View Full Version : Saddam is caught- EAT CROW liberals, the war is over!
Georgia Republican
12-15-2003, 12:04 PM
THANK YOU MR. BUSH ! !
We are finally safe, abroad and at home now! Saddam can never hurt us again!
With Saddam gone all that is left is for George W. Bush to eradicate the social programs you bedwetting liberals love so much, and he will FINISH that job after he is RE-ELECTED! And mark my words, HE WILL be re-elected NOW! So if caring for the elderly, the poor and the sick is so important to you people go move to Canada, Scandinavia or some place in Europe and move in to your warm fuzzy community there! Because you won't find it here - YOUR idea of America is over - OUR AMERICA is back and HERE TO STAY now, traditional values and all !
EAT CROW you leftwing social-program loving liberals!
Billybob
12-15-2003, 12:25 PM
This really points out how humor is the best political message.
Georgia Republican
12-15-2003, 12:51 PM
Hope you have that humor when George W. Bush wins in '04.
American Patriot
12-15-2003, 06:27 PM
Saddam is in the bag, Bin Ladden is next, The Mid knows not to Mess with the US.The Economy is growing
Four more years For George W.
Saddam Starts talking and the truth shall set you free
Dan Rather on Sunday morning was visibly not at all happy because he knows he and his other bais liberal media buddies can't attack Bush on the war!!!
The war is over in the mid and with the liberal media and they both lost.
NAKED TRUTH
12-15-2003, 07:31 PM
Yes folks it is true God is on the side of the Americans.
Thank you Mr. Bush for having the guts to stand up to the UN, media, the liberals and all of the towel heads running around yelling hate America. If the Mid did not have Oil they would be back in the Middle ages.
By the way can any one tell me what invention ever came out of the industrial revolution in the Mid ?
Oh Yea they did not have an industrial revolution yet!!
Yes folks if it was not for the USA, Great Britain, Aus. NZ, Canada and thr military where would this world be?
Take a good look at Africa today, The Mid , South America, China, Russia, The Balkans just stop killing each other and plenty of others too long to list. What a mess!!!
It takes The USA and a strong president to clean things up.And by doing this we Keep America Safe another day. What a world we live in folks
Allie62
12-16-2003, 02:02 AM
December 14, 2003
Model For Toppled Statue Found
Found While Posing For Sculpture Of Man In Deep Hole
The model who was the basis for the famous Baghdad "Toppled Statue" was located today in what authorities call a "hole."
"It's really great," said Paul Bremer. "I'm pretty sure we'll have democracy inside of a week now."
Iraqis greeted the news with jubilation, and announced that they would now "get rid of all these warring tribes and factions," convert to Christianity, and form a stable democracy tomorrow.
"I'm really impressed," said Jorge Ipliano, a U.S. expert and consultant on terrorism. "It's amazing how quickly we can subdue and capture a castrated dictator."
The U.S. expects the entire Middle region to stabilize by week's end, and terrorism to disappear from the planet as late as Thursday.
Credit to Tom Burka
wookibender
12-16-2003, 04:44 PM
Quote:We are finally safe, abroad and at home now!
How amazingly brainwashed you are to believe you are now safe here at home and abroad. What news have you been reading that indicates you and our troops are now safe? Do you feel safe going to a middle ern country right now and proclaiming to the people you are an American. I think not.
Just more Republican brainwashed idiots who think this war with IRAQ will make them safe. You are clueless.
Quote:With Saddam gone all that is left is for George W. Bush to eradicate the social programs you bedwetting liberals love so much
Social Programs? Tell me just one (1) budget that George Bush has vetoed. Come on, just one..... I think not... Again, more brainwashing of the Republicans. You must watch a lot of FOX News don't you?
Quote:And mark my words, HE WILL be re-elected NOW!
You have not seen "Truth Uncovered" Yet have you.
You think Clinton looks like an ass when he askes for the definition of "what is" really means. Watch this video... it will make you all look like complete brainwashed idiots.
www.truthuncovered.com/
There is a nice trailer for you to watch to get an idea. Watch this video and you will be asking yourself why Bush is not impeached yet.
Quote:So if caring for the elderly, the poor and the sick is so important to you people go move to Canada, Scandinavia or some place in Europe and move in to your warm fuzzy community there!
Now this just reeks of stupidy. I don't even know how to comment.
Quote:Saddam can never hurt us again!
When did he hurt us? The Reagan administration are the ones that gave Saddam all the chemical and biological weapons to kill the kurds and Iranians. Are you too stupid to figure that out.
Quote:the war is over!
It has only just begun. And terrorism is even worse now with us going into IRAQ with no real reason except to liberate the people that we helped put in this mess.
ther you are an undercover Liberal trying to make Republicans look like complete idiots, or you really are just a complete brainwashed idiot.
Quote:Dan Rather on Sunday morning was visibly not at all happy because he knows he and his other bais liberal media buddies can't attack Bush on the war!!!
hell we can't attack on this IRAQ war. Catching Saddam does nothing to justify the lies told by the Bush admin about the reasons for this war. Again, go to www.truthuncovered.com and see for yourself all the lies. This is not a liberal viewpoint. It is from a government viewpoint of CIA, FBI and Weapons inspectors giving there honest assessment of the lies told to the American people to justify this war.
And lastly,
Remember, this great military you give PRAISE to for catching Saddam was Clinton's military that all you Republicans think was gutted by Clinton. It looks like they did just fine by me. Do you see a problem with the Military, except for George Bush giving them reduced pay?
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Realist
12-16-2003, 06:13 PM
WOW!!!!! We captured the former dictator of a third world crap hole!!!!! Well I know that I'm gonna sleep better at night. Saddam isn't gonna send his terrorists into my nghborhood to kill my friends now.
Thanks Dubya!!!!!!!
Oh Saddam, while they are interrogating you, make sure you mention all of Dubya's supporters that sold you weapons materials over the last twenty years.
