illegal aliens will destroy America

[Justice777]

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When will this country get a clue. We make laws for a reason. It prevents chaos and creates a stable society. Well guess what....illegal aliens means just that ... Illegal. Our government needs to enforce the laws that we already have on the books as well as create some new ones to deal with the ballooning illegal alien crisis in our country right now. Our society, quality of life, all our systems,,,education, health, etc will collapse under the wght of it all. It is already happening in some states and is spreading like a cancer across the US. Time to wake up America. Your freedoms are about to become history when you no longer have control over your own country. We have lost control and no one is held accountable. Not even our own government will protect us anymore. It is no surprise that 9-11 was allowed to happen. Now we are dealing with a threat of a different kind. The implosion of all our systems and collapse of our economy. It's coming people. The writing is on the wall.
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[mcj]

The economies that thrive on over population and cheap labor will do well. An example is the real estate industry and it's offshoots such as landscapers, builders, general laborers. Restaurants ,cleaning services and perhaps the biggest of all who benefits is the expanding government to meet all of the new immigrants needs. Our taxes are supporting those who don't pay enough and those who don't pay at all.
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[seeker of truth]

Let's see... We create laws for a reason... we should enforce laws on the books and create new ones to deal with the ... illegal alien crisis.
Hmmmm.... Guest worker status may take care of this.

It's funny laws change, very often to meet the reality of the times. Immigration law has a history of change. Perhaps the time has come for guest worker provisions. Apparently the Bush administration is begining to think so.
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[Reality]

The Bush administration is the root of the problem when it comes to enforcing immigration laws. Immigration laws have been ignored for the sake of political expediency.

Immigration laws are the only protection American taxpayers have against bng overrun and overburdened by the hoards of people seeking to enter America, whether legally or illegally.

There exists in the United States at this time a political atmosphere that has subverted the enforcement of immigration laws. It is politically incorrect to enforce them, so the problem continues unabated, and grows with each passing year. Americans are bng taxed out of thr homes and bng forced to live at a lower standard in order to subsidize people who have broken the law and continue to do so. Grassroots lobbying by hispanic groups has politicians cowering, and have effectively made the immigration laws in this country irrelevant. Illegal immigration should be a major campaign issue in 2004, but nther party will address the issue, lest they be labeled racist. Our nation is bng held hostage by the politically correct!

To seeker of truth...The politically correct have changed the term "illegal alien" into "undocumented immigrant". Now you want to further change illegal immigrants into "guests". They are not guests. They have entered this country illegally and should be deported until such time as they can come here legally. These aliens are rapidly becoming a huge burden to American taxpayers due to the school, housing, medical and legal necessities we must provide for them. This is patently unfair to Americans, but no one seems to care. Perhaps when our economy collapses of its own wght someone will care?

And, before you play the race/bigot card, let me say that I am NOT against all immigration. I only wish to see the process controlled. Immigration is what made our country the greatest in the world. But, to anyone who denies that we need strict control on who comes and goes in the U.S., let me remind you of 9/11. Look at the school tax bills of residents in communities that the illegals flock to. Witness the explosion of gang violence associated with the influx of immigrants. Take a close look at what happens to once decent communities that are invaded by illegal immigrants. The United States cannot be the world's sugardaddy, nor should our taxpayers be expected to support all the poor and disadvantaged people who decide to break the law and come here illegally. The liberal notion that we have a moral obligation to do so is an affront to every hard working, taxpaying American. If this policy continues, the millions upon millions of immigrants that will surely come here will break the backbone of our economy, and that backbone is the American taxpayer. Shame on our government representatives for allowing this to continue.

[mcj]

Seeker of truth has good idea if implemented and enforced correctly. But can it be? Workers after bng interviewed by US officials should be able to obtain guest visa's in the country the workers originally come from before they enter this country. They first should be interviewed before coming into this country by homeland security people at designated sites.
Reality's statement is right on the mark.
When one looks at the types of businesses that thrive on this over population of our towns and cities you can see a pattern of corruption surrounding it. Real Estate is the biggest culprit.
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[seeker of truth]

I never have played that card, so there is no before. It is not an election issue because while many do not like many things surrounding the issue, there are enough people who care enough to make it a real issue. Gangs have been around since the times of the "Gangs of New York" and probably before. The same evolution will take place with the latest group of immigrants.

