Setauket FD Turned Down on Bond Issue Vote

[Thanks 3 V Civics]

Following the very vocal campaign by the Three Village Civic Association to vote the Setauket Bond Issue down, the following should proceed with due haste;

1. A bulldozer should commence the permanent alterations to the "RUBBER HOUSES", (tear the buildings down). Lets face it the buildings are owned by Setauket FD, so mow em' down.

2. Renovate the Upstairs Portion of Station 3 currently used for storeage and move the Fire District Offices into that work space. Make sure to invite the Civic Association to a coctail reception/Grand opening of the new offices.

3. Mobilize the FD members during the next election cycle for Vivian Fisher or any other Civic Association member who decides to run for office, (strongly support anyone who runs AGAINST THEM!).

4. In accordance with State Laws, start a P.A.C. fund within the Fire Department Companies to throw money at local politicans who favor our own causes.

5. Join the NEW community group started two weeks ago, "Regular people for the betterment of the Three Villages". This group does not allow membership to anyone who thinks they know it all, to any radicals - from either side of the political isle.

6. Protest any agenda pushed by the current Civic Association, with sandwich signs and newspaper articles.

[I forgot]

7. Change the sign at the current FD building at Old Town and 25A to read "Station 01", change the sign at station 03 on Nichols rd to read; "HEADQUARTERS".

8. Use the funds the Fire District has to immediately start a renovation of Station 01 in attempts to upgrade as best they can.

9. Make sure that when completed, the fron of Station 01 looks EXACTLY like the artists rendition of what was to be the new building.

10. Have a coctail party to open the building after renovations, make sure to invite Vivian Fisher, Jay Wastiewiz, Ron Dibiase and a few other notable Civic Association Members.

11. Post an article in the local papers thanking the civic association for meddling in something that they had no proper right to meddle in and for thier continued support of the many volunteers who answer the calls for help every day of the year while they sleep.

[You got my vote]

Nice !

[Unregisteredsdafs]

7. Change the sign at the current FD building at Old Town and 25A to read "Station 01", change the sign at station 03 on Nichols rd to read; "HEADQUARTERS".

8. Use the funds the Fire District has to immediately start a renovation of Station 01 in attempts to upgrade as best they can.

9. Make sure that when completed, the fron of Station 01 looks EXACTLY like the artists rendition of what was to be the new building.

10. Have a coctail party to open the building after renovations, make sure to invite Vivian Fisher, Jay Wastiewiz, Ron Dibiase and a few other notable Civic Association Members.

11. Post an article in the local papers thanking the civic association for meddling in something that they had no proper right to meddle in and for thier continued support of the many volunteers who answer the calls for help every day of the year while they sleep.

Ohhhhhh, booo hooo, did you not get approved for the new firepalace you perps wanted??? TOO BAD SKELL!!! People are thinking twice about dumping moeny into stupid projects, like new firehouses. You idiots would scream for more money in a freakin Depression!!!

NO money for you Setauket, live with it!!!!!!

[booohoooo]

Why is it that the FDs in Suffolk feel they need these big Taj Mahals? There are plenty of volunteer FDs who run just as many calls and have much smaller, economiclly feasable buildings.

Why would this bond vote not be appropriate for the tax payers to "meddle" in a bond vote that is going to affect their taxes? Isn't that the whole purpose of a vote? Welcome to America.

[!@#$]

These were not "big Taj Mahals". The current Headquarters building has cracks in the concrete and brick walls, a roof that constantly leaks (they fix it and a new one appears a month or two later), and I swear during one of the dept. meetings the second floor will collapse on to the first. Not to mention that appartus has to be designed to fit in the truck bays (3 of which do not even fit a mordern Ford E450 ambulance). The civics did not care about the price so much as it was about that the district offices, and the dispatcher were going to move into the new district building that was to be built to the rear of Sta. 3., they did not like that the Main St. firehouse would not be manned 24/7. I guess the civics do not relize that Sta. 2 or Sta. 3 rigs have been first or only due in that area sometimes right next door to the Sta 1. That district building was also to include a mechanics bay, right now he operates out of a leased spaced on commercial land that the district pays for monthly. The bond would have cost approx. 88 dollars per household in the district. Although I did not agree with the exact proposal (mainly building two seperate buildings) I voted yes because the conditions at Sta 1 are unsafe and something needs to get done. To invest into renovating Sta 1 would be a waste of money. The civics have just caused more waste of taxpayer dollars, the district no has to go back to the drawing board (which costs money) and the price of material and labor are only going to go up as time goes on. But I guess the civics forgot about that to.

Just some points you might like to know.

P.S. I know my spelling and grammer sucks!

[Bad Karma]

This is what happens when an entity decides to invade another entities space. Ie: The Civic Association tried to force their way into the planning and development of a new Firehouse for the Fire Department. The Fire Department currently has a sizable amount of volunteer Firefighters who work day to day in construction enterprise. Giving the FD a vast array of experienced persons to help guide the project. The FD also hired an architect firm, a general contractor as advisor, and numerous other PROFFESSIONAL personnel to assist in this project. The civics were left out for two reasons;
1. They felt it was their RIGHT to dictate rules of engagement to the FD, and
2. They refused to allow a former Chief and thirty five year veteran volunteer from presenting the project to them at an open meeting. Instead choosing to continually interupt the gentlemen who spoke and causing the presentation to go unfinished.

So FF took offens eto the Civics STRONG ARM TACTICS, and refused them further access.

What is consistently misunderstood by the Civics is that the Fire District is a Municipal Agency and they do not answer to anyone but the voters. In this instance the voters who voted against the bond were by and large civic association members and their family members. Those who voted for the bond are involved in the FD.

Lesson learned, the FD will have to hire a PR firm, make their issues better known to the Setauket residents and move forward with another bond vote at another time. Much like the school district, we can hold as many bond votes as we need until we pass one.

End of Story.

PS- the fire department can move the District offices, the dispatchers and anything in the FD wherever they deem necessary, without any extra money or voter approvals whatsoever.

[new ff]

Most say that the pen is mightier than the sword, in this case
i think many of you are using crayons, which is why you cant seem to get your point across, or win an arguement. This situation is a perfect example of what happens when hot heads meet up and cooler heads fail to converse in a civil dialogue.

[Unregistered FF Me]

Most say that the pen is mightier than the sword, in this case
i think many of you are using crayons, which is why you cant seem to get your point across, or win an arguement. This situation is a perfect example of what happens when hot heads meet up and cooler heads fail to converse in a civil dialogue.

Not really, this is what happens when a group gets together, (the local civic assoc.), and through the shear pompous nature of thier personalities think they alone can force dozens of business owners, merchants, and yes - even the a Municipal Agency such as the Fire District to conduct themselves according to a code or book of rules THEY, (the civic assoc.), deem proper for whatever misguided reason. This is a matter that should readily have been decided by the taxpayer at large and the Fire District. Instead the civic association was prominent in the whos who list of voters that day. I also find it stunning that so many members of the civic assoc. managed to vote, even though they maintained locally in print that the poll hours were purposely shortened to limit outside voter input - what absolute hogwash.

[UnregisteredTaxMan]

Not really, this is what happens when a group gets together, (the local civic assoc.), and through the shear pompous nature of thier personalities think they alone can force dozens of business owners, merchants, and yes - even the a Municipal Agency such as the Fire District to conduct themselves according to a code or book of rules THEY, (the civic assoc.), deem proper for whatever misguided reason. This is a matter that should readily have been decided by the taxpayer at large and the Fire District. Instead the civic association was prominent in the whos who list of voters that day. I also find it stunning that so many members of the civic assoc. managed to vote, even though they maintained locally in print that the poll hours were purposely shortened to limit outside voter input - what absolute hogwash.


Members of the Civic Association are also taxpayers you idiot!!

[karlmalone]

Not really, this is what happens when a group gets together, (the local civic assoc.), and through the shear pompous nature of thier personalities think they alone can force dozens of business owners, merchants, and yes - even the a Municipal Agency such as the Fire District to conduct themselves according to a code or book of rules THEY, (the civic assoc.), deem proper for whatever misguided reason. This is a matter that should readily have been decided by the taxpayer at large and the Fire District. Instead the civic association was prominent in the whos who list of voters that day. I also find it stunning that so many members of the civic assoc. managed to vote, even though they maintained locally in print that the poll hours were purposely shortened to limit outside voter input - what absolute hogwash.

I think it's called DEMOCRACY.

[the public]

They do not represent the majority of the public. There are more than approx. 1,100 people who voted who live in this approx 28 square mile district. Most residents don't care what the F.D. does except when they call they show up thats it.

[Democracy - NOT!]

A Democracy works when the public is well informed, you have a large turnout for a public election and both sides of an issue are heard yet one is defeated. This was not a democracy in the works, this was a small group, (the civic association), that was well organized and pushed their OWN agenda ahead of the health, well being, and safety of the community at large. You can call it a conspiracy or whatever you like, but NOT a Democracy.

Don't think the Fire Department Officials are blind to the fact that the Civc Association would love to limit what the Fire Department can do with their entire organization. Including what if any changes are made to the structure of the existing Firehouse, which many civic ass. members think should be preserved as a historic building as well.

[Not A democratic response]

A Democracy works when the public is well informed, you have a large turnout for a public election and both sides of an issue are heard yet one is defeated. This was not a democracy in the works, this was a small group, (the civic association), that was well organized and pushed their OWN agenda ahead of the health, well being, and safety of the community at large. You can call it a conspiracy or whatever you like, but NOT a Democracy.

Don't think the Fire Department Officials are blind to the fact that the Civc Association would love to limit what the Fire Department can do with their entire organization. Including what if any changes are made to the structure of the existing Firehouse, which many civic ass. members think should be preserved as a historic building as well.


I agree with your post, this is not an accurate depiction of the voters of Setauket. Instead it is a show of just how few FF/EMT's really care as we did not even get all of our members to come out and vote, yet obviously the civic association did extremely well in getting thier members out for this.

The Commissioners should post a public notice and hold another bond vote in April. But this time they should do a mailing depicting the issues at hand for us, and advising taxpayers exactly what is at stake for us, for them and for all concerned.

[Wake up - Guys!]

I am in total agreement with the previous post. It should stand as a wake up call for all FF/EMT's, look at other Departments around the Island, local civic grouyps are trying very hard to run every aspect of thier respective communities. Setauket is no different than Mt Sinai, Miller Place etc. Local groups in each case are trying to gain some sort of leverage against the Fire Departments there. The FD's are municpal agencies and as such are exempt from most rules and regs regarding buildings codes etc. But the Town realizing that the civics wield considerable power politically because they are well organized, succumb to the civics and hold out on the FD's at every turn when building new FD's, etc.

[udontgetit]

I agree with your post, this is not an accurate depiction of the voters of Setauket. Instead it is a show of just how few FF/EMT's really care as we did not even get all of our members to come out and vote, yet obviously the civic association did extremely well in getting thier members out for this.

The Commissioners should post a public notice and hold another bond vote in April. But this time they should do a mailing depicting the issues at hand for us, and advising taxpayers exactly what is at stake for us, for them and for all concerned.

No, no do-overs. You don't get to hold do-overs until you get your way. Elections cost money. You lost. The other side was better organized than you. It's called politics. You tend to get politics when you hold an election. Grow up and get over it.

[Correct No do-overs]

No, no do-overs. You don't get to hold do-overs until you get your way. Elections cost money. You lost. The other side was better organized than you. It's called politics. You tend to get politics when you hold an election. Grow up and get over it.


While the FD shouldn't have a do over, as you called it, they really don't need one. As a Municipal agency they can simply raise the taxes in the Fire District enough to cover the cost of these buildings over the next four or six years. Guess what > you HAVE to pay it. The bond issue wasn't asking PERMISSION to build these buildings, it was asking the general public if they would like to spread out the repayments over a period of time so as not to overburden the taxpayer. You win, now we have to pay it back over the next four or six years - nice move civics association. Now instead of an average of $88. dollars a year for the next fifteen years we can expect increases of over three hundred dollars per year for the next six or so years. GOOD JOB MORONS !

The Fire Commissioners have an obligation to the public safety of thier response area, and they HAVE TO DO what is necessary to continue providing the same or better quality of care and service already in place. Currently they deem there is a necessity for a new firehouse and for a newer District office. Frankly, you cant argue that replacing a building that is almost 100 years old, started as a barn, and has had at least six notable additions to it over the last sixty years is in fact prudent. You can try, but nobody will be listening but your civic association pals, and who cares what they think! Not to mention the current Firehouse is an eye sore and a disaster area.

[uhm, think first]

The plan you propose must start with a resoulution of the Board, need existing money, and a publication that states "in absence of permissive referendum", and "funds are on hand and available for the task proposed from existing reserve funds, and the teasurer of the fire district be so authorized.... And look, there is a thirty day waiting period for resident comment or the call for referendum.

Don't got the cash, can't do the deal.

[Thanks Ron or uh, JJ]

Actually NO. If you were paying attention when you were here, isntead of trying to gain benefits from being here for yourself, you would have learned that the procedure you call for is only for procurement of "EQUIPMENT". It has nothing to do with buildings or infrastructure of the FD or Fire District. What you are speaking of only comes into play when attempting to purchase a new million dollar fire truck, etc.

Nice try though, Happy Easter!

[Right is right]

The guy is right, the Fire District can raise taxes whenever they feel the need to. They can also spend money already in thier coffers for whatever reason they deem appropriate. I agree the Firehouse is necessary, and so is the mechanics garage and maintenance area, but they should use the upstairs at station 3 for the new district offices. After all isnt that what it was supposed to be all along?

[Unregistered79432]

Farmingville F.D. had bonds for expansion of there HQ fail. There board raised taxes as high as they could, put extention on the first floor and added seconded floor onto the building. Catch to this is it took a few years to complete the project because you don't get all the money in one shot. So yes this has been done before without public approval.

[What a dillhole]

The plan you propose must start with a resoulution of the Board, need existing money, and a publication that states "in absence of permissive referendum", and "funds are on hand and available for the task proposed from existing reserve funds, and the teasurer of the fire district be so authorized.... And look, there is a thirty day waiting period for resident comment or the call for referendum.

Don't got the cash, can't do the deal.

Your entire quote equals one commissioner saying -"I make a motion we expend all monies currently in the building fund towards the project". and a second to say- "I second that motion". All in favor, AYE. AND IT"S A DONE DEAL! So talk all you want about resolutions, time frames, committees whatever you want, it remains as simple as I stated.

ALL IN FAVOR - AYE ! One night, one vote, commissioners only, no public in closed session - DONE!

[Ominous]

The poster who made the process sound difficult did so for the benefit of those who haven't got a clue and could be swayed into thinking everything was under control. Well, it's not under anyone's control right now.

[Just a voice in the dark]

Let me start with the obligatory (yet sincere) caveat that I truly respect the brave & hard working members of the fire & rescue service. Anyone who is willing to leave their families & warm beds at 3 AM deserves our gratitude and the tools they need to accomplish their work. However;

It's been mentioned in this thread that the FD is a municipal agency and can make its own budget & planning decisions. That's not exactly true but I won't bore you with the details. Assuming it was, any municipal agency works under a system of checks, balances, and oversight. On Long Island we have no such oversight. The B.O.C.s are essentially the ultimate arbiters of these decisions and to their credit they probably do a fair job based on their perceived needs. That's the problem. They want to do the best job, be the best department, and have the most expansive roles possible. They have not shown themselves able to balance the wider range of the public's needs. Multiply this by the scores of individual departments across the island, and we're reinventing the wheel over and over again.

