The LA Times: A Disgrace to Journalism

[Californian]

After numerous fictitious polls showing less than a majority favoring the California recall and Bustamante leading, the dect could go on no longer. So the LA Times gave in and ran thr latest poll showing the recall bng supported with Arnold in front.

But since the liberal methodology in California is now under threat, the LA Times has come out with an article accussing Arnold of indecent behavior towards women, back in the 1970's. The timing is truly coincidental, Im sure. Newsday of course posted this as well. Still not a word though of Bustamante bng involved in a Mexican hate group, MECHA. Im sure that the LA Times reporters are working on the story as we speak though. This paper has zero credibility.

But is this expected...of course. They have an agenda to meet, and will do so by any means possible. To the LA Times I say this...at l try to be discreet in advancing your liberal agenda.

[Billybob]

So, you think all polls that disagree with what you believe are fictitious? Do you not understand that ALL polls are innacurate? For the same reason that flipping a coin a hundred times will not ever accurately tell you what the outcome of a million flips is.

But besides that, the biggest agenda in California seems to be the GOP and Arnold's. How else can a candidate, who has NO political background NO plans for boosting the economy (his only line is "bring business back." That means absolutely nothing.), uses stupid catch phrases from his movies, and is using the national media rather than state political forums in order to bypass the other candidates. Not to mention his campaign advisor, Bill Simon, who is largely responsible for California getting screwed by Enron. Yay for Arnold!

I think it's horrific how the Republican party is using people's cynicism about the government to push Arnold, who will only be a puppet for the Republican party, just in time for the 2004 elections. I mean look at it, Florida (Jeb Bush), Texas (unnecessary redistricting), and California (Recall election); these are the states with the biggest electorate, and the GOP knows it. They think if they can "control" these states, they have a much better chance of getting Bush re-elected.

It's all politics. If 45% of the people in this state voted no on the recall, it could still pass, and Arnold could be elected with a small fraction of that vote. How democratic is THAT?
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[Freedom]

McClintock is a true conservative. Even if a dem wins, it would show the Republicans in California to stop taking pro-life conservatives for granted. In the long run it would be good because the California Republican Party would have to consider endorsing real Republicans, not RINOS. Same goes for NYS.

About Arnold - at l one woman said that of all the body builders Arnold was the most gentleman-like. Gray Davis's fingerprints are all over this.
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[Billybob]

What do you mean Davis's fingerprints are all over this? Do you live in California?

And while I'm on this topic, can you explain to me exactly WHAT Grey Davis did that makes him deserve to be recalled? The budget deficit, by the way, has shrunk from $40 billion, to 8 billion, well below other state deficits in this country.

But wait, I'm sure ARNOLD (who the Republican party endorses far more than McClintock) has the know-how to fix all of our budget problems. Wait, no he doesn't!
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[Yonivore]

Ah! Once again, the ignorance of public administration rears it's ugly head.

Do you believe Grayout Davis is a better economist than Arnold? Me too. And that's fine.

Now, do you believe Grayout Davis will assemble a team of economic advisors that can beat the likes of Milton Friedman (Nobel Prize winning economist) and the rest of the Arnold team? Hell no.

It's not a contest between Grayout's and Arnold's respective abilities to balance thr personal checkbooks. It a contest between conservative and liberal economic policies. And, well, I'm not sure who Grayout has on his team (arguably, whoever it is has really sucked since Grayout took office), but Arnold has some pretty heavy hitters on his.

Billybob, you disappoint me. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
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[Californian]

The polls established by the LA Times were not even remotely close to the last one that was revealed publicly. There is no way that points could jump that high in the time span they claim. It is physically impossible.

Secondly, the problem with politics today is just that...we have career politicians who are only looking out for themselves. Arnold has money and fame...he does not need this job. But he wants it to make a difference and he is not worried about pandering to any special interests or ethnic groups, which is the main reason why California is in the hole today.

And you still have not answered my queston. Where is is it going to be revealed by the LA Times in regards to Bustamante belonging to a hate group??? Havent heard anything from them...hmmm.

And the budget has been reduced from 40 to 8 billion. Where did you get that information from???

And even if it is at 8 billion, it still is the number one deficit in the country, with New York trailing behind them.

