Bush right to fight Saddam and al-Qaida

[Nattydread]

Although your statements of faith in bush is frought with stupidity ..its your right!
Its also your right to be emotional...and out of touch with reality!

Fight Al quida all you want...I would personally give you my gun and a ONE-WAY-TICKET to Iraq to further your cause. JUST DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT WITH THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MONEY!

Its a shame and disgrace that bush is funding his $50M campaign fund war chest with tax-payers dollors. By siphoning our money to his buddies..who subsequently donates to his cause..its a win-win situation at the taxpayers expense. And thats what will happen with this $87B he's asking for!
Iraqis do not deserve better service than Americans! :">
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[NYIndependence]

So you don't think that the United States should fight Al-Qaeda with taxpayer money? Forget Iraq for a second. You do not want the US fighting Al-Qaeda?
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[Freedom]

stupid. I know I struck a nerve.

You are not getting the big picture. You don't want to get the big picture. If Iraq succeeds and democracy in Iraq succeeds, it will set a precedent for democracy in surrounding countries, one by one.

If terrorism does not succeed in Iraq, it will send a message to all terrorists.

Read my post again for other reasons to support the "big picture."

As Condaleeza Rice said, freedom is priceless.

If you really think the Iraqis have it better than we do, why not go there??????????????
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[Freedom]

"Manhattan, a great reservoir of wealth, so exposed, it could be a hostage for ignominious compliances with the dictates of a forgn enemy or even the rapacious demands of pirates and barbarians," predicted President James Madison.

Al-Qaida attacked us for our way of life. Al-Qaida and thr Taliban allies stand for oppression of women, killing homosexuals, ending of individual thought and choice, destruction of free speech, assembly and religion, and no separation between religion and state. Thr goal is to destroy us, no matter what we could do to appease them.

Saddam and sons had made it clear thr willingness to help terrorists. They had sent money to Hamas to lure children into becoming suicide bombers. In a PBS Frontline investigation of the Salman Pak Training Camp, security officer Jamal al-Qurairy told of non-Iraqi Arabs training at the base, and Iraqi intelligence officer Sabah Khondada told of training non-Iraqi Arabs in terrorism tactics. They have helped Ramzi Yousef, the 1993 World Trade Center bomber. Yousef also plotted in 1994 to bomb 12 American commercial flights between Los Angeles and Asia, and to kill former President Clinton with poison gas and rocket-propelled grenades as he attended a conference in Manila. His attempts were foiled by Manila police when they raided his apartment, which he fled minutes before. Yousef's older brothers are al-Qaida lieutenants.

President Bush did the right thing in going after these thugs. Since the United Nations' creation in 1945 there have been nearly 200 wars. The Security Council only twice approved the use of force, the Korean War and the 1991 Gulf War.

I have faith in President Bush. I trust him with my life and my family's life.

As President Andrew Jackson had said, "One man with courage makes a majority."

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[Billybob]

You know what another word for faith is? STUPIDITY!

That's what it means. Faith means not checking, not researching, not knowing, but simply BELIEVING in something, without evidence to back it up.

Once again, you're claiming that "the terrorists" hate us for our way of life. That is SO ridiculous, I don't know where to start. Who could hate someone else for having more freedom than them? And anyway, this country isn't all that free to begin with.

I think one of the biggest problems with the people in America, is that most of us don't know why the middle would hate us. We've been messing in middle ern politics for over 50 years now. We've supported (and continue to support) brutal dictators, allow allies to use slave labor to export the goods we buy, etc. And you have the balls to think they're animals who hate us because they're so repressed? Do you even have any middle ern friends? Have you ever BEEN to the middle ? I suspect the answer to both is no.

Freedom, one day you're going to have to wake up, start thinking for yourself, and realize that politicians do NOT have your best interests in mind (yes, that includes the democrats too, in most cases). If you watched C-SPAN, read a greater variety of news, or just paid attention more, you will see that the actions of this Bush administration are often shady at best. They quell investigations, punish dissent, and are generally becoming the biggest bullies in the world.
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[No Affiliation]

If you think Bush is right to fight Saddam and Al-Quida, okay, let him go and do it. But before he goes he should order the military to defend the borders of the United States against the illegal alien invasion and order the military to assist the BICE in deporting illegal aliens. Our military is to defend OUR nation. Our military in NOT the King's army.
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[Nattydread]

I've been saying that for months now!

