What? No Rush Threads...?

[azellyn]

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned pillboy yet.

Did you know that Rush Limbaugh had a hearing loss? (Of course you did). Did you know that painkillers like Vicodin cause hearing loss? Do you remember that his hearing loss took place years ago? Which means he has probably been abusing drugs for years. What @#%$ pain is he in other than facing himself in the mirror every day?

Which leads me to another question. If pillboy has been abusing drugs to the tune of ten of thousands of dollars, and if, as has been confirmed, police have known since at l November 2002 that he was making illegal drug buys like this, why has not one attempt been made to take him into custody? Why are we hearing already that there is no interest in Rush's activities, only in getting the dealers who sold to him?

Could it be that the governor of Florida is Bush's brother that's stopping the legal action against Rush that would have been taken long ago if it were anybody else facing the same charges? Just wondering...

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[JoJO]

Another example of how the Republican Right portrays itself as more upright and moral than others when in fact they are nothing special. This brings to mind others who ardently preach one thing and do another; Jimmy Swaggart, etc., etc.
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[Yonivore]

Talk about conclusion jumping and yet, there's no way Saddam Hussn could have had weapons of mass destruction. Even though there's more circumstantial evidence pointing to that than there is pointing to all the wrd @#%$ you just posted.

You people take the cake.
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[wookibender]

Yonivore,
What you don't realize is that Rush has had the opportunity to say he is innocent and didn't do it, he is saying nothing.
That to me indicates he is guilty.

The sad thing is Rush most likely caused his own hearing problems.
Misuse of Pain Drug linked to Hearing Loss

Quote:In Rushes own words...

"There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and nghborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."

Quote:Yonivore says:
Even though there's more circumstantial evidence pointing to that than there is pointing to all the wrd @#%$ you just posted.

You people take the cake.

In regards to all the wrd sh*t...
Quote: Drug addiction was a medical problem when Jeb Bush's 26-year-old daughter, Noelle, was arrested last year for trying to use a fraudulent prescription to buy Xanax. She went to a drug rehabilitation program, where she was caught with more prescription pills, and later she was accused of having crack cocaine. Still, it was a medical problem.
So Jeb can continue busting people he doesn't know and puting them in prison, yet the one's he does know are special case "Medicial Problems"
It makes me wonder too?



What a blow to the Republicans.

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[Yonivore]

...realize is that Rush Limbaugh owes you no explanation. None, zero, zilch.

Right now you have allegations. No criminal charges, no arrest. Just allegations...

I like the way you weasels pick the guilty from the innocent based on party affiliation and political ideology. Wow, that's a real talent.
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[azellyn]

And the fact that you would rather not hear it, only highlights the hypocrisy that is rampant among you CONs.

When others break the law, you demand an explanation. When a CON does it, you turn a blind eye.

So what do you people stand for...because you have no morals? You thrive on disinformation and lies.
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[Yonivore]

Rush Limbaugh isn't an elected official spending my tax dollars.

There's a difference.
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[Yonivore]

It's possible they'll treat Rush just like any other common "alleged" drug user in Palm Beach County, in spite of his celebrity.

Quote:From an e-mail I recved - you provide the link if you're interested.

Limbaugh won't be prosecuted, attorneys wager

By John Pacenti, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Saturday, October 4, 2003
WEST PALM BEACH -- Rush Limbaugh's alleged addiction to painkillers may be documented in e-mails. His reported drug deals may have been taped by his former housekeeper. And the talkative maid and her handyman husband could even be willing to testify against the Conservative talk-show host. They sure were willing to spill everything to a supermarket tabloid.

But the chance of criminal charges ever bng filed against Limbaugh is next to nil, say criminal defense attorneys who have handled numerous drug cases.
And some local lawyers say they are hearing from sources within State Attorney Barry Krischer's office that Limbaugh -- who lives in a $24 million mansion on Palm Beach -- will indeed not be charged.

Sources also said Limbaugh won't even be questioned by law enforcement officials, unless the commentator chooses to cooperate on his own.

Roy Black is the Miami powerhouse attorney Limbaugh has reportedly hired to represent him. But Black, who has represented such celebrities as Marv Albert and William Kennedy Smith, won't return calls to confirm he has been retained. And Limbaugh said on his radio show Friday he wasn't at liberty to address the allegations.
James Martz, the prosecutor who heads up a task force on money-laundering, said he is more interested in finding the heads of such distribution cells as opposed to prosecuting low-level drug users -- whether they are celebrities or not.

