And The Biggest Drill Team Waste Of Money Is

[waste of money!!]

I know in my department, too much money is wasted onthis team, and most of its members have the fire fighting skill of a wombat!

[Thenitissafer]

Too let them hurt themselves on the track in a controlled situation, with rescue available rather than embarassing you at a fire scene.. (by trying to pull your two year wonder ass out and endangering others!)

Ha Ha

[sitting by the pond]

our drill team is more qualified on a 12 oz then any piece of fire equipment

[Unregisteredcomplaining]

Instead of complaining on the message board, why dont you stand up @ your department meeting and make a motion to disband it.????

[DRILL TRAINING]

Cmon this is legitimate training. Recruitment and retention. The problem is there are only 10 people on the drill team and they stink at it....luckily they aren't any good at firefighting or ems either........Just in case you aren't feeling it, this post is thick with sarcasm!!!

[Unregisteredcjp]

All the people in my dept. say this will all be gone in a few years. Taxpayers will finally put their foot down. We beg for money for new buildings and then pull the old hero cards out when it gets voted down. Drill team isn't donations it's district $. Not $1000 or $2000 per year, more like 20K per year on parts, fuel, cam2 fuel, tires, repairs, insurance, food for the racers and their families that have no business eating dept. food. Some of them have nothing to do with FD at all but manage to end up in the "member" areas of the drill tourneys eat and drink until they are bloated and most don't make to the edge of the track to see a race. Put that money to good use and improve the service for the whole department. Next time your district turns down a piece of equipment ask them how much they spent on drill team over the past 10 years....about the life of the average brush truck.

It needs to go.

[you must be a pup]

All the people in my dept. say this will all be gone in a few years. Taxpayers will finally put their foot down. We beg for money for new buildings and then pull the old hero cards out when it gets voted down. Drill team isn't donations it's district $. Not $1000 or $2000 per year, more like 20K per year on parts, fuel, cam2 fuel, tires, repairs, insurance, food for the racers and their families that have no business eating dept. food. Some of them have nothing to do with FD at all but manage to end up in the "member" areas of the drill tourneys eat and drink until they are bloated and most don't make to the edge of the track to see a race. Put that money to good use and improve the service for the whole department. Next time your district turns down a piece of equipment ask them how much they spent on drill team over the past 10 years....about the life of the average brush truck.

It needs to go.

The life of an average brush truck? What the hell are u talking about? Didn't get something you wanted or nobody invited you for a hamburger and salad at the tourney? What is a "member" area at a tourney? The place evidently nobody wants you to be in? Is that kinda' like the cab of the engine I gather?
What a dweeb...

[i think its called a camp]

All the people in my dept. say this will all be gone in a few years. Taxpayers will finally put their foot down. We beg for money for new buildings and then pull the old hero cards out when it gets voted down. Drill team isn't donations it's district $. Not $1000 or $2000 per year, more like 20K per year on parts, fuel, cam2 fuel, tires, repairs, insurance, food for the racers and their families that have no business eating dept. food. Some of them have nothing to do with FD at all but manage to end up in the "member" areas of the drill tourneys eat and drink until they are bloated and most don't make to the edge of the track to see a race. Put that money to good use and improve the service for the whole department. Next time your district turns down a piece of equipment ask them how much they spent on drill team over the past 10 years....about the life of the average brush truck.

It needs to go.

Just a "heads" up there rookie. Bye the bye, why weren't you there in costume taping your ankle anyway? They probably would have let you bring your EMT bling out to the startline maybe helped you fix that brush truck of yours..

[Regardless]

The life of an average brush truck? What the hell are u talking about? Didn't get something you wanted or nobody invited you for a hamburger and salad at the tourney? What is a "member" area at a tourney? The place evidently nobody wants you to be in? Is that kinda' like the cab of the engine I gather?
What a dweeb...

regardless of whether you turn this into an insult match or not the only drilling we should be using taxpayer money for is operational department wide firematic training. the kind that helps all of us do our jobs. the jobs we FREELY volunteered to do. you wanna race join NASCAR. whether you want to believe it or not the day of the $10 per gallon gas, inflated insurance costs and spiraling inflation are here and the time of the motorized drill team is gone. it's your chane either give up the drill teams and save money on your own or have the taxpayers replace you with paid ff's. oh and it doesn't matter if the paid will be a heavier tax burden in the long run we'll be long gone by the time they realize that.