I do not agree with the recall, it is undemocratic and cheapens the election process. However, it is legal and if it must happen, it cant happen to a better guy than Grey "Red" Davis...the worst politician in the history of this great nation.

[Billybob]

"Secondly, the problem with politics today is just that...we have career politicians who are only looking out for themselves. Arnold has money and fame...he does not need this job. But he wants it to make a difference and he is not worried about pandering to any special interests or ethnic groups, which is the main reason why California is in the hole today."

This is the first, and biggest misconception about Arnold. He HAS taken money from corporate donars! On top of that, his campaign advisor is Bill Simon, the man partially responsible for the energy crisis in CA.

Arnold was picked BECAUSE people would percve him as an independant. But he has NO experience with politics, and NO plan for getting California out of debt. His entire economic team was picked by the GOP, and the white house. There is no logical reason for this recall. It's a little-known, NEVER-used law, and it's bng used for the sole purpose of placing a Republican in office in California. Why do you not see that? It was bankrolled by Darryl Issa, a very sleazy guy.

I'll ask again, what did Grey Davis do? And why doesn't George W. Bush face the same scrutiny for presiding over a MUCH MUCH larger deficit?
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"This is the first, and biggest misconception about Arnold. He HAS taken money from corporate donars!"
There's a difference between needing money to run a successful campaign and needing money for personal objectives and to advance a specific agenda. Apples and Oranges Billybob.
Quote:"On top of that, his campaign advisor is Bill Simon, the man partially responsible for the energy crisis in CA."
And, his chief opponents are Cruz Bustamante and Grayout Davis, people with more skin in the Kalifornia energy crisis than anyone else in political office. You're not saying a whole lot there Billybob. If you're going to find someone with absolutely no stake in the energy debacle, you're going to have to go outside the political areba of Kalifornia. Oh wait! That's where Arnold enegger is coming from. Well, well, well.

Can we just hope that Bill Simon isn't advising him on energy policy and leave it at that?
Quote:"Arnold was picked BECAUSE people would percve him as an independant. But he has NO experience with politics, and NO plan for getting California out of debt. His entire economic team was picked by the GOP, and the white house."
And your verifiable support for this comes from...?
Quote:"There is no logical reason for this recall."
False, there are over a million logical reasons for this recall. Enough Kalifornians used a statute, intended exactly for this purpose, to make a positive change in the direction of thr State government.
Quote:"It's a little-known, NEVER-used law, and it's bng used for the sole purpose of placing a Republican in office in California. Why do you not see that? It was bankrolled by Darryl Issa, a very sleazy guy."
Sometimes, the l known and l used statutes are the most effective and reasonable. I can't say I agree with a recall provision but, that it exists, says that most Kalifornians were, at some point, of a like mind on the issue.
Quote:"I'll ask again, what did Grey Davis do? And why doesn't George W. Bush face the same scrutiny for presiding over a MUCH MUCH larger deficit?"
I have no idea what Grayout did to piss off enough Kalifornians to successfully bring a referendum to a vote asking for his recall. But, I'm not a Kalifornian. I guess we'll find out Tuesday if there are more Kalifornians in Grayout's camp or in the recaller's camp. Democracy in action...isn't it a beautiful thing?

President Bush DOES face the same scrutiny. Do you not listen to or read your own posts and those of like mind who blame President Bush for what they percve as a bad economy? (I would argue the recession started in the Clinton administration and is improving due to Bush's economic policies but, that's another argument.)

The difference, and to specifically address your argument, is there is no provision in the U.S. Constitution or federal law for the recall of a sitting President. He's got to die, commit an impeachable offense, or resign before he can be replaced...and even then, the people have no say in who replaces him (until the next general election). ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

Bush faces the same scrunitany from ME, and other "liberals". But the Republican party, who 100% is behind this recall (paying signiture collectors $1 for every signature they got. And even bring people in from out of state to do this. I should know, I SPOKE to them!) does NOT hold Bush accountable in this way. How much do YOU think Bush should be held accountable for this?

