The hypocritical and shameless Republicans!

[Nattydread]

Arnold admitted to groping and fondling women without thr consent.
Groping women is a crime! We see this type of conduct from drunken teenage boys who often end up in deep trouble for thr actions.

ARNOLD IS A MARRIED ADULT! And probably avoided jail time because of his money and influence. And this is the guy ?Repugs? put on a pedestal?


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[Yonivore]

Actually, Alot of Republicans and most Libertarians (on a national level) are not that enamoured with Arnold.

What I find hypocritical and shamless is the Demoncrats that fail to see the irony of themselves convicting him of the very allegations they defended President Clinton against.

I also find it ironic that Arnold (I refuse to butcher his last name) immediately admitted to his transgressions and apologized to those offended. (By the way, contrary to your inference, no crime is alleged - - sexual harrassment is a civil matter). President Clinton, on the other hand, denied the allegations and hired private investigators (through his "bimbo eruptions" committee) to assassinate the characters of those that accused him.

Personally, I could care less. Kalifornia deserves whatever they get next Tuesday. Do I find his behavior disturbing? Yes. But, I also find it admirable that he stood in front of the mics today and admitted improprieties, apologized, and vowed to be an advocate for women. Clinton only vowed to be an advocate for women.

Clinton also vowed to be the most ethical administration in history. And the most diverse. Miserable failure on both accounts. One could argue that his private proclivities for interns (Even consensual relationships between bosses and subordinates were considered a most agregious form of sexual harrassment by N.O.W. standards - - who were suspiciously mum on the incident), demonstrate a similar failure on women's issues.

I guess the voters have to judge whether a financial morass, promised by continued governance of the Demoncratic party, or a potential "masher," apparently contrite, in the governor's mansion is what they want. Not a decision I relish. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Nattydread]

You can impeach him but you could not send him to prison for consensual sex!

Lewinsky was not raped by Bill Clinton..what Arnold did was one step away from rape!

And what Arnold did deserves prison time..because it was not consensual! If not for his money and influence he might still be in jail today.

But you have been consistent if nothing else..defend your cause ..no matter-what!
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"You can impeach him but you could not send him to prison for consensual sex!"
Only because the Senate was too chicken @#%$ to convict.
Quote:"Lewinsky was not raped by Bill Clinton..what Arnold did was one step away from rape!"
You're right. But, Juanita Brodderick, Paula Jones, and Kathleen Willey made the same allegations against Clinton. He settled with Jones. Sound's guilty to me. Also, Brodderick and Willey made allegations that were much worse than what has been said against Arnold.
Quote:"And what Arnold did deserves prison time..because it was not consensual! If not for his money and influence he might still be in jail today."
So did Clinton. If not for the "Bimbo Eruptions" and the private investigators that engaged in the character assassinations of the Clinton victims, he would be in jail too.
Quote:"But you have been consistent if nothing else..defend your cause ..no matter-what!"
What cause do you believe that to be? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Nattydread]

Thats what a hypocrite is! You have done a marvelous job of proving my point!

Run around like a chiken who just lost his head because of Bill Clinton's situation....because for Republicans the WORLD WAS COMING TO AN END because Clinton had sex!

But look the other way when it comes to your candidate actions! Classic...I love it!
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[The Truth Hurts]

So, nattydread,

What you are saying is that Arnold and Bill should be sharing a cell together?

I am certain that, since you are so against hypocrisy, that you are outraged that Clinton got away with what he was accused of doing to Jones, Broderrick, and Willey. You would want him to be jailed for that, right?
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[Yonivore]

nattydread:

It had nothing to do with sex. I don't care how often you Demoncrats say it, it ain't true.

It was about a President fighting against Constitutional principles, ripping the rule of law asunder, and evading responsibility for actions for which, elsewhere in society, real people were suffering real consequences.

Keep saying it was about sex if you like. The fact remains, President Clinton commited a crime. A crime for which other people, similarly situated, were (and are) serving prison sentences. Period. To purposely set out to use the powers of his office to evade accountability is the worst kind of tyranny. To involve his supporters, through the demonization of his accusers and the destruction of his victim's characters is the worst violation of trust.

I find the allegations about Arnold enegger similary disturbing. And, if true, I consider them a moral failure on the magnitude of what President Clinton was accused. What is different, however, is that he is owning up to his failing, he is apologizing to those he offended, he isn't hiding behind the deliberate torture of the English language by asking people to consider what the meaning of "is" is.