Plus, to prosecute drug abusers, authorities need to catch them in possession of the illegal substance, he said. "Shy of that, we have very little leverage in the state system," Martz said.

What it all comes down to, attorneys say, is that the court of public opinion is a far cry from the court of law.
"I think that the state better have a heck of a lot more than what I'm seng, hearing and reading right now," attorney Michael Salnick said. "First of all you have a major credibility issue with these witnesses. The credibility issue starts with the fact they sold thr story to The National Enquirer."

The former maid, Wilma Cline, and her husband, David Cline, told The Enquirer for its latest edition that Limbaugh bulldogged them into supplying him with thousands of painkillers between 1998 and 2002. They said Limbaugh took hydrocodone, Lorcet and OxyContin.
The story came out on the heels of Limbaugh resigning from his job as an ESPN sports analyst after he said Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted a black quarterback to succeed.

Maid said she taped transactions. (A crime in itself)

It is unknown if the timing was coincidental, but The Enquirer's story is full of juicy details. According to the piece, it all started when Limbaugh asked for some extra pain pills from David Cline's legitimate prescription for a back injury. Soon, Limbaugh demanded that they continue to supply him with pills when the prescription ran out. That's when Wilma Cline started keeping a log of her deliveries and preserved desperate e-mails from Limbaugh in which he referred to pills as "small blue babies."

Wilma Cline said she would meet Limbaugh in parking lots, passing a cigar box filled with pills through his Mercedes' window.

During her two last drug deliveries, Wilma Cline told The Enquirer, she secretly audiotaped the transactions.
Late last year, the Clines went to prosectors, who gave them immunity. Sources say the couple helped prosecutors in thr investigation into tracking some 450,000 pills of hydrocodone back to the source.
Authorities believe some of Limbaugh's supply was dispensed from a small suburban Lake Worth pharmacy, World Health Association. The couple that ran the operation, Gloria and Louis Beshara, were arrested in May, seven months after the Clines came forward. The Besharas currently face trafficking charges.

Also, what could undermine the Clines' credibility is that David Cline has a criminal history.

He was arrested in 1982 in Collier County for cocaine trafficking, serving five years in prison. In 2000, he was arrested on charges of identity theft -- using the name George Earl Taylor -- of possessing a fake driver license and fake vehicle registration, as well as possession of marijuana and resisting arrest. He served 18 months probation.

It is unknown if the couple recved full immunity from prosecutors for information they gave about how they provided pills for Limbaugh. If Wilma Cline did tape Limbaugh without his knowledge, that is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison, attorneys say. Plus, Martz said such tapings can't even be heard by prosecutors. As for e-mail evidence, Martz said any such evidence is problematic because there is trouble verifying who sent the e-mail.

So where does this leave Limbaugh's criminal liability?
"I think it's legal suicide to go after a guy like Limbaugh with evidence as flimsy as this," Salnick said.

Two former prosecutors, now in private practice, agree.
Robert Gershman said most of the time, users are prosecuted only for possession. He said the Clines probably wouldn't have even gotten in the door of the state attorney's office if they weren't outing a celebrity.
Marc Shiner said the celebrity issue taints the case. "Why would drug dealers turn in thr client unless they are trying to save thr own neck -- or trying to make a couple hundred thousand dollars peddling thr story to the tabloids?" he asked.

"If I was Roy Black, I'd be sitting on the beach right now sipping a pina colada or watching a Marlins game and not worrying too much about Rush Limbaugh's criminal liability right now."
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[azellyn]

years under the influence of drugs. And part of that four years he lambasted others for thr breaches of morality while he was acting imorally. And yet, you CONs find nothing wrong with it.

Hypocrisy at it's finest.
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[NYIndependence]

I'm a proponent of drug legalization, but I do think there is something wrong with an anti-drug advocate bng a possible user himself. However, I have seen no credible evidence that would suggest he is guilty (not to mention the fact that he is innocent until proven guilty). So azellyn hears what he wants about who he wants and regurgitates that information like a parrot.
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[wookibender]

Quote:I have seen no credible evidence that would suggest he is guilty (not to mention the fact that he is innocent until proven guilty).

If Rush is innocent, would you think that at the VERY L.... he would say these allogations are not true.