For instance, the typical inventory of equipment is far greater than what's needed by a small suburban hamlet. Surely greater mutual aid coordination between departments would allow fewer trucks per department; hence fewer upgraded stations, or at least more modest upgrades.

I already think government provides more duplicative services than are needed. Why do we need fire departments to create navies and scuba units? We already have the Coast Guard, town bay constables, police and sheriffs harbor units. Sure, the feds are throwing around homeland security money around like there's no tomorrow, but that money WILL eventually end. When it does, these extra responsibilities and associated equipment will continue to cost taxpayer dollars to maintain. Balanced oversight will help determine which of these roles are truly needed by the public. A scuba unit is not an effective use of public money, however correct fire response to terrorist mass casualty incidents is. Probability and the number of people potentially affected are important, not gee, what else can we take on.

I've read a lot of complaining about how the civic organized a response and stuffed the ballot box in regards to Setauket's referendum. Fire departments have been doing this for years. The vast majority of voters have been from "within the family" of the fire service, and departments have been pretty much granted carte blanche
We're reaching the economic tipping point folks, and more regular people, i.e. taxpayers, are going to be participating in the process. Departments can do as they've done in the past & limit the voting hours, fail to publicize them, or push for a ridiculously inflated budget hoping that a more modest one will pass on the re-vote. Or you can be more realistic in assessing what the needs of the public are, and how your department can respond to meet those needs. Not the other way around.

You guys & gals deserve what you need to get the job done. We're just asking you to rethink your needs, consider more cooperation with other agencies, and bring the process out into the light. You're right, "the people" are sheep, but we're not stupid sheep.

[GET A CLUE, PLEASE!]

The previous post makes little or no sense at all. The Setauket Issue is not about being the biggets or the best anything, it is about a Firehouse that is over 100 years old and was originally a barn. The current Commissioners are consumers and taxpayers just like you, and thier FIRST responsibility is to the Taxpayer - to provide adequate EMS and Fire Protection services to the community at a faqir and equitable tax rate. This issue has nothing to do with IF Setauket needs a new Firehouse, because it does. The only issue was how long do the taxpayers want to have to pay it off. Immediately, over a few years, or over an extended period of time via a bond referendum. The taxpayers, (or more exactly - the civic association has spoken), and now the process will go forward covering just a few scant years instead of fifteen or twenty.

As far as your comments about duplication of services etc., you have no clue what you are talking about. The Coast Guard has no direct services to the people of Setauket, except for recovery operations for boats that have sunk and for retrieval of bodies. The Fire Departments main responsibiity is to preserve your life, not to bring back your dead body afterward.

As far as government funding and your assertion that after the OHS monies dry up the taxpayer will suffer, HUH? Where do you think OHS gets thier budget line - YOU the taxpayer. So any funding that any Fire Department currently gets from the feds is already coming out of your pocket. It may be coming from the right pocket instead of the left pocket, but at the end of the day you are already paying for whatever is needed at any level.

This entire debate erupted because a young fireman had an arguement with Vivian Fisher a few days before the vote took place and he cursed at her for continually shifting her allegiances from one organization to the next in our area - A POLITICIAN! So don't confuse the actual needs of the Fire Department with your grandiose personal opinion on whats going on. Open your eyes, read a bit about htis situation, then just drive by the Firehouse and take agood long look at what is there.

[Good Name]

Choosing the name "Just a voice in the Dark", was an excellent decision because you my friend are completely "IN THE DARK". It's been quite a long time since I've read anything so misinformed and just plain wrong! This always begs the question; why do people write, talk about, or get involved in something if they have absolutely no idea what the f-ck they are talking about. Are they bored and just want to be involved with something new? Unreal!

[lbltjag]

Let me start with the obligatory (yet sincere) caveat that I truly respect the brave & hard working members of the fire & rescue service. Anyone who is willing to leave their families & warm beds at 3 AM deserves our gratitude and the tools they need to accomplish their work. However;

It's been mentioned in this thread that the FD is a municipal agency and can make its own budget & planning decisions. That's not exactly true but I won't bore you with the details. Assuming it was, any municipal agency works under a system of checks, balances, and oversight. On Long Island we have no such oversight. The B.O.C.s are essentially the ultimate arbiters of these decisions and to their credit they probably do a fair job based on their perceived needs. That's the problem. They want to do the best job, be the best department, and have the most expansive roles possible. They have not shown themselves able to balance the wider range of the public's needs. Multiply this by the scores of individual departments across the island, and we're reinventing the wheel over and over again.

For instance, the typical inventory of equipment is far greater than what's needed by a small suburban hamlet. Surely greater mutual aid coordination between departments would allow fewer trucks per department; hence fewer upgraded stations, or at least more modest upgrades.

I already think government provides more duplicative services than are needed. Why do we need fire departments to create navies and scuba units? We already have the Coast Guard, town bay constables, police and sheriffs harbor units. Sure, the feds are throwing around homeland security money around like there's no tomorrow, but that money WILL eventually end. When it does, these extra responsibilities and associated equipment will continue to cost taxpayer dollars to maintain. Balanced oversight will help determine which of these roles are truly needed by the public. A scuba unit is not an effective use of public money, however correct fire response to terrorist mass casualty incidents is. Probability and the number of people potentially affected are important, not gee, what else can we take on.

I've read a lot of complaining about how the civic organized a response and stuffed the ballot box in regards to Setauket's referendum. Fire departments have been doing this for years. The vast majority of voters have been from "within the family" of the fire service, and departments have been pretty much granted carte blanche
We're reaching the economic tipping point folks, and more regular people, i.e. taxpayers, are going to be participating in the process. Departments can do as they've done in the past & limit the voting hours, fail to publicize them, or push for a ridiculously inflated budget hoping that a more modest one will pass on the re-vote. Or you can be more realistic in assessing what the needs of the public are, and how your department can respond to meet those needs. Not the other way around.

You guys & gals deserve what you need to get the job done. We're just asking you to rethink your needs, consider more cooperation with other agencies, and bring the process out into the light. You're right, "the people" are sheep, but we're not stupid sheep.

Without a doubt, one of the best posts ever on TSR, and still, you're attacked. I guess anything less than fawning admiration for the volunteers is unacceptable. Amazing.

[Must be a dummycrat]

Without a doubt, one of the best posts ever on TSR, and still, you're attacked. I guess anything less than fawning admiration for the volunteers is unacceptable. Amazing.

I didn't see anyone attack this guy, I saw a few people bring to light 'FACTS' that your hero failed to post or just wasn't aware of. But I also disagree with your guy, he doesn't have any idea of how this sytem really works. The fact that you cant have a respectful disagreement, coupled with added civil dialogue without claiming that someone has attacked, him, you, anyone just means you are either misinformed as well, or just a DUMMYCRAT!

What was it the Fireman said to Vivian Fisher last week;

"Just like a Democrat, if you don't like what someone is saying, you just turn your back and walk away"!

Sorry folks, he nailed that one !

[Unregistered333222]

Maybe they should check the ties between the Board and the paid employees

[UnregisteredFDGUY]

Maybe they should check the ties between the Board and the paid employees

Yeah, and what would they find out? That a senior Dispatcher took a civil service exam and got her job - BEFORE her hubby was a Commissioner. OR That a young kid took a civil service test three years ago, and also BEFORE his Mom was a Commissioner and now he mops the floors. If thta's all you got numbnuts, then I suggest you get out your shovel and keep digging cause' that aint going to make anyone flinch or even look sideways at it.
Nice try though.

[Ron & JJ]

Hi Ron

Hi JJ

Keep em' coming slimebags!

[JJ & Ron]

Keep it fellas.

Maybe after we check who's related to District Employees we can check to see if RON took his MEDS today, OR better yet we can send the DA's Office to check JJ's garage for some stuff that probably shouldn't be there?

NAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Aint worth the cost of the gas to bother with two "has been" trouble makers.

[1p0dm4]

I'm smart enough to know that I don't know enough to even have an opinion about whether our FD needs a new building. I leave that decision to the people that run the department. They have the training & experience. Yet let me relate 2 observations that I made within the last 2 hours that cause me some concern;

First, while driving north on Nichols Road, I came up to a fresh red light at 347. Wasn't 30 seconds red when it turned green again. My lucky day I thought, and sure enough, in the rear view, I saw the Setauket FD ambulance about 5 cars behind, no lights or siren, but obviously working the MIRT to bypass the signal. I'm sure of it because south bound lights remained red. Let's give them a pass because just maybe they were in "quiet mode" on the way to the hospital.

Then not long after, while east on 25A, I saw a SFD truck (also no lights) behind a woman motorist with kids. FD driver sounded the siren & mom pulled over to let him pass. What I saw next shocked me. The guys in the cab cracked up laughing, mom was stuck on the side of the road since following traffic wouldn't let her back in, & the truck proceeded and eventually pulled in to the Old Town Road station.

Every organization has their knuckleheads, and I know for a fact that most of our firefighters are professional, level headed folk that I'd be proud to have live next door. But please, Setauket Fire Department, hold the few idiots accountable for their actions. Perhaps then more of us will trust your other decisions.

[Liar - Liar]

I'm smart enough to know that I don't know enough to even have an opinion about whether our FD needs a new building. I leave that decision to the people that run the department. They have the training & experience. Yet let me relate 2 observations that I made within the last 2 hours that cause me some concern;

First, while driving north on Nichols Road, I came up to a fresh red light at 347. Wasn't 30 seconds red when it turned green again. My lucky day I thought, and sure enough, in the rear view, I saw the Setauket FD ambulance about 5 cars behind, no lights or siren, but obviously working the MIRT to bypass the signal. I'm sure of it because south bound lights remained red. Let's give them a pass because just maybe they were in "quiet mode" on the way to the hospital.

Then not long after, while east on 25A, I saw a SFD truck (also no lights) behind a woman motorist with kids. FD driver sounded the siren & mom pulled over to let him pass. What I saw next shocked me. The guys in the cab cracked up laughing, mom was stuck on the side of the road since following traffic wouldn't let her back in, & the truck proceeded and eventually pulled in to the Old Town Road station.

Every organization has their knuckleheads, and I know for a fact that most of our firefighters are professional, level headed folk that I'd be proud to have live next door. But please, Setauket Fire Department, hold the few idiots accountable for their actions. Perhaps then more of us will trust your other decisions.

I'll answer your lies one by one, exactly as you lied when you typed them;

FIRST; all Setauket Fire District and Department vehicles equipped with MIRT are wired so the lights have to be on for the MIRT to be on, (the MIRT is wired through the lighting system so it cant be used when the overheads are off! So, as you so clearly stated; "I saw the Setauket FD ambulance about 5 cars behind, no lights or siren", well if you say there were no lights or siren, then they didn't use anything to bypass anything and your conclusions here are misguided, false or simply lies to inflame the general public - in any case you are a DUMBAZZ!

Not long after when you saw "a SFD truck (also no lights)", " the FD driver sounded the siren & mom pulled over to let him pass. What I saw next shocked me. The guys in the cab cracked up laughing". Yes, you did. I question your optimal vantage point in being able to capture this as it unfolded, including the laughter of the Firemen in the truck. Very common, as you probably have no idea, Firetrucks have the sirens mounted on the floor for hands free use when responding to calls, very often, newer Firemen - and yes occasionally even an "oldtimer" will step on the buttons by accident, and this is ALWAYS followed by a good natured laugh or two at the por idiot who activated the siren by accident, (somewhat embarassing - I've done it).

FINALLY: You said; "Every organization has their knuckleheads, and I know for a fact that most of our firefighters are professional, level headed folk that I'd be proud to have live next door. But please, Setauket Fire Department, hold the few idiots accountable for their actions. Perhaps then more of us will trust your other decisions".

Apparently you are right because the knucklhead from your organization was on Nicolls Rd and Route 25A yesterday and jumped to a few very opinionated decisions and one good old fashioned lie to trash some "supposedly" fellow Firefighters. Since you reached some very inconclusive "decisions" based on partial fabrication, and based on what you ASSume happened in both cases, we here t the Firehouse don't particularly want or need you to trust anything about our decisions in the future. You, and some of your Civic Association buddies jumped to very similar conclusions about a building that is necessary to the continued forward movement of the Fire Department, and the community at large. The Fire Department will move forward, albeit more slowly than we had hoped for, without the civics and without you. We remain strong, we remain Brother Fireifghters without you.

I thank you for this opportunity to so clearly rebut your lies and improper conclusions, write back again soon with more fuel for me to beat you down with, I appreciate it.

[PERFECT !]

I'll answer your lies one by one, exactly as you lied when you typed them;

FIRST; all Setauket Fire District and Department vehicles equipped with MIRT are wired so the lights have to be on for the MIRT to be on, (the MIRT is wired through the lighting system so it cant be used when the overheads are off! So, as you so clearly stated; "I saw the Setauket FD ambulance about 5 cars behind, no lights or siren", well if you say there were no lights or siren, then they didn't use anything to bypass anything and your conclusions here are misguided, false or simply lies to inflame the general public - in any case you are a DUMBAZZ!

Not long after when you saw "a SFD truck (also no lights)", " the FD driver sounded the siren & mom pulled over to let him pass. What I saw next shocked me. The guys in the cab cracked up laughing". Yes, you did. I question your optimal vantage point in being able to capture this as it unfolded, including the laughter of the Firemen in the truck. Very common, as you probably have no idea, Firetrucks have the sirens mounted on the floor for hands free use when responding to calls, very often, newer Firemen - and yes occasionally even an "oldtimer" will step on the buttons by accident, and this is ALWAYS followed by a good natured laugh or two at the por idiot who activated the siren by accident, (somewhat embarassing - I've done it).

FINALLY: You said; "Every organization has their knuckleheads, and I know for a fact that most of our firefighters are professional, level headed folk that I'd be proud to have live next door. But please, Setauket Fire Department, hold the few idiots accountable for their actions. Perhaps then more of us will trust your other decisions".

Apparently you are right because the knucklhead from your organization was on Nicolls Rd and Route 25A yesterday and jumped to a few very opinionated decisions and one good old fashioned lie to trash some "supposedly" fellow Firefighters. Since you reached some very inconclusive "decisions" based on partial fabrication, and based on what you ASSume happened in both cases, we here t the Firehouse don't particularly want or need you to trust anything about our decisions in the future. You, and some of your Civic Association buddies jumped to very similar conclusions about a building that is necessary to the continued forward movement of the Fire Department, and the community at large. The Fire Department will move forward, albeit more slowly than we had hoped for, without the civics and without you. We remain strong, we remain Brother Fireifghters without you.

I thank you for this opportunity to so clearly rebut your lies and improper conclusions, write back again soon with more fuel for me to beat you down with, I appreciate it.

Your answer to 1pOdm4 was not only on the money, but I applaud your use of the written word to knock the living crap out of some sh!t stirring, azz jockey. This guy is obviously not a Firefighter anywhere, and he obviously made up both little stories. The fact that you could prove the first was a lie and render the second just an innocent mistake is truly a credit to your service and to brother ff all over. Nice job!

[Unregistered33344444]

Yeah, and what would they find out? That a senior Dispatcher took a civil service exam and got her job - BEFORE her hubby was a Commissioner. OR That a young kid took a civil service test three years ago, and also BEFORE his Mom was a Commissioner and now he mops the floors. If thta's all you got numbnuts, then I suggest you get out your shovel and keep digging cause' that aint going to make anyone flinch or even look sideways at it.
Nice try though.

C'MON NOW, CIVIL SERVICE TESTS! HOW COME I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE BOFC AND NEVR HEARD BACK.

[UnregisteredFF12345]

C'MON NOW, CIVIL SERVICE TESTS! HOW COME I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THE BOFC AND NEVR HEARD BACK.

