire you Pod. You obviously know nothing. Research as I did before you speak. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak and erase all doubt. You are no doubt a ex-vollie with and axe to grind or a paid union stooge trying to convince the taxpayers of LI that the Vol FD's are killing them. I pay just over $300 per year in my town for fire protection. Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me a paid department will cost me less.

You are a misinformed moron using disinformation to attempt to make your point. Does the current system need to be fixed in certain areas and departments yes. Is a paid solution the answer NO. The tax incease would kill LI and then where will pond scum like yourself be? Let me guess North Carolina. Do yourself a favor google up Vallejo Calif & bankruptcy and read what paid departments can do to small towns and cities.

Educate yourself before you try to make a point. So tell me which FD were you forced out of or which paid department do you work for?

You and your "Look up Vallejo Calif and bankruptcy" shit. You act as if the paid police and fire contracts killed this city. Yes at the time of their bankruptcy the two jobs salaries and benefits took a large portion of the budget. BUT... Vallejo got to where it was by many years of financial mismanagement. Your pretty good at the disinformation and half truths yourself.

[Yeah Right 2]

You and your "Look up Vallejo Calif and bankruptcy" shit. You act as if the paid police and fire contracts killed this city. Yes at the time of their bankruptcy the two jobs salaries and benefits took a large portion of the budget. BUT... Vallejo got to where it was by many years of financial mismanagement. Your pretty good at the disinformation and half truths yourself.

Read or get someone to read it for you. The mismanagement was over paying the cops and ff's. It's always someones elses fvault with you butt pirates. It's always the vollies or the govenrments it's never the unions.

I'm good at disinformation you union stooge, you clowns live for it, tell me how about the following news sources are they making it up also:

CNBC Reports:
Meanwhile, Vallejo faces soaring payroll costs for its firefighters and police officers, whose pay and benefits make up nearly 80 percent of the city's general fund budget.

Vallejo officials have been negotiating to reduce pay and benefits to firefighters and police officers, but have so far failed to reach agreement with their unions.

San Jose Mercury News Reports:
CITY OFFICIALLY SEEKS BANKRUPTCY PROTECTION
The city of Vallejo filed for bankruptcy protection Friday to deal with a ballooning budget deficit caused by soaring employee costs and declining tax revenue. The North Bay community of about 120,000 residents became the largest California city to declare bankruptcy, which will protect the city from its creditors while it develops a plan to return to fiscal health. Mayor Osby Davis said the city's attorneys filed papers seeking Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in federal court

NBC - TV Reports
As Vallejo Bankruptcy Looms Other Bay Area Cities May Follow
In March, city officials said agreements had to be reached on long-term contracts with the unions and on the city budgets through 2012 by April 22 or the council would proceed with its plan to file bankruptcy. The city faces a $13.2 million deficit in its 2008-2009 budget.

Two more closed-door negotiating sessions between city officials and the police, fire and electrical workers' unions are scheduled for Monday and Tuesday before city officials decide whether to file bankruptcy.

The city manager's office is scheduled to present a verbal update on the labor negotiations at the council meeting but no action will be taken, according to the meeting agenda.

So far Vallejo city leaders have not been able to come up with a solution to their biggest financial problem: how to pay for police and fire protection.

But Vallejo is not the only city in dire economic straights. Cities and counties across the Bay Area are struggling. Neighboring Contra Costa County is also struggling. On Tuesday morning county administrator John Cullen will present his 2008-2009 recommended budget to county leaders. He said the budget will be tough to swallow

VALLEJO, Calif. (KCBS) -- The city council’s decision was long in coming but unanimous when it finally arrived. Every member of the council voted Tuesday for a Chapter 9 bankruptcy declaration, making Vallejo the largest California city to seek such protection.

The move was sharply criticized by the police union. Police and firefighter expenses account for 76 percent of the spending from Vallejo’s general fund.

[UnregisteredBS]

Read or get someone to read it for you. The mismanagement was over paying the cops and ff's. It's always someones elses fvault with you butt pirates. It's always the vollies or the govenrments it's never the unions.

I'm good at disinformation you union stooge, you clowns live for it, tell me how about the following news sources are they making it up also:

CNBC Reports:
Meanwhile, Vallejo faces soaring payroll costs for its firefighters and police officers, whose pay and benefits make up nearly 80 percent of the city's general fund budget.

Vallejo officials have been negotiating to reduce pay and benefits to firefighters and police officers, but have so far failed to reach agreement with their unions.

San Jose Mercury News Reports:
CITY OFFICIALLY SEEKS BANKRUPTCY PROTECTION
The city of Vallejo filed for bankruptcy protection Friday to deal with a ballooning budget deficit caused by soaring employee costs and declining tax revenue. The North Bay community of about 120,000 residents became the largest California city to declare bankruptcy, which will protect the city from its creditors while it develops a plan to return to fiscal health. Mayor Osby Davis said the city's attorneys filed papers seeking Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection in federal court

NBC - TV Reports
As Vallejo Bankruptcy Looms Other Bay Area Cities May Follow
In March, city officials said agreements had to be reached on long-term contracts with the unions and on the city budgets through 2012 by April 22 or the council would proceed with its plan to file bankruptcy. The city faces a $13.2 million deficit in its 2008-2009 budget.

Two more closed-door negotiating sessions between city officials and the police, fire and electrical workers' unions are scheduled for Monday and Tuesday before city officials decide whether to file bankruptcy.

The city manager's office is scheduled to present a verbal update on the labor negotiations at the council meeting but no action will be taken, according to the meeting agenda.

So far Vallejo city leaders have not been able to come up with a solution to their biggest financial problem: how to pay for police and fire protection.

But Vallejo is not the only city in dire economic straights. Cities and counties across the Bay Area are struggling. Neighboring Contra Costa County is also struggling. On Tuesday morning county administrator John Cullen will present his 2008-2009 recommended budget to county leaders. He said the budget will be tough to swallow

VALLEJO, Calif. (KCBS) -- The city council’s decision was long in coming but unanimous when it finally arrived. Every member of the council voted Tuesday for a Chapter 9 bankruptcy declaration, making Vallejo the largest California city to seek such protection.