Rush says nothing.... what does that tell you?

He is waiting to figure out if he is going to be charged then make a statement. I know, and you know that if you were innocent of these charges and the press was about to break down your door then you would give them a quick "I'm innocent" statement and be done with it....

But no, he is silent... probably trying to figure out how to unleash this story in the l harmful way.

Credible Evidence you say.... how about the study that taking these types of drugs is linked to hearing loss. Is that credible?
Read link above...

Then Read the link below...
The Rush Limbaugh Hearing Loss Time Line
Rush Caused His Own Hearing Loss

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[SuzieQ]

Rush just went off the air and admitted that he does have a drug problem because of a bad back that was operated on a few years ago and failed. He is going in to drug re-hab for a month. He could not comment on the criminal aspect as he is under investigation at the moment but he will tell us all when he can. How about giving him a break as all the other celebrities come forward with this type of thing and there is no big hullabaloo about it. Most probably I am going to hear all kinds of horrible comments about his situation.
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[wookibender]

Quote:Give Rush a Break
Are you kidding?

This is the guy that has verbally attacked drug users when he was one himself.
Let me repeat this quote...
Quote: "There's nothing good about drug use," he was saying. "We know it. It destroys individuals. It destroys families. Drug use destroys societies. Drug use, some might say, is destroying this country. And we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and nghborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."

After Jerry Garcia died, Rush called him "just another dead junkie"?

Quote:he does have a drug problem because of a bad back that was operated on a few years ago and failed.

If that was fully the case then why would he not continue to get his Doctor's percription because of this failed operation???

He should appologize for all the harsh comments he has made in the past about drug users. Then I could consider giving the guy a break. If he never made such comments then what ever... We all make mistakes.

He is Hypocritical Republican SCUM
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[Realist]

OK, no horrible comments about Rush. But since Rush has spent so much time espousing his anti-drug opinions in the past, I think it would only be appropriate that he be given the maximum possible jail term for possession of "sale quanties" of drugs. Edited by: Realist at: 10/10/03 4:43 pm

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[azellyn]

Where are all of you who defended his innocence?

Oh well, too much to expect you to eat crow. Guess I'll go out on the street and try to cop some "Rush".

I want to see why pillboy was so enthralled with this drug that this is his third time, THIRD TIME, going into rehab for it.


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[Nattydread]

Its amusing to watch this fat bastard actually morph into the very people he critisize for a living. Nothing but a two-bit worthless scum-bag druggie! And make no mistake about it..getting high on pain killers is the same as getting high on cocaine!

Make no distinction between him and Darryl Strawberry, or Robert Downy Jr...they are all cut from the same material!

And this is the guy that lead conservatives on a daily basis? This is your saviour?
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[wookibender]

Perhaps the funniest thing is his listeners and supporters sypathizing with him like a liberal, the lowest common denominator in thr minds. They even sound a bit like a Clinton apologist.
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:He is Hypocritical Republican SCUM
Omit that statement and you made some very good points
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[wookibender]

Quote:Omit that statement and you made some very good points

Only if Rush were to appologize to the people for his comments on drug users. Until then, my statement stands.

Hypocritical Republican SCUM
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[SuzieQ]

I like Rush for his sensible thoughts and his ability to analyze situations. I do not care about his personal demons. He has the ability to overcome his disabilities and comes through the radio with great insight on topics that are interesting and thoughtful. At l he is honest and did not lie like some people we know!! You folks do not like what he has to say, so you are clapping your hands with glee because he has faultered. Why do you listen to him if you do not like what he has to say? As I said before, if I do not like what someone has to say, I do not listen. You all have a choice but apparently you percieve him as some kind of a threat to your liberal way of thinking and you know he is right. I would never listen to the Clinton's or any of the silly movie stars because I do not like thr thoughts. I do not listen to NPR and I did not listen to Phil Donahue. Simple as that.
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[cologio]

How can you know a person's thoughts if you don't listen? Listening does not mean you have to agree but shows that you have an open mind. Hearing only one side of an argument keeps you from having any food for thought. I think Limbaugh is an ass but I will listen to him because I want to be clear on what I don't agree with. Become familiar with all sides of an issue then make up your own mind. Don't let somebody else decide what is good and what is bad. It is, afterall, what freedom and our country is all about.