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midgetbones
12-18-2003, 06:06 AM
"And lastly,
Remember, this great military you give PRAISE to for catching Saddam was Clinton's military that all you Republicans think was gutted by Clinton. It looks like they did just fine by me. Do you see a problem with the Military, except for George Bush giving them reduced pay? "
The military was gutted by Clinton. Reduced pay???? HA! I guess getting $400 more on your pay check for each kid you own is reduced pay. So what branch are you in? What training have you undergone to make the statment that Clinton did not in fact screw the military. Mind you this is the same military that Clinton turned a cold shoulder to in Somalia. He could care less about the military and those who serve in it.
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Quote:We are finally safe, abroad and at home now! Saddam can never hurt us again!
Again?
Quote:So if caring for the elderly, the poor and the sick is so important to you people go move to Canada, Scandinavia or some place in Europe and move in to your warm fuzzy community
Yeah, f*ck the poor, the elderly and the sick. We wanna kill people who don't look like us in far away countries! Traditional republican values!
Yeah, you sure caught Saddam! Well, you got lucky when he was handed to you on a plate. But apart from that, great work! Idiots! You didn't catch him, you bought him. Like our "allies" are bought. Or did you really think anyone outside of this country actually likes us?
Clintonista
12-26-2003, 03:02 PM
11 dead Americans since Monday!
we're SOOOO much safer now.
when are you going to wake up?!
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LukeJV
12-31-2003, 04:20 AM
I'm a little confused. I thought America defied the United Nations and started a war that, from my understanding of the issue, was not wanted by the then majority of Americans and indeed the world to find Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). So far, and I'm not saying they never will, nobody has found any WMD. Why is anyone rubbing liberalists noses in the fact Saddam has been caught. If he had no WMD anyway, it doesn't really seem like he could have hurt America in any case. So when Georgia Republican said "We are finally safe, abroad and at home now! Saddam can never hurt us again!" Can I just ask what he "did" to you in the first place??
LukeJV
12-31-2003, 05:12 AM
According to Noam Chomsky, the only known connection between the attack on Iraq and the threat of terrorism was the fact that the invasion of Iraq actually increased the threat and caused a sharp increase in Al Qaeda recruitment. Kind of makes the "war on terror" seem like a bit of a backwards step to me.
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02-24-2004, 06:25 PM
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azellyn
03-30-2004, 07:13 PM
Oh yeah! The American casualties in Iraq total 600 and you guys are busy gloating and joking about it. It's hilarious. You were right. It's over.
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The MOle
03-31-2004, 09:50 AM
Oh Yeah, Mr. Bill Clinton never killed any innocent civilians. You people only point out the bad and give no credit when credit is due. This fantasy world you people live in of love everyone, having no rules for anything, is so far off from reality that it's really scary and worrisome that people like you exist and actually want to be taken seriously. I would love to see you people in the hands of a Saddam, or any-other violent terrorist, in those Islamic countries. How much sympathy or compassion you think that they would have for you. They could care less, they would skin your alive and then decapitate you when thr done torturing you if you didn't see things thr way. I would love for you people then to scream out for your human rights and the other garbage you pull here and get away with. It's funny though how you guys never, ever point out the flows and mistakes of politicians that you guys worship and adore, Bill Clinton bng one of them. Those issues are kept on the hush, hush. So stop bng hypocrites and try to make some sense on these serious issues we are facing in today's world.
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The MOle
03-31-2004, 09:58 AM
By the way, nice pictures. It really goes to show how serious you people are and especially sensitive you are when it comes to the death of our American troops that you find it necessary to post those types of illustrations to make your empty, warped, narrow minded comments.
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azellyn
03-31-2004, 11:53 AM
At l we have the courage to look at them. Your courageous pRetzeldent is blacking out all coverage of thr deaths. I guess it's easier to condone the deaths of 600 people when you don't have to face the reality of body bags.
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03-31-2004, 12:20 PM
Quote:Your courageous pRetzeldent
You're kidding, right?
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03-31-2004, 07:12 PM
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The MOle
04-01-2004, 04:36 AM
Oh yeah it takes so much courage to look at the dead bodies of our American soldiers. Wow, you are so brave, that you could look at those pictures and find them amusing. It takes even more courage to use does images for humorous reasons to make your twisted points. It's great to know that there are courageous Americans like yourself that love this country so much.
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azellyn
04-01-2004, 04:55 AM
Actually, there's no humor in those pictures or cartoons--instead, there's irony and sarcasm. It's a shame that the truth has to be told on comedy shows and through cartoons but that's what happens when a democracy sells it media and that media won't cover the issues. Entertainment has been used as a way to play out political and social issues throughout history.
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Azellyn This time You Rea
04-01-2004, 09:39 AM
I don't care what point you are trying to make with that ridiculous picture. You have no clue what it is to see a dead American soldier so don't even sit there and point fingers at President Bush and posting your bull @#%$ on this site. You have truly shown your colors and it is disgusting. There are other ways to make points and this is definatly not one of them. If you had any clue how this is offensive to those of us that have experienced the death of a fellow brother in arms you would be ashamed of your post. Such a childish post Azellyn.
Fed Up
04-01-2004, 04:08 PM
If you had any clue how offensive it is to those of us that have an IQ over 60, to see that chimp from Texas hiding the reality of the 600 body bags HE filled, that have been flown into Dover AFB, you would be ashamed of your post. Such an obscene post midgetbones.
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azellyn
04-01-2004, 04:38 PM
Quote:?The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole.
Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.?
Theodore Roosevelt from the Kansas City Star
May 7, 1918
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04-01-2004, 04:44 PM
midgetbones
04-02-2004, 10:11 AM
did you see those body bags when they were flown in? No, you didn't. I did, once in Dover and the other in Germany on the way to Iraq.Did you sit there and witness death first hand in Iraq? No. You didn't.I can tell by your ignorant post. But yes "fed up", I did witness all these things. Your self proclaimed knowledge is nothing without experience. All you know is what you read in books and newspaper articles. I really think you could care less about the people that fought and are fighting in Iraq and you certainly do not care about the ones that have died in Iraq. This shows from you supporting cartoons that make light of my fellow brothers in arms that died in this war. . Love your freedom kid because it is the people's death that you are mocking that keep you free.
As for bng critical of the President. You are right. Point the fingers all you want. But try using tact when trying to make a point.