Because they hired the people you brought up instead of you! What are you stu-stu-stu-stupid? They don't have to hire in order from the list, and they can give preference by geographical area, etc. When there's a will there's a way. Not to mention you have shown you are a D!CK by bringing this up in an online forum as an attempt to embarrass someone, maybe that's why nobody likes you and why you cant get a decent job. Or, maybe you have some mental illness or substance abuse problems in your past and they didn't want to "take a chance on you"? Whatever the case, you didn't get hired - MOVE ON!

[Metal buildings Anyone?]

http://www.olympiabuildings.com/applications/ess_pubworks.html
http://www.usmetalbuildings.com/Fire-Station.htm
http://www.crownmetalbldg.com/

[Unregistered99991]

Your entire quote equals one commissioner saying -"I make a motion we expend all monies currently in the building fund towards the project". and a second to say- "I second that motion". All in favor, AYE. AND IT"S A DONE DEAL! So talk all you want about resolutions, time frames, committees whatever you want, it remains as simple as I stated.

ALL IN FAVOR - AYE ! One night, one vote, commissioners only, no public in closed session - DONE!

as a new commissioner from a south brookhaven department who had to attend the new "Manditory" commissioner training, YOUR RIGHT one motion one vote expend the building reserve fund and then raise taxes to fix the offset.

[Unregistered 7126492146]

Its already done. They will see shorty.

Oh I forgot. Ron FU

[Stop Dancing Around]

Its already done. They will see shorty.

Oh I forgot. Ron FU


I have a request of the Fire District; Stop dancing around with these hosebags and do what you need to do to make our Firefighters and thus our community safe for all. MOW DOWN THE "SUPPOSED" RUBBER HOUSES, call in an independant building inspector from another State who has NO POLITICAL ties to Brookhaven or NY Politicians or thier power. Hire that inspector to inspect the entire HQ building and produce a report on the status of Station one. As we all know, he will give a terrible account of the building as it is literally falling apart. Then, with the report in hand, apply or a permit to remove the entire station one building once and for all. Clear the entire lot from Main St all the back to the VFW property. Put in footings for a steel building and build the damn thing. 4 truck bays, a small office space and a kitchen with a small attached rec room. Then Blacktop the entire area we need for future use, plant grass and trees on the remainder of the lot. Move the District Offices to Station 3 or an alternate site, bring the Chiefs Offices, the Dispatchers and anyone else associated with the Fire District with you. Then buy a brand new sign for the OLD HQ and have it read, SUB Station # 1. Buy a larger sign for the current station # 3 building on Nicolls rd and rename the building SETAUKET FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS BUILDING. Make sure the new HQ sign has plenty of lighting so everyone passing on their way home can read it at night.

Why are you guys waiting, have the stones to defend your own organization against the miscreants from the civics that forced this isue to where it currently lies.

To recap:

1. Mow down "rubber" houses.
2. Mow down old HQ building.
3. Move out.
4. Put up steel building.
5. Rename Station # 3 as Headquarters.
6. Throw Ron and JJ out of Department!

[Unregistered FF 2]

I have a request of the Fire District; Stop dancing around with these hosebags and do what you need to do to make our Firefighters and thus our community safe for all. MOW DOWN THE "SUPPOSED" RUBBER HOUSES, call in an independant building inspector from another State who has NO POLITICAL ties to Brookhaven or NY Politicians or thier power. Hire that inspector to inspect the entire HQ building and produce a report on the status of Station one. As we all know, he will give a terrible account of the building as it is literally falling apart. Then, with the report in hand, apply or a permit to remove the entire station one building once and for all. Clear the entire lot from Main St all the back to the VFW property. Put in footings for a steel building and build the damn thing. 4 truck bays, a small office space and a kitchen with a small attached rec room. Then Blacktop the entire area we need for future use, plant grass and trees on the remainder of the lot. Move the District Offices to Station 3 or an alternate site, bring the Chiefs Offices, the Dispatchers and anyone else associated with the Fire District with you. Then buy a brand new sign for the OLD HQ and have it read, SUB Station # 1. Buy a larger sign for the current station # 3 building on Nicolls rd and rename the building SETAUKET FIRE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS BUILDING. Make sure the new HQ sign has plenty of lighting so everyone passing on their way home can read it at night.

Why are you guys waiting, have the stones to defend your own organization against the miscreants from the civics that forced this isue to where it currently lies.

To recap:

1. Mow down "rubber" houses.
2. Mow down old HQ building.
3. Move out.
4. Put up steel building.
5. Rename Station # 3 as Headquarters.
6. Throw Ron and JJ out of Department!

I could not agree more. We tried dialogue with them, we tried to have a special meeting where we attempted to give them an informative presentation , (only to be interupted 15 times), and we even tried to invite their leaders to our firehouse to show them first hand what this whole issue is about. They rebuffed us at every turn, then lied to the media and the taxpayers saying we were rushing the bond vote which was scheduled for 20 months, lied again saying we specifically scheduled the time frame to limit voter participation while there was nothing further from the truth. We have been patient to a fault, and tried to at every turn to include the civics, there response was to stab us in the back, lie about our project, our motives and our overall plan. Time to take the gloves off and exclude them from everything going forward. I agree with your post and I am in favor of your ideas one and all.

Commissioners - MOVE FORWARD !

[Unregistered Setauket FF]

I cant agree in principal to each and every thing listed above, (some are simply not going to happen), I do agree completely that the Fire Commissioners need to move forward quickly with some sort of move, if just to maintain the "appearance" that you are in charge of the District/Department. Currently it all but appears that you have been all but beaten by the civics. This is embarrassing to the members and the Department as a whole. I implore you to take some significant steps which will show the civic association that they shouldn't have medled in our business, nor portrayed us as the evil entity that they did.

[thissucks]

this sucks i quit. hehe

[UnregisteredFF Fed Up]

this sucks i quit. hehe

Ron, you quit? FINALLY!

If that's you JJ, we're happy about this as well!

[SOON !]

Soon all your prayers will be answered with regard to this one, something huge is in the works and the Civic Association will not be happy when it's all sdone. Once it is done you will see that the Commissioners were paying attention when the Civics pulled their bullsh!t on us. Cant wait!

During the first week of April you'll know.

[Setauket FF P/O'd]

Not soon enough for my liking. The vote for the bond issue was hijacked by the Local Civic Association because "they" didn't like the look of the firehouse to be built. Because "they" wanted a say in how big the Firehouse would be, and in fact wanted a say in all of the plans for the entire property. Then they balked at the tax hike of aprox. 300. per household on average - saying it was too much. I agree it was too much. The fire commissioners had planned on a large public meeting room with a kitchen, rest rooms etc. With which they expected to expand the public use of the firehouse as a meeting place for local, non sectarian groups. This room would also have been utilized for housing in the event that local homeowners were temporarily displaced due to natural disasters, hurricane, etc. The new building would have offered a new building as a cornerstone to the aging 25A/Main street area and given rise to property values of small business in the area. Any time you substantially improve on a property of that size it generally impacts the surreounding properties in like fashion. So now the "historic area" of Setauket will get a brand new Steel building, as this is all that can be afforded under the current budget and building fund. An ugly addition to a gentle and peaceful area - all because of the short sighted efforts of a few local residents who for some unknown reason feel they are priviledged or gifted with the right to interfere with another organizations affairs. I hope the new, (and ugly), steel building makes you all very proud of yourselves at the civic association. I think as a final measure to appease the civics the FD should make the steel building "GREEN" in color. It's the green building the civics intended but it will have to do!

[Unregisterednoybwia]

The supreme self rightous arrogance of the previous poster says it all. Want to persuade and impress? Keep your mouth shut. You do your cause no good by opening it.

[WHAT?????]

The supreme self rightous arrogance of the previous poster says it all. Want to persuade and impress? Keep your mouth shut. You do your cause no good by opening it.

You missed the point sucka, nobody is trying to persuade or impress anyone, the FD dealt with the Civic Association as a neighborhood association who's endless questions were always an annoyance, yet always answered in a timely and cordial manner. In response to our open minded and open door policy towards the Civic Assoc. they quietly planned a phone campaign which took place in the days before our Bond Vote took place and defeated our efforts to move forward into the 21st century. By doing so, they have now shown us their hand and their true face, not a good thing to do when we were still negotiating with them, (also in good faith), over their access to view the three small cottages behind station 01. Now, the FD membership and those in charge are sufficiently pissed off to simply demolish those houses, move our assets around in hopes of bettering our members and in turn our response to the communities needs, not the civic associations needs - THE COMMUNITIES NEEDS! This whole incident has the fingerprints of two former Firemen from our ranks, Ron D. and JJ Wasthiswitz, both have orchestrated underhanded efforts such as this in the past, both in public elections and in the FD. Most people here recognize that there should have been more dialogue and more sympathetic discussion with the civic association before the voting took place in an effort to give them a chance to discuss any misgivings about our plan. But as it were, we held over ten public meetings, a special presentation to the civics at MS Clark Library, and numerous other informative sessions. In each case, attendence was very limited and sometimes only Firefighters showed up. This became a big issue to the civics when they realized the vote was only a month away, then they wanted us to change the time table for construction, change our plans, change the building to a green building, etc. With the cost per square foot of new construction soaring each month, and with the absolutely ridiculous cost of building a "green" building, the commssioners decided to move forward with their plan, (which by all accounts locally was extremely well thought of), then the civics struck it down.

I dont blame the commissioners for adopting a "take no prisoners" type of stance following the way in which they were treated, instead I aplaud their efforts to continue moving forward - regardless of the hurdles the civics cast before them. Arrogance - yes, but not from the FD the arrogance comes from the civics, and they are about to see first hand that maybe it's better to talk things out - HONESTLY - with a community partner, rather than being underhanded and deceitful.

[Unregisteredwdycwif]

**During the first week of April you'll know.**
(yawn).....still waiting

[Looking out for #1]

They got a new building on Hulse Road. Well at least the rumor is the "district office and dispatchers" did. You know the paid people. I guess the vollies have to still contend with all of the "safety issues and hazards" mentioned in previous posts. Funny, who's running that place anyway. Take care of themselves and leave the real reason the place functions behind. Are you for real? Talk about wasted money!

[Wheels moving slowly]

While the wheels appear to be moving slowly, they are however moving in a proper direction for the Firefighter/Emt's. As rumored the District will move it's offices to Hulse Rd. - away from Main St and away from the Civic Association. This move will give the full time employees a place to do their work and the mechanics and other staff as well. The move towards anew firehouse at Old Town Rd and Rt 25A continues - go to the "special meetings" being advertised for more info on whats going on. This time around the Dsitrict will plan so many "special" meetings that the civics assoc wont be able to say they weren't informed or that the process is moving too quickly. All meetings are posted on the electronic boards and in the paper for proof that all were welcome and proof of how many meetings tooks place, etc.

[sssssssssssssssssssss]

stop stirring the pot Patty

[Get an Oar]

I say, get an Oar from your canoe and stir that pot in a big way!

As the Kool Aid Man says; "OHHHH - YEEEAAAAHHHHHH"!

[Yeah Baby!]

Ohhhhhh yeahhhhhh!

Like it!

[hooah!]

why doesnt setauket fire district let their taxpayers know how much time their men spend running up to bullshit alarms at the UNIVERSITY... a place which provides no $$$ to the fire district but which causes 3 to 10 calls per day

if i hear one more cooking alarm at chapin im going to scream... i thought these people were supposed to be doctors and scientists!!!!

[That Fat Azzz]

keep sweeping floors oh large mouth!!! This isnt even your department. Dont you get kicked out and booed out over every place you go. when will you go away........Ohhhhhhhhhh Yeeeaahhhh

[easy there]

look at the jackass running the place. or should i say running the place into the ground bob. when are the commissioners going to open there eyes and realize what that guy is doing there. hes it trying to make it his empire because he got fired from NYC EMS. Did you know bout that one?? Maybe they dont either. Hey has anyone checked on him is he really a paramedic? get him out and maybe things will start lookng up for the district. Put Dibiase back that would be more sound then what they got.

[Huh? Not again!]

look at the jackass running the place. or should i say running the place into the ground bob. when are the commissioners going to open there eyes and realize what that guy is doing there. hes it trying to make it his empire because he got fired from NYC EMS. Did you know bout that one?? Maybe they dont either. Hey has anyone checked on him is he really a paramedic? get him out and maybe things will start lookng up for the district. Put Dibiase back that would be more sound then what they got.

No matter who you put in that seat, they will all be better than Ron Dibiase was. Ron was the one who attempted to put himself above all others, who spoke to people in the Department and within the employ of the District as though they didn't matter at all. If Bob C. got fired in the past for some reason - who cares! Your idea is to throw someone out because the city of new york fired him, (your contention anyway), and hire a guy that we ourselves fired? That doesn't really make any sense at all Jay, or Brian, or Ron Himself or whatever shlt-stirring azzhole wrote the last post!

Here's a new one, get off the computer and go to the calls for a change! We can use a few more people responding to alarms and a few less typing nasty crap about people on here!

Hey, better yet, go steal a few tools somewhere, or go punch a wall or beat the wife, or go lie about your college degree or your experience to find gainful employment!

[yeah again]

The guy got fired for falsifying doucments. pretty sure hes gettin such a prett y salary for banging one of the commisioners. you tell me which one. you fn people are blind

[reeeally]

The guy got fired for falsifying doucments. pretty sure hes gettin such a prett y salary for banging one of the commisioners. you tell me which one. you fn people are blind

is this TRUE? is this a know fact? What type of documents? I heard somthing simular to this, but it was more along the lines of pushing through medics or something. dont he teach at USB?

[oh how nice]

is this TRUE? is this a know fact? What type of documents? I heard somthing simular to this, but it was more along the lines of pushing through medics or something. dont he teach at USB?

If he were fired for something relating to his Medic status....would he be allowed to still carry that title in Suffolk? And as far as the commissioner statement....banging one? fn lovely....i guess just add it to the list. what a piece of work bob! Unreal you are! Nasty old man!

[Unregistered1000]

If he were fired for something relating to his Medic status....would he be allowed to still carry that title in Suffolk? And as far as the commissioner statement....banging one? fn lovely....i guess just add it to the list. what a piece of work bob! Unreal you are! Nasty old man!

I wonder what commisioner he's banging...mmmmm, hey don't blame the guy for banging chicks at least he's not doing guys like one of the main a$$holes in the BOFC...you know, the fatty ass one???

[Unregistered1001]

I wonder what commisioner he's banging...mmmmm, hey don't blame the guy for banging chicks at least he's not doing guys **hold**holdke one of the main a$$holes in the BOFC...you know, the fatty ass one???

ahhh uh uh uh, thats nasty guy. hes banging that commisoner. foul very foul. it makes sense now looking back. aint he married maybe someone should let the wifey know this one all in all if he was fired for some sh*t in nyc, why is he prcaticing here. he works not only with our dept but with a few others pj, commack, dix hills and i thinnk northport. i dont think this shold be allowed to hold a card. i think this should be investigated. newsday we got anoyther story for u!!!

[Unregistered 1002]

see now before you write things you should get your story straight the reason he got the job was not because he slept with a commissioner it was because he gave that commissioners son a full time job in the district

[Unregistered 1003]

see now before you write things you should get your story straight the reason he got the job was not because he slept with a commissioner it was because he gave that commissioners son a full time job in the district

banging the old broad, giving the kid a full time job and up every females ass possible. son of a bitch has got milage, funny thing aint none of it worth even looking at. fire him hes bringing the district down

[Unregistered 1004]

banging the old broad, giving the kid a full time job and up every females ass possible. son of a bitch has got milage, funny thing aint none of it worth even looking at. fire him hes bringing the district down

Dirty Old man???? why are you letting this all continue. If you are all aware of this guys actions, why let it contiune? I read these posts in horror. I am thinking of inviting Newsday to your meetings. This District manager of yours needs some restrictions. I hear how the money has been flying out the door since this guy was hired. Some strong actions need to take place. Not only the spending but now is seems hes screwing anything that dosent run from him. Get some backbone people, this is your departments reputation!! Does this guy have a wife/family?? This is absolutley repulsive to hear and read!