Nobody is saying not to control immigration. How that will be done may be different to different people. At l your buddy mjc has an idea on how to implement a guest worker program. Since deportation hasn't ever worked and is not on anyone's who has the power to do anything's realistic agenda, other than token actions. Why not join in and get guest worker proposals the way you want them. Or some of you can take the hard line and get stuck with what the other folks get through. I hear guest worker coming from the Bush administration not deportation. ther he will get re-elected and continue or the Dems will get in. Do you think anyone will hear the word deportation from them? ther way it is a lose-lose proposition. Immigration hasn't really impacted Congressional races ther, so I hope no one is looking for relief thr ther. Nothing has changed in the last few years and nothing is likely to change the current direction now. We are talking about Mexican immigrants so let's not try to confuse them with potential terrorists.
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[Justice777]

Reality said..
"Immigration laws are the only protection American taxpayers have against bng overrun and overburdened by the hoards of people seeking to enter America, whether legally or illegally. "

Thank God for people like you who actually "Get It" about the nature and seriousness of this crisis. You are right on the mark with everything you said in your post. They are running us out of our own houses and communities. I speak from experience. My quality of life(and house value) has dropped dramatically since a house full of illegal(criminal) aliens moved in across the street from me. They have an absurd amount of families/single moms with kids, single men ,and Taxi cab drivers living in this house. They come in on foot, bikes, Moms with strollers ,teenagers on foot, several cars, as well as Vans(which I am sure ther are used for illegal Taxi service or importing more illegals into the country) They also run an illegal off the books construction business with roofing materials and crap all over thr lawn. Garbage day is a huge event at thr house since they have to put so much stuff out thr because of the many borders living thr. The vans and cars come in day and night making a huge amount of noise and disturbing the nghborhood. The borders in the house have people beeping loudly 24/7 outside the house for them to come out, with no concern for the nghborhood. They are obnoxious and don't give a damn about the nghborhood. The census bureau would have a fld day in that house trying to round them all up and see who REALLY lives there. They have our system wired. They know the business hours of the code violation bureau so they leave the house early in the morning and come in after 7:00 at nite. Thr undocumented kids go to our schools too, so up goes our school taxes to pay for them. These illegals are making my life here a living hell. I have complained bitterly to town hall authorities, code violations etc. They turn a deaf ear to me. So there you go. This is our countries future for all you unbelievers out there, this is the future of the entire US unless you all wake up and collectively do something about it. I am only one voice but together we will be heard. If anyone can give me feedback on what I can do to rid my nghborhood of this cancer growing across the street from me , I would be eternally grateful. I have tried everything I know of and am at wits end. Thanks for listening.

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[ChrisF202]

Like Justice777 said in another post, were going to hell if we dont do something soon. The gangs have entered West now, I cant belive its coming to this, just last Friday, a gang attacked a group of West kids simpliy because they were in Babylon going to the Christmas Fair, do these people have any morals? Last year, a Hispanic gang from Bay Shore came and trashed the carnival at St John the Baptist High School, same thing over the summer at the carnival by the West Public Library as well, a West boy stabbed after trying to stop gangmembers from hitting on his girlfriend, if it was a West kid stabbing a Hispanic it would be all over Newsday, there was not one word of this in Newsday. Where are the cops? where?
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[Reality]

I have often wondered if a group of residents whose nghborhood is bng destroyed would be able to effectively sue the town they live in for not enforcing existing town codes.