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Fed Up
04-02-2004, 03:51 PM
A few facts first. How could I see the body bags? Bush won't let the media anywhere near Dover. I don't know what self-proclaimed knowledge you are talking about. For that matter, no one else does ther. I said that I find it offense and obscene that you harass people who condemn Bush for hiding the reality of 600 dead American soldiers. You talk about my experience, but you know nothing about me. I have seen people die. Some of them died very violently. You have no idea what or who I care about. I do not take lightly of the deaths of American soldiers. I have not mocked anything. Do not twist my words. Bush sent those soldiers to thr deaths. He did not do it to protect a single American life. He did to settle a score. If you need to be angry, you should focus your anger at the source - George W. Bush. Not he people who are critical of his actions. Iraq didn't attack us, Al Qaeda did. Don't talk about tact. Because it is something you know NOTHING about. I did not insult the other posters - YOU DID. I did not make feeble attempts at hiding my use of expletives - YOU DID. And I did not imply that other people should not post on this site - YOU DID.
Now my opinion. You are a timid little sheep. Your words bring disgrace to the military uniform you once wore, because of your attempts to stifle the constitutional right of free speech. One of the same rights you once swore to defend. You are appalled by the deaths of your brothers and sisters in uniform, yet you lack the spine to stand up to those who caused thr unnecessary deaths. You are afraid to stand up to the true criminals because it is not popular. You would have made a great soldier in the SS. A brave man among your peers, but a coward among those you despise. You are a sociological dinosaur. You and your ilk will soon be extinct. And not a moment too soon.
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Fed Up
04-02-2004, 04:04 PM
One more thing midgetbones. Don't refer to me as "kid". I'm old enough to be your father. Maybe your grandfather.
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NYIndependence
04-02-2004, 04:23 PM
Quote:To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile
I completely agree with Roosevelt. You are certainly within your rights to do so, but you could be a little more grown-up. And by grown-up I mean have an original thought besides posting a picture or an article or cartoon. It also means debating relevant policy decisions instead of calling him a "chimp" or posting unflattering pictures of him.
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04-02-2004, 07:38 PM
Quote:Iraq didn't attack us, Al Qaeda did.
Abu Nidal was a wing of the Ba'ath Party. Look it up, my man.
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semper fi
04-02-2004, 08:00 PM
dont let these elitists leftists liberal scum of the earth get you down.
There time is coming and it won't be pleasant for them.
Just the facts
04-02-2004, 08:52 PM
The Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) is an international terrorist group that has been sponsored by Syria, Libya, and Iraq. It is NOT a wing of the Ba'ath party. Perhaps if you had actually done some real research on ANO, instead of reading NewsMax, you would know this. That some of the participants in the 9/11 attacks MAY have had ties to the Abu Nidal organization is irrelevant. Don't twist the facts to fit your perverted sense of reality. No credible intelligence agency in the world, will state that ANO had anything to do with 9/11. The Iraq - 9/11 link was BS when Bush tried to sell it. IT is still BS.
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04-03-2004, 05:42 AM
The type of Islamists are radical yet deadly. They are master of disguises and proficient liars. They are supported world wide by millions.
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NYIndependence
04-03-2004, 07:32 AM
I don't read Newsmax. I do, however, read a bastion of conservatism known as Slate. Perhaps you've heard of Christopher Hitchens. slate.msn.com/id/2097901/
ANO was an al-Qaeda affiliate. While ANO specifically had no direct ties to 9/11, your charge that they should not be held responsible is like saying we can only attack an enemy's army, but not thr navy. While that navy may not have attacked us, I can assure you they are just as anxious to bring us harm as the army.
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Just the facts
04-03-2004, 02:46 PM
Excerpted from Jane's Intelligence Review, August 1, 2001
OSAMA BIN LADEN AND THE AL QAEDA GROUP
"Most of Al-Qaeda's membership is drawn from the two Egyptian groups: Islamic Group of Egypt (Gamaya al Islamiya) and Egyptian Islamic Jihad (Al Gamaya Al Islamiya). Khamareddine Kherbane, an Afghan veteran, was close to both the GIA and Al-Qaeda leaderships. Two Algerian groups, the GIA of Antar Zouabri and the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat - GSPC) of Hassan Hattab developed ties with Al-Qaeda early on, but large-scale penetration of Algerian groups came in 1997-8. Bin Laden also cemented ties with Jaish Aden Abin al Islami of Yemen, and members of several small Islamist parties from Tunisia, Libya, Morocco and elsewhere also joined. With the exception of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) and the Abu Sayaaf Group (ASG), Al-Qaeda links with Asian Islamist groups, notably those fighting in Kashmir, developed in the second half of the 1990s. Other Al-Qaeda constituent or affiliated organizations include al Jamaa essalafya lid Daawa wal Qit al, in Nahda, Sipah e Sahaba Kashmir, Hizb-al-Islami in Kashmir, Harakat ul Mujahjideen and Harakat-ul Jihad in Kashmir, Hizbullah in Lebanon, Hamas in the Occupied Territories and the Islamic Party of Turkistan."
No mention of ANO in any of this, or any other unbiased terrorist information resource. In fact, the ANO/Iraq/Al-Qaeda links reported by the Bush administration have all been discredited or retracted. You had better check your facts again, especially considering that you cited a biased ("bastion of conservatism") source.
As for your enemy Army/Navy analogy, it too is flawed. To the average reader, debunking the Abu Nidal/Al Qaeda link would seem to invalidate your analogy, but even if there were a link between the organizations, the analogy is still erroneous on its face. Nther organization is a nation, let alone the same nation. They have no mutual defense arrangements. Nor do the have interlinking support. Using your logic, we would be justified in attacking every organization and country that ever provided any material support to Al Qaeda or its principals. I guess that means we would have to include ourselves too. Since we supplied a tremendous amount of support to Bin Laden during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
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NYIndependence
04-04-2004, 03:50 PM
Quote:You had better check your facts again, especially considering that you cited a biased ("bastion of conservatism" source.
[sigh] Apparently sarcasm is no match for stubborn ignorance.
Further evidence of Iraq's ties to bin Laden and the 1993 WTC Bombing are found in this editorial by a former Clinton staffer:
www.opinionjournal.com/ex...=110004906
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azellyn
04-04-2004, 05:52 PM
There is no connection between Saddam and 9/11. Also, why are all of your sources biased conservative think tanks. Why not get an unbiased source to prove your point? I'll tell you why you can't do that...there aren't any. Because it's rubbish, and they won't touch it with a ten foot pole.