The move was sharply criticized by the police union. Police and firefighter expenses account for 76 percent of the spending from Vallejo’s general fund.

You should either reread or have someone reread my post above, I plainly stated that the two jobs took up a large percent of the CURRENT budget. The city in question has had financial mismanagement for decades that brought the to there current state. There are paid FD and PD all over in the state of Calif and all the jobs paid scales are similar, but Vallejo is the only one that declared bankruptcy and has such an uneven balance of their budget. The whole country is in a recession so everyone is struggling, let me guess it the paid PD and FD's that put the country in its current state also.

OK, so you posted a couple news reports that say the same current problem. That proves nothing, we know about their current state. Also since when do you take news reporting as FACT!!! I GUESS I SHOULD POST THE NEWSDAY FIRE ALARM SERIES SINCE WE ARE GOING ON NEWS REPORTS AS THE END ALL BE ALL!!!!!!!

[nooneislistening2u]

You guys never stop putting your hand out. Why should you be entitled to BUY low cost health insurance. Last weekend witin 10 minutes I stopped at two traffic lights, in two different towns mind you, and was met with a herd of firemen asking for donations. That was approximately 72 hours after I mailed a donation which was mailed to my house. The scary thing is as far as the pension, health insurance, club house, gym, parties, trips, workers comp, death benefits, tax breaks, discounts for the using county parks and free ice- it just keeps coming and coming. If you are putting in so much time to justify these benefits, as I said before, it time to make it a paid service with accountability. Yesterday I heard a 3rd call for an aided case. 3rd call figuring that they give 10 minutes between call outs, that's 30 minutes in the middle of the night. They should have put out the call and said- we have a truck load of freebees. Then you would have had every company and a few mutual aid guys.
If you need the insurance- go get a job. Why should the volunteer fire department have anything to do with it. Like I said before-that recruitment crap doesn't go any more.
Let's see- pension, health benefits, life insurance, eye glasses, Can we pay your rent for you? How about every fireman gets a new car every other year- that would help with recruitment. At least Jesse James wore a mask when he did is robberies. You guys do it in broad light.

Listen scumpuppy you're either a PAID prik who still lives with Mom and Dad and tired of commuting to the city and hoping for a tax payers subsidized PD style salary on LI -or- you're a loser who couldn't even get that job after they lowered the standards to a point where a Monkey could qualify and hoping for the same thing.... either way let me help you out because you're wasting your time. It ISN"T GPOING TO HAPPEN. Maybe you've heard about this little tax problem we have on LI with schools and PD making up 80% of our tax bill? I doubt taxpayers are going to pay for another group of over paid pigs at the government trough like the current teachers and cops. Especially when on top of the 2-3% they currently pay for fire service they find it in their hearts to give us donations to pay for most of the stuff you're complaining about - moron it's not purchased with tax dollars!!! The public knows that fires get put out, their cardiac arrests are picked up and their kids are cut out of fast cars pretty much as quickly as in the BIG city but for a pittance of even that cost. So if you don't like it move to East NY where you'll fit in better with the neighbors and your commute won't be so long.

[Stick em up...]

Listen scumpuppy you're either a PAID prik who still lives with Mom and Dad and tired of commuting to the city and hoping for a tax payers subsidized PD style salary on LI -or- you're a loser who couldn't even get that job after they lowered the standards to a point where a Monkey could qualify and hoping for the same thing.... either way let me help you out because you're wasting your time. It ISN"T GPOING TO HAPPEN. Maybe you've heard about this little tax problem we have on LI with schools and PD making up 80% of our tax bill? I doubt taxpayers are going to pay for another group of over paid pigs at the government trough like the current teachers and cops. Especially when on top of the 2-3% they currently pay for fire service they find it in their hearts to give us donations to pay for most of the stuff you're complaining about - moron it's not purchased with tax dollars!!! The public knows that fires get put out, their cardiac arrests are picked up and their kids are cut out of fast cars pretty much as quickly as in the BIG city but for a pittance of even that cost. So if you don't like it move to East NY where you'll fit in better with the neighbors and your commute won't be so long.

When I read your self description as "over paid pigs" that is exactly what I have been saying. You don't take your government handout in pay you are the stupid guys who take it in firehouse welfare and then realize that you should have been out working to support your family instead of going to the firehouse. You pay 300 per year in taxes for something that may not show up when you call? I'll pay 600 to know that when I call 911 they will come. What are you guys going to do when it comes out how many people have died because of your mistakes or failure to respond. What would you call it when there is a 3rd call for an aided case for a cardiac call- I call it negligence bordering on criminal. When I call 911 and ask for the police they come when I call 911 and ask for an FD ambulance you lazy free loaders roll over and go back to sleep. Give me the over paid union... anytime over you losers.

[don't donate]

First allow me to post that I am not a volunteer ff or emt. I am simply a taxpayer who gets annoyed when the "donation drive" starts and these people knock on my door asking for a handout. ENOUGH! Many of my neighbors and I tell the person "our donation is included in our tax bill, goodbye" and close the door. You see, as a previous poster admitted, the "donations" pay for the big dinners and extra perks- yet we as taxpayers CANNOT use the hall, have a drink at the mahogany bar, get ice for a block party, etc. ONLY the volunteers can. Not fair, and I refuse to contribute an extra penny. No sour grapes here, I just think most taxpayers are fed up with giving money away to fund trips to Vegas. Perhaps someone should start a ff membership association- like asking for $10 a house- and that would entitle a homeowner to facility useage. Both of my parents were volunteer firefighters, I enjoyed many a drunken night at the "house". great guys & gals, but enough is enough.

[Dear Richard Nose]

You should either reread or have someone reread my post above, I plainly stated that the two jobs took up a large percent of the CURRENT budget. The city in question has had financial mismanagement for decades that brought the to there current state. There are paid FD and PD all over in the state of Calif and all the jobs paid scales are similar, but Vallejo is the only one that declared bankruptcy and has such an uneven balance of their budget. The whole country is in a recession so everyone is struggling, let me guess it the paid PD and FD's that put the country in its current state also.

