Open the Vanguards Hose CO.

[Unregistered124578963]

Vanguards is closed.........

[Unregistered123456789]

stop sueing everybody and accept your punishment like men

[Unregistered8528965]

Vanguards is closed.........

Lot of history and good peple there.

[Vanguardsforeva]

Upstreet just doesn't care about all the good people. They just like to see the bad in everything. They are far from perfect up there. I hope the tables turn on them some day............

[Unregisteredtrolls]

Again, how about letting the rest of know whats going on instead of posting some comment?>>>>???

[Unregistered 11223344]

The chief closed the Van Guard firehouse because of a party that was held there, that in his opinion ran too late and was too loud.
Instead of dealing with only the people involved he chose to shut the whole firehouse. No one is allowed in except to respond to alarms. The old timers can't even go in for their morning coffee and BS session.
The problem I have with this is that one one hanging out there means a slower response for an alarm. He is putting the residents of South Patchogue in jeopardy because of his ego. Any residents that are reading this, please go to the Commissioners meeting tonight at Fire HQ. (not sure if it is at 7 or 7:30)

[Unregistered9988778]

Let's put a stop to this arrogant man. He is not afraid of anyone.
Sorry George, did you close the firehouse because you weren't invited to the party?????? VG's is a family. Except for the few members who run up to HQ to tell them what is said down there, they stick together. They should just move up there.

[Unregisteredpfd]

Upstreet just doesn't care about all the good people. They just like to see the bad in everything. They are far from perfect up there. I hope the tables turn on them some day............



So I guess you're saying there are some good people down at the VanGuard's??? In the same breath you label all of upstreet as bad people by making a general statement like you did. You are guilty of exactly what you are criticizing "upstreet" of doing.

[Unregisteredpfd]

The chief closed the Van Guard firehouse because of a party that was held there, that in his opinion ran too late and was too loud.
Instead of dealing with only the people involved he chose to shut the whole firehouse. No one is allowed in except to respond to alarms. The old timers can't even go in for their morning coffee and BS session.
The problem I have with this is that one one hanging out there means a slower response for an alarm. He is putting the residents of South Patchogue in jeopardy because of his ego. Any residents that are reading this, please go to the Commissioners meeting tonight at Fire HQ. (not sure if it is at 7 or 7:30)


On VanGuard member sitting on the front bumper of the Chief's car and one standing behind it to prevent the Chief from leaving the firehouse after he came down in response to a complain from a neighbor about noise at 1:30 in the morning. If you don't like the guy so much why didn't you just let him leave; why keep him around? Seems like you also forgot to mention the underage people present and consuming alcohol like at least one North Patchogue Fireman who will remain nameless. What was also not mentioned was that the party (which had a room rental form turned in for it to the Executive Board and the Board of Fire Commissioners) was suppose to end at 12:00am as per the signed room rental agreement. No ardent VanGuard supporter on this post has also mentioned that six squad cars worth of police responded and were there for almost an hour and while there one was forced to yell at John to take a walk because of his antagonizing behavior. And if you don't want to talk about that party lets talk about the $70.00/person fundraiser that was run on 2/23/07 "Captain's Night" when the strippers were in the firehouse. How foolish to do such a thing on the same day that Newsday ran an article on slow response times from Brentwood and Mastic. You know that the newspaper is trying to hang the fire department because Liz Moore is in bed with the IAFF and you go and have strippers in the firehouse. Seems like maybe the full story should get out to the public about the antics going on at 11 Park Street before people rush to conclusions.

[Equalled by all]

On VanGuard member sitting on the front bumper of the Chief's car and one standing behind it to prevent the Chief from leaving the firehouse after he came down in response to a complain from a neighbor about noise at 1:30 in the morning. If you don't like the guy so much why didn't you just let him leave; why keep him around? Seems like you also forgot to mention the underage people present and consuming alcohol like at least one North Patchogue Fireman who will remain nameless. What was also not mentioned was that the party (which had a room rental form turned in for it to the Executive Board and the Board of Fire Commissioners) was suppose to end at 12:00am as per the signed room rental agreement. No ardent VanGuard supporter on this post has also mentioned that six squad cars worth of police responded and were there for almost an hour and while there one was forced to yell at John to take a walk because of his antagonizing behavior. And if you don't want to talk about that party lets talk about the $70.00/person fundraiser that was run on 2/23/07 "Captain's Night" when the strippers were in the firehouse. How foolish to do such a thing on the same day that Newsday ran an article on slow response times from Brentwood and Mastic. You know that the newspaper is trying to hang the fire department because Liz Moore is in bed with the IAFF and you go and have strippers in the firehouse. Seems like maybe the full story should get out to the public about the antics going on at 11 Park Street before people rush to conclusions.



Haha.... kinda like Paul Simon said.... "still jealous after all these yearrrrrrs..."

Hmmm...I seem to remember hearing about a certain member of Engine Company having strippers at a party at HQ....and not in the too distant past.

Ya know what that firehouse on Jennings Avenue is full of....other than shit??? Hypocrites.

[Unreg1539576845]

"On VanGuard member sitting on the front bumper of the Chief's car and one standing behind it to prevent the Chief from leaving the firehouse after he came down in response to a complain from a neighbor about noise at 1:30 in the morning. If you don't like the guy so much why didn't you just let him leave; why keep him around?"

Simple: He was drunk and the men were trying to stop him from leaving and endangering the public with a DWI.


"Seems like you also forgot to mention the underage people present and consuming alcohol like at least one North Patchogue Fireman who will remain nameless."

Are speaking of Chief Grauer's son? He has been at several Department events (including the sub-station) and was permitted to consumer alcohol by the Chief.


"And if you don't want to talk about that party lets talk about the $70.00/person fundraiser that was run on 2/23/07 "Captain's Night" when the strippers were in the firehouse."

Was that the night that Chief Lodolce attended and contributed money to pay for the "entertainment"?


"Seems like maybe the full story should get out to the public about the antics going on at 11 Park Street before people rush to conclusions."

Agreed. Lets get the TRUTH out...

[Unregistered12345678]

Why does chief grauer feel the need to bring a lawyer to meetings? Who pays for the lawyer? Does he need to be monitored when he speaks? Is he looking to sue someone? He threatens law suits all the time, maybe he is gathering ammunition? Hmmmm.....

[Unregistered111]

That was the Department's lawyer, he represents the Department, not Chief Grauer. What I though was funny was how as far as I can remember, in my more than twenty-eight years in this Department I have never seen anyone bring there mommy of wife to a meeting to defend them the way people did tonight. Step up and take it like men and here's a hint for you, stop acting innapropriately and you'll stop having to deal with hearings and suspensions.

[Unregistered111]

"On VanGuard member sitting on the front bumper of the Chief's car and one standing behind it to prevent the Chief from leaving the firehouse after he came down in response to a complain from a neighbor about noise at 1:30 in the morning. If you don't like the guy so much why didn't you just let him leave; why keep him around?"

Simple: He was drunk and the men were trying to stop him from leaving and endangering the public with a DWI.

In the words of a VanGuard if there was no police report then a crime didn't happen. If there was no police report that says he was DWI then it wasn't true.

"Seems like you also forgot to mention the underage people present and consuming alcohol like at least one North Patchogue Fireman who will remain nameless."

Are speaking of Chief Grauer's son? He has been at several Department events (including the sub-station) and was permitted to consumer alcohol by the Chief.

The Chief served his son alcohol?


"And if you don't want to talk about that party lets talk about the $70.00/person fundraiser that was run on 2/23/07 "Captain's Night" when the strippers were in the firehouse."

Was that the night that Chief Lodolce attended and contributed money to pay for the "entertainment"?

I'm glad you admitted in a public forum that the evnt took place.

"Seems like maybe the full story should get out to the public about the antics going on at 11 Park Street before people rush to conclusions."

Agreed. Lets get the TRUTH out...


WHO'S TRUTH???

[TrucksforHoods]

Let's sell the racing team trucks to pay for the hoosd and boots that people said we need at the meeting tongith. Funny how some people think that the security cameras arent' necessary but they think a racing team is. Providing safety and security at an emergency response facility in a post 911 world vs. racing competitions. Another case of Vanguard Logic.

[Unregistered15172873]

Your Name Has Been Taken Off The Life Members Plaque ..... Feel Free To Return Your Medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered111]

Your Name Has Been Taken Off The Life Members Plaque ..... Feel Free To Return Your Medal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Unlike some I'm not in it for the metal, never have been, and I'm not in it for the boose either, I guess that's another thing that separtates us?

[Unregistered61893276]

BECAUSE THE RACING TEAM IS AWESOME
Sincerly,
The Captain of the Racing Team

[Unregistered71263]

you must be the guy that slept in the truck all day popsie said you were usless

[skidmors@mscdirect.com]

It makes me sad reading this, because it's so miscontrued. There was no malice in what happened here. Long time members speak out in respect for the district. When people act out and act disorderly and embarass everything we stand for they should be held accountable. Shame on you for disgracing the district and the brotherhood.

[Unregistered12364467]

That's right your not in for the medal. Your in for the service award! Useless for 15 years, and finally now opening your mouth again. Feel free to turn back your service award and medal, your useless for both of them! And you make such a great trainning officer! Do you preach hands on experiences? Cause can't remember ever seeing you in a fire, let alone gear!

[Unregistered 666666]

Haha.... kinda like Paul Simon said.... "still jealous after all these yearrrrrrs..."

Hmmm...I seem to remember hearing about a certain member of Engine Company having strippers at a party at HQ....and not in the too distant past.

Ya know what that firehouse on Jennings Avenue is full of....other than shit??? Hypocrites.

At least the fire house on jennings ave is just that a fire house , not an animal house. or a zoo. you babys better remember what you took an oath for to protect and serve not drink, race, and cry to mommy. Oh I forgot you cant race!!! guess you will all have alot of time this summer, maybe you can now be firefighters, or dont you have hoods and boots? GET A LIFE KNOW AND GROW UP

[Unregistered111]

BECAUSE THE RACING TEAM IS AWESOME
Sincerly,
The Captain of the Racing Team

First of all I thought the racing team didnt' have a captain since he suspended or something. Second of all, I don't know how proud I'd be of your response???

[Unregistered1235344]

How many VG's got a DWI leaving the firehouse in the last 10 years? And how many HQ guys got a DWI leaving Jennings Avenue in the last week? Can you bend over and touch your toes safety officer? We know you can't spell Mr. Educator

[Unregistered111]

How many VG's got a DWI leaving the firehouse in the last 10 years? And how many HQ guys got a DWI leaving Jennings Avenue in the last week? Can you bend over and touch your toes safety officer? We know you can't spell Mr. Educator


Insulted that you would think I'm a shit stirrer H+L member, but interesting the information youve shared. I'll have to check into that more.

[Unregistered1235146]

Why do you think it is a H&L member we are implying? Do you feel guilty?

[John Cushing]

I think that it is pretty hysterical that when the racing team was winning you all had their back. Now that they are not winning, you stab them in the back.
Anyone that has something to say, be a man, stand up and put your name instead of hiding behind a psuedonym.

John Cushing

[football]

Simply stated, you're a loser

[Unregistered111]

John Hasemann........You have a pair of balls the size of coconuts....please don't let your brother play with them!!
where the hell do you get off saying that the gear is in ill repair when you
have members deliberately destroying gear (which they should be thrown out on their asses for doing such a moronic thing)....I know most of the gear upstreet is in compliance with OSHA specs....and it has been inspected every year since George is Chief.....which is a lot more than I can say about Brian Ward.......Anyway....to use this so called "gear" issue is a big bunch of bullshit and you know it....you are not fooling anyone....you bitch about money not being spent on gear but then turn around and spend thousands on the racing team.....you better wipe your mouth with toilet paper because the shit coming out of it stinks. Fess up to the fact that you fucked up...take your punishment like a real man, sit down and shut up....you have no respect for anyone or anything.....you don't deserve to be a member of the Patchogue Fire department....just like in Bayport..( oh yea, I forgot....does your "fan club" know that although you were not thrown out of Bayport, you were casually shown the door....)(all the same shit you are pulling here)....
If I were you....watch your back...people are watching.

[John Cushing]

No Name...no balls
Just like popsy always said, you guys will always be jealous.

[Unregistered9895]

What the heck is footbal talking about?

[mc hammer]

....on the line....#1 on your program.....the 40 Thieves from Patchogue!!!!!

It's the only thing this fire department is known for...hahahahahha.....

[Unregistered123ABC]

John,

Are you friggin kidding ?........You haven't been around in years, and yet you have a lot to say....give me a break.
First of all, instead of assuming that you know what is going on, get both sides of the story......You are on one side....
Second of all........You cannot compare the team of years ago with the same team today....because they are completely different...worlds apart...the team from years ago was a real team made up of men that for the most part, did the right thing most of the time and had the best coach in the world that would have never allowed any of this shit to go on.
The current team is nothing but a pack of whining little bitches..not men...who have nothing better to do than cry when they can't get their way..and useless because they are not a winning team....they are losers !
If you can't see this John, then you are just as ignorant as they are.

[jOHNcUSHING]

I guess the football got deflated...

[John Cushing]

It's not just about the team, it's about the family. Once you're in, you never turn your back. Maybe you should reflect on the concept of brotherhood that ALL firefighters are supposed to have, both past and present., especially within the SAME department, we are all from Patchogue, aren't we???? I guess you cannot consider youself a brother, or maybe you're ashamed of being part of it since you don't even stand up for them with a name. The difference between me and you is I am not afraid to let anyone know that I stand up for my brothers, you know who I am.

We are all not perfect.

[Unregistered123ABC]

Family you say ???.........

John Hasemann is Family ?.....John Hasemann doesn't give a shit about you or anyone else.....he is not a family member of this department...all he cares about is himself !!....If the shit hit the fan when you are with him...he'll leave you standing in the dust. Can't you open your eyes John and see this !!!

Was John Hasemann here when Robert died for this department ?...NO HE WASN'T......and do you think he really gives a shit ????.....

Do you really think any of these young guys on the team including Matt Welsh have any idea of what they are doing to tarnish the memory of Robert ??...............THEY COULD CARE FUCKING LESS !!!!...........

Don't get me wrong...I am not trying to make this a Robert issue, but that team then was when it was all about family.....not now....Right now it's all about themselves and they think fuck the memory of Robert. They don't even know who Robert was...........

George Grauer is not doing this.....John Hasemann and his cronies are doing this. Destroying everything that Robert died for.

[Unregistered111]

It's not just about the team, it's about the family. Once you're in, you never turn your back. Maybe you should reflect on the concept of brotherhood that ALL firefighters are supposed to have, both past and present., especially within the SAME department, we are all from Patchogue, aren't we???? I guess you cannot consider youself a brother, or maybe you're ashamed of being part of it since you don't even stand up for them with a name. The difference between me and you is I am not afraid to let anyone know that I stand up for my brothers, you know who I am.

We are all not perfect.


No, we're all not perfect, and I don't know if anyone expects us to be. the funniest thing about all this is that if when any chief showed up when a party was going on or a problem was occurring if people just said ok chief, sorry, or we'll stop. Youd probably still be able to have crazy parties behind closed doors the way we used to. People pick the strangest fights over stupid stuff. The saddest hing is what I saw tonight. Adults ( for some people I use the term loosely) arguing and fighting to keep boose in the firehouse for a good portion of the eveing concerned about parties and not firefighting. I felt like an AA rep should have been in the room taking names. It sounds so foolish to hear my peers arguing over trying to have parties like young kids. you might not be happy to hear me say this but i think if you really think about how some people acted tonight you'd find it saddening. And for the one person (he knows who he is) to make a comment to the effect of let's get this finished so we can prevent having a situation where members don't respond to alarms....Threats (or at least thats how many viewed it) that firefighters will stop responding if hearings aren't scheduled quicker or the rec room isn't opened with the news there was probably not a good thing to do.

