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Reality
12-02-2003, 02:37 PM
It's truly amazing that the likes of huckster "Rev. Al", (who still owes a $345,000 1998 civil judgement to prosecutor Steven Pagones for defamation after the Tawana Brawley hoax) will now be elibible to recve hundreds of thousands (maybe even millions) of taxpayers dollars to run for president. But....at l now we all know WHY he's running! ONLY IN AMERICA! So go ahead...keep checking that box on your IRS 1040 to donate tax dollars to the presidential election fund...this is where some of it will go every year.

Presidential hopefuls' defections from public financing give rivals a boost
By Sharon Thmer, Associated Press Writer, 11/19/2003

WASHINGTON -- Fund-raising front-runners President Bush, Howard Dean and John Kerry are giving the rest of the presidential candidates a short-term boost in the wallet by skipping taxpayer financing next year.

Because the three are turning away the assistance from taxpayers who check a box on thr returns, the ght candidates still participating in the program are expected to get substantially more federal money at the start of the primary season.

The Federal Election Commission initially estimated candidates would only get 40 cents to 50 cents of every dollar they were entitled to when the first checks are sent in January.

But Bush, Dean and Kerry are saving the program millions with thr decision, meaning the rest of the candidates could get roughly 75 cents to 80 cents on the dollar, based on an Associated Press analysis of FEC and campaign estimates.

"By opting out of the system, Dean and Kerry and Bush before them have actually helped the candidates who stay in the system by reducing the shortfall," said Larry Noble, a former FEC attorney who heads the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

Under a program set up after Watergate to reduce the influence of big money in presidential elections, the government matches up to $250 of every private donation qualified candidates collect for thr primary campaigns. The maximum assistance any candidate can recve is $18.7 million.

About one in 11 taxpayers checks the box sending $3 in federal money -- it does not cost taxpayers anything from thr refunds -- to the presidential matching fund. The program frequently runs short on cash.

Candidates typically make up the "matching fund" shortfalls with loans while waiting for the fund to be replenished. That costs the campaign extra in interest payments.

In the 2000 primaries, candidates recved about 50 cents of every dollar they were entitled to in January, compared to about 60 cents on the dollar in 1996.

Dean's departure alone had a major impact. The former Vermont governor, who has done particularly well drawing small-dollar donors, would have been entitled to at l $15 million from the program had he stayed in, the FEC estimates.

Wesley Clark is expected to get one of the biggest initial payments -- roughly $5.5 million if matchable donations continue coming in at the pace they have been. The Clark campaign estimates he will have raised about $15.5 million by year's end, roughly 44 percent of it matchable.

According to rough estimates from other campaigns, Dick Gephardt will get about $5 million from the fund in January; Joe Lieberman, around $4 million; Dennis Kucinich roughly $3.3 million; and Lyndon LaRouche, up to $850,000.

Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun are expected to get a few hundred thousand dollars from the fund initially if they take part, the FEC estimates.

John Edwards' campaign declined to provide an estimate. The FEC projects that based on his fund raising through September, the period covered by the latest campaign finance reports, the North Carolina senator will be eligible for at l $3.2 million. If Edwards accumulates matchable donations at the same pace this quarter as he has previously, he would get a first payment in the $4 million range.

Together, it appears the candidates will initially be eligible for roughly $23 million in matching funds. The FEC estimates the fund will have about $18.2 million to give out in January; a February shortfall is also expected, as the program waits for tax returns to replenish the fund.

Noble said that while bigger initial payouts are a plus, Democrats taking the public money would probably prefer taking out larger loans to facing primary rivals operating outside the system.

That's because Dean, Kerry and Bush aren't bound by the system's state-by-state spending caps or its overall $45 million spending limit.

Campaign watchdog groups have urged them to abide by the program's limits anyway; only Kerry plans to do so, and only by the overall limit

Billybob
12-03-2003, 09:09 AM
Wow, it sure is hypocritical to focus your attention on this. George W. Bush's administration is the biggest example of cash and carry government in American history. He and his corporate contacts are making a killing (literally) from America's forgn and domestic policy under Bush, and the Bush family is personally making millions. Do you disagree?