There have been NO criminal charges filed against enegger. There has been no investigation of the allegations beyond them bng exposed in the media at the 11th hour of an election process. Four of the six women, making allegations, won't even allow themselves to be identified, but YOU are ready to convict Arnold of some hnous crime already.

It's not hypocracy to demand the impeachment, conviction, ouster, and prosecution of Bill Clinton for the CRIMES he committed in office (crimes that tear at the very principles of "the rule of law" and "no one bng above the law.") while waiting for the outcome of the enegger affair before passing judgement.

I didn't call for Clinton's resignation until he started evading the truth and violating the public trust.

I didn't call for his impeachment until the case for impeachment was made.

I didn't call for his conviction until he had been impeached.

I didn't call for his criminal prosecution until the Legislative process failed the people.

And, I didn't get everything I called for. Oh well.

Demoncrats are so want of a Republican Scandal that they are ready to abandon all reason and rationality in order to jump from allegation to condemnation without the requisite validation process. And, if you argue that this is exactly what Clinton's detractors did to him, aren't you no better? Aren't you, similarly, hypocritical?

It's okay to believe Arnold is guilty of what he is accused. Just as it was okay to believe Bill Clinton was guilty of what he was accused. The difference is in what remedies you demand based on what information you have. In that, I believe I, for one, have been consistent.

Clinton apologists, on the other hand, have not. They still defend his crimes and his abuse of women even as they are ready to throw Arnold enegger to the wolves simply because it advances a political objective.

That, my incompetent adversary, is hypocracy.

Edited by: Yonivore at: 10/3/03 10:54 am

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[Billybob]

My god, you have a really distorted view of those events (in my humble opinion).

Exactly WHAT did Bill Clinton do that hurt anybody? You're holding up this TECHNICALITY as an important moral law. Bill Clinton was the subject of a witch hunt. Ken Starr, as many many witnesses have attested, was hired for the exclusive purpose of digging up dirt on the Clintons. Susan McDougal went to prison because she refused to say anything bad about the Clintons. In her book, she explains how Ken Starr wasn't even investigating a crime, he was digging for dirt, and she was severely punished when she didn't give them what they wanted. As if there were anything to give in the first place. She went to a MAXIMUM security prison for that (in solitary confinement, very often), and every time she began the appeal process, which would have released her, Ken Starr had her moved to ANOTHER prison where she'd have to start the paperwork all over again. If that's not an injustice, I don't know what is.

But how can you compare that situation, to the horror of George W. Bush? Not one single claim about Iraq, Afghanistan, etc has proven true. His Clear Skies Initiative does exact OPPOSITE of what the name implies, and the No Child Left Behind BS actually has resulted in MORE children bng left behind. What we have is an Orwellian nightmare, where words are bng altered to manipulate people's perceptions of what's going on. "Terrorist", "WMD", "Patriot Act", etc. And people are buying into the notion that somehow "liberating" Iraq is different from "invading" it. A rose by any other name...

Why do you believe the Democrats are just trying to dig up dirt for partisan mud-slinging? That's EXACTLY what the Republicans did to Clinton, AND the anti-war movement. Republicans struck at democrats in Texas who were trying to block that illegal redistricting plan. Those representatives who fled were hounded by homeland security forces (!!!), and thr families were placed under survllance. Scott Ritter, the UN weapons inspector was attacked after he started criticizing the Bush Administration's policies toward Iraq. Michael Moore, for god's sake, was hounded for speaking the TRUTH at the Oscars. There are countless examples of this, even personal ones, where people have called ME a communist for pointing out some of the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of the Bush administration.

Do you really believe the democrats are doing as much?

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[Billybob]

New Bush Scandal: Top Republican Donors Reap Billions from Bush's Iraq War
Douglas Jehl
New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2003/09/3...0LOBB.html
Posted 9/30/2003 8:48:00 PM

September 30, 2003, Summary: President George Bush and his staff must face the public over the shocking allegation that top Bush campaign donors are directly profiting from Bush's unilateral invasion and occupation of Iraq. We're not talking mere millions of dollars, but tens of BILLIONS of dollars of US taxpayer money ...



Washington Insiders' New Firm Consults on Contracts in Iraq

Washington, DC - A group of businessmen linked by thr close ties to President Bush, his family and his administration have set up a consulting firm to advise companies that want to do business in Iraq, including those seeking pieces of taxpayer-financed reconstruction projects.