[SuzieQ]

You are right. I do listen to both sides and I have decided that the liberal thinking is not what I agree with. So, I choose to listen to conservative thinkers. I do not listen to NPR, etc. and get myself all worked up because they do not think like I do.. I just tune them out.
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[wookibender]

Quote:I do not listen to NPR, etc. and get myself all worked up because they do not think like I do.. I just tune them out.

Tuning out is bng ignorant and stupid.

Not every issue is black and white. Both sides often have very good points that are just plain common sence. Knowing both sides helps you to make the right decision that is best for all. Not all Liberals are evil nor Conserviatives. Many of us think there are good qualities on each side. Open your mind a little and listen.

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[SuzieQ]

I listen to a lot of things but I do not like when folks muddy up issues when there is a simple straightforward solution. Not everything has to be discussed from every facet. Cut to the chase and that's it! I like to consider myself an independent and do believe two heads are better than one. After I analyze most issues though, I tend to lean toward the conservative solution. As an example. If someone beats someone up, the criminal deserves his punishment. I do not want to hear excuses as to why he did it as I do not care. I care that someone who, through no fault of thr own, was beat up and he deserves my sympathy. I am sick and tired of people trying to coddle the criminals and portraying the victims as if it were thr fault they were atttacked. All the liberal Judges have turned our judicial system upside down and people are finding all sorts of excuses for not going on jury duty so you do not get a good mix of people to listen to cases.
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[azellyn]

Quote:If someone beats someone up, the criminal deserves his punishment. I do not want to hear excuses as to why he did it as I do not care. I care that someone who, through no fault of thr own, was beat up and he deserves my sympathy. I am sick and tired of people trying to coddle the criminals and portraying the victims as if it were thr fault they were atttacked.

Then I take it you are against Rush's illegal drug use?
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[wookibender]

Exactly...
Do you care about Rush's story? Why he broke the law?

Certainly there are others like Rush that more or less accidentally got into the situation that he did?
If we were to follow your logic, then we would need hundreds of new prisons and we would need to tax you more to pay for such services.

Quote:I care that someone who, through no fault of thr own, was beat up and he deserves my sympathy.

Do you care about innocent gays bng beat up by conservative narrow minded people?

Do you care about innocent people living in poverty who might feel the need to steal some food to survive?

Do you care to hear any of these sides of the story or just put everyone in prison who breaks the law... no questions asked?

Quote:I am sick and tired of people trying to coddle the criminals and portraying the victims as if it were thr fault they were atttacked.

Are you sick of the Catholic church coddling prsts who are child mollesters and hiding and moving them into different communities?

Can you give me some other examples of coddling criminals? I would really like to know?
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[Yonivore]

...exactly what crime did Rush commit?
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[Nattydread]

We really don't care about his plight..in fact to many it is comical..and they are right! But if you listen religously to him..buy his books...'man have you been conned'!

The good part is..this jackass no longer have any credibility! Oh..he'll come back all right..but we can safely dismiss him and his followers as "trailer park rhetoric"!
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:The good part is..this jackass no longer have any credibility!
Like when Jesse Jackson called New York "hymietown". From that day forth, Jesse never dared call anyone else racist...

This is obviously a tremendous blow to Rush's credibility, but let's be honest, no matter your political affiliation, you have to admit that you know this won't adversely affect his ratings. Whether it is a fair conclusion or not, his audience will not blame him for an addiction to drugs that were initially prescribed to him, as they would to the common marijuana user.
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[SuzieQ]

Good people are fallible. I myself suffered from migraines since I was a little child. (13). When the pain gets so intense, you do not care about anything other than stopping the pain. Luckily, I did not become addicted to my prescription medicine as many folks do. It was only the luck of the draw that kept me from the same fate as Rush. I do not have to take medication any longer as the migraines finally went away after many years. TAking drugs for recreational use is entirely different than taking it for pain. If you have never experienced that kind of pain, perhaps that is why you cannot be more compassionate of Rush. Most pain relievers can become addictive. So, I know many of you hate Rush for his politics, but do not throw stones in this instance because it can happen to any one of us. So far we do not know if he was really buying drugs off the street. Rush's argument against illicit drugs is different. By taking drugs for recreation, you are supporting criminals and it is hurting many people in this country. You are also supporting the terrorist who wish to destroy our country.
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[Nattydread]

Jesse Jackson ..like Rush limbaugh attracts the very dregs of our society! That was and is thr fan base! I've failed to see a difference between the two over the years. I don't know why you brought up Jesse Jackson..but since you did ..I'll agree with you on this one.