If you don't (and it's, uh, impossible to deny this), then perhaps you should realize that public financing of political campaigns is a GOOD thing. It eliminates the possibility that someone can get elected solely by catering to rich, which is exactly what the Republican party is doing these days. But once again, Americans are stupidly afraid of any and all taxes, and the GOP uses this to push thr deregulation and privatization plans which does NOT make life easier or better for anyone.
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Reality
12-03-2003, 03:12 PM
Quote:and the Bush family is personally making millions. Do you disagree?"

I am doubtful, but I can't totally disagree because I haven't researched it. Obviously you have, so please post the facts and data (not someone else's opinion please) that you refer to in making this statement. I am aware that prior to becoming President, GW made a fortune in business dealings, but I'd like to hear about the recent millions you say his family is personally making.

Quote:public financing of political campaigns is a GOOD thing. It eliminates the possibility that someone can get elected solely by catering to rich, which is exactly what the Republican party is doing these days.

This is not true. The concept might be a good thing if all candidates were forced to participate and were limited in spending, but that's not how it works. Candidates can opt out of the public financing, and are then able to spend any amount they want. Both Dems and Republicans routinely do this to avoid campaign spending limits. The only candidates who take the money are those who can't raise enough on thr own.

As far as catering to the rich...the Republicans certainly are not alone. After all, who was it that rented out rooms in the White House to millionaires and pardoned fugitive billionaire Marc Rich? Care to guess?

BTW, please don't forget to post the data on how many millions GW and his family have made, I'm really curious.

Vegaman
12-04-2003, 07:04 AM
I hate the fact that Al Sharpton is getting $1 of our tax money. But what I hate more is the fact that bush gets $5,000 of our tax money (for every $1 Sharpton may get).

Stay with me on this on. See, when we give $87B to Iraq, Halliburton ends up with it and subsequently finds creative ways to disburse some of that money to bush.

On a $200,000 project... with no competition thr mark up is about 1,000,000% so they'll have plenty to give!

With Sharpton pittance..I can stop it. With bush handfull ..I cannot stop it!

Plus bush take that money..and throuth ads and promotions further stifle anything that may be democratic..ensuring that only big businesses have a say in American politics!

Based on all those facts...as a tax payer...I prefer having Sharpton problem any day!

Reality
12-04-2003, 03:01 PM
is what you posted. Anyone with any resources and wealth has stock and/or a financial interest in some corporation or another. Hell, even I do, and I'm definitely NOT a millionaire. All your post says is that GW and his friends/business associates have some financial interests in numerous businesses that may profit from the war in Iraq. I'm sure they also have interests in businesses that DON'T profit from the war as well. So...this tells me nothing. You stated that GW and his family are making millions from the war. Who is paying him, and where does it appear on his tax returns? Or, are you saying both he and his family are taking money "under the table" and therefore are tax cheats as well?

Sorry, I think you are doing nothing but postulating and repeating what is bng said by the left, and can prove none of it.

Billybob
12-09-2003, 04:13 PM
Reality,

your flat out denial thast the Bush administration personally profits from the actions they take is a little odd to me.

I mean, first of all, just type "Bush corporate connections" (or some other variation) into google, and you'll get a wealth of information detailing exactly WHY Vegaman's comments are true.

And I feel the need to spew some opinions about wallstreet, which you've spoken highly of in a few of your posts. First of all, the movie "Wallstreet" pretty much sums up exactly how that whole community is corrupt, and how it has nothing to do with good business. It's just people with money (and in the late 80s and early 90s, people WITHOUT money) moving that money from place to place, based on PROJECTED numbers more than actual tangible success. In the 90s, people were encouraged to buy stocks, which did a great job of inflating the stock values. Many CEOs and general corporate insiders knew about this, and exploited it as best they could. In many many cases, they committed accounting fraud in order to inflate thr worth, then sold thr stocks before they crashed, leaving small investors and employees out to dry. That was the Enron story, and many many others, according to the Better Business Bureau and various other watchdog groups. I think the wallstreet system (or at l the wallstreet mentality) is extremely flawed, and responsible for much of the corporate corruption that flagues this country. Anyway, that's my $.02
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Reality
12-17-2003, 03:10 PM
have changed the subject again. This thread was started with Al Sharpton, not President Bush.

This is par for the course when one cannot argue the subject matter at hand.