OK, so you posted a couple news reports that say the same current problem. That proves nothing, we know about their current state. Also since when do you take news reporting as FACT!!! I GUESS I SHOULD POST THE NEWSDAY FIRE ALARM SERIES SINCE WE ARE GOING ON NEWS REPORTS AS THE END ALL BE ALL!!!!!!!

Hey dick nose, no you need to read, the financial mismanagement came in the form of over paying the police and fire department. It was based on lucrative contracts given when tax income was higher. The city of Vallejo cannot be held responsible for declining real estate markets, that is a nationwide problem. Please note that the unions refused to negotiate a solution in good faith to avoid or mediate the problem. As always they want whats in it for tehm and the taxpayer be damned. I'll take your money, do the bare minimum as per my contractual obligations and if you get jammed up don't come to the unions looking for help. And you ass clowns call the Vollies selfish. Read it carefully you POD because we're already in bad shape tax wise on LI and paid FD solution will finish us.

As far as Newsday. The differance is that was a single source biased article from a publication with a history of anomosity for the Vol FD's. If it was such a hot topic why didn't a single other media pick up on it? Well of course Channel 12 did and they are buying Newsday. The Valeejo story was covered by dozens of stations and newspappers from CNBC to Associated press. SO much like talking to you we have bullshit (Newsday) and the real facts (Me)

Don't like things here then move butt pirate

[Just Die Already]

First allow me to post that I am not a volunteer ff or emt. I am simply a taxpayer who gets annoyed when the "donation drive" starts and these people knock on my door asking for a handout. ENOUGH! Many of my neighbors and I tell the person "our donation is included in our tax bill, goodbye" and close the door. You see, as a previous poster admitted, the "donations" pay for the big dinners and extra perks- yet we as taxpayers CANNOT use the hall, have a drink at the mahogany bar, get ice for a block party, etc. ONLY the volunteers can. Not fair, and I refuse to contribute an extra penny. No sour grapes here, I just think most taxpayers are fed up with giving money away to fund trips to Vegas. Perhaps someone should start a ff membership association- like asking for $10 a house- and that would entitle a homeowner to facility useage. Both of my parents were volunteer firefighters, I enjoyed many a drunken night at the "house". great guys & gals, but enough is enough.

OK now we know your parents were drunken ff's, this means you probably conceived after a drunken orgy of a party and most likely are still suffering the effects of fetal alchohol syndrome.

You want to use the hall then get off your fat ass and join. If not then simply don't donate. No big deal, shuit the hell up and don't answer the door. My fire tax is like $300 per year, a fraction of what it would be if the fd's went paid. so you know what i throw the ff's a few extra bucks each year to say thanks for keeping my tax bill down. i pay the school district close to $7000 per year and tapped for a minimum of $500 extra during the course of the year. And you know what our school district is avergae and that's being kind and I've never had a teacher come to anyones house at 3:00am to help with home work. So just shut up or die already.

[UnregisteredBS]

Hey dick nose, no you need to read, the financial mismanagement came in the form of over paying the police and fire department. It was based on lucrative contracts given when tax income was higher. The city of Vallejo cannot be held responsible for declining real estate markets, that is a nationwide problem. Please note that the unions refused to negotiate a solution in good faith to avoid or mediate the problem. As always they want whats in it for tehm and the taxpayer be damned. I'll take your money, do the bare minimum as per my contractual obligations and if you get jammed up don't come to the unions looking for help. And you ass clowns call the Vollies selfish. Read it carefully you POD because we're already in bad shape tax wise on LI and paid FD solution will finish us.

As far as Newsday. The differance is that was a single source biased article from a publication with a history of anomosity for the Vol FD's. If it was such a hot topic why didn't a single other media pick up on it? Well of course Channel 12 did and they are buying Newsday. The Valeejo story was covered by dozens of stations and newspappers from CNBC to Associated press. SO much like talking to you we have bullshit (Newsday) and the real facts (Me)

Don't like things here then move butt pirate

Your really quick at throwing out the penis references and calling people butt pirates, repressing some homosexual feeling?? You got some BIG MAN sling insults from behind the keyboard. Its ok, I find them funny plus it just lets us all know who we are dealing with. You are either a 90 pound weakling or a 360 pound gelatinous mass, but on here you can be Hercules. So keep; em coming we butt pirates love it.ARRRRRRR Mate!!!

Once again you need to reread the story, the FD union voted on and passed give backs that added up to millions. I would love to see you do that, the day the 7-11 manager walks up and tell you that you need to give back a dollar an hour and go back to min. wage other wise he has to close the store. Oh wait, don't get mad , I know you are going to tell me you make more than me in a month than I do all year. See thats the problem with this hiding behind the keyboard thing we will never know the truth.

So with that I will let you puff out your chest and say how I am a butt pirate, union stooge and whatever other creative thing you think will insult me, but talking with you is kind if like jerking off with a cheese grater, at first a little pleasure but mostly painful.

[Butt Wait]

Your really quick at throwing out the penis references and calling people butt pirates, repressing some homosexual feeling?? You got some BIG MAN sling insults from behind the keyboard. Its ok, I find them funny plus it just lets us all know who we are dealing with. You are either a 90 pound weakling or a 360 pound gelatinous mass, but on here you can be Hercules. So keep; em coming we butt pirates love it.ARRRRRRR Mate!!!

Once again you need to reread the story, the FD union voted on and passed give backs that added up to millions. I would love to see you do that, the day the 7-11 manager walks up and tell you that you need to give back a dollar an hour and go back to min. wage other wise he has to close the store. Oh wait, don't get mad , I know you are going to tell me you make more than me in a month than I do all year. See thats the problem with this hiding behind the keyboard thing we will never know the truth.

So with that I will let you puff out your chest and say how I am a butt pirate, union stooge and whatever other creative thing you think will insult me, but talking with you is kind if like jerking off with a cheese grater, at first a little pleasure but mostly painful.

Given the anonymity of your posts, how do you feel you have earned any sort of moral high ground here? No insult intended just a simple question for you.