And I also believe his fan base will remain..half those dead beats maybe on drugs themselves or too stupid to comprehend the situation. No surprise there.

Here we have SuzieQ saying people are fallible apologizing for rush. I may fail an exam, fail to get a promotion, fail to finish that marathon...BUT I'LL NEVER DO DRUGS! So if doing drugs makes you fallible....I'M PERFECT!
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[Ellen Fisk]

Quote:Exactly what crime did Rush commit?

I don't know what country you lived in before moving to the good ole U.S. of A. ("Yonivore" - Russian?) but here, in the U.S., it is illegal to buy opiate-type prescription drugs from unlicensed street dealers who sell them to those who wish to get high. Maybe in Russia black market drugs to get high off of are "o.k." but here in America we care about what is peddled on our streets because it affects our children, and to us children are very important. Users like Rush Limbaugh don't care that they are financing these peddlers and thr ability to then promote these drugs to children. But it seems from reading your posts that you will not understand what I am saying here. It seems that people like you cannot understand the morals of people like me who have grown up with an apparently very different ethical upbringing.

[NYIndependence]

Do you really think Rush's audience is exclusively conservative? I promise you that Rush would not be where he is today if it was not for a sizable liberal audience that listens to his show for various reasons.
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[wookibender]

Quote:By taking drugs for recreation, you are supporting criminals and it is hurting many people in this country. You are also supporting the terrorist who wish to destroy our country.
How are you supporting terrorists who wish to destroy our Country? Please explain.... I don't get it? I'm not saying it's not true.. I just want some examples to understand your point.


On the flip side, let's look at smoking cigarettes.
1. People use them for Recreation...
2. Our government pays farmers to grow it.
3. It is the most addictive substance legally sold.
4. More people die of smoking cigarettes than all other drugs combined.
5. It hurts many other people from second hand smoke.
6. And it supports the US government in tax revenue.

I view it as our government paying to kill it own people.

Who's the Terrorist in this situation?


Quote:Taking drugs for recreational use is entirely different than taking it for pain. If you have never experienced that kind of pain, perhaps that is why you cannot be more compassionate of Rush.
I agree, except that Rush has verbally attacked drug users. If he were to publically make an apology then I could find compassion for him.

The same can be said for people on Welfare. Most Conservative Republicans are of the middle class and above, and have no idea what it is like to live in poverty and need assistance from the government. Perhaps that is why you cannot be more compassionate of the poor and needy?



Quote:Yonivore says:
Exactly what crime did Rush commit?
Even more proof of what a dumb ass this guy is.
He's not Russian... He's from TEXAS!!!
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[Nattydread]

Rush is a drug user ...and like all drug user he is weak. People use drugs because they do not have the strength to deal with life on life's term.
I have never listen to rush..but I'm pretty sure those who do must have heard him making statements similar to this!

There is no.."it coulda happen to anyone"....or "gee people don't understand the pain he was in"....the man is simply a 2-bit druggie. Millions of people take pain killers daily..are you saying these peopel are all addicted?

It's kinda like hearing an alcoholic try to explain that he should be shown consideration because alcohol is additive. Just the same way millions of people drink alcohol and they are not addicted.

He is to talk raido what Robert Downy Jr is to hollywood. Or what Daryl Straberry is to baseball ..nothing more! An addicted low-life.

Especially when you consider that this is not his first time.

There is nothing to be sympathetic or compassionate about... in this case It should at best be entertaining!

The man has morphed into the very people he critisize for a living...now isn't that funny?
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[SuzieQ]

What gives you the authority to call the folks who listen to Rush "the dregs of the earth?" You are so pompous in your assumptions of people because they do not think like you do. Too bad. Name calling is at the top of your list when you do not get your own way and in that, you and Jesse Jackson share something in common. AS I said many times, if you do not like Rush, listen to NPR or Phil Donahue. Yeah, he was real popular with his liberal views on things!!! Rush is still going strong and more popular than ever and that is what you liberals cannot stand. Someone who makes sense---
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[azellyn]

All of the dittoheads who've listened to Rush must now accept the fact that they've been following a drug addict whose very thoughts, words and deeds were shaded by drug abuse.