Arnold is even worse, because he's using the national media, and completely bypassing traditional political forums. He refuses to debate, unless the questions (and one could argue, the ANSWERS) were provided ahead of time. There were several debates that Arnold DIDN'T participate in, but the ONE that he did, suddenly got national media attention. The previous debates were lucky to run on public access.

And since you DON'T live in California, let me clue you in to the energy crisis. Enron and other companies ripped this state off, contributing $20 billion to the ONCE $40 billion deficit. Enron was and is VERY close to the Bush administration. They let Bush use the Enron jet during his campaign in 2000, Ken Lay got to advise George W. Bush on his energy policy, and help pick that particular team. Grey Davis, and other California officials recently sued Enron to be released from the fraudulent contracts, which were costing the state an arm and a leg. The federal court denied this, and said the contract MUST remain. There is no reason to blame Grey Davis for any of this. And this makes your using of the term "Greyout Davis" even more ridiculous and uninformed.

Now, Gray Davis, if you've ever seen and heard him, is NOT the most appealing person in the world. I don't particularly like him, and he's completely inept at dealing with this GOP grab for power. But the fact remains, he was elected a YEAR ago, and there is no good reason to impeach him. Everyone is cynical of the government, and in this case that is bng used to advance a Republican agenda.
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"Bush faces the same scrunitany from ME, and other 'liberals'."
Yeah, and besides making my point, why do you even bring this up? We know you are critical of President Bush and I just got through saying that President Bush is facing the same criticism as Grayout Davis over the economy. I was responding to your assertion that he doesn't and you turn around and contradict yourself. Go figure.
Quote:"But the Republican party, who 100% is behind this recall..."
I disagree. While 100% of the Republican Party in Kalifornia may be behind the recall (and eve that is debatable)...the majority of the party, outside the state, is fairly ambivalent. No national politicians, from the Republican Party anyway, are rushing to Kalifornia to campaign for any Republican candidate (But, haven't the Clintons been there on behalf of Grayout and in opposition to the recall? Hmmmm...interesting.)
Quote:"...(paying signiture collectors $1 for every signature they got."
And, that signature collectors were bng paid is an incentive for someone to actually sign the petition? Let me get this straight...you're not claiming the signatures were bought, just that those collecting the signatures were financially motivated. And, you have a problem with this?
Quote:"...And even bring people in from out of state to do this. I should know, I SPOKE to them!)."
EGADS! An imported workforce!!! Apparently you're having trouble with the distinction to be made between those that favored a recall and signed the petition and those that were hired to go out and find those that favored a recall and signed the petition.
Quote:"...does NOT hold Bush accountable in this way. How much do YOU think Bush should be held accountable for this?"
I don't get it. Most Conservatives and Libertarians believe President Bush's economic policies (including the tax cuts) is what is saving this nation's economy. So, in effect, yeah, we do hold President Bush accountable...for recovering this nation from the recession that began in 2000 (Clinton administration). Economy growing at 4% a year since, accelerated after the cuts. Go Bush Go!
Quote:"Arnold is even worse, because he's using the national media, and completely bypassing traditional political forums. He refuses to debate, unless the questions (and one could argue, the ANSWERS) were provided ahead of time. There were several debates that Arnold DIDN'T participate in, but the ONE that he did, suddenly got national media attention. The previous debates were lucky to run on public access."
Political acumen is not a negative thing. The enegger camp has made the calculation thr candidate does not need to engage in "traditional political forums" to win this election. No politician puts themselves in a position to worsen thr image or to be mischaracterized or misquoted if they don't have to.

Not engaging in the debates is a political judgement. Candidate enegger has clearly stated his position on many of the issues, why get into a partisan cat fight if you don't have to. Let the losers debate each other.

True, it could turn out that not participating had a negative affect on his chances...but, only time will tell.
Quote:"And since you DON'T live in California, let me clue you in to the energy crisis. Enron and other companies ripped this state off, contributing $20 billion to the ONCE $40 billion deficit. Enron was and is VERY close to the Bush administration. They let Bush use the Enron jet during his campaign in 2000, Ken Lay got to advise George W. Bush on his energy policy, and help pick that particular team. Grey Davis, and other California officials recently sued Enron to be released from the fraudulent contracts, which were costing the state an arm and a leg. The federal court denied this, and said the contract MUST remain. There is no reason to blame Grey Davis for any of this. And this makes your using of the term "Greyout Davis" even more ridiculous and uninformed."
The Kalifornia Energy crisis and resulting corruption occurred because of a flawed "deregulation" plan that wasn't a deregulation plan at all.