[UnregisteredCPR]

Whats A Wombat?

[0970987]

Sounds like somebody is mad that they didn't get issued their third pair of boots for the year.

[Unregisteredfguwerh]

The Flying Dutchmen HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Too bad you guys cant put out fires like you race!!!!!

The racing team runs that dept, all the taxpayer $$ is wasted..i mean spent on that team!!! And Gary Schamm is a douce bag loser

WAKE UP WEST SAYVILLE AND OAKDALE!!!!!!!!!! YOUR $$ IS BEING PISSED AWAY FOR CRAPPY $10 TROPHYS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregisteredactually]

The wooden shoes have about a 94% fire prevention rate in their District.
(but you wouldn't care, that's actually what its all about isn't it.)
Their throphy room probably is the net worth of smaller districts and should be alarmed with all the old silver in there.
(but you wouldn't know, there all worth $10.00 to you.)
Many departments are controlled by the members of the drill team, traditionally the most active and often the ones people come to for problem resolution, just because they paint their heritage on the doors of their trucks, don't think it isn't the same elsewhere. They just have a little more pride and deservedly so.

I see many complainers, but if these people you have problems with allegedly "control" your department or stepped on your toes at some point in your short life. Doesn't that tell you that thay are succeeding and you are not?

It's easy to hit a target out in the open above you, rather than hitting something hiding under a rock complaining.

[Unregwsfdflyingmonkeys]

shove those made up stats up your a ss.

i said NOTHING about fire prevention (the town IS DOING THEIR JOB!!! and footing the racing teams bill to boot!!!) learn to read you clog.

i was talking about fighting the fires you DO get. if you'd fight them half as good as you race, it be one hell of a FD.

how many times did you guys try to get the hq extension?? the tax payers didnt want it - but the DUTCH did..... how many times, 4? 5?

I bet you built new trophy rooms right?

[why are you not happy?]

shove those made up stats up your a ss.

i said NOTHING about fire prevention (the town IS DOING THEIR JOB!!! and footing the racing teams bill to boot!!!) learn to read you clog.

i was talking about fighting the fires you DO get. if you'd fight them half as good as you race, it be one hell of a FD.

how many times did you guys try to get the hq extension?? the tax payers didnt want it - but the DUTCH did..... how many times, 4? 5?

I bet you built new trophy rooms right?

That you live in a town were people actually take care and protect their homes and possesions? Don't burn them down, would that make you happier?

That you live in a town where your volleys make a best effort to mitigate any circumstance if the emergency happens? It's not an exact science actually, alot of circumstance comes into play. Stats mean nothing, there is no reliable median for perfomance in an emergency service.

And the extension, thats up to you. By all means scrape up your new capital equipment because the doors and truck house are too small, go for the tort claims because nobody could move in there in the heat of an alarm and gets injured. Keep the office trailers out on the yard, it fits the logic that you want to promote for a new home buyer, hence reducing your precious property values. All for let's say 5% of your budget that you are annoyed at for personal reasons I gather?

[Reality Check 2]

Guys for whatever reasons the vollie departments drop motorized racing programs, it has to be dropped. We all know the costs asscoaited with it and this year with fuel pricing rising every day it's gonna be mad crazy. It's in the best interest of the departments and the taxpayers that we put an end to it voluntarily. Hey if we don't then the taxpayers and the towns and counties around NY will do it for us.

We're supposed to be volunteers, we can no longer hold onto racing teams as an R&R tool. Run old fashion, just as much competition and a fraction of the costs.

Bottom line is all the bad stuff that appears about us isn't all true, we know that. But the fact is there are a lot of things that need to be done better, smarter and cheaper.

Look I'm not talking down to anyone, but remember when we were kids and our parents would tell us to clean our rooms or they'd clean them for us. Well fellow FF's we're being told that now, but many of us don't hear it.

If we don't bring about change and clean things up the state and counties will step in and clean things up for us. Unfortunately the botom line is ultimately they'll screw it up also and it will cost a fortune in taxes, but if we don't make a real effort to reform and progress the volunteer service will soon be a thing of the past.

Not puttin down the motorized teams here, just stating the obvious.