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NYIndependence
04-05-2004, 03:30 AM
Since when is Slate a conservative source? Christopher Hitchens is a Trotskyist! And that WSJ editorial was written by a former Clinton advisor. How about reading them first? What a novel idea!
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midgetbones
04-05-2004, 11:00 AM
"I said that I find it offense and obscene that you harass people who condemn Bush for hiding the reality of 600 dead American soldiers."
This I was wrong about. You were right. Everyone has thr right to scrutinize the President if they so choose. I however do not. Chain of Command. But besides that I do not blame the President. Just my opinion.
"You talk about my experience, but you know nothing about me. I have seen people die. Some of them died very violently. You have no idea what or who I care about. I do not take lightly of the deaths of American soldiers. I have not mocked anything. Do not twist my words."
All I know about you is what you post. Sure, it may not be exactly what you are but it is all I have to go by. And if you have seen people die violently, maybe someone close to you then I would think you would have more respect for the dead. Especially those who gave thr life for thr country. It seems to me you do take lightly the death of the soldiers when you support cartoons like the one posted earlier which do nothing but make a mockery of the lives given for America. I am not twisting your words and do not intend to.
"Bush sent those soldiers to thr deaths. He did not do it to protect a single American life. He did to settle a score"
Bush did not send those soldiers and Marines to thr death. If he didin't give us the proper funding and equipment we needed to do our job that would be sending us to our deaths. Kind of like Clinton did in Somalia. That is an example of sending soldiers to thr deaths. And as for his intentions, you must be a close friend of his to know why he makes his decisions. I am guessing you believe that to boil your hate for him. That is your right.
"If you need to be angry, you should focus your anger at the source - George W. Bush. Not he people who are critical of his actions."
I shouldn't be mad at the people who are critical of his actions, you are right. My anger is for the lack of respect for the dead that gave thr life.
"Iraq didn't attack us, Al Qaeda did. Don't talk about tact. Because it is something you know NOTHING about."
attacking because we were attacked is simply reacting. Reacting is a little late when we should have been proactive on the situation. We can't just sit back and wait for things to happen to go after someone.
You criticise me for making assumptions about you and you do the same to me. Interesting. If you think you and Azellyn are showing tact in your dislike for Bush with that cartoon you show me you know NOTHING about tact. But in your eyes you may. Simply because you see nothing wrong with that picture. That is what makes me angry.
I did not insult the other posters - YOU DID.
Whom did I insult?
I did not make feeble attempts at hiding my use of expletives - YOU DID
The board automatically does this. type an expletive and see what happens when you post it. I didn't try to hide it. What's the point anyway?
. And I did not imply that other people should not post on this site - YOU DID.
I didn't mean to imply that you shouldn't post. I simply think crap like that cartoon should not be posted on this board.
"Now my opinion. You are a timid little sheep. Your words bring disgrace to the military uniform you once wore, because of your attempts to stifle the constitutional right of free speech"
What do you know about the military that I STILL serve in? I do not by any means think you should not have the freedom to say what you want. But that doesn't mean I can't get upset or angry and the crap that some people use to make a point. That is my right. My words are echoed in most of the military. They are however MY brothers that I have fought in combat with and will steadily stand by them forever. I wont sit back and let people make light of the job we do. A timid sheep? Is this because I haven't hopped on your bandwagon to hate Bush?
"One of the same rights you once swore to defend"
And I still defend that right to this day. Burn the flag if you want. It is your right. But it is only because of the ones that are buried beneath that flag that you can do this. ***That was an example, I am not saying you want to burn a flag. ***
"You are appalled by the deaths of your brothers and sisters in uniform, yet you lack the spine to stand up to those who caused thr unnecessary deaths. You are afraid to stand up to the true criminals because it is not popular"
I fought in Iraq and would give my life for every last man that I fought with. My brothers know this and I know this. That is unquestionable. You have no clue the sacrifice we make to fight for this country. You have no clue the toll it takes on our families to fight this country's battles.
It is your opinion who caused these deaths. You can blame the man at the top becasue it is EASY to do this. I blame the one who shot and killed a brother of mine. NOt the President. You wouldn't understand this becasue you have never set foot in a military uniform and gone to combat. You speak of something you know nothing about. I am not and never was afraid to stand up to the one's killing my brothers. I have put in a request to go back to Iraq to leave my school and family once again. Don't talk about having the guts to me. I don't sit back and bitch and complain at the things that are wrong in this world. I have gotten off my tail and dedicated my life to doing something about it.
"You would have made a great soldier in the SS. A brave man among your peers, but a coward among those you despise. You are a sociological dinosaur. You and your ilk will soon be extinct. And not a moment too soon."
I doubt the Iraqi insurgents think of me as a coward. I can assure you they think different. You are not my enemy no matter how bad you want to believe that. I simply disagreed with they way you have gone about expressing your point of views with that cartoon. But I in no way despise you. Just your actions. And with using your point. Don't you think you are a brave man among your President bashers yet a coward to those of us who wear the uniform and fight?
You should be thankful there are people like me in this world to fight for this country. Besides who else would do it? YOU?
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azellyn
04-05-2004, 04:48 PM
Quote:What do you know about the military that I STILL serve in?...My words are echoed in most of the military.
Serving in the military gives you the opportunity to speak for yourself but not for everyone else who serves. You cannot say whether the majority of those serving with you feel the same way you do--especially since most are under a gag order not to say anything negative about the military or Bush.
Quote:I wont sit back and let people make light of the job we do.
I am not totally anti-war, or pro-war. War is something that has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. Iraq is not worth the 600+ lives that have been spent by American military personnel. And that doesn't mean that I despise any one of them for dying for Bush. I hate Bush for sending them to thr deaths for a lie. I don't see that as making light of the situation--I see it for what it is: reality.
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I'm sure that Bush did think those weapons were there in Iraq. Saddam was on record of having them there years earlier. Clinton even thought he had wmd's. And Khadafy is now giving his wmd's up because of the war. A big positive from that Iraq war which liberal dems will never admit to.