Oh, and Enron wasn't the biggest gouger, they come in fourth behind three Kalifornia municipal utilities; Los Angeles, San Francisco, and one other (I don't recall).

Here's an interesting read for you Billybob (although I suspect you ignore anything I offer because you refuse to be disabused of your conviction the evil Republicans are behind it all). Give it a read and dispute the points it makes, if you can...I'm willing to listen.

California power play
Quote:"Electricity isn't one of those things that Americans really think about running out of. That's especially true in a high-tech, new-economy state like California. With all of those hackers and hackees packed into Silicon Valley, you'd think the juice would be something you could pretty much take for granted."

"So how come all those folks on the West Coast are having trouble keeping the lights on?"

"Well, apparently it's because of nasty old laissez-faire capitalism. At l, that's what activists and politicos ticked off by power shortages and soaring wholesale prices for electricity blame the trouble on. Greedy guys in business suits, unleashed by a frenzy of deregulation, are roaming the landscape, mugging little old ladies for thr mad money and pulling down power lines."

"Or something like that."

"Now, they say, it's time for government to step back in and demonstrate its usual genius for efficiently creating and distributing stuff."

"Of course, that argument assumes that the power industry was actually deregulated, that laissez-faire now prevails throughout the industry and that the current mess is the result."

"Is that all true? Let's take a closer look, shall we?"

"Well, for starters, we should peek at that deregulation measure that's taking so much heat these days. According to CNN:"

"California's 1996 law deregulating the electricity market, once hailed as a model for others:"

*Forced utilities to sell off much of thr generating
capacity.

*Prohibited them from signing long-term contracts to
buy supplies.

*Barred increases in consumer rates until 2002.

"Jacob Sullum shed more light on the issue in a column in which he wrote:"

"The law set up ... 'a micromanaged pseudo-market,' requiring the utilities to sell off thr generating plants and buy thr electricity from a state-administered exchange. Instead of putting together the megawatts they needed at various prices offered by different power suppliers, utilities had to pay each supplier the price demanded by the highest bidder.
So 'deregulation' California-style forces power companies to unload thr ability to generate power, sets price controls, bars contractual efforts to control costs and mandates a government purchasing scheme that hikes prices. Huh. If that's 'deregulation,' what's the Californian word for leaving people alone?"

"But there's more trouble to be found. It seems that California's high-tech economy has been getting higher and techier. That means more things to plug into the wall and more people with those things. As a result, demand for electricity rises."

"But while Californians may like using electricity, they don't like making it -- or rather, they don't like what's required to make the stuff. Environmentally friendly place that California is, the state has made it exceedingly difficult to build new power plants. Construction of new facilities averages seven years in the Bear Flag State, while Texans manage a lag of no more than two to three years between laying the first and last bricks."

"Californians are also finicky about the way they make thr power. As Prof. George Rsman of Pepperdine University points out: 'In California, in the last decade, only power plants using natural gas as thr fuel have been allowed to be constructed, and such plants now account for most of the state's generating capacity.'"

"As it turns out, natural gas plants are relatively expensive to operate compared to the alternatives, and the price has been going up. This discourages would-be investors from jumping through the hoops needed to build new plants."

"How discouraged are those investors?"

"It turns out that, while Texas has played host to 22 new power plants since 1995, California has not seen a major new plant built in more than a decade. That means that the state's booming demand for power has to be satisfied by purchasing juice from outside the state at the going rate -- which is rising because of California's appetite -- and then sold to users at prices set by politicians."

"As Rsman adds:"

"Of course, the more the government holds down the supply of electric power, the higher is the price that is required to prevent a shortage of power. When the government refuses to allow a price that is high enough to keep the quantity of power demanded within the limit of the supply of power available, brownouts and blackouts are the result.
Whoah! Did we just explain the California power crisis? I think we did."

"But that's not how politicians see the matter. Channeling his inner Lenin, Gov. Gray Davis announced, 'Never again can we allow out-of-state profiteers to hold Californians hostage.'"