How much of what Rush has said in the past five years was inaccurate? There's no way of knowing.

As I look back on some of his shows, especially during his hearing-loss period it seems so obvious the man had a problem then. About two years ago the show deteriorated to near nothingness as Rush subjected audiences to long silences--perhaps he was nodding off--or he failed to connect with callers making unrelated comments to thr calls.

Top that with the fact that after he actually lost his hearing he continued to abuse the same drugs that caused the damage. Only a junkie would do such a thing. Only a junkie would hide the fact that he's been in rehab twice for illegal drug abuse, lost his hearing due to illegal drug abuse, and still use illegal drugs.

It's time for you dittoheads to accept Rush for who he really is, a law breaking, hypocritical junkie. But I'm sure that's OK with you hypocrites who couldn't find sympathy and compassion for the people Rush denigrated while he abused drugs.
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[Nattydread]

It should have been apparent that this guy was not coherent...but if at first it wasn't ..you no longer have an excuse!

I just wanted to point out that his audience all along pretty much have a "trailer park" mentality. Because depite all the facts...they will still be around when he's back.

There is nothing to analyze here..rush limbaugh is a 2-bit junkie! It doesn't matter that he wears a suit..it doesn't matter that he has money..it doesn't matter that he has a talk show..he's a LOW-LIFE!
A weak individual who cannot deal with life like a man!

He's worse than many crack-heads seen on the street, because often time those guys fall into thr sitautions because of chronic poverty.

And he deserves no sympathy when you understand that these guys profit from denigrating those who may be down on thr luck.


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[wookibender]

If anything, I hope this is a good reason to re-evaluate our durg laws. Rush should not go to prison over this as well as all the other drug users that are in prison should be let out. I have no problem with Drug sellers going to prison but I am tired of wasting millions of tax dollars on people that are only a threat to themselves.
It is a long road to change the drug laws...I hope this story helps in that fight.

So SuzieQ....

Why can't you address any of my responses or questions? Are you a dittohead? Can you not back up the things you say with thoughts of your own?
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[SuzieQ]

Even in a drug induced stupor with one half of his brain tied behind his back, Rush makes more sense than all of you. Keep listening to your liberal heros as they are keeping you stupid!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe the reason you are so angry with Rush is the fact that he is starting to rub off on you.
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[azellyn]

If Bill Clinton were an addict, here's how Rush might spin it By Bill McClellan
Post-Dispatch
10/12/2003


Somewhere in a parallel universe, where we are the same people but things have happened in slightly differently ways, Rush Limbaugh greets his loyal listeners this morning.

"Lots to talk about today. You all know already that Bill Clinton, our former president, has admitted an addiction to prescription drugs.

"It's interesting to see the way the liberal media are playing this. I'm looking at a copy of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Saturday, October 11th, edition - the day after the big announcement. Well, the story is on Page 2, and right next to his photograph, in large boldface print, is the following quote: 'I take full responsibility for this problem.'

"That's interesting, folks, because if you look at his actual statement - not what the liberal media say he said, but what he really said - you get a different take on it. First, he says he's got back problems. So he's blaming it on that. Then he says he had surgery, but the surgery wasn't successful. So he's blaming it on the doctors. Then he says the pain medication was addictive. So he's blaming it on the pharmaceutical companies. Folks, he blames it on everybody but himself! But as long as he puts in that obligatory line about taking responsibility, that's what the liberal media are going to grab: Clinton takes full responsibility!

"Here's another interesting thing in his statement. I love this one. He says a lot of athletes have admitted drug problems and have been treated like heroes. Huh? Can you name one athlete who admitted a drug problem and was then treated like a hero? How about Darryl Strawberry? Maybe liberals thought Strawberry was a hero, but I don't think most of us felt that way. And then Clinton says, 'I refuse to let anyone think I'm doing something heroic here.'

"You want to know what that's about? He's telling his friends in the liberal media how he wants this thing played. He wants to be called a hero for admitting his problem. That's why liberals confuse so many people. They mean the opposite of what they say.

"And I'm telling you folks, the liberal media are going to do it. He's going to be a hero. I can already see the spin on this: Clinton accepts responsibility! Doesn't blame others!

"I know you don't believe me - 'Rush, not even the liberal media can pull that one off!' - but just watch. I'm telling you. Just watch.