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azellyn
04-06-2004, 06:12 PM
Quote:I'm sure that Bush did think those weapons were there in Iraq. Saddam was on record of having them there years earlier. Clinton even thought he had wmd's. And Khadafy is now giving his wmd's up because of the war. A big positive from that Iraq war which liberal dems will never admit to.
The irrationality of the arguments from the right is mind boggling. What do you guys take to digest this tripe? I know you are intelligent people. You write well. I'll bet you make good livings, and yet you believe things that are akin to suspending belief when you go to a science fiction movie.
Seriously, even IF Clinton DID say Saddam had weapons, that was SIX YEARS AGO. You point to mass graves created MORE THAN A DECADE AGO and then look away when we create mass graves that are larger than the original mass graves.
And then you ignore the fact that BUSH LIED. Clinton lied about a blow job and it's talked about daily by Hannity and Limbaugh and anybody else on the right to point to his dishonesty. Yet, you will not even acknowledge that Bush lied to drum up support for a predetermined invasion.
The polls rose the more he and his accomplices lied. Nobody supported the war because Clinton said that Saddam had weapons six years ago. People aren't that stupid. Bush knew that. So he scared them by lying about drones, about missiles that could kill Americans at bases overseas. About Saddam trying to make nuclear weapons and about Saddam bng involved in 9/11. About imminent and immediate threats.
When Bush's lies were exposed, you then willingly overlooked the lies and started talking about Clinton, and liberating the people, and looking at what good you had done by invading Iraq. That's all good and everything, but that's not the reason the invasion took place.
The truth is the truth. To deny the truth using such flimsy excuses in order to condone the deaths of 600+ American soldiers and more than 1,000 soldiers worldwide, is hnous.
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Azellyn thinks protecting our country from Islamic extremists is hnous. People like aze weren't out on the streets protesting the loss of 3000 innocent lives done to us by Moslem extremists that have succeeded in hijacking a religion. And if calling Bush a liar why not Clinton? He said Iraq had these same weapons Bush has been saying. They had the same intelligence service. And aze why wasn't North Korea held accountable to the treaty they signed with the Clinton administration to not develop nuclear weapons. They took American money and aide under Clinton and still developed nuclear bombs.
Good work you liberals. Trust the North Koreans but don't verify. And our now good friend Khadafy also developed nuclear and biological weapons but is giving them up because of our war in Iraq. You ultra leftists will never agree that it was Bush's policy that brought that about. The world definitely was made more unsafe under the policies of the left in this country under Clinton Gore regime. Now we have to try and undo it with the left criticizing all the way.
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04-07-2004, 09:49 AM
"Serving in the military gives you the opportunity to speak for yourself but not for everyone else who serves. You cannot say whether the majority of those serving with you feel the same way you do--especially since most are under a gag order not to say anything negative about the military or Bush"
That statement was in regard to having respect for our fallen brothers and who to lay blame on. Sure there are people in the military that do not agree with why we are over there and certainly do not want to be there. Many of the one's that believe that are close friends of mine. But they do not however slander the President or blame him for the deaths of our brothers. Maybe it is just because we see a different picture on the front lines that people back home like yourself do not get to see or experience. The military is a different world and a different way of living. I can't speak for every single person in the military but I can certainly give you insight in what most people in the military think. A gag order? What moron told you they were under a gag order? We have the chain of command and we can't speak bad about the President just like we can't speak bad about anyone that has superior rank like a corporal talking bad about a sergeant and not showing due respect. But a gag order? Whoever told you that is feeding you a load of crap. And if he has a problem with the chain of command he needs to get out of the military.
I am glad to see that you do not disagree with the war strictly because it is war. That carries wght with what you are saying. People that see that there is war and automatically disagree are the ones that I just try to ignore.
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Quote:Azellyn thinks protecting our country from Islamic extremists is hnous.
Don't put words into my mouth. I'm talking about IRAQ. There were no connections to 9/11 or terrorists plotting to attack America in IRAQ. Again, the sweeping generalizations are decving. Stay on point.
Quote:People like aze weren't out on the streets protesting the loss of 3000 innocent lives done to us by Moslem extremists that have succeeded in hijacking a religion.
You wail over 3,000 innocent lives here and sweep 11,000 innocent lives spent in Iraq under the rug. You support a pRetzeldent who won't attend one of thr funerals or allow one of thr coffins to be televised, or even allow them to speak out about thr disenchantment over lies that are costing them thr lives. Where's the logic in that?
And by the way, did you take to the street to protest the WTC bombings (even though it had nothing to do with IRAQ?) And for the record: I was FOR invading Afghanistan even though the hijackers were from Saudi, Arabia--it was going to Iraq that was basically over the top. There were and are no dots to be connected between IRAQ and what happened on 9/11 or the 3,000 who died.
Quote:And if calling Bush a liar why not Clinton? He said Iraq had these same weapons Bush has been saying.
Where's the logic in reaching back six years to what Clinton said? Based on your logic, we should be fighting Japan for Pearl Harbor.
Quote:They had the same intelligence service. And aze why wasn't North Korea held accountable to the treaty they signed with the Clinton administration to not develop nuclear weapons. They took American money and aide under Clinton and still developed nuclear bombs.
Good work you liberals. Trust the North Koreans but don't verify.
You are all over the place. From Iraq to Clinton to North Korea. Hard to pin down a moving target I guess. Nice strategy but pointless. As for North Korea, don't forget that when North Korea threatened us directly Bush ignored them in favor of Iraq. North Korea plainly stated they had WMDs and would use them and Bush continued to lie about Iraq. Again, for the record, I was FOR disarming North Korea. They ARE a threat--not IRAQ.
Quote:And our now good friend Khadafy also developed nuclear and biological weapons but is giving them up because of our war in Iraq. You ultra leftists will never agree that it was Bush's policy that brought that about.
That's good that Bush negotiated with Khadafy to disarm. That is one political success for him. Perhaps he would have more if he acted logically.
Quote:The world definitely was made more unsafe under the policies of the left in this country under Clinton Gore regime. Now we have to try and undo it with the left criticizing all the way.