NO GI IN IRAQ IS MAKING A SINGLE AMERICAN SAFE!

AMERICA IS LESS SAFE BY GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ!

GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ DEPLETES OUR RESOURCE ON THE WRONG CAUSE!


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[NYIndependence]

I said forget Iraq. Do you think the US is wrong for going after Al-Qaeda in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan?
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[Yonivore]

The Demoncratic arguments reminded me of a quote from Ann Coulter's latest opinion piece on the new shining star of the Demoncratic party.

It demonstrates the pure hypocracy of the Demoncratic party:

Quote:"Clark's other credential to lead the free world was that he supervised the 'liberation' of Kosovo by ordering our pilots to drop bombs from 15,000 feet at a tremendous cost in innocent civilian life in a 100 percent humanitarian war against a country that posed absolutely no threat to the United States ? imminent or otherwise ? and without the approval of the almighty United Nations."

"So you can see why Clark supported, then opposed, then supported, then opposed the current war in Iraq. Say, is there a website where I can get up-to-the-minute updates on Wesley Clark's current position on the war in Iraq, kind of like a Nasdaq ticker?"

"Possible Clark campaign slogans are already starting to emerge:"

"I Was Into Quagmires Before Quagmires Were Cool"

"Honk if You Got Bombed in Kosovo"

"Only Fired by the Pentagon Once!"

"The OTHER Bush-Bashing Rhodes Scholar From Arkansas"

"No, Really, Vice President Would Be Fine"

Read the entire article here...it's priceless.

General Democrat

Yeah, Yeah, I know she's the Demoncratic anti-Christ, so save the rips on her character and lineage. Argue the merits of her observation instead. I think she repeatedly nails you bastards to the proverbial wall. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

Afghanistan was a complete disaster! I definately don't think America should have gone there, and I think that belief is supported by the situation in Afghanistan right now. The Taliban are gaining control of the country again, the corrupt warlords America supported during our campaign have killed thousands of people.

In fact, American soldiers are blamed for thr role in the massacre of over 5000 surrendering Taliban. Of course, the US won't allow any US troops to be held responsible for war crimes. There's a great documentary about this called "The Afghan Massacre", by a British filmmaker who basically proves that this even did happen. The film was shown to the UN in the hopes that it would bring about a REAL investigation. The witnesses are bng killed off, and still the US has not opened this case. It's quite an eye-opening film, you should find it. Online, of course.
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Do you think the ban on using tactical nukes should be lifted?
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[Yonivore]

Billybob, you're nuts. I'm convinced...

The Taliban controls that part of Afghanistan inhabited by them and bugs. They're on the run. They're in hiding. The blades of those black helicopters are interfering with your cognitive abilities, I think.

Question. There is no ban on tactical nuclear weapons. We got 'em and we'd use 'em if it were necessary. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

Yonivore, where are you getting this information? It runs contrary to ANY research you do on the state of Afghanistan at the moment.

Afghanistan is a MESS!
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[Yonivore]

Germany was a mess for years after WWII. Japan too, although to a lesser degree. No one claimed the Nazi's or the Japanese extremists were regaining control. I take that back...a bunch of WRONG people claimed the they were regaining power.

Sure, Afghanistan is a mess. It's recovering from a brutal war. The Taliban isn't in control of thr own asses, much less any appreciable portion of Afghanistan.

Same goes for the Ba'athists in Iraq.

I'm constantly amazed by the idea that once these regimes fell we were all supposed to wake up the next morning and see politicians campaigning for a democratic election in those countries.

Your proposition is unreasonable and irrational.
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[Nattydread]

You have been duped you idiot...one more sucker contributing to Ann Coulter's vacation home!
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[NYIndependence]

It would be foolish for me to say that Afghanistan is a model society today, because it is not. However, the merits of this emerging nation outwgh its negative aspects. Like any developing nation, Afghaninstan has problems establishing a central authority, instituting security, and building an infrastructure.
Quote:The Taliban are gaining control of the country again
In recent months, the Taliban have staged unsuccessful offensives which have been crushed by American and Afghan security forces. By no means do they claim control over any significant area or population.