[Unregistered 1005??]

keep your shriveled old d*ck in you pants or your own wifes ass scum bag

[Unregistered1006]

Dirty Old man???? why are you letting this all continue. If you are all aware of this guys actions, why let it contiune? I read these posts in horror. I am thinking of inviting Newsday to your meetings. This District manager of yours needs some restrictions. I hear how the money has been flying out the door since this guy was hired. Some strong actions need to take place. Not only the spending but now is seems hes screwing anything that dosent run from him. Get some backbone people, this is your departments reputation!! Does this guy have a wife/family?? This is absolutley repulsive to hear and read!

You are a bunch of a$$holes. First Ron and now Bob, trying to find dirt? How about exposing the dirt of your corrupt and 2 face board members? What’s the matter with you people? leave the guy alone, you think you are so prude… that’s his personal business. He can bang as many women as he wants, it’s none of your business, don’t blame him blame the females if anybody. What’s the matter? You are not happy because one of your inbreeds is not in charge?

[Unregistered 01]

What a bunch of dirty losers. The slimebag doing what he wants, wasting our money on all the paid people , fn up everything he can. and your defending that? This department has turned to shi*t since that waste has been there. the shit is true....he is married has a kid and is having affairs......thats right AFFAIRS. thats scum for you and this is what your standing up for? What kind of person is this? He just cost the district a few more thousand....... great job scope, putting ac units unprotected, unsupervised in a god damned parking lot. wise one guy wise one!! We spend all this money on putting cameras in every inch of every building, did that help? guess not. another waste. Why dont we have the fn cameras up in the district office? Oh thats right, no privacy for his nasty antics. Why does he need to bother us. Hes a complete worthless idiot. after hearing whats been heard and seein sh*t for myself get the hell out. do us a favor. Play parajackass somewhere else ya worthless clown.

[Unregisteredzzzzzzzz]

Oh ewwwww! Cooome on guys, this is NASTY! That guy is gross, I'd ventrue even to say somewhat gay!! Now havent you ever noticed the way he walks and talks....he reminds me of the gay guy on WBLI...ha ha.....Id be surprised if the wife even touches that wrinked sh*t....uuuuuughhhhhhhhhhh naaaaaaasty! He is probably posting all that shit about him self, ha ha ha. what a joke he is!!!! seriously people groooooossss.....nasty, Dont think hes a great District manager, but gay! Yeah I think he's gay!!!!

[Unregistered hmmmm]

Oh ewwwww! Cooome on guys, this is NASTY! That guy is gross, I'd ventrue even to say somewhat gay!! Now havent you ever noticed the way he walks and talks....he reminds me of the gay guy on WBLI...ha ha.....Id be surprised if the wife even touches that wrinked sh*t....uuuuuughhhhhhhhhhh naaaaaaasty! He is probably posting all that shit about him self, ha ha ha. what a joke he is!!!! seriously people groooooossss.....nasty, Dont think hes a great District manager, but gay! Yeah I think he's gay!!!!

Baaaaaahhh ha ha ha Is does seem gay!!!!! Too funny. too funny. Great an overspending queer is Setaukets District Manager! Oh sh*t thats some funny sh*t

[wahhhhh]

Keep it up with the rumors guys...it's sad the only thing you have against him is a few made-up stories. Sleeping with a commissioner??? Are you KIDDING??? Haha! Yeah, she's a real looker alright. Let's call this what it is. A handful of selfish members are mad because BC is running the district the way it needs to be run and he got hired because he GETS STUFF DONE. This is the way it works....He and the board have a responsibility to PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY with fire and ems service THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR (via tax dollars) and getting LITTLE TO NOTHING IN RETURN LATELY! The days of saying "I dont have to do ______ because i'm only a volunteer and I want to pick and choose which calls I go on so you'll have to excuse me" are OVER! How can a firefighter/emt who has raised their right hand and sworn to protect life and property be against something that is progressive in doing so? The only reason people are being paid is because it's hard for people to come out every time with having jobs and families and what not. SOMEONE has to answer the calls for help though! Stop being so selfish! If members came out for calls then no one would need to get paid. If you want to point fingers, look in the mirror. MANY MANY departments are busy and still manage to answer calls all the time (and not with only 3 guys who are all over 60).

[right right]

Keep it up with the rumors guys...it's sad the only thing you have against him is a few made-up stories. Sleeping with a commissioner??? Are you KIDDING??? Haha! Yeah, she's a real looker alright. Let's call this what it is. A handful of selfish members are mad because BC is running the district the way it needs to be run and he got hired because he GETS STUFF DONE. This is the way it works....He and the board have a responsibility to PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY with fire and ems service THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR (via tax dollars) and getting LITTLE TO NOTHING IN RETURN LATELY! The days of saying "I dont have to do ______ because i'm only a volunteer and I want to pick and choose which calls I go on so you'll have to excuse me" are OVER! How can a firefighter/emt who has raised their right hand and sworn to protect life and property be against something that is progressive in doing so? The only reason people are being paid is because it's hard for people to come out every time with having jobs and families and what not. SOMEONE has to answer the calls for help though! Stop being so selfish! If members came out for calls then no one would need to get paid. If you want to point fingers, look in the mirror. MANY MANY departments are busy and still manage to answer calls all the time (and not with only 3 guys who are all over 60).

True about the do nothings, but in all seriousness, dude is a lying, money spending fuck. And yeah gay too probably!!! ha ha

[Unregisteredi508956890u]

Keep it up with the rumors guys...it's sad the only thing you have against him is a few made-up stories. Sleeping with a commissioner??? Are you KIDDING??? Haha! Yeah, she's a real looker alright. Let's call this what it is. A handful of selfish members are mad because BC is running the district the way it needs to be run and he got hired because he GETS STUFF DONE. This is the way it works....He and the board have a responsibility to PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY with fire and ems service THAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR (via tax dollars) and getting LITTLE TO NOTHING IN RETURN LATELY! The days of saying "I dont have to do ______ because i'm only a volunteer and I want to pick and choose which calls I go on so you'll have to excuse me" are OVER! How can a firefighter/emt who has raised their right hand and sworn to protect life and property be against something that is progressive in doing so? The only reason people are being paid is because it's hard for people to come out every time with having jobs and families and what not. SOMEONE has to answer the calls for help though! Stop being so selfish! If members came out for calls then no one would need to get paid. If you want to point fingers, look in the mirror. MANY MANY departments are busy and still manage to answer calls all the time (and not with only 3 guys who are all over 60).

Well put....

[Unregistered0000000000000]

Well put....

That brought a tear to my eye!!! Blllllaaaa! Hes a do nothing b*tch, get rid of his sorry waste of wrinkled skin!!! God d*mned theif!

[UnregisteredShuuz up]

why does ANYONE pay this freakin guy any attention. hes a straight up *sshole. Ok so we know hes a f*ck up. Donest know what hes doing, is trying to build his own little world out of setauket fire department, i guess commack did pan out huh? piss off to many people there to....what a dumb *ss. Has anyone said boo to the board or do we just post teary messages here about what a scum bag he is??? glad this isnt my department. has any one said it to his face....SHUT UP then way to much attention for a way to UNDESERVING creature.

[registerme]

Exactly what are your complaints about what he is doing? Besides making broad, vague and childish statements...

[wonderingwhatstrue]

So lets hear it........Everyone that knows "something" about Bob...whats up...go with it. Name names, what has he done? I myself would love to hear it. Or is it all BS? He has stepped on some poeple throughout the years, and I would like to hear the truth about him, you all started it.......please finish it....

[Unregisteredonliiiiii]

It's all from a bunch of shit stirrers who have absolutely NOTHING good in their lives.

[Unregisteredohh]

It's all from a bunch of shit stirrers who have absolutely NOTHING good in their lives.

that is a little nicer to hear then. This is out of control.

[Bad People Over Here]

This is why most of the members don't hang around, they come to calls, then go home. Some dont even come to the calls. Anyone with a healthy family life and any sort of life at all will naturally shy away from this place. There are always four or five new guys, (five years or less), who continue to run into the firehouse and continue to make a gazillion calls. But there are just so many people who have been beat down by a few malcontents or Grumpy old men that they now just stay away. Cant blame them. As far as Bob being gay - It's not likely. He always seems a bit off, but I think he's just a little full of himself. As far as how he runs the District Offices and the notion that he's trying to create a small kingdom here in setauket - I think that description better fits the last DM Ron D. Now there was a guy who tried to make himself more important than he could possibly ever be, and what happened? History! Some don't like Bob C. because he says no and then he waits for you to try to end around on him and he says no again - pretty damn funny actually.

[Bob C. For Overboss]

I love it when Bob C. gets a good thumping on this site then he answers the post himself , (speaking as a third party), and disputes everything. Then he says; Bob's not a bad guy, he just doesn't let people get away with anything! Yeah, right!

The guy is a concieted doufus and needs to be shown the door.

[Un.......................]

I love it when Bob C. gets a good thumping on this site then he answers the post himself , (speaking as a third party), and disputes everything. Then he says; Bob's not a bad guy, he just doesn't let people get away with anything! Yeah, right!

The guy is a concieted doufus and needs to be shown the door.

And why is that? because he doesn't let you get away with the nonsense that you are so used to doing? Because he is on to your antics?

and BTW it's CONCEITED I before E except after C.....

[really???]

And why is that? because he doesn't let you get away with the nonsense that you are so used to doing? Because he is on to your antics?

and BTW it's CONCEITED I before E except after C.....

Now what would an ungly, big nosed, bald, beer bellied, sloppy looking guy like HIM have to be concEIted about anyway? And what has he done thats is so miraculous for the Department anyway? Sits in his office playing on his computer until its feeding time or should I say "social" time. Come we know what this loser is about. Its more about his lunch and dinner dates he is there for. What a loser

[Internet Priviledge]

And why is that? because he doesn't let you get away with the nonsense that you are so used to doing? Because he is on to your antics?

and BTW it's CONCEITED I before E except after C.....

and BTW, while typing on the internet it is common to mispell words, use all lower case, use anachronisms, and abreviations on a very regular basis.

So BTW, F#CK YOU !

[Un.......................]

and BTW, while typing on the internet it is common to mispell words, use all lower case, use anachronisms, and abreviations on a very regular basis.

So BTW, F#CK YOU !

So your saying it is alright to have misspelled words while on the internet? I am not talking about abbreviated internet words... like LOL, BTW, BRB, J/K BFF.

These are regular everyday words that are not internet words.
MISPELL? ABREVIATIONS? PRIVILEDGE?

This only confirms how ignorant you are. But we did know this already by the way you bash your fellow firefighter behind their back.

And BTW, there is no reason to end your statement in that manner. Did it make you feel big and tough?

[Unregistered Person #5500]

and BTW, while typing on the internet it is common to mispell words, use all lower case, use anachronisms, and abreviations on a very regular basis.

So BTW, F#CK YOU !

I agree, who cares if you mispelled a word or two. Your post was clear and concise enough to conveigh your message quite completely. Besides you must have struck a nerve judging by the reply you got! I don't agree with your final comments, but I guess the dope had it coming.

[Unregistereddumbasses]

Conveigh? I think you mean 'convey'.

Anachronism? I think you mean 'acronym'.

Nothing like the stupid criticizing the retarded.

[Stop it Dave !]

Look, nobody cares if the person doesn't spell quite as well as you. The point they made was clear, strong and on the money. Bob C. is attempting to move his position into a more powerful arena. He is a sneak, a liar, and he constantly pushes issues that deal with the "paid ambulance people". At some point one of the commissioners, chiefs is going to step on this guy and let some of his air out. Cant wait.

PS- Dave Stern should stop answering posts on here about Bob C. - What are you two sleeping together? I know you are close because every time Bob stops short they have to rush him to Stony Brook for Dave-ectomy.

[Too Damn Funny]

Look, nobody cares if the person doesn't spell quite as well as you. The point they made was clear, strong and on the money. Bob C. is attempting to move his position into a more powerful areba. He is a sneak, a liar, and he constantly pushes issues that deal with the "paid ambulance people". At some point one of the commissioners, chiefs is going to step on this guy and let some of his air out. Cant wait.

PS- Dave Stern should stop answering posts on here about Bob C. - What are you two sleeping together? I know you are close because every time Bob stops short they have to rush him to Stony Brook for Dave-ectomy.


I read this and laughed out loud. For anyone who knows them and has witnessed the azz kissing first hand, this was a classic. I really do not understand why Bob was hired in the first place, and I remain confused as to why the Commissioners allow him to voice so much at open meetings , etc. Also, why does the Chief continue to put up with his meddling and game playing. Simply draft a letter to the Board and read it at the next open meeting advising that Bob C. appears to be working at odds with the betterment of the Chiefs office and therefore the Fire Service. A letter such as this has always been the kiss of death for DM's in the Volunteer Fire Service - throughout long island.

[Dave-Ectomy Too Funny]

I read this and laughed out loud. For anyone who knows them and has witnessed the azz kissing first hand, this was a classic. I really do not understand why Bob was hired in the first place, and I remain confused as to why the Commissioners allow him to voice so much at open meetings , etc. Also, why does the Chief continue to put up with his meddling and game playing. Simply draft a letter to the Board and read it at the next open meeting advising that Bob C. appears to be working at odds with the betterment of the Chiefs office and therefore the Fire Service. A letter such as this has always been the kiss of death for DM's in the Volunteer Fire Service - throughout long island.

I have to agree, I've seen it myself and it was funny as hell to watch. I also agree that the Chief should put something in writing. It is always good to put people like Bob C.

[Rumor Has It 2]

Rumor has it that at the last Commissioners meeting Bob may have talked just a little too much, he forgets himself! Apparently he fought just a little too hard about the ems issues and got a few of the commish type people to start second guessing their decision to hire him in the first place. Just keep giving this guy rope - he will surely hang himself soon.

[Thank god]

Rumor has it that at the last Commissioners meeting Bob may have talked just a little too much, he forgets himself! Apparently he fought just a little too hard about the ems issues and got a few of the commish type people to start second guessing their decision to hire him in the first place. Just keep giving this guy rope - he will surely hang himself soon.

Lets hope.....lets hope!

[dosomething]

OK...so Bob's job is to NOT run the fire district and sit back and not be proactive and get things done? Is that what he was hired for? To do the popular thing instead of the right thing? The district is in the business of helping the community that provides them the money and support to operate in the first place. I don't see what is so hard for people to understand! Calls for HELP from OUR COMMUNITY (my family, your family, your neighbor) aren't being answered or aren't being answered in a timely fashion, and our EMTs are becoming less and less in number. Those who are responding are getting burned or obviously can't be around 24/7. Even if it's no fault of our own, we need help supplementing our EMS (for starters anyway). This is whats happening. We can all guess the "core" members that are posting on this thread from a certain station. Ultimately the equation is simple but I will lay it out for those hard of understanding....

We don't answer the calls for help efficiently (you know, that pesky oath when we raised our right hand) + Dwindling number of EMT's that are available during the day = The need for these calls to be answered SOMEHOW = We need paid supplementation!