What a sad state of affairs. I might not be ashamed yet (i'm not willing to throw away so much time), but some people are workign real hard to make me ashamed

[John Cushing]

If my brother Robert was alive, and saw the shit that you were writing here, he would kick your hiney right now.
Keep hiding behind your computer.

[Unregistered123ABC]

John,

I think you better think about accusing someone of hiding behind a computer.....because I know this is not you writing these replies....

It could be any one of many.....Grace, Suzanne, .......etc....
But I know for sure it's not you John....so give it up right now you are doing the same as me .....

[Unregistered1238]

Grace dosent have to hide behind a computer she has no problem speaking in front of people i think she proved that tonight

[sal bass]

No, we're all not perfect, and I don't know if anyone expects us to be. the funniest thing about all this is that if when any chief showed up when a party was going on or a problem was occurring if people just said ok chief, sorry, or we'll stop. Youd probably still be able to have crazy parties behind closed doors the way we used to. People pick the strangest fights over stupid stuff. The saddest hing is what I saw tonight. Adults ( for some people I use the term loosely) arguing and fighting to keep boose in the firehouse for a good portion of the eveing concerned about parties and not firefighting. I felt like an AA rep should have been in the room taking names. It sounds so foolish to hear my peers arguing over trying to have parties like young kids. you might not be happy to hear me say this but i think if you really think about how some people acted tonight you'd find it saddening. And for the one person (he knows who he is) to make a comment to the effect of let's get this finished so we can prevent having a situation where members don't respond to alarms....Threats (or at least thats how many viewed it) that firefighters will stop responding if hearings aren't scheduled quicker or the rec room isn't opened with the news there was probably not a good thing to do.

What a sad state of affairs. I might not be ashamed yet (i'm not willing to throw away so much time), but some people are workign real hard to make me ashamed

Dude, take the fucking beer out of the firehouse, who cares? The bottom line is, we have the worst chief we have ever had in the history of this fire department, hands down. Name one thing he has done for the good of this department in the 15 months he has been in??? I'll wait........... that's because he hasn't done anything. But ruin what little harmony we had. He can't deal with people. He's vindictive. And he's hellbent on removing the people he has a problem with. The drill team was fine before he became chief. We might not have been the 40 Thieves of the 80's, but we were fine. And now he comes in and wants to end us, when he was a part of the same thing we are a part of today. That's hypocrisy my friend. Take a look at some pictures from the 80's...there is George Grauer, with a beer held high, celebrating another win by the 40 Thieves. How soon he forgets. Fuck this shit. Whatever he gets from here on out, he deserves. In spades.

[Its me!!!]

Grace dosent have to hide behind a computer she has no problem speaking in front of people i think she proved that tonight

you're right ... grace doesn't hide from anyone!!!!

[Unregistered6939]

Dude, take the fucking beer out of the firehouse, who cares? The bottom line is, we have the worst chief we have ever had in the history of this fire department, hands down. Name one thing he has done for the good of this department in the 15 months he has been in??? I'll wait........... that's because he hasn't done anything. But ruin what little harmony we had. He can't deal with people. He's vindictive. And he's hellbent on removing the people he has a problem with. The drill team was fine before he became chief. We might not have been the 40 Thieves of the 80's, but we were fine. And now he comes in and wants to end us, when he was a part of the same thing we are a part of today. That's hypocrisy my friend. Take a look at some pictures from the 80's...there is George Grauer, with a beer held high, celebrating another win by the 40 Thieves. How soon he forgets. Fuck this shit. Whatever he gets from here on out, he deserves. In spades.

He ran a wonderful service for Ed Summers and its my understanding that he still makes a big effort to take care of the family.
he kept us from having the full department suspended from parading by talking with the SCDTCA.
we have had a number of successful training drills with other departments
we were the only brookhaven town department invited to the Islip Town parade
launched a very successful golf fundraiser
had a good family picnic after the fourth of july parade (or one of the summer parades) and included ambulance company
finally started to get some information about the lawsuit brought up at meetings rather than keeping it quiet.
getting the lift put in for the boat.
got computers and security upgraded in both firehouses (not done but better than before).
etc.

Not gonna go back and forth anymore, but as far as the drill team being fine before, I'm pretty sure the lawsuit started before george became chief. not blaming anyone in particular for this although i have my own beliefs and it's not isolated to one person, but if you're involved in a lawsuit and the SCDTCA is threatening suspension (which has now happened) I don't know if that qualifies as everything being fine.

[John Cushing]

What...are you calling me stupid???
Guess what mother fuckers...I'm not.
Your problem is that you are so ignorant. I'm identifying myself, and you don't believe me. That's how stupid you are.
BBBBIIIIITTTTTCCCCHHHHEEEESSSS

[Unregistered6152]

yea he ran a golf fundraiser thats paying for his lawer now i wouldnt give the patchogue fire department any money for any fundraisers ever again

[Unregistered55555555]

He ran a wonderful service for Ed Summers and its my understanding that he still makes a big effort to take care of the family.
he kept us from having the full department suspended from parading by talking with the SCDTCA.
we have had a number of successful training drills with other departments
we were the only brookhaven town department invited to the Islip Town parade
launched a very successful golf fundraiser
had a good family picnic after the fourth of july parade (or one of the summer parades) and included ambulance company
finally started to get some information about the lawsuit brought up at meetings rather than keeping it quiet.
getting the lift put in for the boat.
got computers and security upgraded in both firehouses (not done but better than before).
etc.

Not gonna go back and forth anymore, but as far as the drill team being fine before, I'm pretty sure the lawsuit started before george became chief. not blaming anyone in particular for this although i have my own beliefs and it's not isolated to one person, but if you're involved in a lawsuit and the SCDTCA is threatening suspension (which has now happened) I don't know if that qualifies as everything being fine.

George had nothing to do with the 4th of july party or the islip town parade.
Matt Welsh had the party and we were invited by Bayport for reasons unrelated to George.

[Unregistereddone]

You know a wise person once said, "never argue with stupid people, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I'm Done.

[helen waite]

He ran a wonderful service for Ed Summers and its my understanding that he still makes a big effort to take care of the family.
he kept us from having the full department suspended from parading by talking with the SCDTCA.
we have had a number of successful training drills with other departments
we were the only brookhaven town department invited to the Islip Town parade
launched a very successful golf fundraiser
had a good family picnic after the fourth of july parade (or one of the summer parades) and included ambulance company
finally started to get some information about the lawsuit brought up at meetings rather than keeping it quiet.
getting the lift put in for the boat.
got computers and security upgraded in both firehouses (not done but better than before).
etc.

Not gonna go back and forth anymore, but as far as the drill team being fine before, I'm pretty sure the lawsuit started before george became chief. not blaming anyone in particular for this although i have my own beliefs and it's not isolated to one person, but if you're involved in a lawsuit and the SCDTCA is threatening suspension (which has now happened) I don't know if that qualifies as everything being fine.

He kept the whole department from being suspended by making secret deals with the SCDTCA. Throw the drill team under the bus so George looks good. Real manly.

Bayport invited us because we are a neighboring department.

Mat Welsh basically ran the Memorial Day party. George just showed up.

If anyone wanted to know about the lawsuit, all they had to do was ask. But no one did.....until it afftected the entire department. And then we were the bad guys on account of everyone else's reluctance to inquire about it.

Security??? That's a laugh. Those camera's are there so the chief can watch what the VG are doing day and night. We haven't had a "security" problem in years. They're there to watch. No more, no less. Call a spade a spade.

[Unregistered211]

He kept the whole department from being suspended by making secret deals with the SCDTCA. Throw the drill team under the bus so George looks good. Real manly.

Bayport invited us because we are a neighboring department.

Mat Welsh basically ran the Memorial Day party. George just showed up.

If anyone wanted to know about the lawsuit, all they had to do was ask. But no one did.....until it afftected the entire department. And then we were the bad guys on account of everyone else's reluctance to inquire about it.

Security??? That's a laugh. Those camera's are there so the chief can watch what the VG are doing day and night. We haven't had a "security" problem in years. They're there to watch. No more, no less. Call a spade a spade.


1) Bluepoint is between us and Bayport, were not truly neighbors, we happen to have established a good relationship with them and that is why were were asked. but believe what you want, I know I'm not gonna change your mind. According to someone before I haven't even been active for the past 15 years, so what do I know.
2) I guess if thats was Cap. Welsh said it must be true. hahaha
3) Ties directly to your first comment. Why not be forthright about what was going on in the lawsuit rather than waiting for people to ask. In an effort to act as a department team maybe the department should have been kept up to speed on the goings on. Id also be very careful about saying no one ever asked because rumor has it it is on record that someone did ask and was told there was nothing to report, that its all being handled.
4) Haven't had a security problem in years??? You didn't have someone stealing just a few years ago??? Last name statrs with a D. An ex-_____ didn't take a truck to Cavanaughs?? What is the security problem upstreet has? We've had cameras for more than ten years and we have a paid dispatcher there too. The substation is unattended on the other hand.

[Unregistered9999999]

It wasnt 1 it was @ and where is # 2?

[Unregisteredme]

You have a man on here saying who he is and you want to bash him telling him its not who him -THATS FUCK UP........ YOUR ALL FUCK UP, and I think hes rite {NO FUCKING BALLS}

[Unregisterednnnnnn]

H.Q.??????????

[Unregisteredyyyyyyyy]

One bad seed down at Vangard or one bad seed at H.Q. is not good.But when your unloding members because there friends with them, is not a good thing.Lets just unload both of them and move on..........

[UnregisteredL]

you need to get your story straight it was not jon who the cops told to take a walk. you should also check and see who placed the call to scpd

[Park Street]

1) Bluepoint is between us and Bayport, were not truly neighbors, we happen to have established a good relationship with them and that is why were were asked. but believe what you want, I know I'm not gonna change your mind. According to someone before I haven't even been active for the past 15 years, so what do I know.
2) I guess if thats was Cap. Welsh said it must be true. hahaha
3) Ties directly to your first comment. Why not be forthright about what was going on in the lawsuit rather than waiting for people to ask. In an effort to act as a department team maybe the department should have been kept up to speed on the goings on. Id also be very careful about saying no one ever asked because rumor has it it is on record that someone did ask and was told there was nothing to report, that its all being handled.
4) Haven't had a security problem in years??? You didn't have someone stealing just a few years ago??? Last name statrs with a D. An ex-_____ didn't take a truck to Cavanaughs?? What is the security problem upstreet has? We've had cameras for more than ten years and we have a paid dispatcher there too. The substation is unattended on the other hand.

1- Splitting hairs. I'm well aware of where Bayport lies in relationship to Patchogue. They are close enough that they could be considered a neighbor. And I know exactly what type of relationship we have with them. I probably know more than you think I know.



2- No, that's not what Mat said, that's the fucking truth. I was one of the members who helped him run that party. Let's see what this year's party looks like when HQ has to run it.

3- The powers in charge, at the time the lawsuit was in progress, were kept abreast of what was going on. If they chose not to share what they were told with the rest of the membership, for whatever reason, then shame on them. I've come to realize this about a great number of HQ's members- (not all, because there is still probably a handful who are "pro racing team", but they are just afraid to let their true feelings show for fear of reprisal from their cronies) they don't want anything to do with the drill team until either two things happen. They win something and there's a party with a free meal or refreshments or someone from up there starts crowing that they get too much money. (Not that I feel we should break the bank, but it's only $2,000 a year...in two seperate payments mind you. A figure that pales in comparison to what other drill teams get). And you are exactly correct. When a certain faction from HQ all of a sudden got their underwear in a bunch over the lawsuit and started playing Maxwell Smart about what was going on, at the time they asked all thier questions, there WAS nothing to report. It was in the judges hands at that point and there was nothing further that could be done. So the claim of ignorance- "we knew nothing about this...blah blah blah"....much like the act King George pulled when he said he knew nothing about the lawsuit and then was proceeded to be caught in a flat out lie that was proven in front of the department- doesn't wash.

4- Did you not read my post carefully??? "We haven't had a "security" problem in years." "Security" is the lame ass excuse they use. Please. The truth is those cameras are there so King George doesn't have to drive to the VG anymore. He can just sit his ass in the radio room and watch what the VG are doing.

The countdown is on.... less than 9 months to go.....

[ben cartwright]

you need to get your story straight it was not jon who the cops told to take a walk. you should also check and see who placed the call to scpd

According to the code enforcement report.....they called for the police..

[Unregistered 13131313]

[ the funniest thing about all this is that if when any chief showed up when a party was going on or a problem was occurring if people just said ok chief, sorry, or we'll stop. ]

No, the SADDEST thing is when a dispatcher got a call about a loud party, he would call down there and tell everyone to quiet down and we would.
But since the dispatcher called his Daddy instead, Daddy showed up with code enforcement.

[Unregistered5-19-2]

As a younger VG member(less than 10 years in) i have to admit hq guys do have a point. Everything that has gotten this way was mostly(not all) because of the racing team. I just wish we could all work this out. Useless was already thrown out so we wont have problems with him anymore. And as for the drinking, no comment

[Unregistered5-19-2]

And as for us getting a longer response time, Bob still gets 1 out just as fast as we do even when we have people hanging out in VG's. He also beats us to alot of the alarms south of the tracks also. If this will make the hq guys happy and maybe solve some issues,let us be closed down for a while. I have no problem going upstreet and hanging out just like i use to at the south house.

[Grady Wilson]

I have a good idea for you. Just transfer up there and you can be a full fledged member of George's army. You sound like you're half way there now.

[Unregistered1263]

screw making the hq guys happy let them live even more misrable lives then they do now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Herk]

Haha.... kinda like Paul Simon said.... "still jealous after all these yearrrrrrs..."

Hmmm...I seem to remember hearing about a certain member of Engine Company having strippers at a party at HQ....and not in the too distant past.

Ya know what that firehouse on Jennings Avenue is full of....other than shit??? Hypocrites.But that was only one party a few years ago and the one before that was in 1972 or so.I have to say we always had much better parties at the VG'S house.I wont discuss this on this forum as I like to know who Im talking to.And you know where to find me,HDQT'S or the Crab.I do hope this ends soon.Herk.

[Unregistered00]

I have a good idea for you. Just transfer up there and you can be a full fledged member of George's army. You sound like you're half way there now.

pitiful, a guy is honest and says what he's thinking and you chase after him. perfect example of someone who should just stop posting.

[JoAnn Biggs]

That was the Department's lawyer, he represents the Department, not Chief Grauer. What I though was funny was how as far as I can remember, in my more than twenty-eight years in this Department I have never seen anyone bring there mommy of wife to a meeting to defend them the way people did tonight. Step up and take it like men and here's a hint for you, stop acting innapropriately and you'll stop having to deal with hearings and suspensions.

This site is for COWARDS who hide behind their computers at home because they are not man, or woman enough to say it to your face! So let's get started...First, Chris Bergman, I wasn't defending my husband, he can do
that himself! Second, maybe next time you rent the room for a party they can illegally watch your guests just for the hell of it!! I'm sure my guest (98% non firemen, and 2 police officers) would love to know just how their privacy was violated! Maybe I should put them in touch with George, what do you think? I'm not against the cameras, let's use them for the purpose they were intended... security! And for the record, our party ended at 11pm and we were out of there by 11:30pm, anyone who says anything else it a flat out liar!! As far as the Vanguards go...let's see, it seems to me that there is one set of rules for them and another set for headquarters.