Moreover, the United States (and the rest of the world) was wrong to remove the Taliban from power, so why are you discouraged by thr current attempts to regain power?

As for the Afghan massacre, it has been a year now and the UN has not released any condemnation or acknowledgement of the attack, to my knowledge.
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:Moreover, the United States (and the rest of the world) was wrong to remove the Taliban from power, so why are you discouraged by thr current attempts to regain power?
What I meant to say was:
Moreover, the United States (and the rest of the world) was wrong, in your opinion, to remove the Taliban from power, so why are you discouraged by thr current attempts to regain power?
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"Yonivore...your stupid enough to admit reading Coulter. You have been duped you idiot...one more sucker contributing to Ann Coulter's vacation home."
Good, sound, intelligent responses to the points made;

1) There are extreme similarities between the war in the Balkans and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and liberal Demoncrats are bng hypocritical in supporting one (and the President that prosecuted it) while condemning the other (and the President prosecuting it.).

2) General Clark is vying for "Waffler-in-Chief."

3) Ann Coulter is a babe that absolutely drives Demoncrats crazy with contempt and hatred. God love her!
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Quote:Good, sound, intelligent responses to the points made;

1) There are extreme similarities between the war in the Balkans and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and liberal Demoncrats are bng hypocritical in supporting one (and the President that prosecuted it) while condemning the other (and the President prosecuting it.).

2) General Clark is vying for "Waffler-in-Chief."

3) Ann Coulter is a babe that absolutely drives Demoncrats crazy with contempt and hatred. God love her!

1. Please explain (with factual evidence) these extreme similarities. When you are done, please take a look at the UN resolutions against Iraq and Israel and the two-faced point of view that Republicans seem to have concerning upholding UN resolutions.

2. Ha ha (not) - none of your jokes are funny. Accept it and move on.

3. A babe? I stand corrected, that one is actually funny. But then again, it's probably not a joke. A babe....
Us Demoncrats (which isn't funny ther) laugh at Coulter and we laugh even harder at the feebleminded flock of sheep that follows her. She's not really worthy of our hatred and contempt. She's just a nuisance who wastes our time when we could be listening to someone who actually has something intelligent to say. A description that should be familiar to you.

Humor (or the lack thereof) usually is a sign of intelligence (or the lack thereof). You prove this theory. So go away and tell you weak jokes elsewhere.
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[Nattydread]

I don't really read anymore than two lines of your drievel (when I'm bored) but go back and look at your posts and see if you can observe a pattern.

Notice anything...? Notice that your rebuttal is always more lengthy than the norm? I bet what you do is leaf throuth the crap you read from Ann Coultier book and re-pharse it here on the board!

YOU CANNOT THINK FOR YOURSELF!

No wonder you ignore everyone's rationale and facts! If it's not on page 256 of Ann Coultier's book or page 235 of Bill Bennet or page 196 of Bill O'Rlly's book you are STUCK!

YOU CANNOT THINK FOR YOUR-SELF!

Debating an issue with you is pointless!
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[Yonivore]

...whatever you think best natty.

Again, I notice how eloquently you rebut the arguments.

But, for the record, when I quote someone (Such as Coulter - and I've never read O'Rlly or Bennett), I put the quotes in context and properly attribute them.

Everything else are my own words. I'm sorry, I can't put it in a 4th grade-level bulleted list for you natty, some issues are complex.
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[Yonivore]

1) A war prosecuted with a coalition and without U.N. approval. There are your extreme similarities.

Oh, and the extreme differences make it even more perplexing as to why Demoncrats (yeah, who cares if you laugh) supported the Kosovo action and condemn the Iraqi Action.

Both had humanitarian elements, except that with Kosovo, it was the prime reason given for going to war. Are Iraqis, suffering under the oppressive, brutal, and merciless regime of Saddam Hussn any less deserving than the Muslims bng systematically purged in the Balkans?

