Is it true?

[Is it truee?]

Is it true that you only need 2 years of community college to be a cop in Nassau and a GED in Suffolk?

[minimummmmm]

Is it true that you only need 2 years of community college to be a cop in Nassau and a GED in Suffolk?
Yup, thats all you need to take the entrance exam, but it is easier to get into harvard then it is to get on one of those jobs, my advice is to go and get all the education you can, it looks better during the interview, and when you are not chosen you can still get a ok job.

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[Unr4e4g4i4s4t4e4red]

Yup, thats all you need to take the entrance exam, but it is easier to get into harvard then it is to get on one of those jobs, my advice is to go and get all the education you can, it looks better during the interview, and when you are not chosen you can still get a ok job.So a civil service job has more applicants per position than Harvard does?

What does that tell you - the job pays a little too much for the responsibilities and thus cutting pay and benefits will lead to similar quality at less cost. Thanks for making the argument.

[moron!!]

So a civil service job has more applicants per position than Harvard does?

What does that tell you - the job pays a little too much for the responsibilities and thus cutting pay and benefits will lead to similar quality at less cost. Thanks for making the argument.

Did it say that? I didnt read that it had more applications stupid, I read the post it clearly states it is harder to get a pd job then accepted into harvard.
Work on it dummy

[Unregisteredhahaha]

So a civil service job has more applicants per position than Harvard does?

What does that tell you - the job pays a little too much for the responsibilities and thus cutting pay and benefits will lead to similar quality at less cost. Thanks for making the argument.

You mean like the quality that the NYPD gets with less money? Less money will bring less people. Less people means you will lower your standards. Use your head jackass!

[nUnnnrnengninsntnenrnendn]

Did it say that? I didnt read that it had more applications stupid, I read the post it clearly states it is harder to get a pd job then accepted into harvard.
Work on it dummymore applications per position - again, if you have to be spoon fed everything, go to a childs forum. although chances are if you are a li cop you already troll childrens internet forums you nambla freak

[xUxnxrxexgxizsztzezrzezd]

You mean like the quality that the NYPD gets with less money? Less money will bring less people. Less people means you will lower your standards. Use your head jackass!nypd is hurting for applicants, ncpd and scpd aren't. Yes, lower the pay, we don't need 30,000 applicants for 400 positions to find good cops. If we had 15,000 applicants for 400 positions we'd still get good cops.

And with that argument, it shows you filthy pigs are only in your profession for the money.

[hard one]

nypd is hurting for applicants, ncpd and scpd aren't. Yes, lower the pay, we don't need 30,000 applicants for 400 positions to find good cops. If we had 15,000 applicants for 400 positions we'd still get good cops.

And with that argument, it shows you filthy pigs are only in your profession for the money.
What else would I work for? Do you work for free? If you had to choose between a top salary of 80k or 130 k for the same job would you choose the lower one? Oh wait I forgot, you'll never see 80k .

[jUunsrteugwiasittearneddc]

What else would I work for? Do you work for free? If you had to choose between a top salary of 80k or 130 k for the same job would you choose the lower one? Oh wait I forgot, you'll never see 80k .No but you can easily work for a top salary of 100k... slice 30K per officer across the board (along with some medical benefit cuts while we're at it and save the county a cool 75 million pretty easily. The time will come, the number fit too perfectly.

[Ben Over]

[not true! you also need political friends and a complete lack of work effert to get on Suffolk! QUOTE=Is it truee?;189696]Is it true that you only need 2 years of community college to be a cop in Nassau and a GED in Suffolk?[/QUOTE]

[top10%??]