"Actually, the in-state profiteers in the power industry lobbied for that ridiculous 'deregulation' bill -- though they're real sorry now. And the law was approved unanimously in the state legislature -- the sort of vote that ought to prompt somebody to follow the paper trail."

"Davis' proposed solution has the same bolshie flavor as his blame-laying. He wants to make the state itself a major electricity broker. Of course, he's not going to saddle his bureaucrat buddies with a ban on long-term contracts, and he plans to build a few power plants, too. He's also talking about szing existing operations: 'If I have to use the power of eminent domain to prevent generators from driving consumers into the dark and utilities into bankruptcy -- then that's what I will do.'"

"If nothing else, Gov. Davis' plan is certainly in-line with California's definition of 'deregulation.'"

"But it's hard to see how the situation will be improved by the direct intervention of a government that itself created this mess with a poorly designed law and a web of regulations that discourage new generating capacity. It's a bit like taking on a medical consultant who damn near kills you with quackery, then making him your full-time physician."

"Hey, here's another idea. To alleviate its power shortage, maybe California should, for once, try real deregulation."

The main points of the "deregulation:"

All in-state energy companies were forced to sell thr power generation capabilities.

All energy companies were forced to fix prices until 2002.
Quote:"Now, Gray Davis, if you've ever seen and heard him, is NOT the most appealing person in the world. I don't particularly like him, and he's completely inept at dealing with this GOP grab for power. But the fact remains, he was elected a YEAR ago, and there is no good reason to impeach him. Everyone is cynical of the government, and in this case that is bng used to advance a Republican agenda."
And, the fact also remains, enough Kalifornian's - pursuant to existing law - want to unelect him this year. Whining about your own law doesn't negate the fact it exists and is bng used as intended.

Oh, and a recall and an impeachment are two entirely different things.

I've seen AND heard Grayout. You'd be better off to be rid of him. “Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

“We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.” - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump

[Billybob]

Actor criticized for loan loophole
DONORS NOT KNOWN UNTIL AFTER ELECTION
By Barry Witt
Mercury News

Republican Arnold enegger, who last week accused Democrat Cruz Bustamante of ``skirting and violating'' California's campaign-finance laws, has found a loophole of his own that could prevent voters from knowing who is underwriting his campaign before Election Day.

enegger has loaned his two campaign committees $4.5 million, despite a voter-approved law that was supposed to restrict such loans to $100,000 in order to limit post-election fundraising. By loaning funds, candidates can tap donors after they're in office to repay the debt, and voters won't know before Election Day who really is paying for the campaign.

The actor has made political reform and the cleanup of special-interest influence in Sacramento a major platform of his campaign.

``The making of a loan of this size violates the letter and the spirit of the $100,000 loan limitation,'' said Lowell Finley, a Berkeley attorney who said he plans to file a lawsuit against enegger today in Sacramento to prevent the actor from continuing to finance his campaign with such loans.

The suit will be filed on behalf of Bill Camp, a Sacramento-area labor official supporting Gov. Gray Davis' bid to beat the Oct. 7 recall election.

``The purpose is to prevent candidates from avoiding taking contributions from potentially embarrassing or compromised contributors prior to the election by borrowing large chunks of money and figuring as soon as the election is over, the contributions will be poured in to rmburse the candidate,'' Finley said.

enegger's campaign did not respond Wednesday to repeated requests for comment, though campaign officials told the Los Angeles Times that they are following guidelines approved by the state's Fair Political Practices Commission, which oversees campaign finance laws.

The ballot argument in favor of Proposition 34, which voters approved in 2000 to reduce the amount of money flowing into California elections, said the measure was designed to stop the practice enegger now is engaged in.

``Wealthy candidates can loan thr campaigns more than $100,000, then have special interests repay thr loans. Proposition 34 closes this loophole,'' the ballot argument said.

But the FPPC -- which last month had one of its interpretations of Proposition 34 overturned in a case involving Bustamante -- decided in 2002 that the $100,000 limit doesn't apply to loans made by banks to candidates ``in the lender's regular course of business on terms available to members of the general public for which the candidate is personally liable.''