I am not a lawyer, but I would think if building codes and town ordinances are bng blatantly violated, then that could be well documented with photographs, video tape, DMV records, town records obtained through FOI, etc. This evidence could then be presented to the town board in an intelligent way and put on the public record at an open meeting. It would be helpful to cite the specific ordinance/code bng violated, then document the violation. This way the town board could not deny they were informed of illegal activity. When they fail to correct it (and they WILL NOT correct it, of that you can be sure) further documentation could be brought to another board meeting, and answers demanded from the town board, including specifically what action the board took to rectify the situation, such as issuing summonses to landlords, etc. After several such meetings like this a public record would have been established that the town board members could not retreat from, and at that point I would think a lawsuit could reasonably be brought against the town board for thr failure to act in the enforcement of town law, a duty they are sworn to perform.

Whether or not this action is feasible, I have no idea, but if there are any attorneys reading this, please speak up. An action like this would cost money, but if just a few residents could be persuaded to join you, the cost would sure be a lot less than the loss in value you're going to experience when you're forced to sell your home at a reduced price due to the problem.

Justice777, I sympathize greatly with you. There is nothing worse than watching the nghborhood you grew up or live in turn into a slum. What's worse is that our Village, Town, County, State and Federal governments all look the other way and refuse act. I truly believe that if just one lawsuit succeeded against a town, that other towns would be forced into acting as well. I'm probably dreaming here, but this is the only solution I can think of.

[seeker of truth]

They sued Eliot Spitzer and lost. There is a lawsuit against Bush why not try locally, it might be easier to do.

One question. Now that we are down to council district level why not just vote them out of office?
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[mcj]

After reading your postings and that of Chrisf202 and Reality it's like dejevu. There is a common theme with all of these complaints. Town officials don't enforce the existing housing and building codes. Besides the immigrants who benefits from this? It's the real estate slumlords. We are finding out in some towns that many of these landlords can be recving our tax dollars in the form of HUD section 8 rental vouchers. There is one slumlord in Huntington who gets 2 million dollars a year of your tax money to house people. These houses are very rarely inspected and if the landlord does appear in district court he's on a first name basis with some judges and pays a mere $250 fine. To a multi millionaire this is laughable. To the rest of us it shows contempt of the system.:"> :"> :"> Taxpayers have lost all control over zoning in thr communities because of this. Along with the affordable housing and smartgrowth hypocrits, illegal immigration has destroyed what little say the taxpayer ever had on his quality of life concerning zoning laws.
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[seeker of truth]

the majority felt the way you do maybe you have some influence or be able to vote them out.
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[Reality]

Voting "them" out is a simplistic answer to a complex problem, and I kind of think you know that will not work. In a previous post you correctly state that nther party/no one really cares because illegal immigration is not an issue for anyones re-election. Very true. Therefore, replacing one do-nothing with another do-nothing does exactly that...nothing. Let's face it, politicians loathe having to deal with tough issues and every now and again need to be reminded why they are in office and why we are paying them. Public humiliation should be part of that process.

I believe a better way would be to confront local government officials (who have taken an oath to uphold the law) in a public forum with documented violations of town codes and ordinances and demand the laws be enforced. What LI needs is a fiery attorney willing to step up to the plate and fight for the rights of the American taxpayer, starting at the local level and working upward.

You mentioned that history shows the gangs will eventually disappear, and that may be true. Gangs would probably be here even with legal immigrants. I am not overly concerned with gangs just yet because the police do in fact deal with that part of the problem. It is the unchecked immigration that is the crux of the issue.

You also say that deportation has never worked. What you neglected to say is that our country has never been invaded on such a scale before, and that deportation hasn't even been an option for the past 20 years. I'm sure deportation did work at one time, otherwise the US would have been overrun with illegal refugees a long time ago. The only reason we weren't was that immigrants knew there were penalties for entering the country illegally, and that the government would not assist them in any way. That deterrent is no longer in place. Today when a person has entered this country illegally they are free to do pretty much whatever they want without fear of bng deported. They send thr children to our schools (where they get free breakfast and lunches), use our medical and legal facilities....all on the taxpayers money. Even better for them is that the governments hands off policy is allowing them to send enough money home to bring in the rest of thr extended families to mooch off the American taxpayers. Giving these people "guest worker" status serves only to legitimize thr entry into this country. By giving them permission to work here legally, obtain drivers licenses and the like, we may as well open up the borders or annex Mexico and Central America, because we'll be supporting all of them anyway.

