How To Be A Republican

[Realist]

1- You have to believe that the nation's 8-year prosperity prior to W's administration was due to the work of Ronald Reagan and George H. Bush, but that today's growing deficit and rising gas prices are all Clinton's fault.

2- You have to believe that those privileged from birth achieve success all on thr own.

3- You have to be against government programs, except Social Security checks on time.

4- You have to believe that government should stay out of people's lives, yet you want government to regulate your personal sexual and reproductive decisions.

5- You have to believe that pollution is OK, so long as it makes a profit.

6- You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

7- You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi- national corporations should have no regulation or interference whatsoever.

8- You love Jesus and Jesus loves you and, by the way, Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and former President Clinton.

9- You have to believe that society is colorblind and growing up black in America doesn't diminish your opportunities, but you still won't vote for Alan Keyes.

10- You have to believe that it was wise to allow Ken Starr to spend $50 million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have ever been unfaithful to thr wives.

11- You have to believe that a waiting period for purchasing a handgun is bad because quick access to a new firearm is an important concern for all Americans.

12- You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

13- You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

14- You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding proportionate to the resulting death rate and that the public doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we just ignore it, it will go away.

15- You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of 6th graders if they teach them the basics of human sexuality, but the Bible, which is full of sex and violence, is good reading and right on the mark.

16- You have to believe that Chinese communist missiles have killed more Americans than handguns, alcohol, and tobacco.

17- You have to believe that even though governments have supported the arts for 5000 years and that most of the great works of Renaissance art were paid for by governments, our government should shun any such support. After all, the rich can afford to buy thr own art and the poor don't need any.

18- You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction of those forests and the extinction of the several species of plants and animals thern.

19- You have to believe that we should forgive and pray for Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde, and Bob Livingston for thr marital infidelities, but that bastard Clinton should have been impeached.

20- You have to believe that Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are God's angels and Hillary Clinton is the devil.

21- You have to believe that George W. Bush really won the last election.

All that convoluted thinking makes ya dizzy, don't it?

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[shortwave]

A pox on both parties. The Democrats are just as greedy as the Republicans. Your post proves that the Democratic party is the party of sexual perverts. Clinton didn't give a @#%$ about the native born working class. The Clinton open borders immigration policy resulted in a massive transfer of wealth from the native born working class to the super rich. Your idea of progress is millionaire John Cooper(nice home in Lloyd Neck and benneficiare of open borders)marrying his homesexual lover in an Protestant church.
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[Billybob]

And shortwave, I'm assuming you don't believe that two homosexual people who want to get married should be able to?

And also, how does Realist's post prove that democrats (and realist did not say he was a democrat) are sexual perverts? And what exactly is the sexual perversions you speak of? If it's homosexuality that you're referring to, I can probably safely assume that you don't have any gay friends or family.
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[shortwave]

Billy Bob. I come from a large family. None of my brothers and sisters are gay. I knew some gay men in college. To my horror, they all thought it was ok for grown men to have sex with young boys. I believe this sentiment is widespread in the gay male community. I view a gay marriage the same way I view a black mass oth are evil.
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[Allie62]

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shortwave - I have to say, I truly feel very sorry for you. I feel badly that the only exposure that you've had to any gay men was to pedophiles, and that is what colored your opinion. I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of gay citizens are as horrified by the sexual objectification of children as your or I, as straight adults are. The ratio of grown men who like little boys is the same among the gay community as the ration of grown men who like little girls is among the straight community. Pedophiles, gay or straight, are evil.

I think worrying about what goes on in a person's bedroom when that person is anyone but yourself (or your own significant other) at the expense of the rest of that whole person is cheating yourself. To not get to know the rest of what that person is about because you have appointed yourself judge and jury about something that is basically none of your business is unfair. Thr lifestyle doesn't affect you one way or the other - it doesn't hurt you at all, so why worry about it? The gay friends (men and women) that I have are my friends because they are good people, funny, self-sacrificing, honest and trustworthy. The fact that they are gay does not even figure into our friendships at all.