And your opponent is correct, perhaps a tad verbose and most assuredly creative in his writing style, but correct none the less. In the example he sites it was not until too late in the process, after bankruptcy became a foregone conclusion that either union moved to make concessions. You really should study the entire case it is an excellent example of what could happen here.

Let’s be honest the city did not simply give lucrative contracts, they were negotiated by the unions. Then when the city fell victim to the same general depression in the real estate market as the rest of America, the unions clearly were unwilling and slow to negotiate a solution.

Long Island is one of, if not the highest taxed regions of the country. A paid service is a completely insane concept here. It would no doubt be the final push for many LI’s to leave. The Island would then either become the domain of the very, very, rich or fall victim to suburban decay fueled by already out of control illegal immigration issues and a mass migration away of the middle and upper middle class.

Is the volunteer system perfect, No, but it can be fixed. And so my friend as you pontificate with venom equal to or greater than your equally unidentified opponent, bear in mind his insights are accurate and you’re guilty of the same things you accuse him of.

There now no insults, just truth. How will you handle that?

[UnregisteredBS]

Given the anonymity of your posts, how do you feel you have earned any sort of moral high ground here? No insult intended just a simple question for you.

And your opponent is correct, perhaps a tad verbose and most assuredly creative in his writing style, but correct none the less. In the example he sites it was not until too late in the process, after bankruptcy became a foregone conclusion that either union moved to make concessions. You really should study the entire case it is an excellent example of what could happen here.

Let’s be honest the city did not simply give lucrative contracts, they were negotiated by the unions. Then when the city fell victim to the same general depression in the real estate market as the rest of America, the unions clearly were unwilling and slow to negotiate a solution.

Long Island is one of, if not the highest taxed regions of the country. A paid service is a completely insane concept here. It would no doubt be the final push for many LI’s to leave. The Island would then either become the domain of the very, very, rich or fall victim to suburban decay fueled by already out of control illegal immigration issues and a mass migration away of the middle and upper middle class.

Is the volunteer system perfect, No, but it can be fixed. And so my friend as you pontificate with venom equal to or greater than your equally unidentified opponent, bear in mind his insights are accurate and you’re guilty of the same things you accuse him of.

There now no insults, just truth. How will you handle that?

Moral High Ground??? I am not the one trying to insult people who disagree with my position. Go back and read the other post and you will see an attack by my "opponent" in every one of his post.

Also where in my post did I say a paid system is what we need here on LI???? Go and look, I didn't say it you said I did! Some depts struggle, some don't supplement where needed.

As far as Vallejo Calif goes we agree that the unions didn't just take and force the city to give them the contracts. They negotiated them at time the city appeared to be financially stable. They expect and want a COLA raise every year just as any person who works expects and wants. Then when the city as well as the country fell into this depression and the housing market crashed the city was suddenly in finical ruin. You say the unions didn't agree to give backs quick enough??? Come on lets be serious!!! The housing market crashed, Gas prices skyrocket out of control along with flour and everything else one needs for himself and his/her family. NOBODY...not cop,firefighter,nurse or grave digger would in this economy want to give up and amount of income but yet you expect the cops/firefighters to just give it back. They to have families, houses and car payments to make just like everyone else in the USA. Its so easy to point your finger at them and say they are so greedy, but I bet if it was your money, that provided form your family you would be singing a different tune. You would circle the wagons and hold on to everything you got and need to provide for you loved ones!! Thanks for playing.....Checkmate~!

[Butt Wait]

Moral High Ground??? I am not the one trying to insult people who disagree with my position. Go back and read the other post and you will see an attack by my "opponent" in every one of his post.

Also where in my post did I say a paid system is what we need here on LI???? Go and look, I didn't say it you said I did! Some depts struggle, some don't supplement where needed.

As far as Vallejo Calif goes we agree that the unions didn't just take and force the city to give them the contracts. They negotiated them at time the city appeared to be financially stable. They expect and want a COLA raise every year just as any person who works expects and wants. Then when the city as well as the country fell into this depression and the housing market crashed the city was suddenly in finical ruin. You say the unions didn't agree to give backs quick enough??? Come on lets be serious!!! The housing market crashed, Gas prices skyrocket out of control along with flour and everything else one needs for himself and his/her family. NOBODY...not cop,firefighter,nurse or grave digger would in this economy want to give up and amount of income but yet you expect the cops/firefighters to just give it back. They to have families, houses and car payments to make just like everyone else in the USA. Its so easy to point your finger at them and say they are so greedy, but I bet if it was your money, that provided form your family you would be singing a different tune. You would circle the wagons and hold on to everything you got and need to provide for you loved ones!! Thanks for playing.....Checkmate~!

Actually you are incorrect once again. I was actually involved once in a situation where voluntary give backs were required to maintain the fiscal health and survival of a company. The entire organization of over 10,000 plus employees were intelligent to realize that the good of the many was far outweighed by the selfish needs of the few. So sacrifices were made voluntarily at all level of the company and ultimately the firm survived and prospered. Everyone benefited.

Its common knowledge that a large shipping firm also faced with a similar problem in the early 70’s went to its employee’s and request salary reductions and longer hours while the firm reorganized and fought its way out of dire straits. To a person everyone agree and a phoenix arose from the ashes and each staff member was awarded back pay and bonuses.

But I speak from a position of experience and maturity, you speak from a position of ignorance and short sightedness. Checkmate indeed you lack the intellect to even address this issue as anything other than a game a clear sign of stupidity. To you this is a matter of whether you are personally perceived as being correct, this is the tact of an egocentric dolt, mores the pity I for a moment I gave you credit for having at least the intelligence of a tree sloth, and you have proven me wrong. In a battle of wits you remain unarmed. Once I again I repeat for your benefit it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

Beyond that you bore me and I can see why your original opponent took the tone he did with you. So please remember your windex so that you may clean the windows on your bus when you leave it each day.

[UnregisteredBS]

Actually you are incorrect once again. I was actually involved once in a situation where voluntary give backs were required to maintain the fiscal health and survival of a company. The entire organization of over 10,000 plus employees were intelligent to realize that the good of the many was far outweighed by the selfish needs of the few. So sacrifices were made voluntarily at all level of the company and ultimately the firm survived and prospered. Everyone benefited.