What are you talking about? There are no facts here. It is a fact that Clinton had intelligence trained on bin Laden, he attacked them, and he issued order to kill bin Laden to a complicit CIA who, claimed they didn't get the orders. What else could Clinton do with the CIA following the orders of thr former boss, Bush's daddy, and Congress opposing his attempts to wage war?
The world is not less safe because of Clinton, it's because of Bush using wreckless judgement to invade a country that was known to be unstable. Even Cheney said that Iraq was too risky because of the instability way back in '98. Bush's daddy opposed the invasion. And yet you support it based on the brainwashing of drug users like Rush Limbaugh and a republican media whose only purpose is to advance thr corporate interests.
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04-07-2004, 04:22 PM
Quote:Again, for the record, I was FOR disarming North Korea. They ARE a threat--not IRAQ.
This is the folly of intelligence. North Korea's missiles were not neccessarily capable of reaching the United States, since every dummy missile test they attempted has failed. However, our intelligence assumes they have the capability. So any leader must use the available intelligence and take a calculated risk based on how they use that intelligence.
Furthermore, you claim that you favor disarming North Korea, but there are no examples of North Korea ties to 9/11, so why would you support this. Iraq, on the other hand, has leads which suggest 9/11 ties, even if you don't believe them. At the very l you must recognize that Ramzi Yousef entered the country with an Iraqi passport. So your problem was not with invading Iraq or attacking an al-Qaeda affiliate, but that these policies were carried out by a man named Bush and not a man named Clinton.
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Comparing the 3000 American civilian lives with that of 11,000 Iraqi militants killed and unfortunately some civilians is not the same.Only a radical leftist like yourself would try even to compare the two is revolting. And yes Iraq's intelligence service did meet with members of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. And yes Iraqis did bribe UN officials who inturned protected Saddam for as long as possible. And yes we are in a war with a sizeable portion of Moslems throughout the world including in our own country. And yes our government did fail us under both administrations of Clinton and Bush. And yes a lot of our problems now stem from open borders. And yes we better start to unite as one country soon or we may find ourselves with a major catastrophe brought about by division and internal strife.
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azellyn
04-09-2004, 04:37 PM
Quote:This is the folly of intelligence. North Korea's missiles were not neccessarily capable of reaching the United States, since every dummy missile test they attempted has failed. However, our intelligence assumes they have the capability. So any leader must use the available intelligence and take a calculated risk based on how they use that intelligence.
First North Korea's missiles can't reach us, then it's on to intelligence and capability....You are all over the place. The fact is, North Korea issued a direct threat to our national security. The fact is, Bush said he would not tolerate this kind of a threat. The fact is, he has ignored this threat. That is why the fact is, today's newswire is overloaded with news that North Korea has AGAIN issued a direct threat to use nuclear weapons since Bush and Cheney have been so preoocupied with sucking up Iraq's oil to pay attention to them.
Quote:Furthermore, you claim that you favor disarming North Korea, but there are no examples of North Korea ties to 9/11, so why would you support this.
Since when did 9/11 become the only prerequisite for assessing all threats to national security? Why would I support it? That question is too stupid to answer.
Quote:Iraq, on the other hand, has leads which suggest 9/11 ties, even if you don't believe them. At the very l you must recognize that Ramzi Yousef entered the country with an Iraqi passport. So your problem was not with invading Iraq or attacking an al-Qaeda affiliate, but that these policies were carried out by a man named Bush and not a man named Clinton.
If Clinton, or Jesus for that matter, had done anything as remotely stupid as Bush has done by invading Iraq when there is NO CONNECTION between Iraq and 9/11 (which he and his accomplices have admitted) I would still have the same opinion. Why, on the other hand, do you and those like you who refuse to acknowledge a concept called truth, continue to point to unfounded evidence of such a connection? Isn't it enough that Bush has backed off of the claim?
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04-09-2004, 04:44 PM
Quote:Comparing the 3000 American civilian lives with that of 11,000 Iraqi militants killed and unfortunately some civilians is not the same. Only a radical leftist like yourself would try even to compare the two is revolting.
Only an idiot would dismiss human life because it's not American lives that have been lost. And only a complete brainwashed moron would suggest that it's acceptable to condone the mass graves Bush created when it's a known fact he lied about his reasons for killing all those people.
Quote:And yes Iraq's intelligence service did meet with members of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. And yes Iraqis did bribe UN officials who inturned protected Saddam for as long as possible.
Save it for somebody who wants to hear lies. Bush and the Whitehouse are not supporting this claim. Bush and the Whitehouse have conceded there is no connection.
Quote:And yes we better start to unite as one country soon or we may find ourselves with a major catastrophe brought about by division and internal strife.
Yes we will find ourselves in a civil war because people like you believe the lies and propoganda that are bng used to cover up the pillaging of the American Constitution, the American Treasury and the American way of life as we know it. I hope you are happy with what you are doing to help destroy this country.
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Well you obviously don't care about the lives lost on 9/11.
Instead you and your ilk would rather blame our government for everything if its run by Republicans.
Mass graves by Saddam never bothered you or you would have mentioned it. But now with left wing liberals its Bush's mass graves. How much of a demon are you?
Saddam killed men woman and children . He is even on video tape doing this . His henchman have killed hundreds of thousands even with weapons of mass destruction. And you have the audacity to say Bush created mass graves. Who is destroying the country but people like you azellyn who complain about your fellow citizens as they are bng killed by mass murderers. For its people like you who let these mass murderers in here in the first place cause you care more about thr freedom and thr civil rights then our own people. We have lost our freedoms after 9/11 and its because of Islamic fascists and people like you.
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NYIndependence
04-09-2004, 05:21 PM
Quote:First North Korea's missiles can't reach us, then it's on to intelligence and capability....You are all over the place.
Are you reading the same thing I typed? I am addressing intelligence as it relates to North Korea. To date, North Korea cannot reach the United States, but our intelligence says they can based on assumptions. BECAUSE INTELLIGENCE IS ALWAYS CONFLICTING. So when you isolate one page memos or reports which downplay the threat posed by Iraq, realize that there is a mountain of intelligence that runs contrary to that.