The firm, New Bridge Strategies, is headed by Joe M. Allbaugh, Mr. Bush's campaign manager in 2000 and the director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency until March. Other directors include Edward M. Rogers Jr., vice chairman, and Lanny Griffith, lobbyists who were assistants to the first President George Bush and now have close ties to the White House.

At a time when the administration seeks Congressional approval for $20.3 billion to rebuild Iraq, part of an $87 billion package for military and other spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, the company's Web site, www.newbridgestrategies.com, says, "The opportunities evolving in Iraq today are of such an unprecedented nature and scope that no other existing firm has the necessary skills and experience to be effective both in Washington, D.C., and on the ground in Iraq."

The site calls attention to the links between the company's directors and the two Bush administrations by noting, for example, that Mr. Allbaugh, the chairman, was "chief of staff to then-Gov. Bush of Texas and was the national campaign manager for the Bush-Cheney 2000 presidential campaign."

The president of the company, John Howland, said in a telephone interview that it did not intend to seek any United States government contracts itself, but might be a middleman to advise other companies that seek taxpayer-financed business. The main focus, Mr. Howland said, would be to advise companies that seek opportunities in the private sector in Iraq, including licenses to market products there. The existence of the company was first reported in The Hill, a Congressional newspaper.

Mr. Howland said the company was not trying to promote its political connections. He said that although Mr. Allbaugh, for example, had spent most of his career "in the political areba, there's a lot of cross-pollination between that world and the one that exists in Iraq today."

As part of the administration's postwar work in Iraq, the government has awarded hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts to American businesses. Those contracts, some without competitive bidding, have included more than $500 million to support troops and extinguish oil field fires for Kellogg, Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, which Vice President Dick Cheney led from 1995 until 2000.

Of the $3.9 billion a month that the administration is spending on military operations in Iraq, up to one-third may go to contractors who provide food, housing and other services, some military budget experts said. A spokesman for the Pentagon said today that the military could not provide an estimate of the breakdown.

Administration officials, including L. Paul Bremer III, the top American official in Iraq, have said all future contracts will be issued only as a result of competitive bidding. Already, the Web site for the Coalition Provisional Authority, cpa-iraq.org/, lists 36 recent solicitations, including those for contractors who might sell new AK-47 assault rifles, nine-millimeter ammunition and other goods for new army and security forces.

New Bridge Strategies was established in May and recently began full-fledged operations, including opening an office in Iraq, its officials said. They added that a decision by the Governing Council of Iraq to allow forgn companies to establish 100 percent ownership of businesses in Iraq, an unusual arrangement in the Mid, had added to the attractiveness of the market.

Mr. Howland is a principal of Crest Investment in Houston and was president of American Rice, once a major exporter to Iraq. Richard Burt, ambassador to Germany in the Reagan administration and a former assistant secretary of state, and Lord Powell, a member of the British House of Lords and an important military and forgn-policy adviser to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, are among the 10 principals.

Mr. Allbaugh, the chairman, spent most of his career in Texas politics before Mr. Bush appointed him to head the federal disaster agency. Mr. Allbaugh, who now heads his own consulting firm here, did not return calls to his office today.

Mr. Rogers, the vice chairman who was a deputy assistant to the first President Bush and an executive assistant to the White House chief of staff, is also vice chairman of Barbour Griffith & Rogers, one of the best-connected Republican lobbying firms in the capital. Mr. Rogers founded it in 1991 with Haley Barbour, who became chairman of the Republican National Committee and is now running for governor of Mississippi.

Shortly after leaving the White House, Mr. Rogers was publicly rebuked by the first President Bush after he signed a $600,000 contract to represent a Saudi, Shk Kamal Adham, who was a main figure under scrutiny in a case that involved the Bank of Commerce and Credit International. Mr. Rogers canceled his contract to represent the shk, former head of Saudi intelligence.

Mr. Griffith, a director of the new company, is chief operating officer of Barbour Griffith & Rogers, which he joined in 1993. He was special assistant for intergovernmental affairs to the first President Bush and later worked under him as an assistant secretary of education.

Until November, Mr. Rogers's wife, Edwina, was associate director of the National Economic Council at the White House. Reached by telephone today, Mr. Rogers said he did not want to speak for the record and referred a reporter to Mr. Howland.

The company Web site says the company was "created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq."