Its common knowledge that a large shipping firm also faced with a similar problem in the early 70’s went to its employee’s and request salary reductions and longer hours while the firm reorganized and fought its way out of dire straits. To a person everyone agree and a phoenix arose from the ashes and each staff member was awarded back pay and bonuses.

But I speak from a position of experience and maturity, you speak from a position of ignorance and short sightedness. Checkmate indeed you lack the intellect to even address this issue as anything other than a game a clear sign of stupidity. To you this is a matter of whether you are personally perceived as being correct, this is the tact of an egocentric dolt, mores the pity I for a moment I gave you credit for having at least the intelligence of a tree sloth, and you have proven me wrong. In a battle of wits you remain unarmed. Once I again I repeat for your benefit it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and erase all doubt.

Beyond that you bore me and I can see why your original opponent took the tone he did with you. So please remember your windex so that you may clean the windows on your bus when you leave it each day.

You need to clean a few windows yourself. The game comment was about our little jousting match and not the situation in Calif. You are a phantom, a faceless post, you can claim as I posted above that you gave back millions of time and saved 200 companies. There is no way to prove anything you say is true or correct, but you throw it out like its the word of god. Guess what, I nor anybody else is buying it. Then you too resort to name calling and use a handicap reference to try and insult me. That shows the readers what you really are. I believe you and the other poster are the same but there is no way to tell except for you writing style which is similar. I've seen that third paragraph before, its the same insults you said to lbltjag. You need to come up with better insults the ones you keep recycling are getting old.

[private sector]

When I read your self description as "over paid pigs" that is exactly what I have been saying. You don't take your government handout in pay you are the stupid guys who take it in firehouse welfare and then realize that you should have been out working to support your family instead of going to the firehouse. You pay 300 per year in taxes for something that may not show up when you call? I'll pay 600 to know that when I call 911 they will come. What are you guys going to do when it comes out how many people have died because of your mistakes or failure to respond. What would you call it when there is a 3rd call for an aided case for a cardiac call- I call it negligence bordering on criminal. When I call 911 and ask for the police they come when I call 911 and ask for an FD ambulance you lazy free loaders roll over and go back to sleep. Give me the over paid union... anytime over you losers.

Look Dik, don't assume I don't have a job just because I'm not part of your union thugs. You are right I am not a pig at the public trough like you, I work in the private sector and provide for myself and my family and still can afford to live on LI, always have always will. But due to the increased cost of medical coverage due to a bunch of slugs who make up injuries and then sue for damages (granted they're not ALL on your job) private compnaies have shifted much of those costs to workers. You'd know this if you had to earn a living like the rest of us. So after working two jobs to maintain my standard of living and spending time with my kids I STILL find time to volunteer. What have you done for your community without getting a paycheck? And drop the "how many people killed stuff" it's drama that isn't backed up by any verifiable statistics. The VFD's respond with good responses in the vast majority of areas and incidents. Now for your ignorance - the larger the group buying benefits the lower the cost, so the bill is a no brainer it allows vollies who either do not have benefits (mostly younger ones) or those who pay too much for them to but into the public group, this will decrease the cost to the rest of the memebers over time. Can you folow that logic? if not go ask your union delegate he'll explain in a way that you can post here where it will again sound stupid.

[Stick em up...]

Two Jobs and you still can't cut it. I decided along time ago that my family comes first. You still don't get it. You still hangout at the firehouse and instead of trying to better yourself, you want the volunteer fire department to come to your rescue. The death thing is very real- going back years, from the articles back when "the vollies" refused to pick up an aids patients. Between your 47 jobs, listen to your radio, and the amount of calls that go unanswered, mostly aided cases where lives are on the line. Yes, the auto accidents you guys cover, I have to say, it must be the glory. As far as community service, there are many many organization wheich serve the community but the volunteer FD are the only ones with a club house. Pull your head out of the sand, some day you will understand what I am talking about, right now your probably the head of so many firehouse committees you don't have time to understand. By the way, they are hiring school bus drivers for $14 bucks an hours and they will give you health benefits. So drop your mop and put away your bucket, there are better days ahead. You should probably get yourself some kind of education before your kids follow in your foot steps. Freeloader...

[Butt Wait]

You need to clean a few windows yourself. The game comment was about our little jousting match and not the situation in Calif. You are a phantom, a faceless post, you can claim as I posted above that you gave back millions of time and saved 200 companies. There is no way to prove anything you say is true or correct, but you throw it out like its the word of god. Guess what, I nor anybody else is buying it. Then you too resort to name calling and use a handicap reference to try and insult me. That shows the readers what you really are. I believe you and the other poster are the same but there is no way to tell except for you writing style which is similar. I've seen that third paragraph before, its the same insults you said to lbltjag. You need to come up with better insults the ones you keep recycling are getting old.

ah you're a friend and supporter of the LB Moron, Union Stooge Carpenters Union Scab, that explains your stupidity, moroninc ramblings, insinuation that you know what others think, insistance that you are correct and all other are wrong and most of all why you purchase Windex by the case. As I said you bore me...

[UnregisteredBS]

ah you're a friend and supporter of the LB Moron, Union Stooge Carpenters Union Scab, that explains your stupidity, moroninc ramblings, insinuation that you know what others think, insistance that you are correct and all other are wrong and most of all why you purchase Windex by the case. As I said you bore me...

You my friend are a true idiot. You say I insinuate things yet you assume I am a friend and supporter of lbltjag because I said that I had read your same old ramblings before while you were engaged in a pissing match with him. Truth is I do not know the man from LB but I have read his post and like most I am sure I agree with somethings he says and disagree with other things he post. Nice try though, I guess you figure if you pigeon hole me with him people will side with you because they hate him. I know your bored with me but somehow I am guessing you will respond to this post. Let see how long it takes you....Tick Tock

[don't donate]

OK now we know your parents were drunken ff's, this means you probably conceived after a drunken orgy of a party and most likely are still suffering the effects of fetal alchohol syndrome.