[Unregistereddddd]

shove those made up stats up your a ss.

i said NOTHING about fire prevention (the town IS DOING THEIR JOB!!! and footing the racing teams bill to boot!!!) learn to read you clog.

i was talking about fighting the fires you DO get. if you'd fight them half as good as you race, it be one hell of a FD.

how many times did you guys try to get the hq extension?? the tax payers didnt want it - but the DUTCH did..... how many times, 4? 5?

I bet you built new trophy rooms right?

Its easy to win trophies when there is no realy good teams on the track?And dont worry When Kevin C from nlfd gets tiered of the dutch he will just get rid of them for 5 yrs like he did to another team?

[Webster young man]

They have one in every bookstore and, oh look, spell check as well right here on the computer!

[Unregistered$$$$$$$]

Lots

[Unregistered$$$$]

Big $$$$$

[Unregisteredtaxpayer]

And the extension, thats up to you. By all means scrape up your new capital equipment because the doors and truck house are too small, go for the tort claims because nobody could move in there in the heat of an alarm and gets injured. Keep the office trailers out on the yard, it fits the logic that you want to promote for a new home buyer, hence reducing your precious property values. All for let's say 5% of your budget that you are annoyed at for personal reasons I gather?

Why did you need new trucks anyway? Or if you really need them, why not get trucks that fit in the existing building?

[Insurancemy friend]

A: New requirements from ISO, (the people who set your insurance rates), the State and Federal government through the IAFF and others promoting "even rule" over a widely different set of circumstances throughout the country.
B: Common sensce, even though the truck is called "custom" try to buy one to really fit your specifications. An Islip Town department bought a custom tower ladder, totally "hand built", fifteen years ago, paid a hefty price because nobody wanted that then but they needed it. Now you can get single axle 75' tower quints in a 7-11, delivered tomorrow. Why? Because everybody wants one now, the demand drives the manufacturers. Look at your new engine, the low hose bed and manufacturer, all came at the economy of that same towns design before you. (Somebody was looking ahead)
C: Most of us like the old Firehouses, feel comfortable. But when the laws require that we try to back the "Queen Mary" capable of holding ten people, into a slip made for a "Boston Whaler", yeah, I got a problem with that in the middle of the night when I just want to go home and get to sleep to go to work in the morning.

We, (Your volunteers), didn't make this crap up. Your legislators, unions and tree huggers did.. I was trained to wash my gear with a hose on the driveway and hang on the split rail fence in the sun to dry. Can't do that anymore, send it out, OSHA, DEC, pollution. Ride on the back step or in the hose bed and don't fall off. Use the airpack only for a basement fire or really snotty job, because "refilling air costs money", "use it when you need it, if there is enough air for the fire there is enough for you.". We could start up our trucks in the truck house while gearing up to build up brake pressure, can't do that anymore without a built in external exhaust system. I got a PASS alarm on my coat, nice, lets just put more heavy metals in the landfill. seatbelts in the rigs, plastic helmet that has to be tested after an impact. (still can't figure that one out, either it worked or you are in the hospital with a big headache). So lets extend the truck six feet of steel or aluminium because nobody is trained or can follow instrustions, extend the hieght fourteen inches because "we have to be safe" (but we are not now supposed to be standing up and seatbeleted in?), and now they want to mandate side protection and air bags...

And you are asking, why do you need new trucks and why can't you make them fit in the building. You are clueless, should have left us all alone to do a dirty job you bitch about...

[Unregisteredtouchy]

And you are asking, why do you need new trucks and why can't you make them fit in the building. You are clueless, should have left us all alone to do a dirty job you bitch about...

It was just a question because I don't know enough about fire trucks to answer them myself. God forbid someone is actually asking a question on here and looking for information, we're not all out to insult.

Who is bitching? I'm not the politician making these laws

[Unregisteredtheyallare]

All Of Them Are A Waste. Get Rid Of Them Now!!!!!!!! Time To Do What You Joined The Fire Service To Do, Not To Disappear All Winter And Then Show Up Again In April When Practice Starts, You Are Giving The Rest Of Us A Bad Rep. I Cant Wait For A Chief With Balls, Or A Commissoner That Ends This Shit

[Votes=Spending]

All Of Them Are A Waste. Get Rid Of Them Now!!!!!!!! Time To Do What You Joined The Fire Service To Do, Not To Disappear All Winter And Then Show Up Again In April When Practice Starts, You Are Giving The Rest Of Us A Bad Rep. I Cant Wait For A Chief With Balls, Or A Commissoner That Ends This Shit
A Chief or Commissioner can never end it, they want to get reelected and need votes either for Chief or Commissioner position from their own members who participate in the teams. We are all pals and friends.