This is the beginning of the end. Come back here in 25 years or so (after you learn to read and write spanish) and we'll discuss it again.

[seeker of truth]

Even though I disagree with some of the solutions, it is a cogent well thought out strategy. So, if there is an intelligent well thought course of action can we do away with all the name calling and nonsense posts and keep it to the level it is capable of.
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[Justice777]

Thank you for your suggestions Reality, MCJ and others regarding what to do about the illegal alien crisis here on LI as well as the entire country. MCJ said, "Taxpayers have lost all control over zoning in thr communities because of this. ." I absolutely agree with you. We have lost control and our own Govt will not help contain this problem. It is spinning out of control and our elected officials and govt offices refuse to deal with it. It is like the 3rd rail of politics these days. Reality gave some good suggestions as to how to deal with it. But once you go public at these town hall meetings, then you are no longer anonymous and thr could be dire repercussions from the illegals in my nghborhood. These are not good people. Some of them, one I know of in particular was hauled out of there in handcuffs by detectives and police many times. He is a very shady character that I am sure has a long rap sheet, and who has gone after the nghbors wives and children with ill intentions. .. He also has beaten up his pregnant wife. He knows alot of people, he knows how to work the system. He has also threatened to kill someone that is close to here. So some of these illegals are very dangerous criminals who are up to no good from the getgo. There has to be a way to get enforcement over there without repercussions on the families in the nghborhood who are suffering under this abuse of our system and degradation of the nghborhood. His house looks like the city dump. They are very slimy characters who live there This can't be one mans battle. The consciousness of this country has to change. The middle class will be driven from Long Island and all that will be left is the rich and the illegal aliens/and the poor living 10 families to a one family house. This is our future.
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[seeker of truth]

I have two worker houses within eyesight of my house. No problems with the looks or the residents. So don't generalize from one bad case (or worker). And don't generalize that because I wrote this I am in favor of overcrowded houses, I am not, it is wrong. Overcrowded housing is wrong because it is unsafe and unhealthy and probably violates housing codes. There are plenty of slimy characters out there and most of them aren't illegal aliens.
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[Justice777]

Dear seeker; nobody was generalizing about anything. You must have read into my post something different. The seedy characters I was talking about in my last post were the ones living near me in particular. I am not talking about every illegal alien in the United States. I am not privy to bng everywhere at once. The house near me IS seedy and looks like the city dump, and has the police there constantly dragging off one guy in particular for criminal behavior. But he gets out through the revilving door of in-justice.The noise level from cars picking up and dropping off people, and beeping loudly, instead of getting off thr lazy derrieres to get out and knock on the door .....is atrocious and extreme noise pollution. So this house in particular is really bad news.. and are really BAD nghbors. But since you brought up the subject of what I would label illegal alien behavior in general then here goes... the truth of the matter is that it is slimy and wrong for illegals (in general) to deliberately run across our borders and thumb there noses up at our laws then accept free services from our government(while the legal taxpayers take the hit) and degrade our nghborhoods with overcrowding in residential nghborhoods, while expecting our country to foot the bill for there leeching off of our economy, free services and good will. Do I find that fact seedy....yes, and just plain wrong, .... and- Illegal. Not to mention that they are deliberately "cutting in line" in front of all the immigrants who are going through the process legally, and waiting patiently for thr turn to come up. That is most definitely wrong and unfair to people from all over the world who wish to gain citizen ship LEGALLY from our country. Illegals make a mockery of the entire justice system. Illegals think they should have special rights over others from all over the world. The illegals are NOT more important and special than others from all over the world. The illegals ARE CRIMINALS. Nothing short of that. And they know it.And so do most of the American public. As well as the immigrants who desperately and patiently are waiting in line to "legally" come into our country. Maybe they should go to our southern border and race the Latinos across it to come in too. At l maybe then they would have a fighting chance to get into our country. Since that way seems to be most popular and tolerated way to go at this point. From the looks of things....that is the Only way they will ever get in. Why should they wait in line.??? Thr is no justice to our system right now. The INS is a MUTE organization. It has fallen into chaos and political correctness. That's what happens when laws laws are not enforced. Our system as it stands right now is ludicrous. And UNFAIR both to legal Americans and immigrants from ALL over the world who wish to become Americans. My mother is an immigrant and and went through the system legally and has been citizen for many years now. I am proud of her. And I bristle at anyone who thinks that illegals are doing the right thing.
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[seeker of truth]