No but you can easily work for a top salary of 100k... slice 30K per officer across the board (along with some medical benefit cuts while we're at it and save the county a cool 75 million pretty easily. The time will come, the number fit too perfectly.but its more likely, by far, that at the end of this year, you'll see a deal quite similiar to Nassau's and your scpd taxes going up about 125 bucks per household. And by 2014 we'll start seng 150k cops

[eileen dover]

[not true! you also need political friends and a complete lack of work effert to get on Suffolk! QUOTE=Is it truee?;189696]Is it true that you only need 2 years of community college to be a cop in Nassau and a GED in Suffolk?[/QUOTE]

ben, work on your quotes, once you get that down, work on your spelling( see Efforts), once you get that down, work on your amusement factor

[top 15%]

to a childs forum. although chances are if you are a li cop you already troll childrens internet forums you nambla freak
Ah your true troll colors are showing child.
lowclass disgusting white trash

[bUennrdeogviesrtered]

Ah your true troll colors are showing child.
lowclass disgusting white trash
call me the names but you are the child stalker you nasty piece of trash

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call me the names but you are the child stalker you nasty piece of trash
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please dont say we are sucking butt, its nothing but your own disgusting posts

[time will come]

No but you can easily work for a top salary of 100k... slice 30K per officer across the board (along with some medical benefit cuts while we're at it and save the county a cool 75 million pretty easily. The time will come, the number fit too perfectly.
you and every other anti cop poster ...check that, I've heard that since 1980, no I wasnt a cop back then. In 1987 my uncle joined scpd, and was told to go on food stamps because he qualified. Even back then people were saying scpd was over paid. That continued thruout the 80s, 90s, and today. Wait and see, the time will come, blah blah blah,
What has actually happened? Every "hard line on taxes" politician eventually comes around realizing the pba endorsement is huge. Some are blatantly in the corner, others like levy who has about 20 of his close friends as high ranking police chiefs, arent. What is the difference between levy and gaffney for the rank and file? Nothing. Come contract settlement, what will be the difference? Little. Look at Suozzi. All his hard line talk, and he gave a SIX year contract, Not 3 or 4 or 5. All his bs of savings, Nassau cops at top pay are giggling all the way to the bank. Yet the citizens paying thr taxes are in heaven believing suozzi got the one up on ncpd.
You are talking 30k savings, well top pay for scpd isnt 130k, its around 100-105 depending on the tour you work. The person saying he made 130 is ther including his o/t, which you cant touch or is a supervisor.
Medical benes are locked in until 2013. If we ever had to pay for them, in any way shape or form, we would be refunded the money by our union, who would raise the union dues, and then we would get it back 3 ways, as a refund by the union, as a tax deduction for our union dues, and as a tax deduction as medical payments. We already have this in place for our prescriptions.
you are in over your head,we are 5 steps ahead of the C.E.

[perceptionvsreality]

No but you can easily work for a top salary of 100k... slice 30K per officer across the board (along with some medical benefit cuts while we're at it and save the county a cool 75 million pretty easily. The time will come, the number fit too perfectly.
whats funny if you were to scroll back about a year or two ago on this very same board, the same conversation would be getting the 100k salary down to 80k, now its getting a 130k salary down to 100. Next year or soon thereafter it will be getting 140 down to 110
Even there we won.

[zzzee]

you and every other anti cop poster ...check that, I've heard that since 1980, no I wasnt a cop back then. In 1987 my uncle joined scpd, and was told to go on food stamps because he qualified. Even back then people were saying scpd was over paid. That continued thruout the 80s, 90s, and today. Wait and see, the time will come, blah blah blah,
What has actually happened? Every "hard line on taxes" politician eventually comes around realizing the pba endorsement is huge. Some are blatantly in the corner, others like levy who has about 20 of his close friends as high ranking police chiefs, arent. What is the difference between levy and gaffney for the rank and file? Nothing. Come contract settlement, what will be the difference? Little. Look at Suozzi. All his hard line talk, and he gave a SIX year contract, Not 3 or 4 or 5. All his bs of savings, Nassau cops at top pay are giggling all the way to the bank. Yet the citizens paying thr taxes are in heaven believing suozzi got the one up on ncpd.
You are talking 30k savings, well top pay for scpd isnt 130k, its around 100-105 depending on the tour you work. The person saying he made 130 is ther including his o/t, which you cant touch or is a supervisor.
Medical benes are locked in until 2013. If we ever had to pay for them, in any way shape or form, we would be refunded the money by our union, who would raise the union dues, and then we would get it back 3 ways, as a refund by the union, as a tax deduction for our union dues, and as a tax deduction as medical payments. We already have this in place for our prescriptions.
you are in over your head,we are 5 steps ahead of the C.E.