For the person who said sell the race trucks to pay for the safety gear, what a great idea...let's ruin it for our kids who might want to be a part of the great tradition of FD racing. Anyway I thought the money that this community so generously donates to this department is put toward such things, guess I was wrong. Seems to me that there are a lot of you out there that think they know so much about 40 Thieves, and for people who think they know so much, I wonder where you got your facts from, because I haven't seen too many of you at the tournaments in the recent past.
And to the person who brought Robert Cushing into this, SHAME ON YOU! This family has been through enough and there isn't one guy on this team that doesn't love and respect Roberts memory or the Cushing family.
Jonh Haserman seems to be the target of much of anger, I'm not saying he was right...or wrong, but remember what they say about people who live in glass houses!

[FIREKILLER]

This site is for COWARDS who hide behind their computers at home because they are not man, or woman enough to say it to your face! So let's get started...First, Chris Bergman, I wasn't defending my husband, he can do
that himself! Second, maybe next time you rent the room for a party they can illegally watch your guests just for the hell of it!! I'm sure my guest (98% non firemen, and 2 police officers) would love to know just how their privacy was violated! Maybe I should put them in touch with George, what do you think? I'm not against the cameras, let's use them for the purpose they were intended... security! And for the record, our party ended at 11pm and we were out of there by 11:30pm, anyone who says anything else it a flat out liar!! As far as the Vanguards go...let's see, it seems to me that there is one set of rules for them and another set for headquarters.

For the person who said sell the race trucks to pay for the safety gear, what a great idea...let's ruin it for our kids who might want to be a part of the great tradition of FD racing. Anyway I thought the money that this community so generously donates to this department is put toward such things, guess I was wrong. Seems to me that there are a lot of you out there that think they know so much about 40 Thieves, and for people who think they know so much, I wonder where you got your facts from, because I haven't seen too many of you at the tournaments in the recent past.
And to the person who brought Robert Cushing into this, SHAME ON YOU! This family has been through enough and there isn't one guy on this team that doesn't love and respect Roberts memory or the Cushing family.
Jonh Haserman seems to be the target of much of anger, I'm not saying he was right...or wrong, but remember what they say about people who live in glass houses!
Yes it use to be a great tradition but times have changed, the taxpayers pay enought in tax ,and do not want to pay $30,000 for a engine for a racing truck! And yes it is wrong to put Rob into this matter just "WRONG"

[Joe Cushing]

Feel free to voice your opinion on this site that's fine, but I think the person who brought a members name in who has been deceased 20 years this July good or bad is a pathetic Individual. So good or bad lets leave our DEPARTED BROTHER out of this. Oh and by the way , yes I did type this myself and I did ask my Wife how to spell a word or two.

[Unreg9]

This site is for COWARDS who hide behind their computers at home because they are not man, or woman enough to say it to your face! So let's get started...First, Chris Bergman, I wasn't defending my husband, he can do
that himself! Second, maybe next time you rent the room for a party they can illegally watch your guests just for the hell of it!! I'm sure my guest (98% non firemen, and 2 police officers) would love to know just how their privacy was violated! Maybe I should put them in touch with George, what do you think? I'm not against the cameras, let's use them for the purpose they were intended... security! And for the record, our party ended at 11pm and we were out of there by 11:30pm, anyone who says anything else it a flat out liar!! As far as the Vanguards go...let's see, it seems to me that there is one set of rules for them and another set for headquarters.

For the person who said sell the race trucks to pay for the safety gear, what a great idea...let's ruin it for our kids who might want to be a part of the great tradition of FD racing. Anyway I thought the money that this community so generously donates to this department is put toward such things, guess I was wrong. Seems to me that there are a lot of you out there that think they know so much about 40 Thieves, and for people who think they know so much, I wonder where you got your facts from, because I haven't seen too many of you at the tournaments in the recent past.
And to the person who brought Robert Cushing into this, SHAME ON YOU! This family has been through enough and there isn't one guy on this team that doesn't love and respect Roberts memory or the Cushing family.
Jonh Haserman seems to be the target of much of anger, I'm not saying he was right...or wrong, but remember what they say about people who live in glass houses!

A couple of responses JoAnn. What's more important, the great tradition of FD Racing or the great tradition of the FD. The way you say it, sounds to me like you might actually be in favor of sacrificing safety for racing not that I can believe that's what you really meant. Are you aware that several people have reported over the last day or two that after research was done on the lawsuit there was documentation from a deposition that Hasemann gave where he said the District gave the team $75,000.00 dollars of taxpayer money? Some of the comments and statements he has made have hurt this department more than anything else. I know you said you were not claiming he was right or wrong, but I think there are many racing team folks that don't even know some of the things that have beens said the way I understand it.

Two more things, and then I won't bother you anymore.

One is that I think everyone should be very careful of who they acuse users of being unless they are absolutely certain that that is who it is beyond the shadow of a doubt. Im sure there are plenty of us with 20+ years of service at HQ that could have put posts up but for some reason one person in particular was singled out in the quote above. After reading all the comments over the last day or two (I thought I'd never finish) I didnt see any real strong proof that that person is/was who you say he is. I'm sure as a PTA Council person you have been made aware of the arguements and cyberbullying that occurs with children in similar sites on the internet and it would be a shame to see a child advocate like yourself fall victim to a similar situation as the children do where an identity is mistaken and an unnecessary fight/argument starts involving people that never were really saying the things people thought they were saying.

Lastly the cameras. Authorized by the commissioners not george. sevral commisioners said this. there also was a sign on the notorious chalkboard about the cameras too, not sure if it is still there (there should be more signs up, but at least something was there). other than that dont know anything else about your party.

[JoAnn Biggs]

A couple of responses JoAnn. What's more important, the great tradition of FD Racing or the great tradition of the FD. The way you say it, sounds to me like you might actually be in favor of sacrificing safety for racing not that I can believe that's what you really meant. Are you aware that several people have reported over the last day or two that after research was done on the lawsuit there was documentation from a deposition that Hasemann gave where he said the District gave the team $75,000.00 dollars of taxpayer money? Some of the comments and statements he has made have hurt this department more than anything else. I know you said you were not claiming he was right or wrong, but I think there are many racing team folks that don't even know some of the things that have beens said the way I understand it.

Two more things, and then I won't bother you anymore.

One is that I think everyone should be very careful of who they acuse users of being unless they are absolutely certain that that is who it is beyond the shadow of a doubt. Im sure there are plenty of us with 20+ years of service at HQ that could have put posts up but for some reason one person in particular was singled out in the quote above. After reading all the comments over the last day or two (I thought I'd never finish) I didnt see any real strong proof that that person is/was who you say he is. I'm sure as a PTA Council person you have been made aware of the arguements and cyberbullying that occurs with children in similar sites on the internet and it would be a shame to see a child advocate like yourself fall victim to a similar situation as the children do where an identity is mistaken and an unnecessary fight/argument starts involving people that never were really saying the things people thought they were saying.

Lastly the cameras. Authorized by the commissioners not george. sevral commisioners said this. there also was a sign on the notorious chalkboard about the cameras too, not sure if it is still there (there should be more signs up, but at least something was there). other than that dont know anything else about your party.

Thanks for your reply. All your points are well taken. Your right, I would never sacrifice safety for racing, but I would hope that the gear that is so important to our firefighters would be included in our budget. As you know my husband, father, brother, and now my son (a jr. explorer in Hagerman), as well as many of our good friends are all volunteers, so without a doubt safety comes first and foremost!
As far as singling one person, I was told by someone (who said they talked to him about what was written) that he wrote that. If I was misled I apologize. Regardless, we were very upset about what was being said about the party we had being the reason vanguards was closed down. All I wanted was clarification, but I couldn't get any answers that night.
I hope all this crazy nonsense ends soon and we start building bridges instead of burning them and get back to the business of being the great fire department we once were!

[Unregisteredunblvbl]

As an outsider looking in (I'm a Nassau firefighter), I am amazed at what you people are doing here on a public forum. Newsday made the fire service look like solid gold compared to what you idiots are putting out there for EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC to read.

Unfuckingbelievable. You people are a disgrace to the fire service, and clearly deserve each other.

KEEP YOUR STUPID FUCKING GARBAGE IN HOUSE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.

[Matt C]

I think the time has come for everybody to just take a moment and think about
the implications of what we are doing to our department.

First of all, Have we forgotten why we are here ?.....It's not about who wins or loses, it's not about who's right or wrong....granted, I do believe if you break the rules, you deserve to be punished. Yes, we are VOLUNTEERS, but we must not forget that becoming a volunteer requires that we sacrifice certain things in our lives because we take the oath of a firefighter that states we will uphold the constitution of the U.S.A, the laws of this state, and the RULES, REGULATIONS and BY-LAWS of the Patchogue Fire Department and District, to obey the orders of the Chief's and officers of the Department....etc....etc.....
By swearing to this oath, you essentially give up certain rights and you become a servant of the PUBLIC.

OUR PRIMARY REASON TO BE HERE IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AT ANY COST...and it seems to me that we have forgotten this little fact.

As for the racing team, as a former member myself, I feel that the team has gotten away from the whole concept of department spirit. When I was on the team, we had members from every company and we always did things as a department......somewhere along the line we lost that connection...and I hate to say it, but certain individuals have been responsible for this "disconnection".....I really cannot say this without being harsh or accusatory, but when you have certain individuals that are disruptive and do not act appropriately in public, whether or not they are in uniform, you cannot allow this individual to go unpunished.....(In my opinion, it should have been handled when the incident occurred prior to being "aired" out in public).

Think about the logic behind this....Years ago it would have been easy to squash this whole thing and brush it under the table......In the society that we live in today, where Chiefs go to jail, and everybody wants to sue somebody for something, wouldn't you want to protect yourself and the rest of the department from any repercussions from the public ?

So....this incident occurred with someone (Sue) who would most likely make our lives more miserable if we didn't handle it "in house".....and the Chief, in order to protect this department from public scrutiny and/or a lawsuit decided to handle this in an appropriate manner and suspended the member in question. I personally think that this was the right thing to do...and if anyone has a problem with that, feel free to come speak to me and I will tell you to your face.

As for John, I also think that as a man, you should have taken your licks and your punishment instead of trying to justify why you were right. You were 100% at fault no matter who started it or if you were in uniform or not. Walking away would have been the right thing to do instead of letting your ego get the best of you, even though, as you and others claim. you didn't start the problem.....you should have ended it. Out of uniform or in uniform, you are known by others to be a member of the Patchogue Fire Depatment and are a representative of such AT ALL TIMES (Public servant) and you should act accordingly.

As for the incident at Vanguards, I will state for a fact that the Chief absolutely had no alcohol in him that night for which he was falsely accused and how do I know this ?....Just ask the 6 other guys that were sitting at the poker table with him at Headquarters including a commissioner that night.
When the call was received by a resident of the loud noise from the Vanguards at a time which was an hour past the time that the party was supposed to end, you are going to try and tell me that the chief doesn't have the right to go there to control the situation ? I have news for you guys...regardless of what you think or what may have been in the past...that is not your building and the Chief is responsible for what happens down there PERIOD....no if's and's or but's. Let's be realistic here.......The truth that you don't want to admit is that for so long (even when I was a member down there) you have gotten away with more than you should have and you have not realized that this is a different time now and that we cannot continue to do the things we used to do. Long gone are the days when a cop would pull over a fireman and offer him a ride home.....now your ass goes to jail.....fireman or not. Gentleman, all I am saying is that we need to look at something much bigger than we are in order to come to logical conclusions instead of all this hatred because it is not doing anyone any good at all....we must regain our sight of why we are here, once again, to PROTECT AND SERVE THE PUBLIC.

That's all I have to say for now. Thanks for listening.

[FIREKILLER]

As an outsider looking in (I'm a Nassau firefighter), I am amazed at what you people are doing here on a public forum. Newsday made the fire service look like solid gold compared to what you idiots are putting out there for EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC to read.

Unfuckingbelievable. You people are a disgrace to the fire service, and clearly deserve each other.

KEEP YOUR STUPID FUCKING GARBAGE IN HOUSE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
And now this what we are talking about, jerks like you that have nothing better to do with your life ,but to say shit like that, And no we are not idiots we are just another dept with problems like yours does"nt have any. so before you run mouth and talk shit instead of talking like an adult 'THEN SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!!!!":mad:

[5-19-72 (N.Greco)]

Dear Chiefs, Officers ,members of the Patchogue FD and everyone who has posted a bulletin on this website,


It has come to my attention that many people have been writing about our "situation," in this doomed fire department. Some people are members, some people are not....the bottom line is that regardless of what everyone thinks, THERE ARE 2 SIDES OF A STORY. Did anyone think about asking Mr. Hasemann his side of the story before he was completely flat-lined from this department..? NO! Does anyone REALLY know the facts or did they just "hear it in the coffee room?" Whats right, is right! When I am wrong I admit it, and I admit that SOMETIMES things do tend to get out of line at the Van Guards AND at headquarters ( lets not get into some of the things I KNOW from dispatching and things I have seen). With a little teamwork and UNITY maybe this place could turn around. But not when everyone is talking shit about everyone and their mother...people do things wrong. The world isnt perfect. Give the guy a break and give my company a break. We are the backbone of this department. We all are the backbone. What is going to happen when there actually is a fire? Is someone going to get hurt? Maybe we need to start thinking about becoming a FIRE department again, rather than a 10th grade high school class. AND IT STARTS FROM THE TOP. I have not one problem with any person in the Patchogue fire department and hopefully I never will. Lets all act like adults and end this bullshit.

P.S. I guess its ok to steal money than too...

[5-19-72 (N.Greco)]

And Herk,
We enjoy having you come to our parties along with anyone else that isnt " afraid"

[FIREKILLER]

john hassman is wrong for what he did breaking into to a car is against the LAW just because he did not get arrested for it does'nt make it not a crime, and as far as sue goes you know the phrase stick and stones, he should of been the bigger person and walked away look what it got him

[Mommy's Home]

Oh my god you guys are acting like a bunch of children! I have to agree with the firefighter from Nassau. I think my fellow brothers need a love fest. Ok come on now all together join in a big circle. Now dont be shy! Ok ready 1 2 3 BIGGGGG HUGGGGG! Now I am sure you all feel alot better.

[Herk]

Nicky can we have a talk.My cell is on file.

[0000000000000sj]

Mat , are you telling me the Chief who at one time was a VG but went up street after he lost Chief driver , and his buddy Bill lost the election for Chief is not just getting his revenge. Oh yes everyone forgot how he said he was gonna shoot the new Chief in the back and would get the VG for getting rid of his buddy Bill. Wake up and smell the roses . Also this is the same guy who holds everyone to a hire standard then him self . Remember who got a lawyer because he was suspended for missing training and now he's piling training on the members but he does not have to make. I know your friends with him and that's fine but be real he's an idiot Mat and you know it.Do you want to talk about him letting his under age son drink at the Fire house or bring him into fire's with no pack on were he's not supposed to be .

[Matt C]

Mat , are you telling me the Chief who at one time was a VG but went up street after he lost Chief driver , and his buddy Bill lost the election for Chief is not just getting his revenge. Oh yes everyone forgot how he said he was gonna shoot the new Chief in the back and would get the VG for getting rid of his buddy Bill. Wake up and smell the roses . Also this is the same guy who holds everyone to a hire standard then him self . Remember who got a lawyer because he was suspended for missing training and now he's piling training on the members but he does not have to make. I know your friends with him and that's fine but be real he's an idiot Mat and you know it.Do you want to talk about him letting his under age son drink at the Fire house or bring him into fire's with no pack on were he's not supposed to be .