You want to use the hall then get off your fat ass and join. If not then simply don't donate. No big deal, shuit the hell up and don't answer the door. My fire tax is like $300 per year, a fraction of what it would be if the fd's went paid. so you know what i throw the ff's a few extra bucks each year to say thanks for keeping my tax bill down. i pay the school district close to $7000 per year and tapped for a minimum of $500 extra during the course of the year. And you know what our school district is avergae and that's being kind and I've never had a teacher come to anyones house at 3:00am to help with home work. So just shut up or die already.

You seem a little angry dear- take a deep breath and relax. My parents are well educated individuals who don't drink, however it is clear that you do. It appears you have pent up frustration, all of your posts are ignorant, unkind and misdirected. Try starting a hobby-nose picking doesn't count. Oh, btw, wtf is up w/the teacher comment?? Does not coralate to anything! You're dismissed.....

[Unregistered Dolt]

You seem a little angry dear- take a deep breath and relax. My parents are well educated individuals who don't drink, however it is clear that you do. It appears you have pent up frustration, all of your posts are ignorant, unkind and misdirected. Try starting a hobby-nose picking doesn't count. Oh, btw, wtf is up w/the teacher comment?? Does not coralate to anything! You're dismissed.....

The word you're searching for is “correlate” perhaps you should stay after for a few lessons in both spelling and grammar. Unless of course you are a grade school janitor, which, from all appearances reflects your highest level of education attained.

I love when little people use big words, it makes me smile, but they’ll be no star for you today little boy. Now run along and send your mommy back in.

SCHOOL IS IN SESSION BYOTCH…. LOL

[Unregistered Wowser]

You my friend are a true idiot. You say I insinuate things yet you assume I am a friend and supporter of lbltjag because I said that I had read your same old ramblings before while you were engaged in a pissing match with him. Truth is I do not know the man from LB but I have read his post and like most I am sure I agree with somethings he says and disagree with other things he post. Nice try though, I guess you figure if you pigeon hole me with him people will side with you because they hate him. I know your bored with me but somehow I am guessing you will respond to this post. Let see how long it takes you....Tick Tock

Your him, he is you, the left and right cheek of the same ass. My guess is you're also "don't donate". Actually in your case your name should be "Don't Donut" LOL

[Don't donate]

The word you're searching for is “correlate” perhaps you should stay after for a few lessons in both spelling and grammar. Unless of course you are a grade school janitor, which, from all appearances reflects your highest level of education attained.

I love when little people use big words, it makes me smile, but they’ll be no star for you today little boy. Now run along and send your mommy back in.

SCHOOL IS IN SESSION BYOTCH…. LOL


In probability theory and statistics, correlation, (often measured as a correlation coefficient), indicates the strength and direction of a linear relationship between two random variables. In general statistical usage, correlation or co-relation refers to the departure of two variables from independence. In this broad sense there are several coefficients, measuring the degree of correlation, adapted to the nature of data.

A number of different coefficients are used for different situations. The best known is the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient, which is obtained by dividing the covariance of the two variables by the product of their standard deviations. Despite its name, it was first introduced by Francis Galton.

I am not a janitor dear, although I think they are truly wonderful people who are the eyes and ears of any school district. And since you did not grasp the concept of my post (as evidenced in your obnoxious comprehension failure) you are dismissed. Btw- stick to one screen name you coward, we all know who you are.....oh and keep smiling, you do have a nice smile....

[uncivilservice]

Two Jobs and you still can't cut it. I decided along time ago that my family comes first. You still don't get it. You still hangout at the firehouse and instead of trying to better yourself, you want the volunteer fire department to come to your rescue. The death thing is very real- going back years, from the articles back when "the vollies" refused to pick up an aids patients. Between your 47 jobs, listen to your radio, and the amount of calls that go unanswered, mostly aided cases where lives are on the line. Yes, the auto accidents you guys cover, I have to say, it must be the glory. As far as community service, there are many many organization wheich serve the community but the volunteer FD are the only ones with a club house. Pull your head out of the sand, some day you will understand what I am talking about, right now your probably the head of so many firehouse committees you don't have time to understand. By the way, they are hiring school bus drivers for $14 bucks an hours and they will give you health benefits. So drop your mop and put away your bucket, there are better days ahead. You should probably get yourself some kind of education before your kids follow in your foot steps. Freeloader...

First let's leave families out of it, I'll assume you aren't as much of an ignorant A-hole at home as you are here.You shouldn't speak to education when you obviously can't read. I have no problem earning a good living and providing for my family the points I was making about two jobs was that A) I am not a lazy fraudulent civil service worker who bleeds our taxpayers for their inflated salaries, benefits and inappropriate retirements. B) Being selfless unlike a slob like you I still find time to help my community in a number of ways, the one I find to be the most compelling is the VFD. Sorry no mops, buses or hourly wages included but sorry that your hopes and wishes for more civile service jobs on LI aren't coming any time soon.

[lucky4us]

First allow me to post that I am not a volunteer ff or emt. I am simply a taxpayer who gets annoyed when the "donation drive" starts and these people knock on my door asking for a handout. ENOUGH! Many of my neighbors and I tell the person "our donation is included in our tax bill, goodbye" and close the door. You see, as a previous poster admitted, the "donations" pay for the big dinners and extra perks- yet we as taxpayers CANNOT use the hall, have a drink at the mahogany bar, get ice for a block party, etc. ONLY the volunteers can. Not fair, and I refuse to contribute an extra penny. No sour grapes here, I just think most taxpayers are fed up with giving money away to fund trips to Vegas. Perhaps someone should start a ff membership association- like asking for $10 a house- and that would entitle a homeowner to facility useage. Both of my parents were volunteer firefighters, I enjoyed many a drunken night at the "house". great guys & gals, but enough is enough.