[foil me]

If you live in any of the below LI fire districts goto the next BOFC meeting and demand to know what it cost to go train in Buffalo this weekend. Also ask them to detail what was learned in this training sessions...

Oyster Bay (TB)
North Babylon
North Bellmore
Roslyn
Cutchogue
West Islip
New Hyde Park
Westbury
Sayville
Selden
East Islip
Copiague
Islip
Bay Shore
Riverhead
Islip Terrace
Baldwin
Elmont
Levittown
West Sayville
Brentwood
Elsmere
Central Islip
Carle Place
North Lindenhurst
Glenwood
Freeport (DEK)
East Farmingdale
Lindenhurst
Hempstead
Manhasset-Lakeville
Hicksville
Port Washington
Coram
Saint James
West Hempstead

[kent]

travel softball anymore! I remember back in the 60's watching the Merirck fire department preparing for these drills and I thought it was neat but even at 10
years of age I didn't see the point! It was exciting but risky! I even worked with a guy who at 20 had a major deformity in his leg do to a mishap. No thanks , i'd rather ride a 10 foot wave!

[whaaaaa]

then get off the computer and go hang 10 assbag

[youidiot]

you must be a drill team member another one wasting our tax dollars

[you asked]

It was just a question because I don't know enough about fire trucks to answer them myself. God forbid someone is actually asking a question on here and looking for information, we're not all out to insult.

Who is bitching? I'm not the politician making these laws

And I answered. And very few come on here to "ask a question", because if you came down to your local firehouse on your way home from getting bagels and coffee on Sunday morning, somebody like me would be happy to walk you through all of it. And show you what you paid for. I asked for the dedication plaques on all our new trucks to state "purchased by and for the protection of the residents of the fire district", it was voted down and there hasn't been a plaque on a truck since 1999..

[softball bad]

travel softball anymore! I remember back in the 60's watching the Merirck fire department preparing for these drills and I thought it was neat but even at 10
years of age I didn't see the point! It was exciting but risky! I even worked with a guy who at 20 had a major deformity in his leg do to a mishap. No thanks , i'd rather ride a 10 foot wave!

Believe it or not, your legislators consider Softball, donkey or wheelchair basketball against the insurance rules according to Town law and the VFBL. (that's actually written in there.) But jumping off a truck at speed with a hose in your hand, totally acceptable. In the budget form provided by the State there is a line item for Drills, Parades and Conventions.
The point is, you have maybe about twelve active participants, another ten ground events and or support people, maybe another ten in the stands to cheer on. Basically about thirty tight people that know each others strengths and weaknesses. Saves time on a fire scene. Some places they dissappear in the winter, that's bad, many places they have a higher requirement for attendance in order to participate. It's the way you use it as a moral nad recruitment tool that counts..

[Good Question But]

If you live in any of the below LI fire districts goto the next BOFC meeting and demand to know what it cost to go train in Buffalo this weekend. Also ask them to detail what was learned in this training sessions...

Oyster Bay (TB)
North Babylon
North Bellmore
Roslyn
Cutchogue
West Islip
New Hyde Park
Westbury
Sayville
Selden
East Islip
Copiague
Islip
Bay Shore
Riverhead
Islip Terrace
Baldwin
Elmont
Levittown
West Sayville
Brentwood
Elsmere
Central Islip
Carle Place
North Lindenhurst
Glenwood
Freeport (DEK)
East Farmingdale
Lindenhurst
Hempstead
Manhasset-Lakeville
Hicksville
Port Washington
Coram
Saint James
West Hempstead

How much did it cost all of the above to go to Indie and Baltimore and what really did the members bring back from those. Be sure to ask for in house class drills on the new info brought back and don't try to BS me with sign in sheets from the guys that were in the kitchen when the ex Chief held a class on "fire is hot, you can get burned, stay away from it".. I went to Indie with three others and brought back a lesson plan we were shown. The drivers couse we forced eightyfive members to sit through while they yawned, the RIT review got a total of fifteen active members that basically show up anyway and wanted to see what was new, if anything. The rescue crew faired better, they updated their members and all attended, because they have to have CMD's to keep the cards. Give it a rest. Maybe $4K tops each including rooms, food and fuel. The insurance is there weather you go or not so don't try to pull that card out, stop racing and it does not change the premium. The suds come from the department or out of pocket, you must know any district won't pay for that and looks at all the bills with a microscope. You could buy a truckload of tomatoes if authorized but have one beer on that reciept the whole thing gets kicked back..