"Another thing. I heard him on the radio the other day. He was whimpering, 'I want to tell you about this because you're like family to me.' If there are any liberals out there listening, I'd like to ask you this: Weren't you people like family six weeks ago? How about six months ago? Two years ago? But he didn't feel the need to tell you then, did he? So why now? You think it could be because he's been caught? Because his high-priced attorney has told him he'd better act remorseful?

"Speaking of getting caught, have any of you read about those tapes and e-mails the cops have? Heh, heh, heh. You won't read them in the mainstream press, or hear about them on the Clinton News Network, but they're a hoot. He sounds like he's auditioning for a part in the next Cheech and Chong movie. He calls money "cabbage," and he refers to his favorite pills as "blue babes." It's always interesting to hear the way somebody talks when he thinks nobody is listening.

"I know what liberals are going to say: 'This is a time for compassion.' Let me be very clear about this, folks. I have compassion. But my compassion is for all the people who believed in the guy. He was thr shining star. He could do no wrong. But you know something? I probably don't have to worry. Because his followers are going to still believe in him. That's the thing about liberals! You can't convince them! You can show them the facts. You can say, 'Look, here is what he really said, and here is what he really did,' but they don't want to know the truth. That's the big difference between them and us. Liberals are afraid of the truth."

www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/Columnists.nsf/Bill+McClellan/25FF9A36D42606EA86256DBE001517F2?OpenDocument&;Headline=If+Bill+Clinton+were++an+addict,+here\'s +how+Rush+might+spin+it

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[wookibender]

Quote:So SuzieQ....

Why can't you address any of my responses or questions? Are you a dittohead? Can you not back up the things you say with thoughts of your own?

You still can't answer my responses back to you. You ignore them, Why?

I'm willing to listen... give it a shot?
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[SuzieQ]

What do you want me to say? Rush's addiction and his ability to analyze a situation are two different things. I listen to Rush's because I like the way he can take an issue and turn it into some kind of sense. As per his addiction, that is none of my business. I am not going to go off on a reason why this happened and what I think about legalizing drugs as that is a whole different issue. I just admire him because he gives me answers to question I sometimes have trouble understanding. The liberals confuse me as they go off in all different directions and just display thr supreme hatred for Bush. He is our president after all and wouldn't it be best if Dems could show a little support and a united face to the rest of the world? What is this all about? I find it disgusting and unproductive. Liberals cloud issues and do not give me answers to what I want to know. It is simple as that. They do not make sense to me. Taking medication and getting hooked on it is a far cry from taking drugs for recreational purposes. There is a difference and if you do not understand it, perhaps you have never suffered from severe pain.
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[NYIndependence]

What is truly sad is that natty continually brings embarassment upon the English language and he is (allegedly) sober.
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[wookibender]

Quote: What do you want me to say?
Now I'm beginning to think your just stupid.

Here are some questions that you ignored...



Quote:Quote:I care that someone who, through no fault of thr own, was beat up and he deserves my sympathy.

Do you care about innocent gays bng beat up by conservative narrow minded people?

Do you care about innocent people living in poverty who might feel the need to steal some food to survive?

Do you care to hear any of these sides of the story or just put everyone in prison who breaks the law... no questions asked?

Quote:I am sick and tired of people trying to coddle the criminals and portraying the victims as if it were thr fault they were atttacked.

Are you sick of the Catholic church coddling prsts who are child mollesters and hiding and moving them into different communities?

Can you give me some other examples of coddling criminals? I would really like to know?

And more questions you ignored....

Quote:Quote:By taking drugs for recreation, you are supporting criminals and it is hurting many people in this country. You are also supporting the terrorist who wish to destroy our country.

How are you supporting terrorists who wish to destroy our Country? Please explain.... I don't get it? I'm not saying it's not true.. I just want some examples to understand your point.


On the flip side, let's look at smoking cigarettes.
1. People use them for Recreation...
2. Our government pays farmers to grow it.
3. It is the most addictive substance legally sold.
4. More people die of smoking cigarettes than all other drugs combined.
5. It hurts many other people from second hand smoke.
6. And it supports the US government in tax revenue.

I view it as our government paying to kill its own people.

Who's the Terrorist in this situation?


Quote:Taking drugs for recreational use is entirely different than taking it for pain. If you have never experienced that kind of pain, perhaps that is why you cannot be more compassionate of Rush.
I agree, except that Rush has verbally attacked drug users. If he were to publically make an apology then I could find compassion for him.