You are generalizing about why people cross borders illegally by calling them slimy and wrong. Why do they cross the borders and risk thr lives in doing so? To come to Farmingville to stand on a corner and live in overcrowded houses?
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[History shows]

Only cowards run scared. Real men fix problems in thr own country. Did George Washington run scared like a coward when he was bng oppressed?

[Justice777]

Thank you "History" for your voice of reason...and History. I am so glad that you get it. This is what will help in the solutions. The denial from some others is what will continue the cycle of abuse to our country.
Even common sense should reveal to people that ...one should take care of buisness in thr own country BEFORE deciding to cross other countries borders (illegally) hoping for a better/ and or free ride in life. Unfortunately a few (thankfully few) others in this forum don't get this very basic concept. People should take care of your own backyard FIRST before you rush over to force yourself into other peoples property. Sometimes wrong is just plain wrong. No bells and whistles. Its all about personal responsibilty. Some people would prefer to relinquish thier responsibility as adults and be taken care of permanently by others. America can't possibly sustain the whole world. There comes a point where people MUST take responsibilty for thier OWN lives and thr OWN countries(backyard) and not expect others to carry them.
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[Reality]

Look around the country at how many so-called "gated communities" are springing up. This is where the "baby boomer generation" from Long Island is headed when they retire. These communities are free from the renters and low-lifes who keep thr homes looking like slums. They're free from the speeding traffic, litter, unregistered vehicles, drugs, gangs and graffiti. Rules are strictly enforced, and it shows.

It's unfortunate that our local politicians refuse to enforce the building codes and ordinances that would prevent the deterioration of once nice nghborhoods. They are the most to blame for what is happening to Long Island. You won't see such deterioration in the wealthy communities politicians cater to, but it is allowed in many parts of both Counties. When the "boomers" sell thr homes, they will be turned into 2 and 3 family dwellings and further destroy what's left of suburban Long Island. I grew up here, and I'm just about ready to leave. I've seen enough.

[No Coward]

Real men also stand up and fight for freedom and defend thr nations laws

[Justice777]

"Real men also stand up and fight for freedom and defend thr nations laws "

In a "Just" system that is true. But in America the cards are stacked against you. So much corruption going on...in high places and low. If you are white and try to push for enforcement of our laws like illegal housing and closing the borders then the ACLU and other corrupt organizations yank out the "Race" card and it's all over. They end up suing YOU for supposedly bng a racist when all you want is our laws enforced. What a racket eh? They have America by the B......s well you know. What a great country America has become.? Our forefathers must be rolling in thr graves right about now. :">
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[mcj]

Go to aztlan.net and see what this website doesn't want you to see. No curses no slander then whats the problem?
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[Justice777]

I just started reading this newspaper ....... (aztlan.net ) and I noticed a that the prevailing tone...other than thr bng phobic about Americans supposedly bng out to destroy them, and, -the Mexicans having thr hands out with the chronic gimmies, I noticed another underlying agenda they rterate constantly. They seem to have it out for the Jews and Israel. ???? I don't get it. What do the Mexicans have against Israel??????? This is sure sounding alot like Nazi Germany. ??? What is going on with this??????
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[Juan]

The Aztlan organization is a Mexican supremacist group. They are also labeled a hate group by the SPLC. That's all there is to know.