[YO IT'S A DRILL]

If you live in any of the below LI fire districts goto the next BOFC meeting and demand to know what it cost to go train in Buffalo this weekend. Also ask them to detail what was learned in this training sessions...

Oyster Bay (TB)
North Babylon
North Bellmore
Roslyn
Cutchogue
West Islip
New Hyde Park
Westbury
Sayville
Selden
East Islip
Copiague
Islip
Bay Shore
Riverhead
Islip Terrace
Baldwin
Elmont
Levittown
West Sayville
Brentwood
Elsmere
Central Islip
Carle Place
North Lindenhurst
Glenwood
Freeport (DEK)
East Farmingdale
Lindenhurst
Hempstead
Manhasset-Lakeville
Hicksville
Port Washington
Coram
Saint James
West Hempstead

Not training, a drill, look up Town law...

[Unregisteredalbany]

You listed Elsmere with Long Island you dope. Why not include Delmar while you are at it. Get a Hagstroms, they are cheap!

[Unregistered$$$$]

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[Unregistered1]

All Of Them Are A Waste. Get Rid Of Them Now!!!!!!!! Time To Do What You Joined The Fire Service To Do, Not To Disappear All Winter And Then Show Up Again In April When Practice Starts, You Are Giving The Rest Of Us A Bad Rep. I Cant Wait For A Chief With Balls, Or A Commissoner That Ends This Shit


Why what goes on during the winter ? Really is too cold out for any kind of real practice.

[inside news]

you assholes still drink,, and still don't respond to drills, calls, meetingd, unless there is a 12 oz. being served. You are a drain on the taxpayers. The paid employees fuck around with the trucks and then its lunch time. Maybe the DA should investigate how some of these "paid employees" are actually utilizing the time they are being paid for.

[Unregisteredwellrested]

Just got back and boy do I feel good. I left with $100 in my pocket and came home with $150. Thanks Chief for the four meals a day, the hotel room, the hospitality room, and a fun time at the "drill" and parade. Oh, I will have my receipt for my gas mileage tomorrow Chief. Thanks again!!!!

[State drill]

Congratulations to all of the top 5 finishers and a job well done to the MainTransit FD for hosting a first class drill. Race On!!!!

[Unregistereddriller]

That's not fair, we want our share!

[Bottom Line 2]

Guys for whatever reasons the vollie departments drop motorized racing programs, it has to be dropped. We all know the costs asscoaited with it and this year with fuel pricing rising every day it's gonna be mad crazy. It's in the best interest of the departments and the taxpayers that we put an end to it voluntarily. Hey if we don't then the taxpayers and the towns and counties around NY will do it for us.

We're supposed to be volunteers, we can no longer hold onto racing teams as an R&R tool. Run old fashion, just as much competition and a fraction of the costs.

Bottom line is all the bad stuff that appears about us isn't all true, we know that. But the fact is there are a lot of things that need to be done better, smarter and cheaper.

Look I'm not talking down to anyone, but remember when we were kids and our parents would tell us to clean our rooms or they'd clean them for us. Well fellow FF's we're being told that now, but many of us don't hear it.

If we don't bring about change and clean things up the state and counties will step in and clean things up for us. Unfortunately the botom line is ultimately they'll screw it up also and it will cost a fortune in taxes, but if we don't make a real effort to reform and progress the volunteer service will soon be a thing of the past.

Not puttin down the motorized teams here, just stating the obvious.

[Hold Up]

Guys for whatever reasons the vollie departments drop motorized racing programs, it has to be dropped. We all know the costs asscoaited with it and this year with fuel pricing rising every day it's gonna be mad crazy. It's in the best interest of the departments and the taxpayers that we put an end to it voluntarily. Hey if we don't then the taxpayers and the towns and counties around NY will do it for us.

We're supposed to be volunteers, we can no longer hold onto racing teams as an R&R tool. Run old fashion, just as much competition and a fraction of the costs.