Lucky 4 us that most residents aren't as ignorant or selfish as you. You pay on average 3-4 % of your local taxes for ALL fire service including county fire acedemy, marshalls office, fire prevention AND yes your local fire district. You pay 20% for police. You pay 60% for schools. I think your issue with taxes is misguided and you conuse them with fund drive funds. If you can't afford or don't think your local volunteers deserve it - don't contribute to fund drives. Unfortuately for you, you don't have that luxury with cops or teachers you must pay for ALL of their perks and you pay greatly for them. We don't get paid and our response is as good if not better than PD and our prfessionalism as as good as your average teacher. Think about it we're the best bargain you get on LI and yet people like you attack us. Don't worry even if you signed your name and address we'd still come as fast and care for you and your loved one's just like we do 24X7X365 for the rest of the community. That's what we do because we care, not because you donate or not. Don't believe everyting you read in newsday.

[Stick em up...]

First let's leave families out of it, I'll assume you aren't as much of an ignorant A-hole at home as you are here.You shouldn't speak to education when you obviously can't read. I have no problem earning a good living and providing for my family the points I was making about two jobs was that A) I am not a lazy fraudulent civil service worker who bleeds our taxpayers for their inflated salaries, benefits and inappropriate retirements. B) Being selfless unlike a slob like you I still find time to help my community in a number of ways, the one I find to be the most compelling is the VFD. Sorry no mops, buses or hourly wages included but sorry that your hopes and wishes for more civile service jobs on LI aren't coming any time soon.

I think it is coming faster than you think and it will be thanks to you guys. Like you said you are already paying 300 per year in taxes for a broken down system. I would rather pay 600, like I do for police service and know that it works. You realize that your pensions are already in jeopardy and the scammers, mostly firefighters, who sold them are in the wind. I'm assuming you realize that? What are you going to do then?
I admire your efforts to serve the community but why do the tax payers have to pay for your social life. Why would you ask people to donate money for trips, parties and jackets? I have been approached many times by firefighters asking to buy chances or drop money in a boot, they always had a fire truck to suggest that this money is for the fire department. Why not have on the bottom of your chances- "THE MONEY DONATED IS GOING TO PAY FOR MY FAMILY VACATION" If you did that, then there is no difference between you and a panhandler. So my thinking is, there is no difference. You use fire trucks in an attempt to distort the facts. Freeloader...

[You Really R A Moron]

I think it is coming faster than you think and it will be thanks to you guys. Like you said you are already paying 300 per year in taxes for a broken down system. I would rather pay 600, like I do for police service and know that it works. You realize that your pensions are already in jeopardy and the scammers, mostly firefighters, who sold them are in the wind. I'm assuming you realize that? What are you going to do then?
I admire your efforts to serve the community but why do the tax payers have to pay for your social life. Why would you ask people to donate money for trips, parties and jackets? I have been approached many times by firefighters asking to buy chances or drop money in a boot, they always had a fire truck to suggest that this money is for the fire department. Why not have on the bottom of your chances- "THE MONEY DONATED IS GOING TO PAY FOR MY FAMILY VACATION" If you did that, then there is no difference between you and a panhandler. So my thinking is, there is no difference. You use fire trucks in an attempt to distort the facts. Freeloader...

You claim the pensions are scams? Yet are you aware that once a department has fully funded their LOSAP plan they have the option of turning it over ot NYS for total and complete management. That's right NYS will take over a FD's pension plan and manage it. So are you now saying the state is corrupt? Aren't they the same people you want to take over Fire Services.

And $600 for the PD are you Kidding?
County Police = about $600
Police HQ's = $500 that's like $1,100

Fire Prevention = $25
Fire Dist = $300 that's like $325 those are facts not your BS

You don't want to donate DON'T, but shut the hell up, cause we'll still come to your house when you call us but we don't have to listen to your shit.

[Stick em up...]

You didn't go near the begging for donations comment and I know why. "The state will take it over"... hand out. Why don't you run down to social services and apply for welfare. If you can't make it as a bread winner, don't make your family suffer, you can get food stamps. What is the difference, you don't mind asking the public to pay for you social life.
You are a Freeloader!!!

[Unregistered tru dat]

You didn't go near the begging for donations comment and I know why. "The state will take it over"... hand out. Why don't you run down to social services and apply for welfare. If you can't make it as a bread winner, don't make your family suffer, you can get food stamps. What is the difference, you don't mind asking the public to pay for you social life.
You are a Freeloader!!!

you caught you wife, mother or daughter smoking a ff's bone didn't you?

that's why your so angry. you make about 3 dollars an hour over minimum wage as a mc donalds manager and you have a really tiny pecker right?

you found some ff's munching on the fuzzy lap flounder of a woman you care about and now your a bitter, window licking, butt pirate...

How sad for you. Hey maybe the FF's are spending the donations on your old lady... LOL Loser

[Stick em up...]

you caught you wife, mother or daughter smoking a ff's bone didn't you?

that's why your so angry. you make about 3 dollars an hour over minimum wage as a mc donalds manager and you have a really tiny pecker right?

you found some ff's munching on the fuzzy lap flounder of a woman you care about and now your a bitter, window licking, butt pirate...

How sad for you. Hey maybe the FF's are spending the donations on your old lady... LOL Loser

You guys always turn vulgar. I must have hit on a sore point, could it be that your no different than a panhandler asking the public to pay for your vacations. I figure you are just another misguided volunteer with anger management problems. I guess we start a firefighter anger management clinic, where you can also pick up your welfare check. Free loader...

[Unregistered tru dat]

You guys always turn vulgar. I must have hit on a sore point, could it be that your no different than a panhandler asking the public to pay for your vacations. I figure you are just another misguided volunteer with anger management problems. I guess we start a firefighter anger management clinic, where you can also pick up your welfare check. Free loader...

LOL You are a panic. You really are mentally disturbed. I mean that not as an insult but a diagnosis. How sad for you.

I'll bet that some days you just don't have the energy to chew through your restraints but if you ever get free or even a supervised weekeend pass you may want to visit a volunteer FD and get a clue of what really goes on.

If not then just pick up a case of Windex for that little yellow bus while you're out and about. My best to your old lady in the interim.