I do remember these things you mention about him leaving the vanguards and Bill getting thrown out as Chief.....I was there then also. Do I believe that he is taking revenge for this ?.....No I do not. Why would he take revenge on people that weren't even there at that time ?....Would it make sense to take revenge on people who know nothing about those incidences ?.......

Do you remember when I was accused of stealing from the Vanguards ?....The way that I was treated after there was no proof that I stole anything ?....I Never stole anything form anybody in my entire life and people that knew me half my life believed the rest of the crowd. I was accused of being in cahoots with the Mafia....maybe someone did a background check on my family ?...and found my Uncles names and thought that I worked with them ? Why else would the mob be mentioned ? ........At the time, I had also purchased a brand new vehicle...and the crowd at vanguards accused me of using stolen money to purchase it when in fact, I showed everyone that I didn't put a down payment on it...and I had 5 years of payments.....and they still believed that I used the money from the VG. I also rented a vehicle to drive upstate for a tournament and I was accused of using stolen money for that trip...when in fact, I presented to the company in a meeting the statement of the credit card that I had used for this trip.

The list goes on....but do you see my point ?....In my case I was convicted and crucified, although innocent, and it remained with me for a long time because all it takes is one person to get on the bandwagon and the rest to follow and then you cannot convince them of anything other than what the rest of the crowd is doing.....It's human nature. There's a great book that everybody should read titled "Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds"....It explains this very situation that we are going through.

I honestly believe, after weighing what I know of BOTH sides of this mess that George is doing what he thinks is the right thing to do and I do not think it has anything to do with revenge.....Let's take a step back to the "cooler" incident......George could have dished out punishment for that and he Should have....but it shows that he can be reasonable at times. In fact, many upstreet guys were pissed at George for NOT suspending John when that happened.........

Look....George is not perfect and he makes decisions that people are not happy about....at times I've been angry at him.....but, when the "crowd mentality" says that everything he does is wrong, the problem is not him....

Isn't it possible that sometimes he does the right thing ?.....Of Course it is.

So.....with the "crowd mentality" the way it is, isn't it possible that they are so incensed with destroying George that they absolutely cannot see when he does the right thing ? According to the "science" of crowd psychology, this would be a true statement. (I am sure I am going to get razzed on this comment)

As for the underage drinking......how could you even bring that up ?....you know me and you know where I've been and you know what I know....
I know what goes on down at Vanguards .....you can't pull any wool over my eyes.....let's be real here !!!....It doesn't always hurt to tell the truth !!!
Everybody knows that over the years there has been underage drinking at the Vanguards....long before Tyler was born. Let's not kid anybody and hide behind that fact...You know it, I know it as well as everybody else....and we've all been guilty of it !!! This has gone on for years......This shouldn't be considered a factor in this mess.....those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How many Vanguard or HQ father's have drank with their sons at either firehouse ?.....MANY....and we all know it !! We cannot hide behind this !!

As for Tyler being in a fire with no pack on ?.....What fire is this ?....We have not had many working fires in quite awhile and Juniors know the rules about fires.....I have not seen this happen....I am one of the Advisors on the Explorers and I think I've been to all the working fires we've had since we started the program and I would not have allowed the kids to go anywhere without a pack on. They are permitted to go into the buildings after the fire has been knocked down....but prior to this I have never seen or heard about an explorer being in a fire without a pack on. Please get me more details on this.....and speaking of no packs and no gear.....I don't want to go tit for tat...but I recall, as Captain, while on the roof of the building at the South Street fire.....there was a Chief on the roof with NO GEAR and NO PACK.....

So you see....every argument you throw at me has the counterpoint of the same or similar situation occurring with the opposing side.

My point is....everyone is accusing George of doing things that they have done themselves at one time or another. We are all guilty of these things, especially the drinking.....Me personally, I cannot drink anymore because of my diabetes and I have no problem with anybody that drinks....but it's a different time now and we need to put a damper on some things that involve the alcohol.

That's all for now. Thanks for bringing an intelligent response to my previous post.

[Unregistered456789]

I know what will solve this. The commissioners need to do what is right and stop George from making his own rules as he goes along. We voted and supported these commissioners and they have to set him straight. I'm sure it was his idea about the cameras so that he can go in the booth and check out what is going on down there at Vanguards whenever he wants to. This dept has gone down hill ever since he was chief. I'm not a member but it looks tens times worse with an outsider looking in. When are the cmaeras going in the big room upstairs. And another thing, if there is no alcohol aloud in the firehouses then there should be none when renting out the rooms. It shouldn't be done on a case by case basis. It's all or none.

[FIREKILLER]

How can you say the department is going down hill since George took over as chief. We do more training now then we did before an not just whats required to stay active, but to make sure that we are able to do our jobs when needed, as for him making rules as he goes along thats a bunch of CRAP THAT A FEW TROUBLED MEMBERS ARE STIRING THE SHIT POT WITH. This shit has to stop NOW so we get back to what firefighting is all about saving lives and property.


whats up ex-cap

[Matt C]

I know what will solve this. The commissioners need to do what is right and stop George from making his own rules as he goes along. We voted and supported these commissioners and they have to set him straight. I'm sure it was his idea about the cameras so that he can go in the booth and check out what is going on down there at Vanguards whenever he wants to. This dept has gone down hill ever since he was chief. I'm not a member but it looks tens times worse with an outsider looking in. When are the cmaeras going in the big room upstairs. And another thing, if there is no alcohol aloud in the firehouses then there should be none when renting out the rooms. It shouldn't be done on a case by case basis. It's all or none.

It just so happens that George is only following the rules that are in the by-laws and nothing else. If you can obtain a copy of such, you will see that I am 100% correct. You are just so closed-minded and part of the "crowd" that you refuse to even give the other side of the story any chance at all....

Apparently, you are just listening to the "other" side without having a single rational thought about the whole thing. Please refer to my last post where I mention the "science" behind "crowd psychology". You have fallen into the trap of "following the crowd" just because it sounds justifiable and appears like it makes sense.....If you really take a look at both sides with an objective mind, you will see the truth for what it is.

As for the cameras, there have been cameras at Headquarters for at least the last 10 years....When Jon Parris was Chief (VanGuards), he made sure those cameras were installed. Why were they not installed at Vanguards at the same time ?....Get your facts before making a claim.

Also....upstairs in the big room is NOT where we hang out....That is NOT our recreation room !!....Our rec room is in the basement where there are cameras. By the way.....in case you didn't get your facts straight.....The commissioners made the decision to finally install cameras at vanguards after 10 years of waiting....George did not make that decision.

As for the alcohol.....I agree with you to some extent....but once again, the board of Commissioners that you elected made that final decision and the way it is supposed to occur....Me, personally, I could care less about the alcohol as I am diabetic and can no longer drink for the last 2 years...(I've had a couple of beers within this time period with disastrous results)....But I believe better guidelines should be set forth in regards to parties and other times, NOT on a case by case, but by standards for certain types of parties...such as there should be no alcohol served at parties reserved for childrens or teens type occasions. It's a different time now than it was years ago....there are new laws on the books regarding the serving of alcohol and the responsibility of such. The fire department and district will be held liable if an alcohol related incident occurs because of alcohol being served out of the firehouses. There is no way around this anymore.......check out the laws.

That's all for now. Thank You.

[Unregistered26]

It just so happens that George is only following the rules that are in the by-laws and nothing else. If you can obtain a copy of such, you will see that I am 100% correct. You are just so closed-minded and part of the "crowd" that you refuse to even give the other side of the story any chance at all....

Apparently, you are just listening to the "other" side without having a single rational thought about the whole thing. Please refer to my last post where I mention the "science" behind "crowd psychology". You have fallen into the trap of "following the crowd" just because it sounds justifiable and appears like it makes sense.....If you really take a look at both sides with an objective mind, you will see the truth for what it is.

As for the cameras, there have been cameras at Headquarters for at least the last 10 years....When Jon Parris was Chief (VanGuards), he made sure those cameras were installed. Why were they not installed at Vanguards at the same time ?....Get your facts before making a claim.

Also....upstairs in the big room is NOT where we hang out....That is NOT our recreation room !!....Our rec room is in the basement where there are cameras. By the way.....in case you didn't get your facts straight.....The commissioners made the decision to finally install cameras at vanguards after 10 years of waiting....George did not make that decision.

As for the alcohol.....I agree with you to some extent....but once again, the board of Commissioners that you elected made that final decision and the way it is supposed to occur....Me, personally, I could care less about the alcohol as I am diabetic and can no longer drink for the last 2 years...(I've had a couple of beers within this time period with disastrous results)....But I believe better guidelines should be set forth in regards to parties and other times, NOT on a case by case, but by standards for certain types of parties...such as there should be no alcohol served at parties reserved for childrens or teens type occasions. It's a different time now than it was years ago....there are new laws on the books regarding the serving of alcohol and the responsibility of such. The fire department and district will be held liable if an alcohol related incident occurs because of alcohol being served out of the firehouses. There is no way around this anymore.......check out the laws.

That's all for now. Thank You.are you kidding me mat. you think that george is playing by the rules. out of the roughly 15 or so people that george has suspended, tell me how many people got a chance to defend themselves or at least tell their side of the story about any incident that they were suspended for at the executive board meetings. not one person has been given the chance. according to your by-laws article XV section 1 "ant member MAY be suspended or expelled from the department for any infraction of these by-laws other than as set forth in articleXIV of these by-laws, if sustained by a majority vote of the executive board present and voting at a regular or special meeting of the executive board, and after a review of the facts and cicumstances." just in case you are not up to date with your by-laws article XV section 14 states " any member violating any section of these by-laws , except those contained in article XV hereof, shall be summoned to appear before the executive board by certified mail witrh return receipt requested, specifying the date time and place of the meeting, with a copyof the charges enclosed. at said time he/she shall be entitled to review the records and questions pertaining to the matter; be representedby counsel at their own expense; and if found guilty reprimand, suspension, or expulsion from the department shall be imposed, providing that a majority of the executive board present and voting affirm the guilt and penalty." if you still think that he plays by these rules i can assure you that none of the suspended members of this department under george's rule have been afforded this right that is stated right in the by-laws of the patchogue fire department. you can even look at the suspension letters if you would like i am sure we all still have them!

[Unregistered002200]

It just so happens that George is only following the rules that are in the by-laws and nothing else. If you can obtain a copy of such, you will see that I am 100% correct. You are just so closed-minded and part of the "crowd" that you refuse to even give the other side of the story any chance at all....

Apparently, you are just listening to the "other" side without having a single rational thought about the whole thing. Please refer to my last post where I mention the "science" behind "crowd psychology". You have fallen into the trap of "following the crowd" just because it sounds justifiable and appears like it makes sense.....If you really take a look at both sides with an objective mind, you will see the truth for what it is.

As for the cameras, there have been cameras at Headquarters for at least the last 10 years....When Jon Parris was Chief (VanGuards), he made sure those cameras were installed. Why were they not installed at Vanguards at the same time ?....Get your facts before making a claim.

Also....upstairs in the big room is NOT where we hang out....That is NOT our recreation room !!....Our rec room is in the basement where there are cameras. By the way.....in case you didn't get your facts straight.....The commissioners made the decision to finally install cameras at vanguards after 10 years of waiting....George did not make that decision.

As for the alcohol.....I agree with you to some extent....but once again, the board of Commissioners that you elected made that final decision and the way it is supposed to occur....Me, personally, I could care less about the alcohol as I am diabetic and can no longer drink for the last 2 years...(I've had a couple of beers within this time period with disastrous results)....But I believe better guidelines should be set forth in regards to parties and other times, NOT on a case by case, but by standards for certain types of parties...such as there should be no alcohol served at parties reserved for childrens or teens type occasions. It's a different time now than it was years ago....there are new laws on the books regarding the serving of alcohol and the responsibility of such. The fire department and district will be held liable if an alcohol related incident occurs because of alcohol being served out of the firehouses. There is no way around this anymore.......check out the laws.

That's all for now. Thank You.


Boy Matt, Looks like George has you under his spell too. Poor thing!!!!

[Unregisteredoutsider]

This is better than the Terrace.

[Paris girlymen]

patchugue is a real town now...that's why the village was happy to have a fire district formed so they didnt have to deal with the losers in the fd....they're onto real development and the district will become second fiddle anyway as the central business district, when the bid is created will have there own fd personnel...besides the forty fags have been barred for fondling other teams ability to out cheat them

[Unregistered000]

patchugue is a real town now...that's why the village was happy to have a fire district formed so they didnt have to deal with the losers in the fd....they're onto real development and the district will become second fiddle anyway as the central business district, when the bid is created will have there own fd personnel...besides the forty fags have been barred for fondling other teams ability to out cheat them

I'm an HQ guy and I have to say this post even pissed me off. "Losers in the fd" my guess is you couldn't hack it in the fire department and maybe your just jealous. Second guess is you wouldn't be calling us losers if your house was on fire. Third guess "fags, girlymen, fondling" is your homophobic stance taken to try and cover up the fact that you are as queer as a three dollar bill? Thanks for posting come back when you realize what you're talking about.

[Matt C]

are you kidding me mat. you think that george is playing by the rules. out of the roughly 15 or so people that george has suspended, tell me how many people got a chance to defend themselves or at least tell their side of the story about any incident that they were suspended for at the executive board meetings. not one person has been given the chance. according to your by-laws article XV section 1 "ant member MAY be suspended or expelled from the department for any infraction of these by-laws other than as set forth in articleXIV of these by-laws, if sustained by a majority vote of the executive board present and voting at a regular or special meeting of the executive board, and after a review of the facts and cicumstances." just in case you are not up to date with your by-laws article XV section 14 states " any member violating any section of these by-laws , except those contained in article XV hereof, shall be summoned to appear before the executive board by certified mail witrh return receipt requested, specifying the date time and place of the meeting, with a copyof the charges enclosed. at said time he/she shall be entitled to review the records and questions pertaining to the matter; be representedby counsel at their own expense; and if found guilty reprimand, suspension, or expulsion from the department shall be imposed, providing that a majority of the executive board present and voting affirm the guilt and penalty." if you still think that he plays by these rules i can assure you that none of the suspended members of this department under george's rule have been afforded this right that is stated right in the by-laws of the patchogue fire department. you can even look at the suspension letters if you would like i am sure we all still have them!

If you are going to quote the by-laws, then you better dig a little deeper for the accurate information. The by-laws you have quoted above have been taken out of context as I will demonstrate here to follow.........

Let's start with Article 15, Section 14.........
I am only going to quote the first sentence to save space, as you have
already quoted it above.
It reads............

"Any member violating any section of these by-laws, EXCEPT (did you read that ?...I'll emphasize again.....EXCEPT) those contained in Article 15 hereof, shall be summoned to appear......etc...etc...."

Okay ....now let's track back to see what the EXCEPTION is.......

Article 15, Section 1 states..............

"Any member may be suspended or expelled from the department for any infraction of these by-laws, OTHER THAN AS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE 14 of these by-laws.....etc....etc...." (Capitals mine)...

Oh....praytell...what is this.....?.....does that say OTHER THAN as set forth in Article 14 of these by-laws.......Let's examine Article 14, shall we ?
So....with all these exceptions and "other thans"...let's just get to the heart of it.

Article 14, Section 1 states......

"Any member may be suspended by a Chief, or officer in charge in the absence of the Chief, who shall file a notice of suspension in triplicate (copy to member, copy to executive board, and copy to Commissioners) properly signed and duly served within 2 (two) business days after such suspension by certified mail OR PERSONAL NOTIFICATION"

Section 2 states.........