Bottom line is all the bad stuff that appears about us isn't all true, we know that. But the fact is there are a lot of things that need to be done better, smarter and cheaper.

Look I'm not talking down to anyone, but remember when we were kids and our parents would tell us to clean our rooms or they'd clean them for us. Well fellow FF's we're being told that now, but many of us don't hear it.

If we don't bring about change and clean things up the state and counties will step in and clean things up for us. Unfortunately the botom line is ultimately they'll screw it up also and it will cost a fortune in taxes, but if we don't make a real effort to reform and progress the volunteer service will soon be a thing of the past.

Not puttin down the motorized teams here, just stating the obvious.

You say to keep racing, but keep it old fashioned. Still cost the same in insurance, but not trying to convince ya..

You say the Town and the State are going to clean it up for us. None of their current changes meant to appease the Snoozeday article have any teeth and they don't have the people to enforce it anyway. (PS note none dealt with racing or the Mutual Insurance Company the Districts Statewide own and pay for, not the State.) It's a corporation, try mixing that one in to money the State and the taxpayers don't have when Albany get's hold of it...

They will pick out "high profile Boards" that basically have bowling ballls for Commissioners and actually did something wrong. (Note most was about trips and the Boards undisclosed expenses and reimbursement, not racing.)

The obvious from your logic is stop all of it, include Softball, installations, bar b ques, signal eights after drills, renting the hall to your sister in law, not busting up your gear and pulling the "I'm a volly card, I do this for free.."

Face it, You are pissed at the racers, you would be on here bashing the softball or the honor guard if they dissed you.. Get the freak over it already..

PS look at all the Buffalo newspaper and TV stations from last weekend, they ate it up and the air was thick with politicos glad handing.. They have seen hard times and they are happy to get a couple hundred grand infused into their town for a weekend and we get the same when they come down here dimwit.

[Unregistered1232123]

old fashioned drill teams are run with a fraction of the cost of motorized. I think the motorized is absolutly awesome to watch,(my dept. cannot afford it). being from a village(oops I gave it away) the money is controlled b ythe village board. they wouldnt go for a motorized(we asked for one almost 25 years ago) they were concerned more about the $ for the rig,insurance for the members and to possibly rebuild the track. they said they would support old fashioned and that was it. so to all depts. with an abundance of money, watch out. cause eventually the taxpayers are going to stop donating, and want clear cut answers about the funding. Most people dont(or cannot) depart with their money due to inflation, etc. I would hate to see the motorized go.The depts that do that are incredible at it. Shame that lack of interest,and taxpayer woes are slowly killing it

[Unregistered HFD2]

If you live in any of the below LI fire districts goto the next BOFC meeting and demand to know what it cost to go train in Buffalo this weekend. Also ask them to detail what was learned in this training sessions...

Oyster Bay (TB)
North Babylon
North Bellmore
Roslyn
Cutchogue
West Islip
New Hyde Park
Westbury
Sayville
Selden
East Islip
Copiague
Islip
Bay Shore
Riverhead
Islip Terrace
Baldwin
Elmont
Levittown
West Sayville
Brentwood
Elsmere
Central Islip
Carle Place
North Lindenhurst
Glenwood
Freeport (DEK)
East Farmingdale
Lindenhurst
Hempstead
Manhasset-Lakeville
Hicksville
Port Washington
Coram
Saint James
West Hempstead


First thing that you do not understan is that every department you listed above is not a fire district. Some are incorporated villages with no fire commissioners but instead a Mayor and a Board of Trustees. If you FOIL the HFD you will no line item in the budget for the drill team because there is none. The village does not fund the drill team, the members of the drill team raise the money and if you look at our history over the years we've done pretty well.

As for Buffalo, I paid $198 for a round trip flight and $139.99 per night in a hotel for 5 nights, you do the math if you feel so inclined.

If you have a problem with the drill team in your own department, don't paint a broad brush over everyone. We have four ex-chiefs and one captain on our team and I would venture to say we have been down more hallways than you will ever imagine!!!!

Have a nice day!!!!

[Unregistered Its Simple]

regular high test gas costs close to $4.50 per gallon, racing is something whose time has come and gone, taxpayers don't want to have it whether it's by taxes or donations.

and we not you call the shots, give it up on your own or we'll find a state or county ploitco who will