Dislike someone because they are dishonest, hurtful, or inconsiderate. Don't dislike them because of something that doesn't concern you. Life is too short to obsess about other people's lifestyles.

[shortwave]

I don't care what people do in thr bedrooms. In college, as was percieved as bng liberal(maybe I was). My gay "friends" were outraged that a liberal such as myself could be opposed to man boy relationship. I was really quite shocked by the reaction. Check out the October 1982 issue of the Village Voice.
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[Allie62]

Let's see - your words "Your post proves that the Democratic party is the party of sexual perverts."

You apparently DO care what people do in thr bedrooms. And you're apparently grossly misinformed. Again, I'm sorry that a few bad apples colored your entire vision of a significant percentage of the world's population - a percentage that contains some of the warmest, most wonderful people I've ever met. If I had a copy of the 10/82 Village Voice, I'd be happy to read it. Unfortunately, the archives on thr website don't go back that far. If it's something that you've held onto for the last 21 years just so you'd have solid "evidence" proving the inherent evil of all homosexuals, I'd be interested in hearing what it said.

[shortwave]

I do care about the heterosexual institution marriage. I'll summarize the Oct 1982 voice:a straight journalist named smith was upset that the voice gay restaurant critic advocated man boy relationship. A firestorm ensued. The straight voice journalist was attacked viciously in the letters to the editor section by the New York gay establishment. We are talking about well known New York gay activist. A couple of names you may recognize:Larry Krammer And Vito Russo. The awfull David Dinkins actually went and visted the pedophile Russo while Russo lay dying in a hospital bed from aids. This is Democratic Party in its full glory.
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[Allie62]

1. What are the details of the man/boy relationship you're talking about? Was this one specific relationship? How old were the participants? In what way did the restaurant critic "advocate"?

2. Honestly, no - I don't know the names Larry Krammer or Vito Russo. If Russo was a pedophile, I clearly seperate him and his kind from the friends that I have and the huge majority of the gay population. If you are ASSUMING that he was a pedophile, shame.

The only "facts" you've given in this whole scenario are supportive of YOUR opinion. You have not given enough of the "other" side of the story for anyone who has not read it to garner a fair opinion, so I cannot state one.

3. The Democratic Party in its full glory? What does one thing have to do with the other? There ARE gay Republicans, you know. As well as gay libertarians, gay independents, gay communists, etc. I'm sure there are gay pedophile Democrats out there, but you can't seriously think that all Dems are gay pedophiles! There ARE gay pedophile Republicans, and libertarians, and independents, and communists, etc. One member of ANY party does not speak for every member of any party. Generalizations like your comment are just wrong.

Here's a little quote you may recognize: "WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by thr Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness..." Sound familiar?

In my opinion, marriage falls under the heading "pursuit of happiness." If two consenting adults love each other, and want to share the rest of thr lives together, they should have the right to do so. How does gay marriage affect YOU? The answer is it doesn't. Not at all. So you have no right to criticize it. Live and let live. If you open your mind and your heart, you ease your mind and your heart.

Seng your previous comments, there's nothing else I have to say to you. I suppose bigotry and prejudice is everywhere and always will be.

[shortwave]

But not in a christian church. Who is stopping you from getting married? I'm just opposed to its recogniton by the state. Maybe something can be worked out with spousal bennefits. I just don't accept the undefended principle that all discrimination is wrong.
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[Billybob]

You're saying that discrimination is okay in some cases?

And how about the separation of church and state? Should Christian values enforce legal principals, including homophobia?

It's just so clear to me that if a person is gay, and is happy bng gay, then you have NO right to prevent them from pursuing that relationship. Especially in a legal sense.