We did this to ourselves people! You can't NOT show up for calls then bi#ch and moan when a process is put in place to fix it. It's not that people aren't showing up BECAUSE there's paid help....it's that there's paid help BECAUSE we weren't showing up!

[WRONG 5a2]

OK...so Bob's job is to NOT run the fire district and sit back and not be proactive and get things done? Is that what he was hired for? To do the popular thing instead of the right thing? The district is in the business of helping the community that provides them the money and support to operate in the first place. I don't see what is so hard for people to understand! Calls for HELP from OUR COMMUNITY (my family, your family, your neighbor) aren't being answered or aren't being answered in a timely fashion, and our EMTs are becoming less and less in number. Those who are responding are getting burned or obviously can't be around 24/7. Even if it's no fault of our own, we need help supplementing our EMS (for starters anyway). This is whats happening. We can all guess the "core" members that are posting on this thread from a certain station. Ultimately the equation is simple but I will lay it out for those hard of understanding....

We don't answer the calls for help efficiently (you know, that pesky oath when we raised our right hand) + Dwindling number of EMT's that are available during the day = The need for these calls to be answered SOMEHOW = We need paid supplementation!

We did this to ourselves people! You can't NOT show up for calls then bi#ch and moan when a process is put in place to fix it. It's not that people aren't showing up BECAUSE there's paid help....it's that there's paid help BECAUSE we weren't showing up!

none of this has to do with the paid people. it has to do with bobs overpaid salary, spending habits and personal habits. Get him the hell out of there. Thats what this has to do with so stop your ass kissin little bob hemmroids!!!!

[bobbobobobob]

How is he overpaid (it's a civil service job) and what are his habits that you don't like? Let's hear specifics instead of making broad and vague statements. And yes, it is about the paid people because guys are whining like c u next tuesdays about them and how he's running the DISTRICT side...or better yet, attend a board meeting or dept meeting and voice your displeasure.

[the old guy upstairs]

How is he overpaid (it's a civil service job) and what are his habits that you don't like? Let's hear specifics instead of making broad and vague statements. And yes, it is about the paid people because guys are whining like c u next tuesdays about them and how he's running the DISTRICT side...or better yet, attend a board meeting or dept meeting and voice your displeasure.

hes making a very nice $90,000.00 he never took any civil service test to get in. He was just a paramedic and applied for district manager with NO EXPERIENCE!. he already had an in which makes it (AS SOME OTHER 2-3 EMPLOYEES THERE) a very unfair advantage. his 1st year in he got a $15,000.00 raise? FOR WHAT? He aint worth that and the guy does whatever he please. come on.......how many times a day is he gone, not at any other stations! or hes outside for 30 minutes a clip talking on his cell phone. Whats with him showing up at 2am?? what was he doing then? he abuses privalages. This is our deparment not for him to be comming and going as id he owns the place whetever happened to business hours?

[Unregistered123456]

are you sure he got a raise and the district likes to hire people they are related to, im not sure how the people who are outsider got their jobs

[whatsittoyou]

No Experience? Do you even know him or what he's done? Or are you just unhappy WITH the decisions themselves that have been made through him? They're two very different things....

oh and here's the required knowledge for fire district manager copied from suffolk civil service web site...

"FULL PERFORMANCE KNOWLEDGES, SKILLS, ABILITIES AND PERSONAL CHARACTERISTICS

Thorough knowledge of federal, state and local laws regarding the operations and financial record-keeping of a fire district; thorough knowledge of modern business and public administration procedures; thorough knowledge of the methods and procedures used in the preparation of budgets; good knowledge of public personnel procedures and practices; good knowledge of purchasing and accounting methods and report preparation; ability to plan, assign, and direct the work of a fire district staff in a manner conducive to full performance and high morale"

If you knew what went on, you'd see he's a good pick for the job. Even if you don't think so, he was APPOINTED by the elected officials of the BOFC so vote them out if you're bitter about something.

And his business habits that you think are unusual (if the still vague and minor accusations are even true) are getting things done. He's a PROACTIVE guy and wants the betterment of the district. As for business hours, things arise that the DM needs to take care of that never trickle down to the members' ears. The fire service is a 24/7 operation, don't forget. Things happen after "normal business hours" all the time. It's STILL "our department" and I don't see the logic in any of your points, really. Ask yourself as a member who has sworn to protect and do whats best for the community...."Is the community safer/better served/getting more efficiency now or before?" The answer is now.

[sickofyouidiots]

No Experience? Do you even know him or what he's done? Or are you just unhappy WITH the decisions themselves that have been made through him? They're two very different things....

oh and here's the required knowledge for fire district manager copied from suffolk civil service web site...

"FULL PERFORMANCE KNOWLEDGES, SKILLS, ABILITIES AND PERSONAL CHARACTERISTICS

Thorough knowledge of federal, state and local laws regarding the operations and financial record-keeping of a fire district; thorough knowledge of modern business and public administration procedures; thorough knowledge of the methods and procedures used in the preparation of budgets; good knowledge of public personnel procedures and practices; good knowledge of purchasing and accounting methods and report preparation; ability to plan, assign, and direct the work of a fire district staff in a manner conducive to full performance and high morale"

If you knew what went on, you'd see he's a good pick for the job. Even if you don't think so, he was APPOINTED by the elected officials of the BOFC so vote them out if you're bitter about something.

And his business habits that you think are unusual (if the still vague and minor accusations are even true) are getting things done. He's a PROACTIVE guy and wants the betterment of the district. As for business hours, things arise that the DM needs to take care of that never trickle down to the members' ears. The fire service is a 24/7 operation, don't forget. Things happen after "normal business hours" all the time. It's STILL "our department" and I don't see the logic in any of your points, really. Ask yourself as a member who has sworn to protect and do whats best for the community...."Is the community safer/better served/getting more efficiency now or before?" The answer is now.

JOB DESCRITPTION:
"Thorough knowledge of federal, state and local laws regarding the operations and financial record-keeping of a fire district" -NO EXPERIENCE

"thorough knowledge of modern business and public administration procedures" -NO EXPERIENCE

"thorough knowledge of the methods and procedures used in the preparation of budgets; good knowledge of public personnel procedures and practices; good knowledge of purchasing and accounting methods and report preparation" -NO EXPERIENCE

ability to plan, assign, and direct the work of a fire district staff in a manner conducive to full performance and high morale -HIS ONLY EXPERIENCE!!!!

BUSINESS HOURS:
showing up at 2am, with NO NEED, REASON, OR EXCUSE TO BE THERE!!! Is a PROBLEM!

getting busted screwing around with staff in the storage area -BIG PROBLEM!!!!!!! And there are much much more....

[just go away]

Like I said, you clearly don't know about his experience. He's worked for MANY "emergency services businesses" or fire districts and the like and helped shape successful programs within those districts. Probably picked up a thing or two along the way i'm guessing. Also did you know he helped start one of the big private ambulance companies back in the day? I think that takes some knowledge as well as gives him some experience. As for "getting busted screwing around with staff in the storage area" give me a break haha. All these "stories" are so full of holes it's ridiculous. Clearly you're disgruntled about something.

["clearly"]

Like I said, you clearly don't know about his experience. He's worked for MANY "emergency services businesses" or fire districts and the like and helped shape successful programs within those districts. Probably picked up a thing or two along the way i'm guessing. Also did you know he helped start one of the big private ambulance companies back in the day? I think that takes some knowledge as well as gives him some experience. As for "getting busted screwing around with staff in the storage area" give me a break haha. All these "stories" are so full of holes it's ridiculous. Clearly you're disgruntled about something.

Clearly your BOB or CLEARLY your one of his Buddies. because, its clearly known that he clearly says clearly entirely TO MUCH!!!!!! idiot!!!

[doesnt even make sense]

Oh no, yeah you're right. He actually trademarked the use of the word "clearly" and even though I've said it only twice, it means that I'm either him or his buddy HAHA! I've actually never heard him say that since I've known him, but I'll take your word for it. Get lost, dept loser. You don't like him, go to a BOFC meeting or complain via the chain of command. Apparently you seem to "know" all these things about him that no one else does. Weird, huh?

[GOT TO YA HUH!]

Oh no, yeah you're right. He actually trademarked the use of the word "clearly" and even though I've said it only twice, it means that I'm either him or his buddy HAHA! I've actually never heard him say that since I've known him, but I'll take your word for it. Get lost, dept loser. You don't like him, go to a BOFC meeting or complain via the chain of command. Apparently you seem to "know" all these things about him that no one else does. Weird, huh?

CLEARLY!!!
THAT WOULD BE YOU WHO "CLEARLY" KNOWS ALL THESE THINGS ABOUT HIM...I MEAN YOU......... BOB!

[what does that even mean]

That doesn't even make sense. And no, i'm just someone who knows bob from being in the dept =) If you were active in it also, you'd see the big picture.

[rogerthatover]

That doesn't even make sense. And no, i'm just someone who knows bob from being in the dept =) If you were active in it also, you'd see the big picture.

so you too are sleeping with the old bastard....ha ah ah aha ha ha ha just part of the game....sleeeezy

[Unregisteredclearly]

All of the above complaining is "CLEARLY" coming from someone who can no longer do what he was doing. Bob and the BOFC must be on to his antics.. CLEARLY!!

[clearlystated]

All of the above complaining is "CLEARLY" coming from someone who can no longer do what he was doing. Bob and the BOFC must be on to his antics.. CLEARLY!!

ohhhh, hold on, my stomach is still hurting from laughing so hard..... AS IF BOB HAS GOT ANY AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just just the big lump in the chair playing with himself pissing away money

[teeeheeee]

ohhhh, hold on, my stomach is still hurting from laughing so hard..... AS IF BOB HAS GOT ANY AUTHORITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just just the big lump in the chair playing with himself pissing away money

"big lump" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

[THUMPTHUMP]

"big lump" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

this guy is getting his a** beat up here !! dont think it will make him grow up, change, or stop his sh*t....pay him no attention. he is NOT worth a thought

[DO SOMETHING!]

Stop complaining like a bunch of CUNextTuesdayS! It is what it is with Bob and the BOFC. He's never done anything wrong by me and as far as I know he's doing his job well. Probably some of the do-nothings, ex or current disgruntled employees (if so why are you even still working there), members who don't want the advancement and better service of the department or junior guys complaining. Go on a run, check your rig, and get in the sink!

[Unregisteredclearly]

Stop complaining like a bunch of CUNextTuesdayS! It is what it is with Bob and the BOFC. He's never done anything wrong by me and as far as I know he's doing his job well. Probably some of the do-nothings, ex or current disgruntled employees (if so why are you even still working there), members who don't want the advancement and better service of the department or junior guys complaining. Go on a run, check your rig, and get in the sink!

I am not saying that Bob might not be doing the right thing but just like I said before: "All of the above complaining is "CLEARLY" coming from someone who can no longer do what he was doing. Bob and the BOFC must be on to his antics.. CLEARLY!!"

The ones complaining are the ones who are getting their BALLS broken...

Maybe it's a good thing.

[soclear]

I am not saying that Bob might not be doing the right thing but just like I said before: "All of the above complaining is "CLEARLY" coming from someone who can no longer do what he was doing. Bob and the BOFC must be on to his antics.. CLEARLY!!"

The ones complaining are the ones who are getting their BALLS broken...

Maybe it's a good thing.

the bofc hate him to, get real ASSKISSER!! the defender of the power to be, your not going to get a raise and your still not going to get your health insurance through us because bob is sucking up to the bofc for you. are you guys gay?

[Unregistered67534]

I guarantee the ones spreading the nonsense and vague statements and accusations are the weirdo station 1 junior guys/probies that are miffed because they say THEIR ems calls are taken over with the paid staff. Get in the sink and start thinking of the community instead of yourselves!

[Unregisteredclearly]

the bofc hate him to, get real ASSKISSER!! the defender of the power to be, your not going to get a raise and your still not going to get your health insurance through us because bob is sucking up to the bofc for you. are you guys gay?

Why would the bofc hate him they hired him. they can fire him. so i don't think they hate him that much.

[Easy Pickens']

I love it when someone comes on this site and writes/expresses something that he/she says on a regular basis, (probably without even knowing it), and fully exposes themselves to everyone while in the process of bashing someone. The only thing worse is when they try to give advice to everyone. Like the stupid, know it all, newbies from station 2.
Like anyone "really" listens to a guy in his third year anyway! Those guys think because they are active now, like EVERYONE was when they were the new guy, that they are breaking new ground or something? Wake up fellas, we all banged out a gazillion calls in our first four - six years. Lets see if you are still this active at eleven or fifteen years, then we'll all be impressed. In the mean time, SHUT UP PROBIE - and if you got your badge in the last three or four years then - SHUT UP NEW GUY!

[Huhhhhh]

I love it when someone comes on this site and writes/expresses something that he/she says on a regular basis, (probably without even knowing it), and fully exposes themselves to everyone while in the process of bashing someone. The only thing worse is when they try to give advice to everyone. Like the stupid, know it all, newbies from station 2.
Like anyone "really" listens to a guy in his third year anyway! Those guys think because they are active now, like EVERYONE was when they were the new guy, that they are breaking new ground or something? Wake up fellas, we all banged out a gazillion calls in our first four - six years. Lets see if you are still this active at eleven or fifteen years, then we'll all be impressed. In the mean time, SHUT UP PROBIE - and if you got your badge in the last three or four years then - SHUT UP NEW GUY!

what the hell are you jabbering about. you obviously have your own grips with memebers. none of the past page of rants has anything to do with whatever it is your crying about

[Unregistered???]

?

[Unregistered5a296]

Everyone here is spreading rumors about this jackoff so I will state a Fact.....ask your shining example of leadership why he doesnt work at Jamaica Hospital anymore or better yet why dont you ask him why he can't teach CPR anymore. Kinda odd for the super qualified paramedic not to be able to teach a simple skill such as CPR.
Or better yet ask how faithful this POS has been to his wife with all of his "ride alongs"

Lastly if you are reading this bob remember the skeletons in your past are many and Im sure the BOFC would love to hear the BS you were involved in....maybe background checks should be preformed prior to employment

[Tell it !]

Everyone here is spreading rumors about this jackoff so I will state a Fact.....ask your shining example of leadership why he doesnt work at Jamaica Hospital anymore or better yet why dont you ask him why he can't teach CPR anymore. Kinda odd for the super qualified paramedic not to be able to teach a simple skill such as CPR.
Or better yet ask how faithful this POS has been to his wife with all of his "ride alongs"

Lastly if you are reading this bob remember the skeletons in your past are many and Im sure the BOFC would love to hear the BS you were involved in....maybe background checks should be preformed prior to employment

If you are certain of your allegations against this guy then simply tell us what he did and why! Stop being a little B!tch and spill the beans - otherwise just shut the F*CK up because you are getting VERY boring.

[Be a Man you wimp]

Be a man instead of a little whiny wimp and just tell everybody what the hell you keep blabbering about . . . PLEASE !

[WOOOOOW]

Everyone here is spreading rumors about this jackoff so I will state a Fact.....ask your shining example of leadership why he doesnt work at Jamaica Hospital anymore or better yet why dont you ask him why he can't teach CPR anymore. Kinda odd for the super qualified paramedic not to be able to teach a simple skill such as CPR.
Or better yet ask how faithful this POS has been to his wife with all of his "ride alongs"

Lastly if you are reading this bob remember the skeletons in your past are many and Im sure the BOFC would love to hear the BS you were involved in....maybe background checks should be preformed prior to employment

I guess alot more people know the truth then was thought!!! Yikes, I didnt realize this was the real Bob. How sad.........But this is true.