First you said this:
Quote:Since when did 9/11 become the only prerequisite for assessing all threats to national security? Why would I support it? That question is too stupid to answer.
then you said this:
Quote:If Clinton, or Jesus for that matter, had done anything as remotely stupid as Bush has done by invading Iraq when there is NO CONNECTION between Iraq and 9/11 (which he and his accomplices have admitted) I would still have the same opinion.
If a 9/11 connection is not important, then why do you keep mentioning it in relation to Iraq?
Quote:continue to point to unfounded evidence of such a connection?
Is there anything about you that isn't reactionary? For the third time READ THE ARTICLES! When Iraq smuggled WTC bombers into the US in 1993, they were attacking America. Or in your opinion, is there a statute of limitations for attacking US soil?
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azellyn
04-09-2004, 07:08 PM
Quote:Well you obviously don't care about the lives lost on 9/11.
That's the thing about you CONs....you are psycho. YOU don't give a damn about the lies or lives connected to 9/11 and you blame it on others. The psychiatrists have a name for your behavior: it's called transference. And they also have meds. I suggest you get some.
Quote:Instead you and your ilk would rather blame our government for everything if its run by Republicans.
See the aforementioned statement about meds.
Quote:Mass graves by Saddam never bothered you or you would have mentioned it. But now with left wing liberals its Bush's mass graves. How much of a demon are you?
Now you're hallucinating about demons? Really, you need help.
Quote:Saddam killed men woman and children . He is even on video tape doing this . His henchman have killed hundreds of thousands even with weapons of mass destruction. And you have the audacity to say Bush created mass graves.
Bush killed men, women and children. Bush has also maimed many more than he killed. It's just not on television because Bush has sold the media to his campaign contributors and friends.
Quote:Who is destroying the country but people like you azellyn who complain about your fellow citizens as they are bng killed by mass murderers.
Ummmm....the pRetzeldent? Yep. That's who.
Quote:For its people like you who let these mass murderers in here in the first place cause you care more about thr freedom and thr civil rights then our own people. We have lost our freedoms after 9/11 and its because of Islamic fascists and people like you.
You are a joke. I, me--who has nothing to do with the borders of the country or national security--you claim I'm responsible for letting the hijackers in the country? You are sick which explains why you follow Bush.
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orion888
04-12-2004, 01:02 AM
Quote:Bush killed men, women and children. Bush has also maimed many more than he killed. It's just not on television because Bush has sold the media to his campaign contributors and friends.
Oh paleeeeze. I just love it when some clueless liberal puts on the facade that they actually have compassion for a human life.
44 million people have been brutally murdered before they were allowed to take thr first breath in the womb since Rove vs. Wade. 44 million American citizens brutally butchered by the left wing Nazi's who advocate and support fetal genocide.
And now you're attempting to pass yourself off as some concerned compassionate, caring human bng who care about lives lost in a war effort that went after a real and viable threat to the U.S. that you're now claiming was "no threat" at all.
You liberals make me want to puke.
You claim that Bush lied and knew about the threat of 9/11 beforehand and did nothing about it. So, Bush goes after a real threat in Iraq and you're all whining now that we've lost lives in an unjustified war?
I suppose if Bush had reacted to the "threat" of 9/11 beforehand if he'd had sufficient proof that you liberals would have claimed that was "unjustified" too.
The only kind of "threat" you stupid dumb assed liberals understand are the ones that have already been carried out upon us. Edited by: orion888 at: 4/12/04 5:34 am
orion888
04-12-2004, 01:42 AM
Absolutely amazing is what you stupid liberals are. I mean...think about this scenario here...What if...Bush truly had enough sufficient evidence and acted *before 9/11 occurred by invading Afghanistan and disbanding the Taliban? Don't even attempt to tell me that you liberals would have stood behind the effort to "act beforehand" in the fight against terrorism.
The only *kind of "threat" liberals understand is the one where the plane actually flies into the building where you work and blows everyone up.
Bush acted "beforehand" concerning Saddams "threats" against his nieghbors, the U.S., and is own people along with humanity...and look at the crap you're giving him for doing the very thing that you claim he didn't do before 9/11.
44 million American citizens murdered, butchered, ripped apart before they had the chance to take thr fist breath in the womb since Rove vs. Wade and is still going on by the Nazi's on the left who believe in, support and advocate fetal genocide.
Stupid, stupid, stupid liberals.
This USA bashing by radical leftists has been most evident on this board. Azellyn personal hate for Bush is certainly a mental disease. The left wing of the Democrat party wants to destroy Bush more than they do the Islamic fascists. This not only makes the country more unsafe for terrorism but makes it harder to govern.
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04-12-2004, 08:32 AM
Plain and simple- It's ALL they have. Nothing constructive or no new ideas on how to govern or make a change for the better- just hateful Bush-bashing critics. What a sad, desperate group they are! Also have to love the article in todays Newsday on page 5, "A time to fight back"- One big propaganda piece about Muqtada al-Sadr written by thr terrorist sympathizer Middle correpondent Mohammad Bazzi. I wonder if this guy works for the "cleric". Can't wait for this paper to fold under questioning!
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Siliclast
04-13-2004, 08:36 AM
Look, to all those who go on and on and on about how "Bush Bashers" only know cynicism and anger, I have a few words for you.
You are TOTALLY wrong about the "liberal agenda", if there even is one. If you listen to Air America radio, you can see that there are REAL idea, and REAL criticism behind people who share my view that George W. Bush MIGHT be one of the worst presidents we've ever had.
Look at ANY actual issue, and tell me there aren't LEGITIMATE criticisms that can be made of the current administration. Iraq was a big lie, and it will go on and on and on, until America realizes it's mistake, and takes a more sane approach (NOT simply pulling out, which I'm afraid Bush will do, saying that "liberals" pressured him to).
And his administration's stance on the economy, where the ultimate goal is (stated quite plainly by many administration officials) to eliminate taxes altogether, and privatize our entire country. Any idiot can see what a bad idea that is. Look what happens when corporate America has no regulation. The fake energy crisis in California is one example. But just look at the television cable industry; every time regulations have been relaxed, prices go UP. We can't allow important support systems like education, social security, and welfare to be run on a for-profit basis.