[URuninformed]

I think it is coming faster than you think and it will be thanks to you guys. Like you said you are already paying 300 per year in taxes for a broken down system. I would rather pay 600, like I do for police service and know that it works. You realize that your pensions are already in jeopardy and the scammers, mostly firefighters, who sold them are in the wind. I'm assuming you realize that? What are you going to do then?
I admire your efforts to serve the community but why do the tax payers have to pay for your social life. Why would you ask people to donate money for trips, parties and jackets? I have been approached many times by firefighters asking to buy chances or drop money in a boot, they always had a fire truck to suggest that this money is for the fire department. Why not have on the bottom of your chances- "THE MONEY DONATED IS GOING TO PAY FOR MY FAMILY VACATION" If you did that, then there is no difference between you and a panhandler. So my thinking is, there is no difference. You use fire trucks in an attempt to distort the facts. Freeloader...

Wrong again on all accounts. You pay alot more for police service than $600 and when was the last time you called them? What was their response time like? We beat them to MVA's, and aided cases all the time, so unless there are alot more armed robberies occuring than reported I'm not sure where they are, maybe there's a donut sale somewhere. And when they get to the scene B4 us (keep in mind they are all qualified in their acedemy as EMT's but NOT required to recertify) they usually do nothing but take a report and wait for us. They usually call us to transport drunks to the hospital rather than handling it themselves. So slow down or might get what your wishing for a much higher cost for a worse service. As far as pension I doubt FF are the only one's at risk right now, can you read, maybe you've heard of Companies like Lehman, Merril Lynch and AIG ??? In any case, I don't know a single FF who would quit if the pension plan failed, because none joined because of it. I can't speak for every Dept. but when we knock on your door we explain that our fund drive is "for the Men" and that we buy food, beverages, hats and shirts with it. If asked we explain clearly what the tax money is spent on as well. We don't take trips that could be construed as family vacations and very few of us attend training or seminars outside our county. The fund drive is a way for the public to say thanks for giving up time with your family to help with mine, thanks for getting out of bed in the wee hours on a February AM because my kid had a high temp., thanks for stopping the fire in the room of origin so I need to renovate rather than rebuild, thanks for the shows at the HS that might teach a few of the kids not to drink and drive, thanks for the hours you spend training and maintaining the equipment we trust to your care.... et al... and again THANKFULLY the vast majority of the public understand this is the reality and support us. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT !!!

[angermanaged]

You guys always turn vulgar. I must have hit on a sore point, could it be that your no different than a panhandler asking the public to pay for your vacations. I figure you are just another misguided volunteer with anger management problems. I guess we start a firefighter anger management clinic, where you can also pick up your welfare check. Free loader...

No sore point, your question was answered, but we get it that you can't read.
No vulgarity here, no anger, just surprise at your continued ignorance.
We don't have our hand out for anything, but we'll accept donations as a thank you for our services. I suggest you actually read your tax bill so that you can understand the costs you pay for all public services before you make more stupid claims. But lets be honest, you'd probably have to look at your Mom and Dad's tax bill because your ignorance level suggests that you have no skin in the game yourself. All you are worried about if the fund drive, like we've said repeatedly if you don't want to give DON"T, we'll still come to pick you up at Mom and Dad's when you fall off the ladder trying to put up the Christmas lights.

[Stick em up...]

No sore point, your question was answered, but we get it that you can't read.
No vulgarity here, no anger, just surprise at your continued ignorance.
We don't have our hand out for anything, but we'll accept donations as a thank you for our services. I suggest you actually read your tax bill so that you can understand the costs you pay for all public services before you make more stupid claims. But lets be honest, you'd probably have to look at your Mom and Dad's tax bill because your ignorance level suggests that you have no skin in the game yourself. All you are worried about if the fund drive, like we've said repeatedly if you don't want to give DON"T, we'll still come to pick you up at Mom and Dad's when you fall off the ladder trying to put up the Christmas lights.

Why do you have to have a fund drive?

[THANKS4SUPPORT]

Why do you have to have a fund drive?

As a way to ask our community for support so when we finish training and want to order pizza or standby at a local community event and want to buy the crew lunch or show our pride by wearing a hat or shirt, so that we have some munchies and drinks at the firehouse when we stand by during storms, and hang out during at night or weekends so that our response will be faster, that sort of thing that you'd prolly know nothing about.

Your next question will be why we don't pay for it ourselves, the answer is we often do, but again it's nice that the community says thanks by not requiring us to donate our money AS WELL AS OUR TIME. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR UNDERSTANDING. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, STOP BY YOUR LOCAL FIREHOUSE AND ASK WE"LL SHOW YOU AROUND AND HOW THINGS WORK - NO SECRETS NO B.S. - MAYBE YOU"LL DECIDE TO JOIN US AND HELP YOUR COMMUNITY, WE"D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

[Stick em up...]

As a way to ask our community for support so when we finish training and want to order pizza or standby at a local community event and want to buy the crew lunch or show our pride by wearing a hat or shirt, so that we have some munchies and drinks at the firehouse when we stand by during storms, and hang out during at night or weekends so that our response will be faster, that sort of thing that you'd prolly know nothing about.

Your next question will be why we don't pay for it ourselves, the answer is we often do, but again it's nice that the community says thanks by not requiring us to donate our money AS WELL AS OUR TIME. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR UNDERSTANDING. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT, STOP BY YOUR LOCAL FIREHOUSE AND ASK WE"LL SHOW YOU AROUND AND HOW THINGS WORK - NO SECRETS NO B.S. - MAYBE YOU"LL DECIDE TO JOIN US AND HELP YOUR COMMUNITY, WE"D BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

Well Said. Enjoy your day and stay safe!

[lardass]

I had no idea that's what the "donations" are for!! Now that I know, instead of making a monetary donation, I am going to buy and extra bag of carrots, celery and dip and drop it off at the firehouse! Thank you so much for letting us know you guys and gals were hungry....

[celery]

I had no idea that's what the "donations" are for!! Now that I know, instead of making a monetary donation, I am going to buy and extra bag of carrots, celery and dip and drop it off at the firehouse! Thank you so much for letting us know you guys and gals were hungry....

We vare all vagatarians, Thank you !

[Unregistered6666666667676]

who cares?