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[Yonivore]

Quote:"Exactly WHAT did Bill Clinton do that hurt anybody? You're holding up this TECHNICALITY as an important moral law."
First, I clearly distinguished between the moral and legal aspects of Clinton's and enegger's dilemas. In fact, it is how I was able to demonstrate the differences in the two cases. But, let me drive it home for ya.

What did Bill Clinton do that hurt anybody?

Well, his perjury effectively denied Paula Jones her due process rights, guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution in that he lied, under oath, in order that Ms. Jones' suit could not go forward. Once, his perjury was discovered, he settled with Paula Jones because he knew that which he lied about gave her standing and cause in court.

Secondly, his crime harmed the Office of the Presidency and undermined the principles on which the country was founded. It demonstrated that he, the single most important defender of the U.S. Constitution (he took an oath to that effect, ifyou will recall) was willing to disregard it for personal reasons. Period.

The magnitude of the lie and the reasons it was told are not as significant as the motivation for telling it and his obligations, to the Office and the Constitution and the rule of law, of which he was willing to abandon in order to save his own skin.

Is any of this getting through? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

I'm sorry, I'm just really confused about why you think Bill Clinton's crime is WORSE than any of the atrocities coming out of the Bush administration.
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[Yonivore]

I know you are.

"...atrocities..."? Wow, the rhetoric just keeps nudging upward. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[azellyn]

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[wookibender]

Yonivore,

Do I need to remind you of your posts defending Bush with Tabloid articles?
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[REBEL]

I would not vote for Bill.

If there were a choice between only the two of them, I guess I would hold my nose and vote for Arnold. At l he did not rape anyone.
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[Yonivore]

That was one post and I was drunk. azellyn keeps going to the cartoon well over and over.

So, kiss my ass. << Oh look, I used a smilie!
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[wookibender]

Quote:Yonibore Says:
That was one post and I was drunk.

Let's go back and look at your posts....
20 lies about war post...
(9/21/03 12:23 am)
Quote:Yonivore says:
I'm sorry, I'm just too drunk to answer your ramblings seriously. I would only further damage our already fairly untenable relationship.

Then...
What Led All the Morans
(9/21/03 1:59 pm)
Quote:Quoted from TABLOID by Yonibore:
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So almost 14 hours later after sleeping you are still drunk?

Are you saying you're an alcoholic Yonivore?

I'm calling bullsh*t, your just trying to cop out of what ruined your credibility on this site.

The fact is you read seriously biased information to formulate your opinions of the world and democrats.

Quote:Yonibore says:
azellyn keeps going to the cartoon well over and over.

So, kiss my ass.

I do it too, Why....
Because many here think you're a dumb ass "moran" that needs to have points illustrated more visually for you to get it. It does not mean that we are not as "smart" as you by posting these. It is that we are trying to get through to you by other means since you ignore, or can't comprehend all the information presented to you. You need cartoons to get the "idea" or concept. I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying though.

Here... maybe this will help...


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[Dark California]

I'm sorry there are people like Yani others who think that two consenting adults is the same as trying to rape or force or self on a woman. Repeated times. This is why we have people saying date-rape isn't that serious. You would think it was if it was your daughter or wife. Get a real point....like how our new Governor is unfit for public office. He wouldn't likely be walking the streets if he wasn't rich and famous. What a great image for our leader .....a steroid-freak running crazy with a hard on and a Hitler youth knife. YAY!

[NYIndependence]

Quote:ARNOLD IS A MARRIED ADULT! And probably avoided jail time because of his money and influence
He avoided jail time because these claims were brought to the papers and not law enforcement. It strikes me as rather convenient that you choose to champion Clinton, whose rape accusers DID go to the proper authorities, while you chastise enegger, whose accusers remained quiet until he ran for governor.These claims are entirely without merit.
Quote:This is why we have people saying date-rape isn't that serious. You would think it was if it was your daughter or wife.
If it were my wife or daughter, I would take the case to the proper authorities immediately, not wait until it could sink them politically and then feed the story to the media (and still refrain from notifying the police.)
Quote:What a great image for our leader .....a steroid-freak running crazy with a hard on and a Hitler youth knife.
When was Arnold a member of the Hitler Youth? Not only was he not a member of the Hitler Youth, he, in fact, chased Neo-Nazis out of his hometown of Graz, Austria*

* www.nj.com/newsflash/inte...ger-Hometo
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[Yonivore]

Like I give a rat's ass what you think.

Oh, and how do you know my drinking and sleeping habits? Do I need to take out a protective order or something.
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