In enegger's case, he has taken out personal loans from Beverly Hills-based City National Bank, at a 4 percent interest rate, and in turn loaned the money to his campaign. As a result, even though he is prohibited from loaning more than $100,000 of his own money to his campaign, he can get a personal bank loan and flip that money to the campaign. The FPPC said campaigns can accept donations after the election to pay back such loans.

Also refusing to discuss the matter Wednesday was state Sen. Ross Johnson, R-Irvine, the enegger ally and Proposition 34 co-author who sued Bustamante for accepting large campaign contributions from casino-owning Indian tribes and public-employee unions in violation of campaign law. Bustamante said he was doing what the FPPC ruled he could do, but a Sacramento Superior Court judge ruled the agency had misinterpreted the law.

Independent analysts were stunned to learn both that the FPPC had opened the loophole and that enegger was taking advantage of it.

``The point is that we should know the contributions before the election, particularly if those contributions are going into the pocket of the candidates,'' said Robert Stern, president of the Center for Governmental Studies.

There is no limitation on the amount wealthy candidates can put directly into thr campaigns, and enegger has made $5 million in direct contributions. He can't get that money back once it's spent, but his committees will be allowed to continue raising funds after the election to repay the additional $4.5 million in bank loans.


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[Yonivore]

Do you always shoot off in different directions like this? Just what does that article have to do with the argument? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

The reason I posted this, is because there's LOTS of shady goings-on with the Arnold campaign. It all exists, you can't break it down into chunks that support your own faith. You know what I mean?
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[Yonivore]

Yeah, but can you stick to making (and supporting) one allegation at a time. You make it damn difficult to follow you. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Californian]

As a resident of California, I am disgusted at Gray "Red" Davis. He is a horrible leader, the worst in history if you ask me. And now he says that if given a chance he will do whats right for the state? He needed to face a recall to now work for the people?

Bill Simon is a loser as well. I feel that Arnold is making a mistake bringing him on board.

The only real choice in the race is McClintock. But unfortunately, he doesnt stand a chance, so you need to take what you can get, and thats Arnold.

And by the way, if you are starting a recall against Bush, please tell me where to sign! And yes, I am a Republican.

[Sassy]

....for McClintock. Wish I could. Send the Republicans a message.

Bush isn't perfect, but would you really want one of the Dem presidential wannabes rather than Bush?

Arnold is almost as liberal his Dem opponents. Why bother?

Bush is far, far less liberal than HIS Dem opponents. Also, Bush is a good man.

Having said that, thought you might be interested in this:

Bill Clinton Admired Hitler Too

We are not sure Arnold enegger admired Adolph
Hitler. If he did, he would share something with Bill
Clinton.

The Clintons' anti-Semitism is now well known.

Details of it first emerged from retired Arkansas state
trooper Larry Patterson who told NewsMax the inside
details of the Clintons' dislike of various groups.

During the six years Patterson guarded the Clintons, he
said thr deep-seated anti-Semitism became apparent in
slurs they hurled at each other. Bill Clinton also
frequently told Jewish jokes.

Patterson made the revelations in a two-hour audiotape
"More than Sex: The Secrets of Bill and Hillary Clinton
Revealed" published by NewsMax.com several years ago.

Patterson said that during the Clintons' many verbal
brawls "it was quite common" for both Bill and Hillary to
refer to each other as a "Jew
Bastard."

So far, Arnold has not been accused of such comments.

Patterson does reveal that Bill Clinton had a deep
fascination for Adolf Hitler and his book "Mn Kampf"
though.

Clinton's interest in Hitler was not based on the fascist
leader's anti-Semitism, but the great leadership skills of
Hitler, according to Patterson.

Clinton, Patterson remembered, was intrigued that Hitler
"had so much power over these people and that it had just
been a short period of time since World War I where they'd
been defeated, and this man had come forward and had
rallied the German people."
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[Californian]

I will be voting for McClintock because he is the best man for the job. I do not think he has a chance of winning, but that will not hold me from voting for him.

Secondly, Bush is selling out this country just like the administrations of the past. No, I will not side with him jsut because he was better than the past administrations.