The same can be said for people on Welfare. Most Conservative Republicans are of the middle class and above, and have no idea what it is like to live in poverty and need assistance from the government. Perhaps that is why you cannot be more compassionate of the poor and needy?


So what are thoughts on these responses to you SuzieQ.
You make all these statements yet when asked to clarify your statement you ignore them. Do you not have answers for me. Are you just a dittohead with no thoughts of your own?
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[SuzieQ]

First of all, you show your upbringing by calling me stupid. That is not nice!!! I will try to address all of your questions.
Do I care that people who are poor steal food? Yes, it is wrong because we have all sorts of social programs for people and soup kitchens here in this country. There is no need to do this. If you are talking about the mentally impaired folks who are living on the street, I believe they should not be. They should be in a facility where they are forced to take thr medication and are fed a decent meal and are safe. They should be free, if they are not violent, to come and go daily. If you are speaking of some other country, I cannot answer as I do not know thr system.
Do I care that gays get beat up by narrow minded people? Yes I care. People should not be attacked because they are gay. That is stupid to even ask that question. Only a lunatic would do something like that.
Am I sick of the Catholic Church coddling priest and moving them about. ? Yes I am. These priest should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They have ruined many lives. It is sickening to me that the Church did not come forward and turn these men over to the authorites immediately. They are not above the law and have committed a serious crime.
Coddling Criminals, an example: Criminals, on death row, are getting heart transplants, liver transplants, etc. while the citizens are still waiting. There are many more, but that is just a teaser.
Drugs support terrorism: The poppy fields in Afghanistan were supposed to be destroyed. They were not and are now coming into the country. Where do you think the money from those crops go? To farmer Brown! Do you know that if you by a Grucci bag, money from the bag go to terrorist organizations. There is a book out by I forget who wrote it "Supporting Terrorism." There are many examples of things we buy that turns into money for the terrorist.
As per tobacco: We were never forced to smoke it and everyone has free will. In the fifties, people did not know it was addictive. Even knowing what the cigarette companies were doing, many people continue to smoke. Even today, it sickens me to see the kids light up when they know full well it might kill them. Why are you blaming the government. Are you not smart enough to take responsibility for your own actions. You need someone to tell you what to do? People always are trying to get one over on you. You have to be alert and take responsibility for yourself. It's a cruel world out there but if we do not support our country and try to improve it and stand up for what is right and good, it will slip out of our hands.
I hope that answered some of your questions.
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[wookibender]

SuzieQ,
Thanks for answering my questions. I am sorry I called you Stupid. You are right in that bng mean.
It is good to read more of your thoughts now and see where you are coming from. I relate best to people that are thoughtful in thr remarks.

Quote:Coddling Criminals, an example: Criminals, on death row, are getting heart transplants, liver transplants, etc. while the citizens are still waiting. There are many more, but that is just a teaser.
This is an excellent point...
I agree with you on this and it should be changed.

Quote: Drugs support terrorism: The poppy fields in Afghanistan were supposed to be destroyed. They were not and are now coming into the country. Where do you think the money from those crops go?
Now this really interests me.
The Taliban did destroy most all of the poppy fields before the war. Then after we went into to Afghanastan and kicked them out, all the farmers grew them again. We are the ones that have let it all come back.
Where does the money go... well after it passes into the big drug lords and they eventually launder it through a business it usually is put into our US stock market. That may sound funny to you but I do believe that. Massive amounts of extra cash people have laying around from drug sales are put into investments like this. You could say, drugs benefit us all.


Quote: As per tobacco: We were never forced to smoke it and everyone has free will. In the fifties, people did not know it was addictive. Even knowing what the cigarette companies were doing, many people continue to smoke. Even today, it sickens me to see the kids light up when they know full well it might kill them. Why are you blaming the government.
I'm not blaming the government. I am using it as an example of supporting terrorism that is different from your standpoint of supporting terrorism by doing drugs.

Quote:It's a cruel world out there but if we do not support our country and try to improve it and stand up for what is right and good, it will slip out of our hands.
Agreed. I just see things a bit differently. This president we have now is a radical and has big plans to change the way it works. Speaking out and questioning the things that are done brings good debate and is patriotic IMO.

Thanks for answering my questions.
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