[laughingat the POS]

Everyone here is spreading rumors about this jackoff so I will state a Fact.....ask your shining example of leadership why he doesnt work at Jamaica Hospital anymore or better yet why dont you ask him why he can't teach CPR anymore. Kinda odd for the super qualified paramedic not to be able to teach a simple skill such as CPR.
Or better yet ask how faithful this POS has been to his wife with all of his "ride alongs"

Lastly if you are reading this bob remember the skeletons in your past are many and Im sure the BOFC would love to hear the BS you were involved in....maybe background checks should be preformed prior to employment

involved ??????? How about currently. Why dont you tell eveyone BOB whats going on. You can talk a great game but when push comes to shove your shoved hard! has anyone noticed a familiaur face missing lately why dont you tell evreyone what you did to her jackass! and the "current happenings" trust me guys his wife KNOWS WHAT HE IS ABOUT

[Unlaughing]

Nice story in Newsday today. That new firehouse is DOA.

[Unregisteredlol]

Yep, sure is dead in the water now!

[Unregisteredumbanddumber]

The Commissioners must be listening to the wrong lawyer.

[Illiterate FF's]

The last three posters must be illiterate or just failed reading comprehension in grammar school.

This editorial was simply one further attempt by the Civic Association to kill this firehouse plan. Why? Because they want to have a say in what the firehouse will look like, how it will run and in what is done with the remainder of the property. The Civic association, (in this entire situation), has acted like the spoiled child who refuses to accept the answer given by the parent - "NO".

I don't think this editorial or even six more like it will sway the solidarity of the Fire Commissioners. They have acted in good faith, kept the community at large in the loop, and bent over backwards for the Civic Association. But as with a spoiled child, whenever you give an inch, the spoiled child is not satisfied they simply want more and more. This has been rpoven to be the case with regard to the Civics. If the Commissioners were to cow tow to the Civics now, then they should just fold up shop and let the civics run the entire community as they see fit. This is just one more organization that feels some sort of entitlement to speak on the behalf of EVERYONE ELSE. When does this end?

Here's a valid question for the Civic Association:

Why dont you let the longest running organization in the Three Village areas run the show for themselves?

The Fire Depatment has been running for 100 years, long before you were even a thought. So why not leave them alone, stop casting this as a battle you must win, and be fair, honest, and supportive of a great community organization. Instead of trying to take over and assume that somehow you are smarter. better, and more instinctive of the needs of a Fire Department.
Grow flowers, plant them, make our community as pretty as you want, but when it comes to the management of an emergency service organization - back off and leave to those who have been doing this for all these years.

[Response to Bob Bashers]

In response to the "Bob Bashers". Grow up whomever you are. We all have things we have done for which we are not proud of and would like to forget. If every person who cheated on their spouse, lost a job, or had a bad day and said something they regretted saying was outed the the world would be a far worse place than it currently is. Your constant attacks on this guy are borderline stalking/harrassment. If you dont like the guy, fine, but to continue in your ridiculous attempts to embarass him, his family etc. is just stupid. Maybe instead we need to talk about how crappy the Fire Chief's Office was run between 01/01/2006 through 12/31/2007. Or maybe we can talk about what that ex chief is doing now - career wise, etc. Or maybe we can talk about his brothers - all of them! You see it isn't smart to throw rocks when you live in a glass house. Even if the glass house is owned by your wife and not you! So take a moment to think about why you are doing this and grow up!

[DONE AGAIN]

Get off here and go face to face....

[Undumdum]

The last three posters must be illiterate or just failed reading comprehension in grammar school.

This editorial was simply one further attempt by the Civic Association to kill this firehouse plan. Why? Because they want to have a say in what the firehouse will look like, how it will run and in what is done with the remainder of the property. The Civic association, (in this entire situation), has acted like the spoiled child who refuses to accept the answer given by the parent - "NO".

I don't think this editorial or even six more like it will sway the solidarity of the Fire Commissioners. They have acted in good faith, kept the community at large in the loop, and bent over backwards for the Civic Association. But as with a spoiled child, whenever you give an inch, the spoiled child is not satisfied they simply want more and more. This has been rpoven to be the case with regard to the Civics. If the Commissioners were to cow tow to the Civics now, then they should just fold up shop and let the civics run the entire community as they see fit. This is just one more organization that feels some sort of entitlement to speak on the behalf of EVERYONE ELSE. When does this end?

Here's a valid question for the Civic Association:

Why dont you let the longest running organization in the Three Village areas run the show for themselves?

The Fire Depatment has been running for 100 years, long before you were even a thought. So why not leave them alone, stop casting this as a battle you must win, and be fair, honest, and supportive of a great community organization. Instead of trying to take over and assume that somehow you are smarter. better, and more instinctive of the needs of a Fire Department.
Grow flowers, plant them, make our community as pretty as you want, but when it comes to the management of an emergency service organization - back off and leave to those who have been doing this for all these years.


Reality check time: the last proposal was defeated by a 9-1 margin. Like I said, DOA.

[lenny73747]

Just remember to check fully for any extension. Open up as many walls as you can.

Swing that ax hard in the civics houses

[laughing at you]

In response to the "Bob Bashers". Grow up whomever you are. We all have things we have done for which we are not proud of and would like to forget. If every person who cheated on their spouse, lost a job, or had a bad day and said something they regretted saying was outed the the world would be a far worse place than it currently is. Your constant attacks on this guy are borderline stalking/harrassment. If you dont like the guy, fine, but to continue in your ridiculous attempts to embarass him, his family etc. is just stupid. Maybe instead we need to talk about how crappy the Fire Chief's Office was run between 01/01/2006 through 12/31/2007. Or maybe we can talk about what that ex chief is doing now - career wise, etc. Or maybe we can talk about his brothers - all of them! You see it isn't smart to throw rocks when you live in a glass house. Even if the glass house is owned by your wife and not you! So take a moment to think about why you are doing this and grow up!

Now how can you call them "bob basher", bob a** kisser?? this is no bashing, they are saying what he has done, been involved in, is currently involved in and what he is all about. if it were bashing THEN HE SHOULD Not or SHOULDNT have done all that they are INFORMING people who have a right to know about. He got fired for realatively, of a big issue. Im assuming that SCEMS dosent know about this. His "ride alongs" along with other SFD emoloyees, PJVAC, commack, Dix Hills and Jamaica Hospital, are just the begining of his long list of infidelity problems. so, little bob-hemmoriod, find another person to protect. He has made his own bed and he will lie in it! ANOTHER FINE DISATER BY CAVALIERIE

[UnregisteredWOW]

Setauket-East Setauket is located at 40°55′48″N, 73°6′7″W (40.930007, -73.102081)[1].

According to the United States Census Bureau, the CDP has a total area of 9.3 square miles (24.0 km²), of which, 8.5 square miles (21.9 km²) of it is land and 0.8 square miles (2.1 km²) of it (8.64%) is water.

The village of Setauket is located on the North Shore of Long Island in central Suffolk County. Part of Brookhaven's Three Village area, Setauket varies considerably as one travels north to south. In Setauket's Old Field there are wealthy waterfront estates on Long Island Sound, many from earlier decades. There is a New England style village green with a mill pond and park, a quaint post office, and the Caroline Church, built in 1729, and the Setauket Presbyterian Church established in 1660 . The Emma S. Clark Library, also on the Village Green is often considered one of the best on Long Island. During the American Revolutionary War, a small skirmish was fought on the village green, with some of the bullets embedded into the walls of Caroline Church.

[Still Laaaughing]

Setauket-East Setauket is located at 40°55′48″N, 73°6′7″W (40.930007, -73.102081)[1].

According to the United States Census Bureau, the CDP has a total area of 9.3 square miles (24.0 km²), of which, 8.5 square miles (21.9 km²) of it is land and 0.8 square miles (2.1 km²) of it (8.64%) is water.

The village of Setauket is located on the North Shore of Long Island in central Suffolk County. Part of Brookhaven's Three Village area, Setauket varies considerably as one travels north to south. In Setauket's Old Field there are wealthy waterfront estates on Long Island Sound, many from earlier decades. There is a New England style village green with a mill pond and park, a quaint post office, and the Caroline Church, built in 1729, and the Setauket Presbyterian Church established in 1660 . The Emma S. Clark Library, also on the Village Green is often considered one of the best on Long Island. During the American Revolutionary War, a small skirmish was fought on the village green, with some of the bullets embedded into the walls of Caroline Church.

and the sky is blue jack*ss! your point would be what, bearer of usless information.

[iknowwhatyoudid]

and the sky is blue jack*ss! your point would be what, bearer of usless information.


the point is still that the DM suuuuuuucks!! loser liar and runs around on his wife... hey have you gals met? maybe we should get em together!

[socurious]

the point is still that the DM suuuuuuucks!! loser liar and runs around on his wife... hey have you gals met? maybe we should get em together!

How do you know this? Who are these people hes running around with? The guy is full of himself by all means, and maybe a woman chaser (or animal chaser) but uhh I think its safe that hes not gettin any return responses. so let him sit in him 70's paneled office, doing NOTHING all day long, except jump up when a call sounds good. Is that part of the job description paragoding while supposed to be pushing a pencil? everyone is crying no paid ems but this joker goes out on calls. WHY PEOPLE!?!?!?!?

[Watcher of losers]

How do you know this? Who are these people hes running around with? The guy is full of himself by all means, and maybe a woman chaser (or animal chaser) but uhh I think its safe that hes not gettin any return responses. so let him sit in him 70's paneled office, doing NOTHING all day long, except jump up when a call sounds good. Is that part of the job description paragoding while supposed to be pushing a pencil? everyone is crying no paid ems but this joker goes out on calls. WHY PEOPLE!?!?!?!?

Why? because the most horrendous department on LI (Setauket) can not or does not respond to any of their calls. It is embarrassing to be your neighbor!

[Unregisterednow or then]

Just ask around, bob's history sucks. From selling CPR cards, tobeing fired at LifeStar after several months of running it into the ground. Ask people that really know his history, his wfie would never had stayed with him then or now.....

[ASKINGGG]

Just ask around, bob's history sucks. From selling CPR cards, tobeing fired at LifeStar after several months of running it into the ground. Ask people that really know his history, his wfie would never had stayed with him then or now.....

well you havent the correct information. althought its gets more interesting, "selling" cpr, always trying to benefit from something arent you bob!! his wfie knows all about his crap, its all out.......ask, ask is right, right bob why dont you share you and your wifes recent ISSUES!!!

[Watching it fall]

well you havent the correct information. althought its gets more interesting, "selling" cpr, always trying to benefit from something arent you bob!! his wfie knows all about his crap, its all out.......ask, ask is right, right bob why dont you share you and your wifes recent ISSUES!!!

so true. lets just say agg. harr. charges. And alot of stories flying all over the brook. This is one UGLY situation

[Unregistered888]

All this crap about the DM is an effort to cover up the real problem; The Setauket Vollies DO NOT GO ON CALLS, fire or otherwise. If they did, we would not need the paid guys. Period.....

A working fire, on a Sunday morning at 10a. No one shows as they are all at church of course.

The trucks are simply collectibles, never really to be used. Lets just go and clean and handle them, clean the equipment and put it away until the next time.


Stop bitchin about the DM and worry about responding

[Unregistered9999]

All this crap about the DM is an effort to cover up the real problem; The Setauket Vollies DO NOT GO ON CALLS, fire or otherwise. If they did, we would not need the paid guys. Period.....

A working fire, on a Sunday morning at 10a. No one shows as they are all at church of course.

The trucks are simply collectibles, never really to be used. Lets just go and clean and handle them, clean the equipment and put it away until the next time.


Stop bitchin about the DM and worry about responding

IT JUST PROVES THERE ARE MAJOR PROBLEMS FROM THE SO CALLED TOP RIGHT DOWN TO THE VOLLIES. EXPAND NEIGHBORING DEPTS. THAT PLACE IS A SHAME. THAT SLOB RUNNING THE PLACE INTO THE GROUND AS HE DOES HIS LIFE. AND THE GD VOLLIES LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OF DAMNED FOOLS CRY WE WANT WE WANT AND DOING NOTHING.

[Morons]

IT JUST PROVES THERE ARE MAJOR PROBLEMS FROM THE SO CALLED TOP RIGHT DOWN TO THE VOLLIES. EXPAND NEIGHBORING DEPTS. THAT PLACE IS A SHAME. THAT SLOB RUNNING THE PLACE INTO THE GROUND AS HE DOES HIS LIFE. AND THE GD VOLLIES LOOKING LIKE A BUNCH OF DAMNED FOOLS CRY WE WANT WE WANT AND DOING NOTHING.

I found your choice of words quite interesting - they give you away.

The people currently "at the top" are constantly contending with the mistakes, carelessness, lies and lazy Chief we had during the previous two years. He did nothing, does nothing, yet every meeting he tries to beat up the new Chief, whom we all know inherited each of the problems the old Chief brings up. The problems are not new, only the Chief is new and frankly the criticism of him by the previous Chief began at the March meeting - when the new guy had completed only two months as Chief. I find it completely disengenuous to constantly berate the guy in charge when he is still learning the job he has and he is at least trying to rectify the many problems of the past administrations.

The District has shown they are finally responsive to members equipment needs, EMS etc. and the new Chief has gotten this done. He has also addressed the ID card problem and many other items - all in an effort to boost moral and in doing so boost response. Lets face it, we responded under Kevin "The Dictator" Yoos, and we also responded under Paul "I think I'm great" Dibiase, so lets at least give the new guy one full year before we hack him to pieces. I am.

[thats GREAAAT]

I found your choice of words quite interesting - they give you away.

The people currently "at the top" are constantly contending with the mistakes, carelessness, lies and lazy Chief we had during the previous two years. He did nothing, does nothing, yet every meeting he tries to beat up the new Chief, whom we all know inherited each of the problems the old Chief brings up. The problems are not new, only the Chief is new and frankly the criticism of him by the previous Chief began at the March meeting - when the new guy had completed only two months as Chief. I find it completely disengenuous to constantly berate the guy in charge when he is still learning the job he has and he is at least trying to rectify the many problems of the past administrations.

The District has shown they are finally responsive to members equipment needs, EMS etc. and the new Chief has gotten this done. He has also addressed the ID card problem and many other items - all in an effort to boost moral and in doing so boost response. Lets face it, we responded under Kevin "The Dictator" Yoos, and we also responded under Paul "I think I'm great" Dibiase, so lets at least give the new guy one full year before we hack him to pieces. I am.



THAT WAS REALLY TOUCHING........TO BAD HES ALREADY WASTED NEARLY 3 YEARS OF OUR TIME AND MONEY! AND ACCORDING TO HIM OR HIS PERSONAL HEMROID "HE HAS MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE" IF HE CANT FIGURE HIS JOB OUT BY NOW GUY....NO DIAGRAM IS GONNA HELP THE BLIND

[Unregistered Touching]

THAT WAS REALLY TOUCHING........TO BAD HES ALREADY WASTED NEARLY 3 YEARS OF OUR TIME AND MONEY! AND ACCORDING TO HIM OR HIS PERSONAL HEMROID "HE HAS MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE" IF HE CANT FIGURE HIS JOB OUT BY NOW GUY....NO DIAGRAM IS GONNA HELP THE BLIND

You probably spend a lot of time touching yourself, no doubt.

But for now if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.

[hoockin]

You probably spend a lot of time touching yourself, no doubt.

But for now if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.

Naah guy....spit in the ole palm and its free F*CKER!

[NOT !]