"In accordance with the provisions of State Law, the Chief (or assistant chief's, in the chief's absence) shall supervise the conduct of the members and officers of the fire department and may discipline them for improper conduct and neglect of duty. In the event of MISCONDUCT or NEGLECT OF DUTY, THE CHIEF MAY SUSPEND A MEMBER FROM DUTY AND/OR MAY SUSPEND AN OFFICER FROM HIS OR HER OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. SUCH SUSPENSION SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT INDEFINITELY, PENDING THE ACTION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS AT IT'S NEXT MEETING. AT THAT MEETING, THE CHIEF SHALL PRESENT THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE SUSPENSION TO THE BOARD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO FURTHER DISCIPLINARY ACTION, IF ANY. THEREAFTER, IT SHALL BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS TO METE OUT DISCIPLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF DUE PROCESS AND STATE LAW. "

It seems to me, as far as this by-law goes......Nowhere does it state that the executive board has to listen to anybody.....

It's right there in black and white......so stop quoting by-laws willie-nilly without sticking your nose into them and doing a little research. All it takes is a little intelligence.

The executive boards power is limited to actions other than disciplinary, with the exception of training violations and probationary members where the board can suspend or expel.....but not when it comes to violations that require disciplinary actions.....that is up to the commissioners.

[Unregistered44773]

If you are going to quote the by-laws, then you better dig a little deeper for the accurate information. The by-laws you have quoted above have been taken out of context as I will demonstrate here to follow.........

Let's start with Article 15, Section 14.........
I am only going to quote the first sentence to save space, as you have
already quoted it above.
It reads............

"Any member violating any section of these by-laws, EXCEPT (did you read that ?...I'll emphasize again.....EXCEPT) those contained in Article 15 hereof, shall be summoned to appear......etc...etc...."

Okay ....now let's track back to see what the EXCEPTION is.......

Article 15, Section 1 states..............

"Any member may be suspended or expelled from the department for any infraction of these by-laws, OTHER THAN AS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE 14 of these by-laws.....etc....etc...." (Capitals mine)...

Oh....praytell...what is this.....?.....does that say OTHER THAN as set forth in Article 14 of these by-laws.......Let's examine Article 14, shall we ?
So....with all these exceptions and "other thans"...let's just get to the heart of it.

Article 14, Section 1 states......

"Any member may be suspended by a Chief, or officer in charge in the absence of the Chief, who shall file a notice of suspension in triplicate (copy to member, copy to executive board, and copy to Commissioners) properly signed and duly served within 2 (two) business days after such suspension by certified mail OR PERSONAL NOTIFICATION"

Section 2 states.........

"In accordance with the provisions of State Law, the Chief (or assistant chief's, in the chief's absence) shall supervise the conduct of the members and officers of the fire department and may discipline them for improper conduct and neglect of duty. In the event of MISCONDUCT or NEGLECT OF DUTY, THE CHIEF MAY SUSPEND A MEMBER FROM DUTY AND/OR MAY SUSPEND AN OFFICER FROM HIS OR HER OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. SUCH SUSPENSION SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT INDEFINITELY, PENDING THE ACTION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS AT IT'S NEXT MEETING. AT THAT MEETING, THE CHIEF SHALL PRESENT THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE SUSPENSION TO THE BOARD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO FURTHER DISCIPLINARY ACTION, IF ANY. THEREAFTER, IT SHALL BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS TO METE OUT DISCIPLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF DUE PROCESS AND STATE LAW. "

It seems to me, as far as this by-law goes......Nowhere does it state that the executive board has to listen to anybody.....

It's right there in black and white......so stop quoting by-laws willie-nilly without sticking your nose into them and doing a little research. All it takes is a little intelligence.

The executive boards power is limited to actions other than disciplinary, with the exception of training violations and probationary members where the board can suspend or expel.....but not when it comes to violations that require disciplinary actions.....that is up to the commissioners.

George wrote them so of course you will back him. Are you the next one up for chief in H&L.
And the guys STILL don't know why they were suspended.

[Unregistered26]

If you are going to quote the by-laws, then you better dig a little deeper for the accurate information. The by-laws you have quoted above have been taken out of context as I will demonstrate here to follow.........

Let's start with Article 15, Section 14.........
I am only going to quote the first sentence to save space, as you have
already quoted it above.
It reads............

"Any member violating any section of these by-laws, EXCEPT (did you read that ?...I'll emphasize again.....EXCEPT) those contained in Article 15 hereof, shall be summoned to appear......etc...etc...."

Okay ....now let's track back to see what the EXCEPTION is.......

Article 15, Section 1 states..............

"Any member may be suspended or expelled from the department for any infraction of these by-laws, OTHER THAN AS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE 14 of these by-laws.....etc....etc...." (Capitals mine)...

Oh....praytell...what is this.....?.....does that say OTHER THAN as set forth in Article 14 of these by-laws.......Let's examine Article 14, shall we ?
So....with all these exceptions and "other thans"...let's just get to the heart of it.

Article 14, Section 1 states......

"Any member may be suspended by a Chief, or officer in charge in the absence of the Chief, who shall file a notice of suspension in triplicate (copy to member, copy to executive board, and copy to Commissioners) properly signed and duly served within 2 (two) business days after such suspension by certified mail OR PERSONAL NOTIFICATION"

Section 2 states.........

"In accordance with the provisions of State Law, the Chief (or assistant chief's, in the chief's absence) shall supervise the conduct of the members and officers of the fire department and may discipline them for improper conduct and neglect of duty. In the event of MISCONDUCT or NEGLECT OF DUTY, THE CHIEF MAY SUSPEND A MEMBER FROM DUTY AND/OR MAY SUSPEND AN OFFICER FROM HIS OR HER OFFICE IMMEDIATELY. SUCH SUSPENSION SHALL REMAIN IN EFFECT INDEFINITELY, PENDING THE ACTION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS AT IT'S NEXT MEETING. AT THAT MEETING, THE CHIEF SHALL PRESENT THE FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING THE SUSPENSION TO THE BOARD AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO FURTHER DISCIPLINARY ACTION, IF ANY. THEREAFTER, IT SHALL BE THE OBLIGATION OF THE BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS TO METE OUT DISCIPLINE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES OF DUE PROCESS AND STATE LAW. "

It seems to me, as far as this by-law goes......Nowhere does it state that the executive board has to listen to anybody.....

It's right there in black and white......so stop quoting by-laws willie-nilly without sticking your nose into them and doing a little research. All it takes is a little intelligence.

The executive boards power is limited to actions other than disciplinary, with the exception of training violations and probationary members where the board can suspend or expel.....but not when it comes to violations that require disciplinary actions.....that is up to the commissioners.

alright matt you have a point, if you are suspended for anything under article XV, that would be the exception to being told to appear at the executive board meeting. but if you are suspended under article XIV section 2 as you have quoted then article XV section 14 clearly states that the suspended person "shall be summoned to appear before the executive board...ect.ect." that means that whoever is suspended for anything other than rules under article XV are by constitutional law, state law and the patchogue by-laws which chief george swore to uphold and clearly DOES NOT, are supposed to appear at the executive board meeting. being a person who was suspended under article XIV i what the by-laws say and that i was denied my constitutional, state and the patchogue by-laws right to appear and defend myself. it is in black and white and clearly stated, so there is no other interpetation. so maybe you should read it again!!

[99999998888877777]

George is a good Chief RIGHT, did he not say to the VG Captain that if Jon H. went away all the suspension will go away and all this will stop . If that is not conduct unbecoming or abuse of power then I guess he is a great Chief . Also I herd any new person coming into the VG George has to interview them . Does he do this for all companies or just the VG ? Another thing the infamous Friday night , there was a member who was going after George to do bodily harm to him ( about time someone has real balls, that guy is my hero ) And George did absolutely nothing to the member and suspended guys that should not of been. Why , could the name have something to do with it, or was George just that drunk, even though someone was with George all night and swears he was not drinking.And just so you Know I cant stand Jon H. but just because you don't like someone it does not mean you can just screw the guy out of the volunteer fire department.

[joe c]

Boy Matt, Looks like George has you under his spell too. Poor thing!!!!

you are starting to sound like your part of the crowd now (that's the George crowd)

[Matt C]

alright matt you have a point, if you are suspended for anything under article XV, that would be the exception to being told to appear at the executive board meeting. but if you are suspended under article XIV section 2 as you have quoted then article XV section 14 clearly states that the suspended person "shall be summoned to appear before the executive board...ect.ect." that means that whoever is suspended for anything other than rules under article XV are by constitutional law, state law and the patchogue by-laws which chief george swore to uphold and clearly DOES NOT, are supposed to appear at the executive board meeting. being a person who was suspended under article XIV i what the by-laws say and that i was denied my constitutional, state and the patchogue by-laws right to appear and defend myself. it is in black and white and clearly stated, so there is no other interpetation. so maybe you should read it again!!

I don't dispute that you weren't given due process.....I am disputing where you think due process should be given..I agree that you should have the right to appear and defend yourself, but not before the executive board.....The executive board does not have the power to act on your defensive position, therefore it doesn't help you at all to appear.

The commissioners have that task, not the executive board. The only time the executive board can act on something without the commissioners is when it involves a probationary member or a matter pertaining to a member that doesn't fulfill his training requirements.

[Matt C]

you are starting to sound like your part of the crowd now (that's the George crowd)

Joe, As you can see in all my posts, I've pretty much stuck to the facts as I know them.....come on Joe...you mean to tell me that in the 14 years that I spent in the Vanguards, you don't think I saw some of the shit that always went on down there ? Some of the shit that I, myself was involved with ?....or you and me involved in shit ? I don't want to start telling stories about stuff that should have never happened.....and continues to go on to this day.....I am trying to be fair here....and you know me well enough to realize that I am most likely not going to take that route.

Everything I've stated in these posts are based on my own observation and not the thoughts of others.....if I know something to be factual, I will state it as such....if I am not sure, I won't state it at all. I don't blame the Vanguard Hose Company as a whole, but there are certain people there that only play by their own rules and that shit has to stop. And yes, I will admit that George can be difficult to work with at times.....but in this case it is because he is being backed against a wall.....a few individuals put him into this position and I am pretty sure it was done on purpose just because someone doesn't like him.

[Matt C]

George wrote them so of course you will back him. Are you the next one up for chief in H&L.
And the guys STILL don't know why they were suspended.

George wrote them ??.......That is the most ridiculous thing that I have heard so far......it really takes brains to make that comment......

Get the facts.......THE LAWYERS WROTE THEM....I guess you weren't around when the current by-laws were drafted....If you were, you would have known about the meetings that we had and how the initial drafts were approved by ALL THE COMPANIES and posted for 30 days....etc. etc.....Members were asked their opinions and were allowed to ask questions, which they did, and the lawyer answered them.....Get your facts straight....before you spout nonsense.

[and now there are two]

This is better than the Terrace.

That don't care about the internet, "if a dog can do it you can watch."
Simple.
That's the difference. Most hard drivers will eventually take care of it internally. Go Vanguard. This too shall pass.

[Herk]

What happen to decency.Its called grasping for straws.

[678643245556]

But Mat you keep quoting the by-laws , witch to me really bother me because the way the department is they interpret the by-laws to appease them self not to be fair to the members . They will read it one way to help someone and another way to screw someone if they don't like them. If you can tell me they don't then I will be the first to check my self in the psyc ward. And for the Chief you are sticking up for , if he is so fair and not dead set against the VG , Why did he make a comment month back that the VG have seen nothing yet. ( check with Mike G the third he was there) that sounds like a fair person. Also after the commissioners re-opened the VG house he told the Captain that to him the VG house is still closed. Another thing thing I herd (I don't know if it is fact yet) anyone applying to the VG will have to be interviewed by him . Ya know something the more I think about it always comes back to getting revenge.

[huked un fonix]

learn how to spell "Patchogue" you moron

[Unregistered4477885]

Nice parade today. Holtsville had more men in line than Patchogue did. I WONDER WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt C]

But Mat you keep quoting the by-laws , witch to me really bother me because the way the department is they interpret the by-laws to appease them self not to be fair to the members . They will read it one way to help someone and another way to screw someone if they don't like them. If you can tell me they don't then I will be the first to check my self in the psyc ward. And for the Chief you are sticking up for , if he is so fair and not dead set against the VG , Why did he make a comment month back that the VG have seen nothing yet. ( check with Mike G the third he was there) that sounds like a fair person. Also after the commissioners re-opened the VG house he told the Captain that to him the VG house is still closed. Another thing thing I herd (I don't know if it is fact yet) anyone applying to the VG will have to be interviewed by him . Ya know something the more I think about it always comes back to getting revenge.

I totally understand what you are saying about the interpretation of the by-laws.....anyone who doesn't see that is a fool, but it's not about the interpretation of a single by-law.....The problem lies in the fact that many of us just arbitrarily pick out a single by-law without looking at the whole picture. This is how anyone can use the by-laws to suit their own needs. For example....

Article 15, Section 14 reads......."Any member violating any section of these by-laws, EXCEPT those contained in Article 15 hereof, shall be summoned to appear before the Executive board........etc....etc...."

Anybody could just read that by-law and assume that they must appear before the executive board.....only for some reason, they totally ignore the first sentence which explains in BLACK & WHITE that there is an EXCEPTION to this by-law....which means that this by-law does not apply to certain conditions.....seems pretty obvious to me....

Let's take it further to see what the EXCEPTION to this by-law is....."EXCEPT
those contained in Article 15 hereof......etc....etc...."

Section 10 of Article 15 reads " Any member guilty of conduct unbecoming a firefighter AT ANY TIME OR PLACE may be immediately suspended by a Chief until the next meeting of the BOARD OF FIRE COMMISSIONERS"

So according to Article 15, Section 14.....This by-law to appear before the Executive board only applies to violations OTHER than the violations contained within Article 15....and Section 10 quoted above is within Article 15, therefore cannot be included as part of Section 14. Seems very clear to me.

You know Joe, it's not that I am sticking up for him.....I am sticking up for what I think is right.....anybody else could be in that position and I would be saying the same thing. And when I say right.....I only say that pertaining to the by-laws.

I may not necessarily agree with the way he does things, but I honestly don't think he is doing it for revenge.....He is doing what He THINKS is the right thing to do...and I can't blame him for that. Some guys will be hurt by this, and in my opinion there are 2 fireman that I don't think should have been punished....but then again, I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened. But although I believe George was not right to punish those 2 fireman, it doesn't mean that he is wrong with everything else....If a man makes a mistake, it doesn't mean he always makes mistakes....do you see what I mean ??

As for the stories about things George has said.....I have heard the same stories but do not know the validity of them and will not comment other than if the stories are true, then George, in my opinion, is wrong. But, once again...it doesn't mean that he is wrong with everything.

And I will tell you this, If I was in his shoes, I may have handled things a little differently, but as far as certain individuals go.....there still would have been punishment given. Talk to you tomorrow Joe....I am off tonight...going to get some sleep for a change.

[bla bla bla]

where the fuck do you get off bringing robert into this bullshit???????? Geroge has fucked the VGs left and right and if tables were turned and HQs was being bashed im sure it would be different, for as long as ive been around no one from upstreet has had the balls to step up for whats right and just to be noted i remember times when george was at VGs having a great time drinking and partying with strippers so if not for revenge then whats his motive???