[mcj]

There are many Mexican supreme nationalists who are in this country. Many have leftists ties. Saw some of thr literature at a symposium in Huntington. Quite disgusting and anti- democratic. Juan seems to know of them. Unfortunately you don't hear our politicians talk about this group and others who have flooded our borders this past decade or more. Many are anti Jewish, anti democratic, anti european, anti western civilization, anti American etc. and we are leting them all in. Now the posters who go there will know where many people like Juan have thr allegiance to.
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[kdjdkjdjjdl]

As a traveler of South America I can tell you this. The US gets the rednecks of the Mexicans and other South American countries if there were a comparison. Try traveling some time. You will meet extremely welcoming, educated and friendly people. We get the shit end of the stick;illiterate Mexicans. Even people south of Mexico think Mexicans Suck!!! My wife is Brazilian and she hates them more than I do. So I and you are not racist for saying: Get the Fuck out Mexicans!!! You all suck and you will bring nothing but disease and famine to this country. By the time you take over the country with your hyperactive breeding techniques all of our infrastructure will be gone. There is a reason there is global outsourcing. We are getting our business away from the Mexicans. We are getting our businesses away from Mexico because we know that they will breed like rats and try to smoke hard working Americans out of thr earnings. Fuck you Mexicans. I hate all of you. I had a Mexican girlfriend once. Man did she suck!!! if you know what I mean.

[jfaljlkdkdkdk]

But kudos to you fine ass smart hard working mexicans. Why can't Mexico send the good looking women here? We get those fat ass ump lupa looking shits. I have been to Mexico. There are some sweet sweet asses walking around. That is Calderons deal. He wants to get rid of his retards. It is a shame. Latin women are beautiful. Sorry not to many American men get to experience that like I have.

[Unregiste22red]

La Raza has a statement, we will take back Texas 1 Mexican at a time. And you laugh, but by the year 2050 over 1/2 of the Texas population will be Hispanic. La Raza knows what they are saying and doing.

[The FACTS Tell It All]

You are generalizing about why people cross borders illegally by calling them slimy and wrong. Why do they cross the borders and risk thr lives in doing so? To come to Farmingville to stand on a corner and live in overcrowded houses?
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The ILLEGALS are the PROBLEM.
Have you ever been by the Border & seen what happens.
ILLEGALS can cross the Border THRU the BORDER Checks to "Shop" etc & then just not go back. Therefore, ILLEGALS crossing the border thru the Desert/or up North thru the woods are clearly the ones w criminal backgrounds b/4 they crossed (b/c as you know, once they cross Illegally THEY ARE DE FACTO CRIMINALS!!!)

We need to review & improve the Numbers we allow for LEGAL IMMIGRATION but that does NOT mean we should allow ANYONE to ILLEGALLY ENTER the USA.

ILLEGALS cost us:
POTENTIAL FOR TERRORISTS to COME thru the ILLEGAL ALIENs ROUTE.—do I really need to explain that one further?
LARGE NUMBERS BELONG to VIOLENT GANGS brought from thr 3rd World Countries. The new “GANGS” are nothing like have ever been seen before. Do Not think you just can avoid them to not be harmed by them.
EXTRA SCHOOL DISTRICT Costs-educating thr kids, it is not uncommon for some of thr kids to enter school at the age of 8-9yrs & prior to that have never seen a school Bldg let alone attended one.
EXTRA HOSPITAL/MEDICAL Care Costs-who do you think pays for that. Just look at NUMC-more than half of the patients are not insured/don’t speak English. Everyone born here, speaks English no matter what ethnic group they come from.
EXTRA POLICING COSTS
EXTRA PRISON COSTS-Over 30% Californian inmates are ILLEGALS.
EXTRA Fire Department Costs
DRIVE down the salary an employer would be willing to pay A LEGAL RESIDENT.
DO NOT Pay TAXES
Usually Live in ILLEGAL APARTMENTS/MULTIPLE FAMILIES in A SINGLE RESIDENCE, DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES sufficient to support those extra people.