THAT WAS REALLY TOUCHING........TO BAD HES ALREADY WASTED NEARLY 3 YEARS OF OUR TIME AND MONEY! AND ACCORDING TO HIM OR HIS PERSONAL HEMROID "HE HAS MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE" IF HE CANT FIGURE HIS JOB OUT BY NOW GUY....NO DIAGRAM IS GONNA HELP THE BLIND


Not sure who you speaking of, Bob C. or Bob H. But Bob C. is doing a good job and Bob H. is doing things, (FINALLY), that Paul D. , Kevin Y. and numerous others failed to do during their tenures. So why not just shut up and stop airing out our dirty laundry in public.

[Paul - Shut the F*ck up -]

Naah guy....spit in the ole palm and its free F*CKER!


I agree with the other guy, if you are not part of the solution then you are most definately part of the problem. You sir are absolutely part of the problem. You began bashing Chief Hoey at the March meeting for problems that have been visible in this department for over five years. Then eaqch month you jump up onto your soap box and talk crap about the Chief at our meetings. To Bob's credit he doesn't even seem to care that you are saying anything at all. I aplaud his composure and professionalism, if the roles were reversed you would be cursing the guy out, but then again Bob is a much better PERSON than you will ever be, so no big surprise here.

What next Paul, do you drop a bombshell and tell us you want to run against Bob? Go ahead - see what happens LOSER!

[bobloversclubHA]

Not sure who you speaking of, Bob C. or Bob H. But Bob C. is doing a good job and Bob H. is doing things, (FINALLY), that Paul D. , Kevin Y. and numerous others failed to do during their tenures. So why not just shut up and stop airing out our dirty laundry in public.

stupid f*ck makes his pitiful existance public knowledge. how do you think so many people know what kind of person he is. hes a great liar guys, just ask his wife. she actually thinks hes faithfull to her, we all know thats not the truth, the guy has a track record from jobs to infidelity a ten miles long. its obvious you agree and support a sc*mbag like him.

[Awwshucks]

I agree with the other guy, if you are not part of the solution then you are most definately part of the problem. You sir are absolutely part of the problem. You began bashing Chief Hoey at the March meeting for problems that have been visible in this department for over five years. Then eaqch month you jump up onto your soap box and talk crap about the Chief at our meetings. To Bob's credit he doesn't even seem to care that you are saying anything at all. I aplaud his composure and professionalism, if the roles were reversed you would be cursing the guy out, but then again Bob is a much better PERSON than you will ever be, so no big surprise here.

What next Paul, do you drop a bombshell and tell us you want to run against Bob? Go ahead - see what happens LOSER!

run against him, any joker would look better then his sorry self loathing lying sh!T stirring azz kissing waste of space like him!

[Bob C then?]

stupid f*ck makes his pitiful existance public knowledge. how do you think so many people know what kind of person he is. hes a great liar guys, just ask his wife. she actually thinks hes faithfull to her, we all know thats not the truth, the guy has a track record from jobs to infidelity a ten miles long. its obvious you agree and support a sc*mbag like him.

I guess you are talking about Bob C. then. Whatever guy.

[Run PAUUULL Run]

run against him, any joker would look better then his sorry self loathing lying sh!T stirring azz kissing waste of space like him!


I would love to see that. It wont happen though because Paul knows very well that he cant carry HQ, (he knows because he already asked and they already told him no), he would get the same 12-14 sh!t stirrers from 2, and about 1/3 of 3, and absolutely ZERO of the old timers, (because it just isnt right and they know it), In case you weren't counting that = LOSER!

The idea isnt to show up at each monthly meeting and try to embarass the Chief who's sitting up there. The idea IS to show up a little more yourself, pitch in a little more and PRIVATELY, speak to the Chief and ask if he needs any help with anything in the next few months. Recent attempts to berate the Chief have only shown those involved for the immature blowhards they are. You have gained absolutely NOTHING and in the process LOST all of our respect for you! Posting anonymous negative attacks on this rag of a site - I personally thought you to be a better man than that. I was wrong.

[ouch stopit]

I would love to see that. It wont happen though because Paul knows very well that he cant carry HQ, (he knows because he already asked and they already told him no), he would get the same 12-14 sh!t stirrers from 2, and about 1/3 of 3, and absolutely ZERO of the old timers, (because it just isnt right and they know it), In case you weren't counting that = LOSER!

The idea isnt to show up at each monthly meeting and try to embarass the Chief who's sitting up there. The idea IS to show up a little more yourself, pitch in a little more and PRIVATELY, speak to the Chief and ask if he needs any help with anything in the next few months. Recent attempts to berate the Chief have only shown those involved for the immature blowhards they are. You have gained absolutely NOTHING and in the process LOST all of our respect for you! Posting anonymous negative attacks on this rag of a site - I personally thought you to be a better man than that. I was wrong.


sniff sniff sniff.....NOT! Well look whos calling the kettle black!!
Yeah i do believe your posting annoymously as well huh? JACKAZZZ! what abunch of little hemorroids....ohhh bob help help me. right after I take my d**k out of your family dog!!!!! what a SUCCCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Wrong Minded]

sniff sniff sniff.....NOT! Well look whos calling the kettle black!!
Yeah i do believe your posting annoymously as well huh? JACKAZZZ! what abunch of little hemorroids....ohhh bob help help me. right after I take my d**k out of your family dog!!!!! what a SUCCCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!


There is definately something wrong with you. First off, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL, and so is reading comprehension you illiterate moron. The guy said anonymous NEGATIVE posts. He posted anonymously but not in a negative way, no he posted a response in defense of someone else. I honestly think you are some little red headed chicken F*cker myself. There, now I posted anonymously AND with a negative comment for your sorry illiterate azz.

GROW THE F*CK UP !

[very nice]

There is definately something wrong with you. First off, READING IS FUNDAMENTAL, and so is reading comprehension you illiterate moron. The guy said anonymous NEGATIVE posts. He posted anonymously but not in a negative way, no he posted a response in defense of someone else. I honestly think you are some little red headed chicken F*cker myself. There, now I posted anonymously AND with a negative comment for your sorry illiterate azz.

GROW THE F*CK UP !

that was touching i cant even begin to explain my gratitude LOOOOOSERS!

[Red Headed Chicken F*cker]

that was touching i cant even begin to explain my gratitude LOOOOOSERS!


I resemble that remark. I think you are all losers just for airing our dirty laundry on this site. Maybe you can be a decent human being for once and tactfully explain your grievences to the guy you have them with. OR, you can continue to belittle yourself by attacking people on here. By posting attacks on people here it is obvious that you are afraid to confront the individual in person and tell him/her what your problems are, (thus you are a complete coward). This site is meant for cowards and those who lack the integrity to say whats on their mind, (IN PRIVATE), and Man to Man with the person involved. Instead you come on here and bash the guy, or you stand up at open meetings and attempt to embarass the guy, which usually makes you look like a complete azz in the process.

[I see you like chicken]

I resemble that remark. I think you are all losers just for airing our dirty laundry on this site. Maybe you can be a decent human being for once and tactfully explain your grievences to the guy you have them with. OR, you can continue to belittle yourself by attacking people on here. By posting attacks on people here it is obvious that you are afraid to confront the individual in person and tell him/her what your problems are, (thus you are a complete coward). This site is meant for cowards and those who lack the integrity to say whats on their mind, (IN PRIVATE), and Man to Man with the person involved. Instead you come on here and bash the guy, or you stand up at open meetings and attempt to embarass the guy, which usually makes you look like a complete azz in the process.

Bbbbbaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh ha ha ha ha

[SEEEEEEEEEEEEE]

Everyone here is spreading rumors about this jackoff so I will state a Fact.....ask your shining example of leadership why he doesnt work at Jamaica Hospital anymore or better yet why dont you ask him why he can't teach CPR anymore. Kinda odd for the super qualified paramedic not to be able to teach a simple skill such as CPR.
Or better yet ask how faithful this POS has been to his wife with all of his "ride alongs"

Lastly if you are reading this bob remember the skeletons in your past are many and Im sure the BOFC would love to hear the BS you were involved in....maybe background checks should be preformed prior to employment

Hm?

[Enough already 0]

Hm?

Listen, I've got my popcorn and I'm nice and comfortable - tell us what EXACTLY you keep yacking about? If you know and you are reasonably sure you are correct, then why all the baby azz games - spit it the F*CK out and let us decide just how important your earth shattering BS is. I for one think you are full of sh!t or you would have spilled the beens already. So once and for all, tell us what you are talking about or stop posting!

[yup yup]

Listen, I've got my popcorn and I'm nice and comfortable - tell us what EXACTLY you keep yacking about? If you know and you are reasonably sure you are correct, then why all the baby azz games - spit it the F*CK out and let us decide just how important your earth shattering BS is. I for one think you are full of sh!t or you would have spilled the beens already. So once and for all, tell us what you are talking about or stop posting!

Beens??? = "BEANS"

I think its been (not bean) posted, multiple times. People dont like him/you. But we can see BOB you are trying like always to make your self look oh so important and innocent. you are a joke, f*ckin clown!

[DAJOLLYVOLLY]

Ohhhhhh, booo hooo, did you not get approved for the new firepalace you perps wanted??? TOO BAD SKELL!!! People are thinking twice about dumping moeny into stupid projects, like new firehouses. You idiots would scream for more money in a freakin Depression!!!

NO money for you Setauket, live with it!!!!!!

Give me a break, their new firehouse is nothing compared to Coram's HQ, give the brothers a break, they needed a new station house to improve response from the members, it's not a big deal. Once again its' NOTHING compared to Corams, let alone the new Station houses in NASSAU!

[Skeletons in da closet]

The more I read this thread about Bob Cavalieri, the less I really care about what he supposedly did, does, or plans to do – I don’t care. Everyone has skeletons in the closet, faced with a very bright light each of us would be uncomfortable with certain things in our past. We have a FF here who was nearly prosecuted for exposing himself at the SUNY campus, (if it had been the guy wouldn’t have the civil service job title he has today). We have another who has volumes of incidents involving anger and his temper, (in one case breaking his arm after punching a wall). A former Commissioner who is known to have stolen large amounts of equipment from the Fire District, (yet he walks around like he’s an angel). A former FF who had 6th precinct officers at his home on numerous occasions for Domestic Issues. Another FF whose daughter can be found in Webster’s dictionary by looking up the word promiscuous. Yet another FF whose wife has slept with ten or eleven other FF, including me, and he walks around like he is the best thing since sliced bread. Another FF who cant make it through a few hours without downing at least two or three of his favorite beer – Budweiser, then he tries to get in a fire truck. We have others with other problems and difficulties including Pills, Booze, cheating spouses, cheating themselves, pregnant daughters, tax problems, no job, no prospects, etc. The list is endless folks and the point is this; nobody is perfect, not Bob C. and definitely not the AZZ JOCKEYS who come on here to bash him. We all have things better left unsaid, or maybe I’ll just come back and put a name next to each of the things I listed above. Knowing full well that one of those above is YOU!

[28598]

Get off here and go face to face....

Hello Fred

[94708570]

The more I read this thread about Bob Cavalieri, the less I really care about what he supposedly did, does, or plans to do – I don’t care. Everyone has skeletons in the closet, faced with a very bright light each of us would be uncomfortable with certain things in our past. We have a FF here who was nearly prosecuted for exposing himself at the SUNY campus, (if it had been the guy wouldn’t have the civil service job title he has today). We have another who has volumes of incidents involving anger and his temper, (in one case breaking his arm after punching a wall). A former Commissioner who is known to have stolen large amounts of equipment from the Fire District, (yet he walks around like he’s an angel). A former FF who had 6th precinct officers at his home on numerous occasions for Domestic Issues. Another FF whose daughter can be found in Webster’s dictionary by looking up the word promiscuous. Yet another FF whose wife has slept with ten or eleven other FF, including me, and he walks around like he is the best thing since sliced bread. Another FF who cant make it through a few hours without downing at least two or three of his favorite beer – Budweiser, then he tries to get in a fire truck. We have others with other problems and difficulties including Pills, Booze, cheating spouses, cheating themselves, pregnant daughters, tax problems, no job, no prospects, etc. The list is endless folks and the point is this; nobody is perfect, not Bob C. and definitely not the AZZ JOCKEYS who come on here to bash him. We all have things better left unsaid, or maybe I’ll just come back and put a name next to each of the things I listed above. Knowing full well that one of those above is YOU!

and hes still a jerkoff lying sleezy piece of sh!t.......and???

[Douche ?]

and hes still a jerkoff lying sleezy piece of sh!t.......and???

Stop squawking like a f^cking girl and tell us all what he has did. Otherwise all of yourd posts are just a waste of space.

[LOL EMT]

and you are still a jerkoff lying sleezy piece of sh!t.......and???

BEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHH H!

[Always remember]

Brothers,
Honor these men everyday in the things you do while wearing The Maltese Cross. Not just on and around September 11th.

Take some time to read through this list and reflect on the sacrifice that these men made.

NEVER FORGET

Joseph Agnello, Lad.118 Lt. Brian Ahearn, Bat.13 Eric Allen, Sqd.18 (D) Richard Allen, Lad.15 Cpt. James Amato, Sqd.1 Calixto Anaya Jr., Eng.4 Joseph Agnello, Lad.118 Lt. Brian Ahearn, Bat.13 Eric Allen, Sqd.18 (D) Richard Allen, Lad.15 Cpt. James Amato, Sqd.1 Calixto Anaya Jr., Eng.4 Joseph Angelini, Res.1 (D) Joseph Angelini Jr., Lad.4 Faustino Apostol Jr., Bat.2 David Arce, Eng.33 Louis A rena, Lad 5 (D) Carl Asaro, Bat.9 Lt. Gregg Atlas, Eng.10 Gerald Atwood, Lad.21

Gerald Baptiste, Lad.9 A.C. Gerard Barbara, Cmd. Ctr. Matthew Barnes, Lad.25 Arthur Barry, Lad.15 Lt.Steven Bates, Eng.235 Carl Bedigian, Eng.214 Stephen Belson, Bat.7 John Bergin, Res.5 Paul Beyer, Eng.6 Peter Bielfeld, Lad.42 Brian Bilcher, Sqd.1 Carl Bini, Res.5 Christopher Blackwell, Res.3 Michael Bocchino, Bat.48 Frank Bonomo, Eng.230 Gary Box, Sqd.1 Michael Boyle, Eng.33 Kevin Bracken, Eng.40 Michael Brennan, Lad.4 Peter Brennan, Res.4 Cpt. Daniel Brethel, Lad.24 (D) Cpt. Patrick Brown, Lad.3 Andrew Brunn, Lad.5 (D) Cpt. Vincent Brunton, Lad.105 F.M. Ronald Bucca Greg Buck, Eng.201 Cpt. William Burke Jr., Eng.21 A.C. Donald Burns, Cmd. Ctr. John Burnside, Lad.20 Thomas Butler, Sqd.1 Patrick Byrne, Lad.101

George Cain, Lad.7 Salvatore Calabro, Lad.101 Cpt. Frank Callahan, Lad.35 Michael Cammarata, Lad.11 Brian Cannizzaro, Lad.101 Dennis Carey, Hmc.1 Michael Carlo, Eng.230 Michael Carroll, Lad.3 Peter Carroll, Sqd.1 (D) Thomas Casoria, Eng.22 Michael Cawley, Lad.136 Vernon Cherry, Lad.118 Nicholas Chiofalo, Eng.235 John Chipura, Eng.219 Michael Clarke, Lad.2 Steven Coakley, Eng.217 Tarel Coleman, Sqd.252 John Collins, Lad.25 Robert Cordice, Sqd.1 Ruben Correa, Eng.74 James Coyle, Lad.3 Robert Crawford, Safety Lt. John Crisci, H.M. B.C. Dennis Cross, Bat.57 (D) Thomas Cullen III, Sqd. 41 Robert Curatolo, Lad.16 (D)