[FIREKILLER]

jon h screwed himself out of the department, and he is bringing the VGs with him , you know hes wrong so stop defending him, because when hes all done with his crap and he is finally gone you guy will have to clean up his mess and that really sucks

[bla bla bla]

so after all these years you mean to tell me that no one has had an altercation with anyone anywhere at anytime in uniform or out of uniform? I believe that many of us had but no one has been suspended before for these such acts? Sue is at fault also she committed a crime by spitting at him but nothing was done to her? I have seen Sue in the stands at tournaments harassing the fans of patchogue and cursing when patchogue is going down the track. you cant blame the downfall of this company on John H you all have blood on your hands

[Unregistered33333333]

The Chief driving down the railroad tracks? Was it coverd up or should he have been thier?

[Unregisteredmyballs]

Anyone caught writing on this will be suspended!!! HARD TIME!

you aint seen anything yet

[Unregistered4564546]

Yeah give me a break. It's called FREEDON OF SPEECH and it is our rights.
Tell the chief to stop entertaining himself by watching the video feed of the Vangards.

[Unregistered112244]

Nice article in the advance. All about George of course. They should have interviewed the commissioners

[Unregistered090908998]

George is nothing but a slum lord, he owns the worst rental in patchogue.

[Jaja]

At least the fire house on jennings ave is just that a fire house , not an animal house. or a zoo. you babys better remember what you took an oath for to protect and serve not drink, race, and cry to mommy. Oh I forgot you cant race!!! guess you will all have alot of time this summer, maybe you can now be firefighters, or dont you have hoods and boots? GET A LIFE KNOW AND GROW UP

What else all Vollies should do in all the Battalions on LI is to stop hiring strippers and give their own damn wives the money instead...After all, the wives are doing more than lap dancing their hubbies Vollies brothers...LOL!

[ric flair]

george is a no good sob he is a liar and a coward he uses his position as chief to take care of his own personal agendas and makes deals behind his own departments back. It disgusts me the lengths he will go to to screw his own members.Departments all over the island are dying to take on new members and hes dying to throw members out. Hopefully things will be better when mike is chief.. ps the racing team is awesome

[Tierd of the BS]

^^^^^^ agreed the racing team is great, and the department will be better as a whole when Mike LoDolce is top chief.


^ This coming from a member who is in H&L.

[Unregisteredtoeast]

this is hilarious, no I know why I dont see anymore Patchogue Fd placards on person cars anymore, who in their right mind would acknowledge being a member of that FD. You guys and gals are patheic, but I must admit entertaing to us outsiders, keep it coming.

[Unregistered7878787]

Also, entertaiing to Chief Grauer. He has nothing better to do than sit in the booth at HQ and watch the live video feed from the Vanguards. Why pay to go to a movie when he can sit there and see who he can suspend next. I don't think anyone would want to have a party down there now. The whole thing is being tapped when you are down there. SHAME ON YOU GEORGE AND SHAME ON THE COMMISSIONERS WHO AREN"T STOPPING HIM!!!!! Get to work and stop him!!!!!!! Lets make this dept like it used to be.


Chief Barrie come back!!!!!!!!

[Unregisteredmoatgoat]

you mean the chief has to actually go to the firehouse and watch the live streaming video of his firehouse? gee those where the pioneer days, do what my dept does, hook the video survelliance system up to the internet, so you can watch from home or work or when your at a fd convention you wont miss a thing, and it even justifies the district purchasing you a lap top computer so can take it wherever you go. get with the times patchogue.

[Unregistered6969]

Patchogue's Commissioners can't even spell internet let alone authorize a purchase of a computer for use by a Chief. Spend money? Not unless it's for their Park (which used to be "Firemen's Park") so they can allow non-firemen to use it.

Oh, and to Unregistered7878787, "let's make the department like it used to be"? You mean, where the VGs would do anything they wanted to, despite department rules and regulations?

I think not.

Chief Grauer, you and the assistant Chiefs should be congratulated for finally standing up for the REST OF THE DEPARTMENT, who have no problem with video cameras. Why? Because we follow the rules and take our rightful punishment when, and if we don't.

As far as the spineless 3 Commissioners go who reversed your proper decision, it's clear that their agenda is most closely aligned with the small faction that exists for the sole purpose of destroying whatever little amount of brain cells are left remaining in their beer-soaked craniums.

[ric flair]

Standing up for the rest of the department. Who would that be, oh you mean the guys you would never see at a fire scene,parade,work detail or anything else that would entail representing the department. Yeah great job chief. go 40 thieves!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered000000099999]

When is the King George going to suspend the H/L guy who got the DWI leaving the ST Patrick party at H/Q. You know now the thing is your always a fireman no matter what or were you are. Well i guess the answer is never because of who he is. Nice job Teach way to mold the kids of our future, and good job Chief showing your true colors.

[Unregistered9989887]

H/Q are not a bunch of angelsPatchogue's Commissioners can't even spell internet let alone authorize a purchase of a computer for use by a Chief. Spend money? Not unless it's for their Park (which used to be "Firemen's Park") so they can allow non-firemen to use it.

Oh, and to Unregistered7878787, "let's make the department like it used to be"? You mean, where the VGs would do anything they wanted to, despite department rules and regulations?

I think not.

Chief Grauer, you and the assistant Chiefs should be congratulated for finally standing up for the REST OF THE DEPARTMENT, who have no problem with video cameras. Why? Because we follow the rules and take our rightful punishment when, and if we don't.

As far as the spineless 3 Commissioners go who reversed your proper decision, it's clear that their agenda is most closely aligned with the small faction that exists for the sole purpose of destroying whatever little amount of brain cells are left remaining in their beer-soaked craniums.

[FIREKILLER]

some people just don"t put them on their cars anymore, look who talking their called decales.

[ric flair]

What the fuck is that supposed to me

[Unregisteredrr55]

the chief told a member his 3 yr old son could ride in the chiefs car at the st patrick's day parade, but because he received a letter of complaint about his son drinking and driving the day before the parade he turns around and tells the member his son can not ride in the parade. so some body tell me something, this scum screws people left and right and its fine someone sends him a letter about his son doing something wrong drinking and driving so he gets mad and takes it out on a little boy. think about it guys hes your chief and he screws a little kid who was all excited about riding in the chief car for a parade. well just figured all you goerge backers should see the truth about your great chief and he is so great only 12 guys showed up for the parade out of what 150 members. good job

[ric flair]

Wooooooooooooooooooooo brother tell it like it is....... He cant hide from that.

[Eric Stratton]

Patchogue's Commissioners can't even spell internet let alone authorize a purchase of a computer for use by a Chief. Spend money? Not unless it's for their Park (which used to be "Firemen's Park") so they can allow non-firemen to use it.

Oh, and to Unregistered7878787, "let's make the department like it used to be"? You mean, where the VGs would do anything they wanted to, despite department rules and regulations?

I think not.

Chief Grauer, you and the assistant Chiefs should be congratulated for finally standing up for the REST OF THE DEPARTMENT, who have no problem with video cameras. Why? Because we follow the rules and take our rightful punishment when, and if we don't.

As far as the spineless 3 Commissioners go who reversed your proper decision, it's clear that their agenda is most closely aligned with the small faction that exists for the sole purpose of destroying whatever little amount of brain cells are left remaining in their beer-soaked craniums.


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"have a beer....dont' cost nothin'....

[Lou Watts]

...Sing along with us HQ....

"Tubthumping"....1997....


We'll be singing
When we're winning
We'll be singing

CHORUS:
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never gonna kick me down
I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down

CHORUS

Pissing the night away
Pissing the night away

BRIDGE:
He drinks a whisky drink
He drinks a vodka drink
He drinks a lager drink
He drinks a cider drink
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the good times
He sings the songs that remind him
Of the better times

"Oh Danny Boy
Danny Boy
Danny Boy..."

CHORUS X2

Pissing the night away
Pissing the night away

BRIDGE

"Don't cry for me
Next door neighbour..."

I get knocked down
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down REPEAT 4 TIMES

EXTENDED CHORUS
I get knocked down (we'll be singing)
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down (when we're winning)

I get knocked down (we'll be singing)
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down (when we're winning)

I get knocked down (ooh ooh ooh)
But I get up again
You're never going to keep me down

REPEAT EXTENDED CHORUS

[Vanguards Will Never Win]

the chief told a member his 3 yr old son could ride in the chiefs car at the st patrick's day parade, but because he received a letter of complaint about his son drinking and driving the day before the parade he turns around and tells the member his son can not ride in the parade. so some body tell me something, this scum screws people left and right and its fine someone sends him a letter about his son doing something wrong drinking and driving so he gets mad and takes it out on a little boy. think about it guys hes your chief and he screws a little kid who was all excited about riding in the chief car for a parade. well just figured all you goerge backers should see the truth about your great chief and he is so great only 12 guys showed up for the parade out of what 150 members. good job

You all need to get your facts straight and stop making shit up. Maybe Commisioner Grecco should do the right thing and stop being afraid of the select few assholes down there, then maybe he would get somewhere. Its pretty funny to how you all think tyler got a DWI to. Another fabricated story from the Vanguards.

[Unregistered0999]

ashole who said tyler,try murphy

[44444444455555555566666]

i wont waste my time i will keep simple " wipe the shit dripping down your chin you are an asshole you get your story straight.

[Unregistered47845]

whats grecco have to do with it he is the only guy that tries to do right. so go s.,,,k the chiefs d,ck ,guys like you are real hole's.

[RIC FLAIR]

The Vangaurds Always Win You Should Know That, Just Ask Popsey He'll Tell Ya Brother You Will Always Be Jealous. Keep Talking Trash And You Wont Be Invited To Hasemann's Victory Party. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered1111]

The Vangaurds Always Win You Should Know That, Just Ask Popsey He'll Tell Ya Brother You Will Always Be Jealous. Keep Talking Trash And You Wont Be Invited To Hasemann's Victory Party. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

You think youll win. Popsey would have never let it get this far. He would have set you assholes in line.

[Ric Flair]

Yeah your right pops would have never let it get this far ,George would have been shot a long time ago if he was still here. Dont you ever forget that jake will always be the 40 thieves so before you run your mouth about him you better be ready to fight. Thats all i have to say about thAT. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FIREKILLER]

got hit in the head to much ric flair what the f do you mean not me and why such vulgar words can you say anything with out cursing

[FIREKILLER]

as for members show up for the parade some are ashamed to and the rest thought the montauk parade was more important!!!!!!

[Unregistered121212]

Yeah your right pops would have never let it get this far ,George would have been shot a long time ago if he was still here. Dont you ever forget that jake will always be the 40 thieves so before you run your mouth about him you better be ready to fight. Thats all i have to say about thAT. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The thing that you have to realize is that no matter who was chief this would have happened because your all out of control. Take your punishment like men and be done with it, before your all gone. You probally dont even know who Uncle Jake is. Maybe you should think about what he would do before you run your mouth and make shit up. Wooooooooo!!!!!

[ric flair]

who the fuck is uncle jake you asshole. Like i said if your gonna talk about my popsey be ready to fight. And also how many vgs were at the patchogue parade and how many hq guys were there im quite sure its the same old story vangaurds carrying the dept again.. And there was quite a few hq guys out in montauk that sunday. You really should think before you write on here. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooo

[Unregistered000001]

I think there was more people from HQ out there vangards because there was only 3 Vgs out there.

[Unregistered6666666666666]

Now your picking on Grecco because he did what he thinks is rite.Because he knows its wong to close a firehouse.What if your house was on fire,and it took 5min longer to get there.You wounldnt be PISSED OFF because someone had closed the fire house? Lets think a little bit here....

[Unregistered121212]

Now your picking on Grecco because he did what he thinks is rite.Because he knows its wong to close a firehouse.What if your house was on fire,and it took 5min longer to get there.You wounldnt be PISSED OFF because someone had closed the fire house? Lets think a little bit here....

Maybe he will just resign cause its obvious he dosnt have the balls to do the right thing for the department, not just vanguards. The only one that seems to have the balls is the chief you all hate. Even when you go after his son and his friends. And the rec room was closed not the fd. Get your facts straight. Another VG lie.

[Unregistered6666666666666]

If you recroom is closed,that means there is noone there!!!!!! So its takes LONGER FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET OUT!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered6666666666]

1212??????

[Unregistered666666666]

121212 THAT WHY YOUR UP AT hQ BECAUSE YOU CANT THINK ON YOUR OWN.....

[Unregistered66666666666]

And 1 more thing 121212 if you dont think 5 min is along time you shouldnt be in the firedep. Because you know nothing!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered26]

Maybe he will just resign cause its obvious he dosnt have the balls to do the right thing for the department, not just vanguards. The only one that seems to have the balls is the chief you all hate. Even when you go after his son and his friends. And the rec room was closed not the fd. Get your facts straight. Another VG lie.

you need to get your facts straight, king george closed the entire vg house. if he only closed the rec room then we would have been able to take the trucks out for trainings on sunday like we do every weekend. the house was only for emergency response only. so not only did he slow the response time down for getting to an emergency, he denied the members who are not guilty the training that they preform on a weekly basis.

[Jack Sparrow]

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Long Live the VG!!!!!!!

[Unregisteredasshole]

The Vangaurds Always Win You Should Know That, Just Ask Popsey He'll Tell Ya Brother You Will Always Be Jealous. Keep Talking Trash And You Wont Be Invited To Hasemann's Victory Party. Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Let me ask all you dicks a question .........

Does John Hazeman have a huge cock or something ?
because you all seem to be sucking it !!!!

What the hell are y'all thinkin' standing up for him !!!! he is the biggest asshole
in the world-----just ask Bayport FD.

I am just going to continue to laugh ----- if you get rid of him and a couple other guys.....all the problems of Pfd will be gone !!!...its really very simple. if you refuse to understand this then you are absolute fucking complete idiots--

[Unregisteredasshole]

Now your picking on Grecco because he did what he thinks is rite.Because he knows its wong to close a firehouse.What if your house was on fire,and it took 5min longer to get there.You wounldnt be PISSED OFF because someone had closed the fire house? Lets think a little bit here....

You must be the biggest idiot of all time !!!!....you get the award....

Do you really think the residents feel safe knowing that a few completely drunk assholes are jumping on a firetruck to respond to a fire at their home ?....endangering the public ?....You should be thrown in Jail you fucking moron !!!!--------- Let the public know that a driver gets behind the wheel of a firetruck when he is smashed.....I'd like to see how that goes !!!! You are so smart that your brains are leaking out your asshole.

[Unregisteredasshole]

If you recroom is closed,that means there is noone there!!!!!! So its takes LONGER FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET OUT!!!!!!!!

Okay thats real smart----a bunch of fucking drunks getting on a firetruck because they are at the firehouse....thats intelligent you fucking idiot !!

id rather wait 5 minutes than have a pumper kill somebody------life first, property second

[Unregisteredasshole]

Okay thats real smart----a bunch of fucking drunks getting on a firetruck because they are at the firehouse....thats intelligent you fucking idiot !!

id rather wait 5 minutes than have a pumper kill somebody------life first, property second

Also.....when does it ever take patchogue 5 minutes to respond....last that I checked, pfd has the 3rd highest response times in NY !!

It takes donny about 1 minute to get to the truck when nobody is there.....so your theory is destroyed you fucking idiot !!!

[Unregisteredasshole]

you need to get your facts straight, king george closed the entire vg house. if he only closed the rec room then we would have been able to take the trucks out for trainings on sunday like we do every weekend. the house was only for emergency response only. so not only did he slow the response time down for getting to an emergency, he denied the members who are not guilty the training that they preform on a weekly basis.

You know that's Bullshit !!!.....fire response times are not affected by whether or not a bunch of drunk fucking idiots are getting on fire apparatus!!....because HQ is usually out within 1 minute anyway.