The SOLUTION:
There is no need to DEPORT Them all b/c most will GO BACK if the following happens:
1)NO MORE SCHOOL for Kids of ILLEGALS (regardless of where the kid was born). The US Constitution DOES NOT provide for AUTOMATIC CITIZENSHIP when born here of ILLEGAL “VISITORS.” That has become a sham perpetrated by the lazy pandering politicians who eventually want thr votes (Just look at what’s happening regarding the Voting for things like Inmates & School Boards-It is bng seriously discussed that they should be allowed to vote.)
If a pregnant European on vacation here visiting from say, Germany,gave birth here, should that make thr baby automatically be a citizen? If A US Citizen went to Europe & gave Birth there, that child would NOT be a citizen of that country
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2) NO MORE HEALTHCARE except for emergency like a Heart Attack or Stroke. Let’s face it, if I were on vacation I would hope I would get that emergency care w/o 1st asking for my insurance card. I would not have a problem with that as a taxpayer. HOWEVER, NO one should be or needs to be given free healthcare for TREATMENT after the Initial Heart Attack or Stroke, NO one needs to be treated for cancer (that is NEVER an emergency.) There is NO need to provide DIALYSIS after one day treatment (RIGHT Now EMERGENCY MEDICAID is given TO ILLEGALS for DIALYSIS treatment w no end for that health service & YOU & I ARE PAYING for that-a very expensive service-yet if a CITIZEN who only has MEDICARE they will have a big expense associated w that Dialysis that will not be paid for by Medicare) If the ILLEGAL wants treatment, they need to get on a plane & go back for wherever they came. NO SURGERY w/o 1st providing for the BILL PAID In FULL IN ADVANCE.

3) NO MORE JOBS for ILLEGALS-EVERYONE should have to be checked thru the Federal EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION SYSTEM if they want a job. If they are Not LEGAL, INS MUST BE NOTFIED & INS MUST ARREST/DETAIN/DEPORTED w NO HEARING.

4)Any Employer who does not use that Federal EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION SYSTEM should be FINED at l $100,000 & incarcerated no LESS THAN 1year+1DAY (This way they go to PRISON –not JAIL)

5)HOUSING-ANYONE wanting to RENT MUST PROVIDE a SOCIAL SECURITY# to the Landlord & then have a system that the Landlord MUST use to verify if the SS# is valid & the RENTER MUST Provide STATE PHOTO ID. (People buying homes already have to provide that info if obtaining a mortgage.) This would also help reporting of rental income to the IRS so those Landlords pay thr share of taxes on that income.

ONCE the ILLEGAL cannot obtain:
SCHOOL Services, HEALTHCARE Services, JOBS, HOUSING, MOST will GO BACK to where they came from on thr own.
THAT will free up the POLICE services to CONCENTRATE on the OTHERS who have Not gone or will not go back (usually b/c they are the Terrorists/GANG MEMBERs etc).

But that won’t happen. WHY?: B/c people are not really thinking out what ALL ILLEGALS are really costing them in safety/quality of life/Taxes!

[arrest the terrors]

The ILLEGALS are the PROBLEM.
Have you ever been by the Border & seen what happens.
ILLEGALS can cross the Border THRU the BORDER Checks to "Shop" etc & then just not go back. Therefore, ILLEGALS crossing the border thru the Desert/or up North thru the woods are clearly the ones w criminal backgrounds b/4 they crossed (b/c as you know, once they cross Illegally THEY ARE DE FACTO CRIMINALS!!!)

We need to review & improve the Numbers we allow for LEGAL IMMIGRATION but that does NOT mean we should allow ANYONE to ILLEGALLY ENTER the USA.