Lt. Edward D'Atri, Sqd.1 Michael D'Auria, Eng.40 Scott Davidson, Lad.118 Edward Day, Lad.11 B.C. Thomas DeAngelis, Bat. 8 Manuel Delvalle, Eng.5 Martin DeMeo, H.M. 1 David DeRubbio, Eng.226 Lt. Andrew Desperito, Eng.1 (D) B.C. Dennis Devlin, Bat.9 Gerard Dewan, Lad.3 George DiPasquale, Lad.2 Lt. Kevin Donnelly, Lad.3 Lt. Kevin Dowdell, Res.4 B.C. Raymond Downey, Soc. Gerard Duffy, Lad.21

Cpt. Martin Egan, Jr., Div.15 (D) Michael Elferis, Eng.22 Francis Esposito, Eng.235 Lt. Michael Esposito, Sqd.1 Robert Evans, Eng.33

B.C. John Fanning, H.O. Cpt. Thomas Farino, Eng.26 Terrence Farrell, Res.4 Cpt. Joseph Farrelly, Div.1 Dep. Comm. William Feehan, (D) Lee Fehling, Eng.235 Alan Feinberg, Bat.9 Michael Fiore, Res.5 Lt. John Fischer, Lad.20 Andre Fletcher, Res.5 John Florio, Eng.214 Lt. Michael Fodor, Lad.21 Thomas Foley, Res.3 David Fontana, Sqd.1 Robert Foti, Lad.7 Andrew Fredericks, Sqd.18 Lt. Peter Freund, Eng.55

Thomas Gambino Jr., Res.3 Chief of Dept. Peter Ganci, Jr. (D) Lt. Charles Garbarini, Bat.9 Thomas Gardner, Hmc.1 Matthew Garvey, Sqd.1 Bruce Gary, Eng.40 Gary Geidel, Res.1 B.C. Edward Geraghty, Bat.9 Dennis Germain, Lad.2 Lt. Vincent Giammona, Lad.5 James Giberson, Lad.35 Ronnie Gies, Sqd.288 Paul Gill, Eng.54 Lt. John Ginley, Eng.40 Jeffrey Giordano, Lad.3 John Giordano, Hmc.1 Keith Glascoe, Lad.21 James Gray, Lad.20 B.C. Joseph Grzelak, Bat.48 Jose Guadalupe, Eng.54 Lt. Geoffrey Guja, Bat.43 Lt. Joseph Gullickson, Lad.101

David Halderman, Sqd.18 Lt. Vincent Halloran, Lad.8 Robert Hamilton, Sqd.41 Sean Hanley, Lad.20 (D) Thomas Hannafin, Lad.5 Dana Hannon, Eng.26 Daniel Harlin, Lad.2 Lt. Harvey Harrell, Res.5 Lt. Stephen Harrell, Bat.7 Cpt. Thomas Haskell, Jr., Div.15 Timothy Haskell, Sqd.18 (D) Cpt. Terence Hatton, Res.1 Michael Haub, Lad.4 Philip T. Hayes, Eng.217 (Ret) Lt. Michael Healey, Sqd.41 John Hefferman, Lad.11 Ronnie Henderson, Eng.279 Joseph Henry, Lad.21 William Henry, Res.1 (D) Thomas Hetzel, Lad.13 Cpt. Brian Hickey, Res.4 Lt. Timothy Higgins, S.O.C. Jonathan Hohmann, Hmc.1 Thomas Holohan, Eng.6 Joseph Hunter, Sqd.288 Cpt. Walter Hynes, Lad.13 (D)

Jonathan Ielpi, Sqd.288 Cpt. Frederick Ill Jr., Lad.2

William Johnston, Eng.6 Andrew Jordan, Lad.132 Karl Joseph, Eng.207 Lt. Anthony Jovic, Bat.47 Angel Juarbe Jr., Lad.12 Mychal Judge, Chaplain (D)

Vincent Kane, Eng.22 B.C. Charles Kasper, S.O.C. Paul Keating, Lad.5 Richard Kelly Jr., Lad.11 Thomas R. Kelly, Lad.15 Thomas W. Kelly, Lad.105 Thomas Kennedy, Lad.101 Lt. Ronald Kerwin, Sqd.288 Michael Kiefer, Lad.132 Robert King Jr., Eng.33 Scott Kopytko, Lad.15 William Krukowski, Lad.21 Kenneth Kumpel, Lad.25 Thomas Kuveikis, Sqd.252

David LaForge, Lad.20 William Lake, Res.2 Robert Lane, Eng.55 Peter Langone, Sqd.252 Scott Larsen, Lad.15 Lt. Joseph Leavey, Lad.15 Neil Leavy, Eng.217 Daniel Libretti, Res.2 Carlos Lillo, Paramedic Robert Linnane, Lad.20 Michael Lynch, Eng.40 Michael Lynch, Lad.4 Michael Lyons, Sqd.41 Patrick Lyons, Sqd.252

Joseph Maffeo, Lad.101 William Mahoney, Res 4 Joseph Maloney, Lad.3 (D) B.C. Joseph Marchbanks Jr, Bat.12 Lt. Charles Margiotta, Bat.22 Kenneth Marino, Res.1 John Marshall, Eng.23 Lt. Peter Martin, Res.2 Lt. Paul Martini, Eng.23 Joseph Mascali, T.S.U. 2 Keithroy Maynard, Eng.33 Brian McAleese, Eng.226 John McAvoy, Lad.3 Thomas McCann, Bat.8 Lt. William McGinn, Sqd.18 B.C. William McGovern, Bat.2 (D) Dennis McHugh, Lad.13 Robert McMahon, Lad.20 Robert McPadden, Eng.23 Terence McShane, Lad.101 Timothy McSweeney, Lad.3 Martin McWilliams, Eng.22 (D) Raymond Meisenheimer, Res.3 Charles Mendez, Lad.7 Steve Mercado, Eng.40 Douglas Miller, Res.5 Henry Miller Jr, Lad.105 Robert Minara, Lad.25 Thomas Mingione, Lad.132 Lt. Paul Mitchell, Bat.1 Capt. Louis Modafferi, Res.5 Lt. Dennis Mojica, Res.1 (D) Manuel Mojica, Sqd.18 (D) Carl Molinaro, Lad.2 Michael Montesi, Res.1 Capt. Thomas Moody, Div.1 B.C. John Moran, Bat.49 Vincent Morello, Lad.35 Christopher Mozzillo, Eng.55 Richard Muldowney Jr, Lad.07 Michael Mullan, Lad.12 Dennis Mulligan, Lad.2 Lt. Raymond Murphy, Lad.16

Lt. Robert Nagel, Eng.58 John Napolitano, Res.2 Peter Nelson, Res.4 Gerard Nevins, Res.1

Dennis O'Berg, Lad.105 Lt. Daniel O'Callaghan, Lad.4 Douglas Oelschlager, Lad.15 Joseph Ogren, Lad.3 Lt. Thomas O'Hagan, Bat.4 Samuel Oitice, Lad.4 Patrick O'Keefe, Res.1 Capt. William O'Keefe, Div.15 (D) Eric Olsen, Lad.15 Jeffery Olsen, Eng.10 Steven Olson, Lad.3 Kevin O'Rourke, Res.2 Michael Otten, Lad.35

Jeffery Palazzo, Res.5 B.C. Orio Palmer, Bat.7 Frank Palombo, Lad.105 Paul Pansini, Eng.10 B.C. John Paolillo, Bat.11 James Pappageorge, Eng.23 Robert Parro, Eng.8 Durrell Pearsall, Res.4 Lt. Glenn Perry, Bat.12 Lt. Philip Petti, Bat.7 Lt. Kevin Pfeifer, Eng. 33 Lt. Kenneth Phelan, Bat.32 Christopher Pickford, Eng.201 Shawn Powell, Eng.207 Vincent Princiotta, Lad.7 Kevin Prior, Sqd.252 B.C. Richard Prunty, Bat.2 (D)

Lincoln Quappe, Res.2 Lt. Michael Quilty, Lad.11 Ricardo Quinn, Paramedic

Leonard Ragaglia, Eng.54 Michael Ragusa, Eng.279 Edward Rall, Res.2 Adam Rand, Sqd.288 Donald Regan, Res.3 Lt. Robert Regan, Lad.118 Christian Regenhard, Lad.131 Kevin Reilly, Eng.207 Lt. Vernon Richard, Lad.7 James Riches, Eng.4 Joseph Rivelli, Lad.25 Michael Roberts, Eng.214 Michael E. Roberts, Lad.35 Anthony Rodriguez, Eng.279 Matthew Rogan, Lad.11 Nicholas Rossomando, Res.5 Paul Ruback, Lad.25 Stephen Russell, Eng.55 Lt. Michael Russo, S.O.C. B.C. Matthew Ryan, Bat.1

Thomas Sabella, Lad.13 Christopher Santora, Eng.54 John Santore, Lad.5 (D) Gregory Saucedo, Lad.5 Dennis Scauso, H.M. 1 John Schardt, Eng.201 B.C. Fred Scheffold, Bat.12 Thomas Schoales, Eng.4 Gerard Schrang, Res.3 (D) Gregory Sikorsky, Sqd.41 Stephen Siller, Sqd.1 Stanley Smagala Jr, Eng.226 Kevin Smith, H.M. 1 Leon Smith Jr, Lad 118 Robert Spear Jr, Eng.26 Joseph Spor, Res.3 B.C. Lawrence Stack, Bat.50 Cpt. Timothy Stackpole, Div.11 (D) Gregory Stajk, Lad.13 Jeffery Stark, Eng.230 Benjamin Suarez, Lad.21 Daniel Suhr, Eng.216 (D) Lt. Christopher Sullivan, Lad.111 Brian Sweeney, Res.1

Sean Tallon, Lad.10 Allan Tarasiewicz, Res.5 Paul Tegtmeier, Eng.4 John Tierney, Lad.9 John Tipping II, Lad.4 Hector Tirado Jr, Eng.23

Richard Vanhine, Sqd.41 Peter Vega, Lad.118 Lawrence Veling, Eng.235 John Vigiano II, Lad.132 Sergio Villanueva, Lad.132 Lawrence Virgilio, Sqd.18 (D)

Lt. Robert Wallace, Eng.205 Jeffery Walz, Lad. 9 Lt. Michael Warchola, Lad.5 (D) Capt. Patrick Waters, S.O.C. Kenneth Watson, Eng.214 Michael Weinberg, Eng.1 (D) David Weiss, Res.1 Timothy Welty, Sqd.288 Eugene Whelan, Eng.230 Edward White, Eng.230 Mark Whitford, Eng.23 Lt. Glenn Wilkinson, Eng.238 (D) B.C. John Williamson, Bat.6 (D) Capt. David Wooley, Lad.4

Raymond York, Eng.285 (D)


And don't forget the other 2,630 innocent victims of this cowardly act. May they, their families and friends find peace.

[setauketsDumbMan]

i think it has been clearly stated on here time and time again what he has done. what it amounts to is that he portays himself to be a honest hard working.... family man. when that is pretty much all a front. he is a liar pisses of the board everytime he opens his bug stupid mouth cheats on his old lady and acts like hes been sent from up above. Haaaaa that is majorly funny. he is a joke.

[aroundcommack]

i think it has been clearly stated on here time and time again what he has done. what it amounts to is that he portays himself to be a honest hard working.... family man. when that is pretty much all a front. he is a liar pisses of the board everytime he opens his bug stupid mouth cheats on his old lady and acts like hes been sent from up above. Haaaaa that is majorly funny. he is a joke.

Ask him which member of his family had to quit CVAC after hearing about his infedility acts........nicccce.

[stirthepot]

who cares? are you in his personal life? maybe he and the old lady agreed (without telling everyone...wow what a thought) to see other people and stay together for the kids? how is it you feel the need to get involved?

[asamatteroffact]

who cares? are you in his personal life? maybe he and the old lady agreed (without telling everyone...wow what a thought) to see other people and stay together for the kids? how is it you feel the need to get involved?

Misery may love company but that aint the case here. Being she just got her azz handed to her for her own misbehaving. i think its safe to say its NOT something that has been "agreed on" jerkoffs. He is a sc*mmer, she knows it and now so do others. dont protect what you dont know guy or bob? seriously remember there are some of us who do KNOW the truth stop your pitiful act of whos picking on me.

[Smarter than yall]

PS none of his family members quit CVAC so do your research so at least your responses will be backed by FACTS

[FACTSCVAC]

PS none of his family members quit CVAC so do your research so at least your responses will be backed by FACTS

the kid was made to quit when mommy found out whta the kid was being subjected to because of DADDY nice eh!

[Unregistered4656]

the kid was made to quit when mommy found out whta the kid was being subjected to because of DADDY nice eh!

Hey Fuckface thats completely untrue...you obviously werent a member of CVAC or you would know thats not true. So your obviosuly either one of the ugly horsefaces that he was screwing and is making up boring lies OR you are a wanna be..umm what...volunteer?? Way to set high goals for yourself.
One thing has nothing to do with the other and it makes no difference why anyone leaves there but again, you are completely 100% wrong and if you would like to be a big guy than you can go ahead and add your name to the post. Oh wait, nevermind you obviosuly wouldnt have the guts to do that because than everyone would know that your stupid ass cant even handle some simple deductive reasoning.

Ill wait while you look that term up genius...

[Unregistered32840-]

Hey Fuckface thats completely untrue...you obviously werent a member of CVAC or you would know thats not true. So your obviosuly either one of the ugly horsefaces that he was screwing and is making up boring lies OR you are a wanna be..umm what...volunteer?? Way to set high goals for yourself.
One thing has nothing to do with the other and it makes no difference why anyone leaves there but again, you are completely 100% wrong and if you would like to be a big guy than you can go ahead and add your name to the post. Oh wait, nevermind you obviosuly wouldnt have the guts to do that because than everyone would know that your stupid ass cant even handle some simple deductive reasoning.

Ill wait while you look that term up genius...

which terms low life? Your "hey fuckface" yes I do believe that to be two words, genius!! let me ask you, do you like the taste of sh*t brown-noser?

[Unregistered2222]

Yummmy...I just tasted sh*t and it tasted amazing! Thanks for asking. I love BC and if you have a problem with that than look inside yourself to see why you have so much hate. Your mother should have taught you better...hate is a very strong word and not an appropriate feeling over something so silly. Im not hating on you or your opinions, im just stating the point that I know him on a personal family level and I think hes amazing. If you disagree than disagree, everyone is entitled to their own feelings and I dont judge you on yours. Im not posting anymore because I just dont care, I said my peace and I feel bad for you to walk through life hating hating hating!PeaCE!!

[Unregisteredinteresting]

Yummmy...I just tasted sh*t and it tasted amazing! Thanks for asking. I love BC and if you have a problem with that than look inside yourself to see why you have so much hate. Your mother should have taught you better...hate is a very strong word and not an appropriate feeling over something so silly. Im not hating on you or your opinions, im just stating the point that I know him on a personal family level and I think hes amazing. If you disagree than disagree, everyone is entitled to their own feelings and I dont judge you on yours. Im not posting anymore because I just dont care, I said my peace and I feel bad for you to walk through life hating hating hating!PeaCE!!

"personal, family level" Thats funny, then youd know he was a skirt chaser. he spent much much much time with a very good friend of mine. while making up all kinds of excuses to his where abouts to his wifey. enough said!!

[Unregistered874237429]

Well I guess your very very very good friend is not only a sleazy slut bag but also hangs around with scum like you! Enjoy your day peach