And can you really not separate homosexuality from pedophilia? That's really crazy (it seems to me). Pedophilia is against the law, and for good reason. It messes children up. But homosexuality is a person's choice, and just because you feel uncomfortable with the notion that another guy would find you attractive doesn't mean we need to legally ban the union of two men.

What logical reason is there to keep two people who love each other from legally marrying? Some outdated notion of bng fruitful and multiplying? Is it just "evil"? I don't understand. People WANT this, so why shouldn't they be allowed to have it?
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[shortwave]

Legalized Gay marriage is a threat to the Heterosexual institution of marriage. Polygamy is illegal. You think it is obvious that discrimination is always wrong. I don't see this principal as bng obviously true.
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[Billybob]

"Legalized Gay marriage is a threat to the Heterosexual institution of marriage."

HOW? Explain. This is an assertion, and it really needs to be backed up with evidence, or at l an explaination.
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[shortwave]

If legalized gay marriage did threaten the Heterosexual institution of marriage, would you then join me biilybob in opposing legalized gay marriage?
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[Billybob]

Well, that's an odd question.

HOW does homosexual marriage threaten ANYTHING? Let alone heterosexual marriage.

Man, I'm sick of assertions.
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[shortwave]

If heterosexual men percve marriage as a gay institution, they will very likely avoid marriage. Thiis would not be a healthy state of affairs for scociety. It may already be happenning now.
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[Allie62]

O M G. shortwave, you're HYSTERICAL!! Er, you *did* mean that to be funny, didn't you?

If a heterosexual man doesn't want to get married because it might be percved that he has homosexual tendencies, than he's got much bigger problems to deal with! Oh - lookie there - thousands of years of marriage - *poof!* - destroyed - right out the window! Uh oh - does that make my mom and dad gay? How about YOUR mom and dad? How about me and my husband? Oh my goodness. The world has turned upside down because we let grownups make thr own decisions! The end of the world must be coming - it's Armaggedon time!!! Everyone - run for cover!!!

Homophobia is NOT funny. It's sad and it's dangerous. You, shortwave, are clearly a homophobe. Because you discriminate against gays, do you also discriminate against Jews? against blacks? against women? against people with disabilities? No - there IS NO acceptable form of discrimination. Discrimination is the sign of a fearful mind. What are you afraid of?

Oh, and before you again throw out the "Christian" card, remember - Jesus Christ, the FOUNDER of Christianity (perhaps you've heard of Him) loved EVERYONE. Unconditionally. He did not discriminate, though He was discriminated against. Fundamental extremists who use religion as a reason for hate (as opposed to fundamental extremists who don't) are the worst kind of hypocrite.

[shortwave]

Allie I don't dislike you because you are gay. In fact, I think your a very nice person.. Final thoughts: I hate the Democratic party;I hate the Republucan party;I hate the Greens(bomb throwing rag pickers);The libertarians are the party of extreme greed;Bill O'Rielly and Sean Hannity are chickenhawks and are both evil in the biblcal sense for supporting a war of aggression against weak and defenseless nation ; Ann Couter is a skank and William F Buckley looks like a rotting piece of meat, he will rot in hell also. I hope this helps
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[Allie62]

I'm a 41yo straight woman.

[shortwave]

I like you even better. Are you pretty?
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[midgetbones]

So in your just because someone or some group of people want something means they should have it or that they deserve it? That is screwed up logic Billybob. That is a sad excuse for gay marriages.

"Bill O'Rielly and Sean Hannity are chickenhawks and are both evil in the biblcal sense for supporting a war of aggression against weak and defenseless nation "

So I am evil in a "Biblical sense" also?
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[Billybob]

"So in your just because someone or some group of people want something means they should have it or that they deserve it?"

I think that's a distortion of what I said. In order to deny gay people the legal right to marry (which they WANT), you must be claiming that there is something wrong with two men or two women wanting to enter that institution. Is that what you're claiming? Why?

It's not an issue of frivilous wants.
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