[Unregisteredasshole]

Yeah your right pops would have never let it get this far ,George would have been shot a long time ago if he was still here. Dont you ever forget that jake will always be the 40 thieves so before you run your mouth about him you better be ready to fight. Thats all i have to say about thAT. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Ric----whoever the fuck you are----one day you might find yourself wearing a pair of cement shoes...so shut the fuck up because you have absolutely no fucking idea of what you are talking about you fucking asshole !!!

Obviously you don't know popsey very well because if you did you would know why he left the team a few years ago--- Popsey quit coaching because he thought the young guys were total fuck-ups and he didn't want to deal with these assholes anymore !!!.....so before you continue to let your vagina speak----- get the right story and stop making shit up you moron !!!

[Unregistered767777777]

i guess you better close hq down then.who was the person who got a dwi leaving hq ASSHOLE

[Unregistered1111111111]

You must be the biggest idiot of all time !!!!....you get the award....

Do you really think the residents feel safe knowing that a few completely drunk assholes are jumping on a firetruck to respond to a fire at their home ?....endangering the public ?....You should be thrown in Jail you fucking moron !!!!--------- Let the public know that a driver gets behind the wheel of a firetruck when he is smashed.....I'd like to see how that goes !!!! You are so smart that your brains are leaking out your asshole.

Oh you should ask mike p about that. lets see hit and run with a fire truck and then wiped out the tower. you haven't been around as long as me so if you want more facts about shit that's gone on at HQ keep writing shit. i have no problem airing out dirty laundry. and its funny all this shit about driving trucks at VG and no accident . let me know if you want a real education on HQ.

[Unregisteredasshole]

Oh you should ask mike p about that. lets see hit and run with a fire truck and then wiped out the tower. you haven't been around as long as me so if you want more facts about shit that's gone on at HQ keep writing shit. i have no problem airing out dirty laundry. and its funny all this shit about driving trucks at VG and no accident . let me know if you want a real education on HQ.

If you have more than 27 years in this dept then you've got me beat dickhead---- you want fucking stories asshole----I'll bury you in a second---
No accidents with VG trucks -- It's pretty obvious that you weren't around for all the cover-ups ---YOU ARE A MORON !!! you definitely don't know what the fuck you are talking about hahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!----Go back to the hole you came out of----your ASSHOLE !!

[Unregistered1132123134]

Oh you should ask mike p about that. lets see hit and run with a fire truck and then wiped out the tower. you haven't been around as long as me so if you want more facts about shit that's gone on at HQ keep writing shit. i have no problem airing out dirty laundry. and its funny all this shit about driving trucks at VG and no accident . let me know if you want a real education on HQ.

Yea just like when ex-chief parris wipped out a telephone poll and got a dwi and hit and run. Another one of the great chiefs you assholes have had you fucking idiot. Maybe he should go to rehab with some of your other members. HA! Its ok all this will be over when hasemann gets thrown out in a couple. The rest of the assholes will follow once they realize there going to lose.

[Unregisteredasshole]

Yea just like when ex-chief parris wipped out a telephone poll and got a dwi and hit and run. Another one of the great chiefs you assholes have had you fucking idiot. Maybe he should go to rehab with some of your other members. HA! Its ok all this will be over when hasemann gets thrown out in a couple. The rest of the assholes will follow once they realize there going to lose.

That asshole was so drunk that he hit the pole twice and left his license plate on the ground for P.D. to find------Oh and I guess his cop brother got him out of that one------let's talk about the pot calling the kettle black

[Unregisteredasshole]

Oh you should ask mike p about that. lets see hit and run with a fire truck and then wiped out the tower. you haven't been around as long as me so if you want more facts about shit that's gone on at HQ keep writing shit. i have no problem airing out dirty laundry. and its funny all this shit about driving trucks at VG and no accident . let me know if you want a real education on HQ.

Hey asshole---------

Lets talk about more recent when john hasmann backed 5-19-2 into the wall of the firehouse-----i was there fucko and saw the whole thing---he was inibriated and returning from an alarm and thought the whole damn thing was hilarious ----this was 2years ago.

[Unregisteredasshole]

Hey asshole---------

Lets talk about more recent when john hasmann backed 5-19-2 into the wall of the firehouse-----i was there fucko and saw the whole thing---he was inibriated and returning from an alarm and thought the whole damn thing was hilarious ----this was 2years ago.

oh and i forgot to mention---there were two captains that witnessed this and covered it up---one VG capt and one H+L capt.

[Unregistered2332]

oh and i forgot to mention---there were two captains that witnessed this and covered it up---one VG capt and one H+L capt.

If all you assholes would stop trying to turn everything around this would all be over. And not manipulate the rules like Lt. parris with his bullshit and Deuche Bag Danny Glenn.

[Unregistered4565656767]

Yea just like when ex-chief parris wiped out a telephone poll and got a dwi and hit and run. Another one of the great chiefs you assholes have had you fucking idiot. Maybe he should go to rehab with some of your other members. HA! Its ok all this will be over when hasemann gets thrown out in a couple. The rest of the assholes will follow once they realize there going to lose.

when Jon hit the pole on roe ave he was not at the fire house that night and it was not a department vehicle. So you want to play, know what your talking about or shut up. If your going to bring up stories get the facts because Jon never got a DWI in his life . And Jon H is an asshole and he did bring the racing team down Ill give you that, but get rid of him right not some bull shit charge. Should of got him out when he stole the beer out of the chiefs car out east, not some bullshit charge that has more holes in it then the chiefs fucking head.

[Sick Rick]

If you have more than 27 years in this dept then you've got me beat dickhead---- you want fucking stories asshole----I'll bury you in a second---
No accidents with VG trucks -- It's pretty obvious that you weren't around for all the cover-ups ---YOU ARE A MORON !!! you definitely don't know what the fuck you are talking about hahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!----Go back to the hole you came out of----your ASSHOLE !!


Dear Mr "unregisteredasshole":


I just have one question for you:










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Stop cursing at us man....you're ruining our mojo.....

[Unregisteredasshole]

when Jon hit the pole on roe ave he was not at the fire house that night and it was not a department vehicle. So you want to play, know what your talking about or shut up. If your going to bring up stories get the facts because Jon never got a DWI in his life . And Jon H is an asshole and he did bring the racing team down Ill give you that, but get rid of him right not some bull shit charge. Should of got him out when he stole the beer out of the chiefs car out east, not some bullshit charge that has more holes in it then the chiefs fucking head.

Yea because his cop brother got him out of it------duhhhhhh

[tacc]

Hey Ric----whoever the fuck you are----one day you might find yourself wearing a pair of cement shoes...so shut the fuck up because you have absolutely no fucking idea of what you are talking about you fucking asshole !!!

Obviously you don't know popsey very well because if you did you would know why he left the team a few years ago--- Popsey quit coaching because he thought the young guys were total fuck-ups and he didn't want to deal with these assholes anymore !!!.....so before you continue to let your vagina speak----- get the right story and stop making shit up you moron !!!

Okay lets set you strait right now. Pops did not leave the drill team for that reason at all, couldnt be further off.So you obviously you dont know him or anything about the drill team. I was there for his last years of racing and i was there the day he quit. But thats family business so i dont need to explain that to you. You make alot of threats and talk alot of shit but you dont sign your name,I think your a coward. This message board is stupid and is causing unnecessary tension. I know that it is just a few idiots from HQ that are talking on here, stirring shit and giving the dept and the rest of the good guys up there a bad name. And the VGs are not innocent either so guys stop writing back and feeding in to this rediculous bullshit. How stupid could you be airing your dirty laundry for everybody to see we look stupid. Hopefuly we will all get through this year and the commissoners will make the right decisions. I realy think things will be better when Mike is chief he will get us turned around, atleast I hope.

Jon Robertaccio

[Anonymous VG Member]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

[Unregisteredasshole]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

I can't dispute what you have written--I apologize---that made more sense than anything------you and Matt C should write a book together you are the only ones to make any sense on this forum this will be my last post --i am finished name callingand cursing I apologize to anyone that i have offended.

[Anonymous VG Member]

Thank you, i am glad that at least one person understands what I am saying. This department has to work together instead of against each other.

and that is the TRUTH.

One department.

[Unregistered1]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

Whoever wrote this, he is absolutely right. I have a new found respect for an "anonymous VG member". If only the entire department thought like this it would be a more productive department.

[Common sense @ VG?]

Whoever wrote this, he is absolutely right. I have a new found respect for an "anonymous VG member". If only the entire department thought like this it would be a more productive department.

Unfortunately, many FD's on LI have problems like this one. Ones who worry about parties, racing and other important social affairs.

Seems "Anyonymous VG Member" is guilty of using common sense. Guilty of putting the communities needs first by (gasp!) suggesting that the whole dept drill with each other, making for effective fireground operations, which in turn benefits the members.

But rocking the boat upsets people. Especially that party boat. Watch where you tread.

Good luck. I'll go into a job with a guy like him anytime.

[REverend VGAL]

No Justice!.......................no Peace!

[Herk]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

Thank you, i am glad that at least one person understands what I am saying. This department has to work together instead of against each other.

and that is the TRUTH.

One department.You did good.I hope this stops the senseless name calling.

[Unregistereduu]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

In order for it to work every member has to be treated the same. Someone should be treated different because some people don't like them. If everyone was treated the same I don't think it would have come to this.But what you wrote is a fact to.So the trick is how do you have it were everyone is treated the same.

[Anonymous VG Member]

In order for it to work every member has to be treated the same. Someone should be treated different because some people don't like them. If everyone was treated the same I don't think it would have come to this.But what you wrote is a fact to.So the trick is how do you have it were everyone is treated the same.

Well, I think this department has to start by taking small steps in the right direction at first. Of course everyone isn't going to be treated the same. That isn't how our country is nor the world in general. Don't get me wrong it would be a great world if this was the case but in my opinion there will never be equality. It's against human nature to be equal. I feel that a step in the right direction would be to just show everyone a certain level of respect, whether you like the person or not. Whether you've been in the department for 30+ years or are a probationary member. If everyone stepped back and thought of the phrase "you receive respect by giving it", their would be less arguments. I have not been in this department for a long time but I hear stories upon stories of "why I shouldn't back this person up", or "he did this, and she did that". Everyone seems to forget that this is a BROTHERHOOD. We should be able to trust one another because when push comes to shove we are all the same. We are expected by the community to do this when we took an oath to protect to act in a professional manner, to possibly save someones property and possibly someones life. That's why we are all here is it not? :-)

I know that this doesn't answer your question pertaining to "How do we have it so everyone is treated the same", but to be honest with you I don't have a a good answer. I'm just someone who has stepped back and looked at the overall picture of what is going on in this department trying to look from everyones point of view on certain situations. I am simply stating steps that I feel should be taken in order to reach the point of "equality". I feel that as a Vanguard I am treated just as equal as everyone else in the department. I don't care if people think otherwise I am just stating that for the three years I have been in this department their has not been one instance where I have felt disrespected by another member of our department. I have no enemies and I try to show everyone the same level of respect. Whether your an officer, a regular member, a probationary member or a future member of the department (Explorers). If we start to preach the younger generation of firefighters the true meaning behind the word "respect" possibly we will have a department with more stability in the future. Example: Instead of preaching to the younger generation the problems of other companies and exploiting our weaknesses we should be telling them ways of making it better for their future. This does not mean singling certain members out and telling them that this member is no good for the department because he/she did this, or said that. (I am not trying to single anyone out, If you feel as if I am talking about you I apologize.) Again, feel free to discriminate/quote on my post. I am simply stating my opinions, trying to do it in the post positive way I can. (Which unfortunately is not easy to accomplish.)

- Anonymous VG Member

[FIREKILLER]

:) Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

[FIREKILLER]

:)I'm a lt up street and think its time we stop all yhis and do the right thing a get back to firefighting and not figthing, we must all stick togeather and watch everones back so that we can do our jobs. If we spent more time on traing and getting along rather than making ourselfs look bad to others we would all look and feel better so what do you think CAN WE DO THIS OR WHAT. Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

[sotrue...]

Well, I think this department has to start by taking small steps in the right direction at first. Of course everyone isn't going to be treated the same. That isn't how our country is nor the world in general. Don't get me wrong it would be a great world if this was the case but in my opinion there will never be equality. It's against human nature to be equal. I feel that a step in the right direction would be to just show everyone a certain level of respect, whether you like the person or not. Whether you've been in the department for 30+ years or are a probationary member. If everyone stepped back and thought of the phrase "you receive respect by giving it", their would be less arguments. I have not been in this department for a long time but I hear stories upon stories of "why I shouldn't back this person up", or "he did this, and she did that". Everyone seems to forget that this is a BROTHERHOOD. We should be able to trust one another because when push comes to shove we are all the same. We are expected by the community to do this when we took an oath to protect to act in a professional manner, to possibly save someones property and possibly someones life. That's why we are all here is it not? :-)

I know that this doesn't answer your question pertaining to "How do we have it so everyone is treated the same", but to be honest with you I don't have a a good answer. I'm just someone who has stepped back and looked at the overall picture of what is going on in this department trying to look from everyones point of view on certain situations. I am simply stating steps that I feel should be taken in order to reach the point of "equality". I feel that as a Vanguard I am treated just as equal as everyone else in the department. I don't care if people think otherwise I am just stating that for the three years I have been in this department their has not been one instance where I have felt disrespected by another member of our department. I have no enemies and I try to show everyone the same level of respect. Whether your an officer, a regular member, a probationary member or a future member of the department (Explorers). If we start to preach the younger generation of firefighters the true meaning behind the word "respect" possibly we will have a department with more stability in the future. Example: Instead of preaching to the younger generation the problems of other companies and exploiting our weaknesses we should be telling them ways of making it better for their future. This does not mean singling certain members out and telling them that this member is no good for the department because he/she did this, or said that. (I am not trying to single anyone out, If you feel as if I am talking about you I apologize.) Again, feel free to discriminate/quote on my post. I am simply stating my opinions, trying to do it in the post positive way I can. (Which unfortunately is not easy to accomplish.)

- Anonymous VG Member

Not to give you a big head, but having personal experience trying to bring a department together through tough times and be a mediator and bad guy at the same time. I'll tell you, you hit the mark dead on, not just for Patch or VG, the same all over the Island. Hope you become Chief or Commissioner someday, you will do very well. Good for you!

[Unregistered67864]

Your making the department look even worse then it is by bringing up old things. Other departments are laughing at us because of how stupid we are making ourselves look. You make statements that you want the fighting to stop and preach about reunification of the department to how it "used to be", but no one here seems to be making any better of the situations at hand. Stop blaming each other for stupid things. Sure there has been times where I thought my company could of acted in a more professional manner, but I also think that other companies in this department have acted unprofessionally also. I will not write about certain instances to which I am referring to "acting unprofessional" but everyone needs to realize that it's not just one company who is making the department look like this, its a combination of all of them. Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole. One thing that I think the department would benefit from is having department meeting once a month, as we should be. It will give people a chance to state their opinions on a department level instead of posting childish messages over the internet for everyone to read. The companies could also organize training together on Sundays instead of going out on our own paths for company training. Sure we do have department drills but these drills don't come around as often as they should. If we could organize smaller drills for the people who actually want to better themselves as a firefighter as I do, that would be one step closer to unifying the department. Even if that means four or five members from each company show up. I know that there are at least 4-5 members down at Vanguards who wouldn't vote against such a thing. We should also have a drill that gives us members down at Vanguards a chance to go over every truck at HQ's to get accustomed to where tools are and how the truck works in operation. Sure we could always go up there on our free time and go over the truck but I think it would be more beneficial if we did it more on a department level. HQ members should also come down to Vanguards and look over our trucks. I'm sure my captain & lieutenants wouldn't mind showing anyone where the tools are located on 5-19-2, and 5. I was up at headquarters the other day talking to a member from Engine company and I was told that he felt unwanted and awkward coming down to Vanguards or even getting on a Vanguard truck. This coming from a member who hasn't been in the department for two years! Is it just me or is something wrong when a member who is presumably "new" to the department makes a statement like that? I myself have no problem hanging out up at headquarters nor do I have a problem gearing up on a headquarters truck with a red helmet. I just wish that I knew where the tools on the trucks were so I don't have to stop and ask the driver of the truck. Feel free to discriminate on my post, but I feel like these are things that would make our department a more positive place to be.


