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Billybob
11-11-2003, 09:27 AM
Rumsfeld retreats, disclaims earlier rhetoric
Rumsfeld denies he ever made several pre-war statements.


Published November 09. 2003 8:30AM

BY ERIC ROSENBERG
HEARST NEWSPAPERS


WASHINGTON - In the lead-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said U.S. forces would be welcomed by the Iraqi citizenry and that Saddam Hussn had large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.

Now, after both statements have been shown to be ther incorrect or vastly exaggerated, Rumsfeld - with the same trademark confidence that he exuded before the war - is denying that he ever made such assertions.

In recent testy exchanges with reporters, Rumsfeld interrupted the questioners and attacked the premise of the questions if they dealt with his pre-war comments about weapons of mass destruction and Americans-as-liberators.

For example, on Feb. 20, a month before the invasion, Rumsfeld fielded a question about whether Americans would be greeted as liberators if they invaded Iraq.

"Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?" Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS' "The News Hour."

"There is no question but that they would be welcomed," Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces. "Go back to Afghanistan, the people were in the streets playing music, cheering, flying kites, and doing all the things that the Taliban and the al-Qaeda would not let them do."

The Americans-as-liberators theme was repeated by other senior administration officials in the weeks preceding the war, including Rumsfeld's No. 2 - Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz - and Vice President Cheney.

But on Sept. 25, - a particularly bloody day in which one U.S. soldier was killed in an ambush, ght Iraqi civilians died in a mortar strike and a member of the U.S-appointed governing council died after an assassination attempt five days earlier - Rumsfeld was asked about the surging resistance.

"Before the war in Iraq, you stated the case very eloquently and you said . . . they would welcome us with open arms," Sinclair Broadcasting anchor Morris Jones said to Rumsfeld as the prelude to a question.

The defense chief quickly cut him off.
"Never said that," he said. "Never did. You may remember it well, but you're thinking of somebody else. You can't find, anywhere, me saying anything like ther of those two things you just said I said."

When testifying about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction before the House Armed Services Committee Sept. 18, 2002, Rumsfeld said Saddam "has amassed large clandestine stocks of biological weapons." including anthrax and botulism toxin and possibly smallpox. His regime has amassed large clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX and sarin and mustard gas."

Saddam
Saddam "has at this moment stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons," he later added, repeating the charges the next day before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

He repeated that theme in the weeks preceding the war.

Last month, after U.S. weapons hunters reported to the administration and Congress that they have yet to find a single weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, Rumsfeld was asked about his earlier statements.

A reporter at a Pentagon news conference asked: "In retrospect, were you a little too far-leaning in your statement that Iraq categorically had caches of weapons, of chemical and biological weapons, given what's been found to date? You painted a picture of extensive stocks" of Iraqi mass-killing weapons.

"Wait," Rumsfeld interjected. "You go back and give me something that talks about extensive stocks. The U.N. reported extensive stocks. That is where that came from. I said what I believed to be the case, and I don't - I'd be surprised if you found the word 'extensive."'

With the weapons hunt in its ghth month, Rumsfeld also has backtracked on his earlier assertions that American troops knew where the forbidden weapons were hidden.

On March 30, 11 days into the war, Rumsfeld said in an ABC News interview when asked about WMDs: "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and , west, south and north somewhat."

In comments Sept. 10 before the National Press Club, Rumsfeld conceded that he may have overreached. "I said, 'We know they're in that area," Rumsfeld said. "I should have said, 'I believe we're in that area. Our intelligence tells us they're in that area,' and that was our best judgment."

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and , west, south and north somewhat."

Donald Rumsfeld
On March 30, on alleged weapons of mass distruction in Iraq.

"I should have said, 'I believe they're in that area.' "



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azellyn
11-11-2003, 05:06 PM
what else is new?
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Billybob
11-12-2003, 07:43 AM
I agree that this is not unexpected, but I think the people who DO notice the inconsistancies and lies are prone to simply yelling "liar!", rather than pointing out the specific lies.

It's important to note that this stuff is really happening. These people say one thing then do another, THEN claim they never said it in the first place. It's really crazy, and for the most part, the only people who notice are news junkies who read enough during the day to find the conflicting information.

But those who simply watch the evening news tend not to get this stuff, since television is now a medium that rejects any thought, creativity, or investigation.
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midgetbones
11-12-2003, 01:52 PM
I don't know why he retracted his statements about bng welcomed with open arms. We were in fact welcomed with open arms. Of course seng it with my own eyes probably isn't valid enough evidence to support this. Because we have had exstensive casualties since the major ground war does not in any way provide proof that the Iraqis didn't welcome and appreciate our invasion. And if you want to argue that then feel free, you are arguing not with news sources but an actual experience. Yes there were demonstrations pushing there views and yes there are still plenty of people that support Saddam's former regime. But that doesn't make up the majority.
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Billybob
11-12-2003, 02:15 PM
Midgetbones, even if you WERE there, your views can't provide proof of the majority ther. You were, after all, only in one place at a time.

And how much of your information was filtered through your superiors, and how much of it did you actually witness first hand? Uh, that's more of a question than an accusation. Pardon me.
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midgetbones
11-13-2003, 04:58 AM
okay, I'll speak for the entire Wassit Province all the way up to just south of Baghdad since I WAS all over that area constantly. And go ahead and throw Tikrit in there because the other Battalion that we came home with told us that the people loved the Marines there and were policing thr own. But you are right, as for the rest of Iraq I can't speak. I guess the areas Marines were at were just special.

"And how much of your information was filtered through your superiors, and how much of it did you actually witness first hand? Uh, that's more of a question than an accusation. Pardon me."

that makes no sense. Are you saying they had all of us sitting in a room doing nothing for seven months and every once and a while our superiors would come in this room and tell us how the people are accepting us? Give me a break. First hand accounts Billybob. I know it gets under your skin that I actually have a very valid opinion from bng over there. The question is, why?
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Billybob
11-13-2003, 08:32 AM
No, it doesn't get under my skin that these were your experiences.

Its just very strange. America dissolved the Iraqi army (a VERY bad move in my opinion), leaving millions without work. We destroyed thr infrastructure, and have yet to repair it. Moreover, the "rebuilding" is bng done by American corporations with suspicious ties to the Bush administration. Iraqis are out of work, still largely without power, and the resistance to the American occupation is growing. What evidence is there that the Iraqis love us over there? Are you 100% certain that this guerilla war is perpetrated by "Saddam loyalists"? This wonderful site from a girl in Baghdad, I'd tend to trust more than your cursory, and forgn observations of the situation.

riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

And remember WE are the forgn fighters in Iraq. Since when do we have the right to label others as such?
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