The state of California is no longer a part of America. And Bush, as well as all the other presidents of the past, Reagan bng the biggest joke of all, are pandering to minorities. Immigration is killing this country. At l Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform Act of 1996!

Did you know Bush had planned an amnesty before 9/11? Do you know he still has these plans on his table? And this coming from the former governor of Texas? What the hell is he thinking?

Our culture is under attack. The English language is fading away. Forgn diseases are bng introduced in our country. States and the federal government are facing increasing deficits. Hospitals are closing. National identity is in decay. Unemployment is increasing. Crime is rising. And what issue plays a major factor in all of the above...illegal immigration.

History repeats itself America...remember the Roman Empire?

[Sassy]

While President Bush isn't conservative enough, he has a lot of positives. He is pro-life; pro-life organizations said that he has done more than any other president to protect life.

He has great instincts when it comes to our country's security.

He's still learning and improving. He used to like the UN, but now realizes they are not our friend.

He used to compromise with liberal Dems, but is realizing they are not HIS friend.

I don't see where crime is on the rise.

Dems AND Republicans are too soft on illegal immigration. I love Hispanic people, but I think it is arrogant for SOME of them to think we should cater to thr language.

Together we can change things. When I see something I don't like, I contact the president or my rep and even write letters to the editor with thr contact info. so hopefully others will as well.

There's a great article in Worldnetdaily.com spelling out everything McClintock stands for.

Here's just part of it.

Libertarians endorse GOP's McClintock!

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Posted: October 4, 2003
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By Steve Kubby
? 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A strange thing is happening in California politics: The GOP is turning its back on a popular, conservative Republican to support a Hollywood actor who opposes nearly every social issue the Republicans claim to stand for.

Meanwhile, Libertarians across the state of California are making an unprecedented exodus from the Libertarian party's candidate and instead supporting California state Sen. Tom McClintock, a conservative Republican. Nothing like this has happened before in the Libertarian Party and it speaks volumes about the character and integrity of Tom McClintock.

Why is McClintock attracting so much attention from the "Party of Principle"? It's because McClintock is the only candidate who is prepared to veto the reckless spending spree that has overtaken Sacramento.

In a recent cover story that appeared in the Orange County Weekly, R. Scott Moxley explains why McClintock is admired and feared for his willingness to veto spending bills. "Ask Sacramento Democrats what they think of McClintock. They'll likely tell you the last man they want holding the veto pen to thr spending habits is the relentlessly frugal 47-year-old conservative from Thousand Oaks."

I should tell you that the Orange County Weekly is anti-Bush, and anti-conservative. So a cover story endorsing McClintock is already generating "horror on the left and suspicion in establishment GOP circles," according to Moxley. But the message is too powerful to ignore: The spending spree has to stop and nobody has the guts to stop it, except McClintock.

Read the rest at WorldNetDaily.com

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[Californian]

Bush is pro-life. But whos lives is he really advocating? Maybe the fetus of an unborn baby, but how about the millions of American citizens nationwide. You speak of terrorism and his fight against it. But why arent the borders secured? Why isnt the Border Patrol and BICE provided the necessary resources to combat this increasing problem? Why are we providng incentives for people to break our laws?

And why are we providing 87 billion to Iraq now while our infrastructure is falling apart here in the United States. We take care of everyone else but ourselves. Bush is responsible. He can chase all the terrorists he wants in forgn lands, but ignoring those who wish to do us harm who are here on our own soil completely reverses those actions. He is pandering to illegals by not deporting them and thus, putting all American citizens in danger.
And we will pay the price in the end, as we already are out of our own wallet.

As for the criminal aspect of this issue, 15% of all incarcerated individuals in the California prison system are illegal immigrants. I think that says enough.
And I dont know if you are familiar with Los Angeles in particular, but you cannot even walk down the street alone anymore. Its a third world nation. There are too many gangs too even count. And the majority of these resulted from families of illegal immigrants, particularly Hispanics. Its just a fact.

Yesterday they had the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride in Queens, NY. I saw an article in the paper regarding this story accompanied with a picture. I saw about 10 Mexican flags but not one United States flag. Not one. And also all the people who participated spoke in Spanish, not one in English. Do you truly think they want to become a part of this country?