All agree that the Balkans conflict posed absolutely no danger to the People of the United States of American or the national security of this country. There is considerable debate over this issue vis a vis Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Kosovo conflict was prosecuted from 15,000 feet with little regard given to collateral damage and innocent life. The Iraq invasion, while similarly resulting in collateral damage, was designed with preservation of innocent life and the survival of key utility infrastructures in mind.

2) Who cares if you appreciate my humor. I certainly don't care.

3) Yeah, a babe. That's my opinion, you don't have to agree; It's America.

I'll do what I please, thank you. I will continue to post (or not post) on this board until I decide to quit or until the forum administrators decide to ban me. So, save your advice. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon JumpEdited by: Yonivore at: 10/3/03 2:40 pm

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[Sassy]

Now allow me to sneak in an article re: After the War:

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM
Botulinum 'is WMD'
State Department spokesman: Lethal bio-toxin 'kills people, it kills people in large quantities'

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Posted: October 4, 2003
1:00 a.m. ern

? 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

The vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors ? which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man ? is "a weapon of mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announced yesterday.

"Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is a weapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher," according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on a massive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."

The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist's refrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.

Earlier in the day, Secretary of State Colin Powell told the press the report on ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussn's weapons program, just released by the government's lead weapons inspector David Kay, justified the decision to invade Iraq.

Kay's "interim assessment" described discoveries of illicit arms programs, as well as evidence Saddam was intent on developing weapons of mass destruction, including chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, despite United Nations prohibitions.

When reporters grilled Powell as to whether he thought weapons inspectors' efforts would ever yield "weapons of mass destruction," Powell replied rhetorically: "Do you think vials of botulinum should constitute a weapon of mass destruction?"

And President George Bush, before boarding Marine One, claimed the Kay report vindicated the Iraqi war effort:

"The report states that Saddam Hussn's regime had a clandestine network of biological laboratories, a live strain of deadly agent botulinum, sophisticated concealment efforts and advanced design work on prohibited longer-range missiles," said Bush. "These findings already make clear that Saddam Hussn actively decved the international community, that Saddam Hussn, was in clear violation of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 and that Saddam Hussn was a danger to the world."

The president added that Kaye's "Iraq Survey Group" discovered "dozens of WMD (weapons of mass destruction)-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in 2002." He added that Kay and his team found "systematic destruction of evidence of these illegal activities."

The Bush administration had relied on U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441 as a legal basis for the March invasion. The resolution threatened the Saddam Hussn regime with "serious consequences" for failing to demonstrate that it had ended its WMD program.

Weeks before the invasion, on Feb. 5, Powell laid out the case against Saddam before the Security Council and the world, during which he referred to Iraq's biological weapons programs and its capability of producing deadly botulinum and other toxins.

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussn has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more," Powell said, pointing out Iraq had admitted to producing botulinum. "And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction."

Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqi scientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said the discovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons."

According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defense Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport and misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons."

Kay, a veteran former U.N. weapons inspector, says the investigation he is leading involves over 1,200 staffers, and is likely to take another six to nine months. He asked reporters for "time and patience in the answers you really deserve," noting that the regime of Saddam Hussn had "engaged in extensive deceptions."

In fact, said Kay, his team has found signs that arms may have been moved out of the country before Saddam's fall.

When reporters asked Kay at a telephone press conference whether chemical or biological weapons had been moved out of Iraq before the March invasion, reports AFP, the lead inspector replied: "We have multiple reports from Iraqis of substances bng moved across borders." He added: "We've got information indicating movement to Iran, Syria, Jordan, essentially all states that border the north with Iraq, that's not surprising those routes have been long used. At l with regard to Syria and Jordan, certainly senior Iraqi officials, both military and scientific, moved to both countries pre-conflict and during the conflict, and some immediately after the conflict."

Earlier this week, biological and chemical weapons turned up in Kuwait, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Siyassah.

The pro-government daily reported Kuwaiti security forces foiled an attempted smuggling of $60 million worth of chemical weapons and biological warheads from Iraq to an unnamed European country. Citing an unnamed security source, Al-Siyassah said the smugglers had been under survllance since they arrived in Kuwait and were arrested "in due time."
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