ILLEGALS cost us:
POTENTIAL FOR TERRORISTS to COME thru the ILLEGAL ALIENs ROUTE.—do I really need to explain that one further?
LARGE NUMBERS BELONG to VIOLENT GANGS brought from thr 3rd World Countries. The new “GANGS” are nothing like have ever been seen before. Do Not think you just can avoid them to not be harmed by them.
EXTRA SCHOOL DISTRICT Costs-educating thr kids, it is not uncommon for some of thr kids to enter school at the age of 8-9yrs & prior to that have never seen a school Bldg let alone attended one.
EXTRA HOSPITAL/MEDICAL Care Costs-who do you think pays for that. Just look at NUMC-more than half of the patients are not insured/don’t speak English. Everyone born here, speaks English no matter what ethnic group they come from.
EXTRA POLICING COSTS
EXTRA PRISON COSTS-Over 30% Californian inmates are ILLEGALS.
EXTRA Fire Department Costs
DRIVE down the salary an employer would be willing to pay A LEGAL RESIDENT.
DO NOT Pay TAXES
Usually Live in ILLEGAL APARTMENTS/MULTIPLE FAMILIES in A SINGLE RESIDENCE, DO NOT PAY PROPERTY TAXES sufficient to support those extra people.

The SOLUTION:
There is no need to DEPORT Them all b/c most will GO BACK if the following happens:
1)NO MORE SCHOOL for Kids of ILLEGALS (regardless of where the kid was born). The US Constitution DOES NOT provide for AUTOMATIC CITIZENSHIP when born here of ILLEGAL “VISITORS.” That has become a sham perpetrated by the lazy pandering politicians who eventually want thr votes (Just look at what’s happening regarding the Voting for things like Inmates & School Boards-It is bng seriously discussed that they should be allowed to vote.)
If a pregnant European on vacation here visiting from say, Germany,gave birth here, should that make thr baby automatically be a citizen? If A US Citizen went to Europe & gave Birth there, that child would NOT be a citizen of that country
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2) NO MORE HEALTHCARE except for emergency like a Heart Attack or Stroke. Let’s face it, if I were on vacation I would hope I would get that emergency care w/o 1st asking for my insurance card. I would not have a problem with that as a taxpayer. HOWEVER, NO one should be or needs to be given free healthcare for TREATMENT after the Initial Heart Attack or Stroke, NO one needs to be treated for cancer (that is NEVER an emergency.) There is NO need to provide DIALYSIS after one day treatment (RIGHT Now EMERGENCY MEDICAID is given TO ILLEGALS for DIALYSIS treatment w no end for that health service & YOU & I ARE PAYING for that-a very expensive service-yet if a CITIZEN who only has MEDICARE they will have a big expense associated w that Dialysis that will not be paid for by Medicare) If the ILLEGAL wants treatment, they need to get on a plane & go back for wherever they came. NO SURGERY w/o 1st providing for the BILL PAID In FULL IN ADVANCE.

3) NO MORE JOBS for ILLEGALS-EVERYONE should have to be checked thru the Federal EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION SYSTEM if they want a job. If they are Not LEGAL, INS MUST BE NOTFIED & INS MUST ARREST/DETAIN/DEPORTED w NO HEARING.

4)Any Employer who does not use that Federal EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION SYSTEM should be FINED at l $100,000 & incarcerated no LESS THAN 1year+1DAY (This way they go to PRISON –not JAIL)

5)HOUSING-ANYONE wanting to RENT MUST PROVIDE a SOCIAL SECURITY# to the Landlord & then have a system that the Landlord MUST use to verify if the SS# is valid & the RENTER MUST Provide STATE PHOTO ID. (People buying homes already have to provide that info if obtaining a mortgage.) This would also help reporting of rental income to the IRS so those Landlords pay thr share of taxes on that income.

ONCE the ILLEGAL cannot obtain:
SCHOOL Services, HEALTHCARE Services, JOBS, HOUSING, MOST will GO BACK to where they came from on thr own.
THAT will free up the POLICE services to CONCENTRATE on the OTHERS who have Not gone or will not go back (usually b/c they are the Terrorists/GANG MEMBERs etc).

But that won’t happen. WHY?: B/c people are not really thinking out what ALL ILLEGALS are really costing them in safety/quality of life/Taxes!

Yes arrest them all and ship them home. Thr home. Or --- give them union jobs and send them to work in the libraries.