-Anonymous VG Member

What about the damage that was done to the VG in the past couple month to certian memembers and the VG it self. Are you saying lay down and give in to the abuse.What you wrote should of been to the Chief it was him who started all this, let us not forget.

[Unregistered742]

:)I'm a lt up street and think its time we stop all yhis and do the right thing a get back to firefighting and not figthing, we must all stick togeather and watch everones back so that we can do our jobs. If we spent more time on traing and getting along rather than making ourselfs look bad to others we would all look and feel better so what do you think CAN WE DO THIS OR WHAT.

It shouldn't be to hard to figure out who you are. You can't spell, type or even put a rational sentence together.

[Anonymous VG Member]

What about the damage that was done to the VG in the past couple month to certian memembers and the VG it self. Are you saying lay down and give in to the abuse.What you wrote should of been to the Chief it was him who started all this, let us not forget.

I wrote that so people from ALL companies in this department would stop bringing up old stuff on a message board for the entire community to read. If you go through every single post in this thread you will see how stupid and childish everyone looks. None of the post were beneficial to making the department a better place. Regarding me posting that message to the chief; I'm sure he's already read it. If he feels that I made good points and agrees with some of my opinions on how this department can become better as a whole, maybe he'll do something along the lines of my proposals. That post had nothing to do with the "damage" done to the VG and to certain members at VG. If you read it more thoroughly it stated: "Instead of writing negative things about each others companies why don't you members propose ideas of how things can be resolved to better the department as a whole." That was the entire reason for that post. It had nothing to do with how peoples feelings were on specific companies, and if you may have read my following post I also stated: "Everyone seems to forget that this is a BROTHERHOOD. We should be able to trust one another because when push comes to shove we are all the same. We are expected by the community to do this when we took an oath to protect and to act in a professional manner, to possibly save someones property, and possibly someones life. That's why we are all here is it not?"

- Anonymous VG Member

[Unregistered43533]

What about the damage that was done to the VG in the past couple month to certian memembers and the VG it self. Are you saying lay down and give in to the abuse.What you wrote should of been to the Chief it was him who started all this, let us not forget.

What about the damage that was done to HQ and the Department. Thats the problem here your still thinking in terms of Vgs and Hqs instead of the department. What has happened is over and done with. Abuse, you make it like the chief is out for all of you. Its not going to change when george get out. It the members as a whole that are fed up of bullshit and want a select few gone. Me being a Hqs guy I have no problem with most of the Vgs. Lt. Grecco is doing great and it looks like Capt ida is working hard. If the Lt. Parris would stop crying and the few memebers that have been suspended would just take there licks this would all be over with. People have been thrown out for alot less in this department and if everyone would just stop taking everthing so personally we would be fine. If we spent more effort on firefighting and less on by law misprints and lawyers we would be the best fd in the county. Everyone needs to just settle down take there licks and do whats right for the department and not there company or the racing team.

[Unregistered26]

What about the damage that was done to HQ and the Department. Thats the problem here your still thinking in terms of Vgs and Hqs instead of the department. What has happened is over and done with. Abuse, you make it like the chief is out for all of you. Its not going to change when george get out. It the members as a whole that are fed up of bullshit and want a select few gone. Me being a Hqs guy I have no problem with most of the Vgs. Lt. Grecco is doing great and it looks like Capt ida is working hard. If the Lt. Parris would stop crying and the few memebers that have been suspended would just take there licks this would all be over with. People have been thrown out for alot less in this department and if everyone would just stop taking everthing so personally we would be fine. If we spent more effort on firefighting and less on by law misprints and lawyers we would be the best fd in the county. Everyone needs to just settle down take there licks and do whats right for the department and not there company or the racing team.
the few suspended van guard members should take their licks. that is pretty ironic of you to say, because when it was time for george to take his licks 12 years ago all he did was turn around and sue the department. i guess that it's okay in your book being from hq. maybe if he would have been a man about it and took his licks he would actually be able to lead by example. since he couldn't do that then, now you have the mess that were in now. what a graet example our chief sets for this department.

[Unregistered45395]

the few suspended van guard members should take their licks. that is pretty ironic of you to say, because when it was time for george to take his licks 12 years ago all he did was turn around and sue the department. i guess that it's okay in your book being from hq. maybe if he would have been a man about it and took his licks he would actually be able to lead by example. since he couldn't do that then, now you have the mess that were in now. what a graet example our chief sets for this department.

Have we not established that we were trying not to air our laundry. You keep bringing up shit in the past. Were trying not to do that as one of your own members stated. Were trying to improve our department not give it a bad name. What are you going to do When george gets out. Mikes gonna be the same. You going to dig up his past to.

[Unregistered454]

Have we not established that we were trying not to air our laundry. You keep bringing up shit in the past. Were trying not to do that as one of your own members stated. Were trying to improve our department not give it a bad name. What are you going to do When george gets out. Mikes gonna be the same. You going to dig up his past to.

Yeah theres enough dirt down there to bury most of your members. You all need to grow up. Because if you want to start making new rules and acting on things in the past your stupid. Lets have a drug and backround check for every member. Bet the vanguards lose a few. Bring it up in your meetings hq. Backround and drug tests for all members.

[Unregistered55443345]

Yeah theres enough dirt down there to bury most of your members. You all need to grow up. Because if you want to start making new rules and acting on things in the past your stupid. Lets have a drug and backround check for every member. Bet the vanguards lose a few. Bring it up in your meetings hq. Backround and drug tests for all members.

Are you nuts look around up street before you make a comment like that.

[FIREKILLER]

now you see, this is what i'm talking about you just don't get it all you want to do is bash everyone on this board you my friend are an assssssssss holeeeeeeeeeee. grow up you bitter person.

[Unregistered4521254]

Wasn't it nice that a person posted a confidential letter on the board at HQ and circled someones name on it and wrote "don't vote for him as chief" on the board. Gee who could that be. Someone who knows he can get away with anything. Come on commiss's do something!!!!!!!!!!11

[Unregistered676767]

Wasn't it nice that a person posted a confidential letter on the board at HQ and circled someones name on it and wrote "don't vote for him as chief" on the board. Gee who could that be. Someone who knows he can get away with anything. Come on commiss's do something!!!!!!!!!!11

Ida will never get in. Neither will any Vg for a long time till they get rid out there own asshole members like hasemann.

[2338484476747484]

Like it was stated before, You will not be invited to Hasemann's victory party!!!!!

[Unregisteredllll]

Ida will never get in. Neither will any Vg for a long time till they get rid out there own asshole members like hasemann.

Nice, You wonder why it's always a pissing contest between HQ and VG . Because you don't like Jon it does not mean you should get rid of him for something that does not call for being kicked out. Give Jon, a chance and he will do something to be kicked out for and deserve it. And yes I'am a VG and I do not like Jon one bit, but let the punishment fit the crime. So for the good of the department, think before you write dum shit like what you wrote.

[Coram Firefighter]

Call Coram they will fix it

[Eng Co.]

It's time that we all open our eyes. With out going into who is right or wrong between HeadQuarters or the Van Guards. The fact is the Chief is over stepping his bounds, and is acting in a very unprofessional manner. We as A group of men and women have to say enough is enough. The other Chiefs and the commissioner's have to get a hold of the Chief and explain to him his job is to try and keep us all together, not that I'm saying I know what he is thinking but all this could of been handled more on A professional level. I'm also very surprised by the Commissioner's. I personally know everyone of them and I'm surprised they haven't roped in the Chief yet. I'm not saying he has to go but he has to re-evaluate what being the Chief of a great department means's, seem to me he might not care what's going to happen to the department or what kind of state we are in when he gets out. Hey I here what some of the guys are saying about this person but If you can't stand up and voice your opinion when it counts were does that leave us. Lets all try and do our part and get things back on the right track.

[I Love bid red trucksssss]

North Patchogue is handing out transfer papers by the forklift...

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[asssss]

dont you mean big...dumbass


North Patchogue is handing out transfer papers by the forklift...

I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department I hate the patchogue fire department

[UnregisteredLOL]

If you recroom is closed,that means there is noone there!!!!!! So its takes LONGER FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET OUT!!!!!!!!


YEAH!!! IM GOIN NUTS CANT WATCH MY HDTV!!!

[Unregistered7y8t65df]

Well I turned around and I said oh, oh oh
Well I turned around and I said oh, oh oh
Well I turned around and I said ho, ho
And the northern lights commenced to glow
And she said, with a tear in her eye
Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow
Watch out where the huskies go, and don't you eat that yellow snow

[Unregistered000998787]

dont you mean big...dumbass

get a life

[Unregisteredhaha]

When and what time is the Victory Party?

[Unregistered1132123134]

When and what time is the Victory Party?

Only a few assholes left. 1 down a few to go.

[Still having a party]

Only a few assholes left. 1 down a few to go.

Yup...only 1 Chief and 3 Commissioners to go.....

[Unregisteredstill]

Of course you didn't complain when 3 VG supporting Commisioners allowed a VG Captain who ASSAULTED a Chief to attend "anger management" classes instead of throwing his ass out. And you wonder why he can't win a Chief's election?
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid (beer) and wake up.

[iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

Of course you didn't complain when 3 VG supporting Commisioners allowed a VG Captain who ASSAULTED a Chief to attend "anger management" classes instead of throwing his ass out. And you wonder why he can't win a Chief's election?
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid (beer) and wake up.

Tell me who you are and I'll show you what an assaut is asshole.

[OH MY GOD ARE WE STUIPID]

Away we go again, When are we going to learn you can't dump people out of the F.D because you don't like them or treat people different because of there name. Someone start writing the check to asshole Jon , because our Lawyer is a asshole. Case file on arbitrators decision being denied is not a winning ball game . SORRY WE DID IT AGAIN give away the tax payers money again . Should of just waited and we could of ex-spelled him with real charges that can not be disputed. Don't think for one minute were going to get away from this because some School District by - passed an arbitrator's decision . Different case and different and issues. We all better wake up smell the coffee because were all gonna stink again.

[UnregisteredOhMy]

Of course you didn't complain when 3 VG supporting Commisioners allowed a VG Captain who ASSAULTED a Chief to attend "anger management" classes instead of throwing his ass out. And you wonder why he can't win a Chief's election?
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid (beer) and wake up.



After the captain did six months of "anger management" the chief later said that he did not get assaulted.

[UnregisteredStop Please]

Enough already with this crap CLOSE the Vanguards Hose CO.

[Unregisteredi499u49]

Nice, You wonder why it's always a pissing contest between HQ and VG . Because you don't like Jon it does not mean you should get rid of him for something that does not call for being kicked out. Give Jon, a chance and he will do something to be kicked out for and deserve it. And yes I'am a VG and I do not like Jon one bit, but let the punishment fit the crime. So for the good of the department, think before you write dum shit like what you wrote.

[Unre]

After the captain did six months of "anger management" the chief later said that he did not get assaulted.

bull shit, he went after the chief everyone standing outside that night including me a N.Patchogue fire fighter saw the whole thing. So stop trying to deny it idiots. And if you guys want to stop looking like idiots you should stop writing on these boards and let this thread get thrown out.

[brig-chaser78]

This is what I like about Chiefs and Commisinors, some are good, but most are not worth anything. The Firemen respond when called and come to the aid of who ever when ever. The place their lives on the line, some put the fire house before their family . Then some less then bright Commisnor or Chief does something like this and the firemen stop responding. Good job Patchouge Fire Dept. , good thinking

[Tornado]

"Those who are not leaders want to control everybody, denying thought, denying reason."

[Dandemis Unregistered]

Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.
- Dandemis

[Unregistered Why Stop Now]

Enough already with this crap CLOSE the Vanguards Hose CO.

The solution is simple C L O S E Vanguards Hose Co. and end this issue and this thread.

[UnregisteredHQbitches]

The solution is simple C L O S E Vanguards Hose Co. and end this issue and this thread.

The solution is simple F U C K Your Mother, and end this issue and this thread.

[Unregistered123456789]

bull shit, he went after the chief everyone standing outside that night including me a N.Patchogue fire fighter saw the whole thing. So stop trying to deny it idiots. And if you guys want to stop looking like idiots you should stop writing on these boards and let this thread get thrown out.

Your not a N. Patchogue Fireman, if you were, you would be smarter than getting involved here with this stupid BS!

[Unregistered3218749230]

God you are just as bad as the patmed school district and the pat. village site. You guys are your worst enemies. All you do is all talk trash!

[Please End This]

Please just close Vanguards and let's move on.

[Unregisteredddddddd]

Please just close Vanguards and let's move on.

No, Just close down George and everything be good.

[Unregisteredfdasfds]

Vanguard Hose Company is not going anywhere people, sorry to break the news to you..... fucking idiots.

[Unregistereddjbdtvsj]

So does anyone know what's going on with Jon Robertaccio?

[Engine 1]

you want to know what's going on with little tacc? Bullshit, let him back and free johnny tacc!!

[UnregisteredSouthPatch]

I so want to understand what the hell is going on in this thread, but that would require cliff notes.

Since I live in South Patchogue:

Is VG open or closed? I hope open (purely for the fact that if I needed help I would want a firehouse near me)

Is the big fire house behind town in the village, is that HQ?

Even though I can not understand 1/2 of the stuff that is written: Are fire fighters "allowed" to consume alcohol and go out to fight a fire? Hope not, but what is the problem with having a party, were some people not invited? and on a side note if firefighters are people that the public depends on to use good judgement, why are so many fighting? Getting DWI's?

Seeing this thread is saddening. I thought firefighters were moral, upstanding men who did this thankless job b.c they cared. But, it is all about politics.

Back to fighting and hope that someone will ans. me

[Unregisteredxyz]

cmon are you kidding?

[Unregisteredvvvvvvvvvv]

So does anyone know what's going on with Jon Robertaccio?

I know in his hearing the chiefs witness ( village clown)didn't know who jon r was . but he described another member who was there as being the one who was confronting the asshole chief . but the other members farther dose a bunch for the chief and department, need i say more.

[Unregisteredmmmnbnnllrrr]

The Power Paradox
True power requires modesty and empathy, not force and coercion, argues Dacher Keltner. But what people want from leaders—social intelligence—is what is damaged by the experience of power.

It is much safer to be feared than loved, writes Niccolò Machiavelli in The Prince, his classic 16th-century treatise advocating manipulation and occasional cruelty as the best means to power.
__________________________________________________ ______________ Wow, Do I have to put a name to who should read this (maybe a Chief) Because it seems to me he live by the second quote should live by the first quote.

[Unregisteredoopi]

Bob smith for Chief

[H-L]

Yeah.. but before he goes in, the district needs to subscribe to that AARP magazine, they need to stock the Chiefs car glove box with Geritol, and get one of those buttons for around his neck, you know.... "I've fallen and I can't get up"....cause that bitch is old!

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