And as for the whole trickle-down economics theory; it just doesn't work! How many times does that need to be proven? I understand how people who make 800,000 a year freak out when they pay 200,000 in taxes overall, but they simply don't understand why they pay that much, or that we live in a COMMUNITY where not everybody is rich. Someone who makes $1600 a month and pays $500 of that in taxes; that's a much bigger deal to that person than the 200k is to the richer man. And those people rely on social security later in life. Once you let go of the flawed notion that those with money somehow DESERVE it, or are more successful in life, then you realize that while everybody wants a system where individuals are allowed to achieve and succeed on thr own, we can't allow one group, nationality, religion, or economic class to skew the system in thr favor. And that's exactly what the Bush administration is doing for the rich. Those tax cuts, they don't help ME. They don't ACTUALLY help 90% of the people in this country. Sure you may get a few hundred back, but rising state taxes, cost of living, and a failing health and social security system more than make up the difference. But again, those who are changing the system don't care about these things; they're not personally affected by it, and nther are thr biggest campaign contributors.
I'm just sick of this adversarial attitude of so many people in this country. They're basically saying that if you don't have FAITH in this president, you're somehow hurting this country. I mean come on, have any of you actually LISTENED to George W. Bush speak? He's barely literate, and bungles almost ALL of the speeches that are written for him. He represents big government FAR more than any democrat, as the government has grown SUBSTANTIALLY in his term. The job growth that the White house is touting right now? Those are PUBLIC sector jobs. READ: Expanding government. How do people see welfare as big government, but not the reckless and ballooning defense budget, or gigantic tax cuts for the rich in war time?
So basically, you can have your little echo chorus about how "liberal trash" are ruining your country. Have you ever read 1984? Don't be a Goldstn! If you don't get that reference, then I'm not surprised you can't see what's going on with our government.
When any of you ACTUALLY want to talk about the issues, I'm perfectly willing. WHY do you think George Bush's economic policy is working? Why do you think his handling of "the war on terror" and Iraq is good? Why was withdrawing from the Kyoto treaty and the nuclear test ban treaty a good thing? These are things he has done. It doesn't matter what you think of ME, or what labels you assign to all "liberals"; you need to address the issues. I assure you I'm not out to destroy this country, and I don't think anyone on this message board is. With that in mind, shouldn't we be able to discuss issues without resorting to anger and name-calling? Name-calling is always the last resort of those who can't or don't want to use thr brains.
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NYIndependence
04-13-2004, 11:33 AM
Quote:He's barely literate, and bungles almost ALL of the speeches that are written for him.
This is where you do not make a legitimate criticism. Bush is a Yale graduate and therefore quite literate. He is, however, very poor as a public speaker. That doesn't make you stupid, it makes you a bad public speaker. Look at Adm. James Stockdale. He imploded in the 1992 VP Debates, but I would not make the mistake of questioning his intelligence.
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04-13-2004, 11:45 AM
Well, you DO know how he got into Yale, don't you? It's not from the "C" average he got in High School. It could be because his father AND grandfather very very influential alumni of Yale. His biggest achievement there was bng a cheerleader, according to his peers and student records.
But you're right in that good public speaking does NOT make one smart, and vise versa.
But then again, these are serious times, and it would be nice to have a president that IS able to speak with some measure of clarity to the American people. Oh yeah, and no more lying or avoiding responsibility. I just thought I'd throw those in, hehe.
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04-13-2004, 02:35 PM
Quote:Oh paleeeeze. I just love it when some clueless liberal puts on the facade that they actually have compassion for a human life.
Quote:44 million people have been brutally murdered before they were allowed to take thr first breath in the womb since Rove vs. Wade...
So you prefer post-birth abortion then? Same result.
Quote:And now you're attempting to pass yourself off as some concerned compassionate, caring human bng who care about lives lost in a war effort that went after a real and viable threat to the U.S. that you're now claiming was "no threat" at all.
What real and viable threat to the US?
Quote:You liberals make me want to puke.
The feeling is mutual.
Quote:You claim that Bush lied and knew about the threat of 9/11 beforehand and did nothing about it. So, Bush goes after a real threat in Iraq and you're all whining now that we've lost lives in an unjustified war?
What "real threat"?
Quote:I suppose if Bush had reacted to the "threat" of 9/11 beforehand if he'd had sufficient proof that you liberals would have claimed that was "unjustified" too.
Depends on how he "reacted". Clinton thwarted attacks without massive casualties. Bush doesn't seem to know how to do that.
Quote:The only kind of "threat" you stupid dumb assed liberals understand are the ones that have already been carried out upon us.
Unfortunately, you lying, hypocritical CONS don't understand anything--especially the truth.
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04-13-2004, 02:43 PM
Quote:The only *kind of "threat" liberals understand is the one where the plane actually flies into the building where you work and blows everyone up.
You are mistaken and misinformed not to mention brainwashed. Threats require assessment based on each case. The fact is, Bush did nothing but play golf while the leaders from all over the world were warning him about an impending attack. He was the one who "did nothing"--look at the facts and stop the idiocy.
Quote:Bush acted "beforehand" concerning Saddams "threats" against his nieghbors, the U.S., and is own people along with humanity...and look at the crap you're giving him for doing the very thing that you claim he didn't do before 9/11.
Bush lied about Saddam. 'Nuff said.
Quote:Stupid, stupid, stupid liberals.
Blind, dumb, deaf CONS.
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NYIndependence
04-13-2004, 02:45 PM
Quote:Well, you DO know how he got into Yale, don't you? It's not from the "C" average he got in High School. It could be because his father AND grandfather very very influential alumni of Yale.
I completely agree with you, but legacy will only get you so far. He must have a significant degree of intelligence if he got through Yale, even if it was a "C" average. Yes, it certainly helps that you come from the right family, but you overreaction in calling him "barely literate" hurts the rest of your post, some of which is legitimate criticism.
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04-13-2004, 03:06 PM
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04-13-2004, 05:28 PM
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04-13-2004, 06:34 PM
Franken deals with facts--airhead or not--talk about what he's saying, and if he's lying, share the lies with everybody. I'm up for it. Or can't you do that? I KNOW you can't because the one thing he doesn't do is lie. And you CONS hate the truth and YOU HATE AMERICA.
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04-14-2004, 05:22 AM
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