Suozzi didn't give a 6 year contract. That was agreed to by the Nassau PBA because it benefited its members. The rest of the contract was awarded by an arbirtrator which has been the case since 1998. Suffolk goes to arbitration more than nassau. If both CE's didn't have an unfair binding arbitration law which favors the unions over the taxpayer, both pd's would be making the same as the city cops. So much for "hard line on taxes politicians".

[bankrupt4]

but its more likely, by far, that at the end of this year, you'll see a deal quite similiar to Nassau's and your scpd taxes going up about 125 bucks per household. And by 2014 we'll start seng 150k cops

You have $150,000 a year cops right now. Look at the County Comptrollers report.

[workingonit]

You have $150,000 a year cops right now. Look at the County Comptrollers report. street police officers???I wish, post a link

[tommy agreed]

Suozzi didn't give a 6 year contract. That was agreed to by the Nassau PBA because it benefited its members. The rest of the contract was awarded by an arbirtrator which has been the case since 1998. Suffolk goes to arbitration more than nassau. If both CE's didn't have an unfair binding arbitration law which favors the unions over the taxpayer, both pd's would be making the same as the city cops. So much for "hard line on taxes politicians".
That was agreed to by both sides.
i'm getting confused. Some posts are claiming there is a CE knight in white armor in the near future, who will ride in and fight the evil pba, that there are huge cuts in pay and benes coming, yet others are admitting there is no power behind the ce and the pba holds all the cards.
Can you have it both ways?
didnt think so

[registeredNow]

You mean like the quality that the NYPD gets with less money? Less money will bring less people. Less people means you will lower your standards. Use your head jackass!

"Less money will bring less people. Less people means you will lower your standards."

True but NYPD tries to hire 3000 cops eve
ry year thats almost all of nassau or suffolks force. With the difference in math NYPD will always have a few more bad apples.

[Unregistered5555]

"Less money will bring less people. Less people means you will lower your standards."

True but NYPD tries to hire 3000 cops eve
ry year thats almost all of nassau or suffolks force. With the difference in math NYPD will always have a few more bad apples.

It's not the numbers. It's the fact that they let people with criminal records on the job......fact. DWI's, Assaults and various other crimes are overlooked. Thr background checks are nowhere near as thorough as Nassau and Suffolk's. Ask any guy who came over from the city. They will tell you this is true. They are getting a less qualified people because better people won't settle for NYPD. They will work elsewhere.

[zman]

It's not the numbers. It's the fact that they let people with criminal records on the job......fact. DWI's, Assaults and various other crimes are overlooked. Thr background checks are nowhere near as thorough as Nassau and Suffolk's. Ask any guy who came over from the city. They will tell you this is true. They are getting a less qualified people because better people won't settle for NYPD. They will work elsewhere.

You're right when you say that the NYPD lets people on with criminal records. But the NCPD is the only pd in the nation who has a cop convicted of perjury while on the job for an arrest he made on duty and is still bng employed as a cop but can't patrol the streets. Lets not forget the SCPD cop who was sent to jail for a burglary he committed while in uniform and on duty. So much for the tough background checks of the NC/sc pds.

[bankrupt2]

You have $150,000 a year cops right now. Look at the County Comptrollers report.

Audit done by the Nassau County Comptroller. Check thr web site. Or better still just look at your own W-2form for 2007.

[save it!!!]

You're right when you say that the NYPD lets people on with criminal records. But the NCPD is the only pd in the nation who has a cop convicted of perjury while on the job for an arrest he made on duty and is still bng employed as a cop but can't patrol the streets. Lets not forget the SCPD cop who was sent to jail for a burglary he committed while in uniform and on duty. So much for the tough background checks of the NC/sc pds.
the suffolk cop that was arrested and convicted by his own dept? The one in a every 2000?
Look bad cops get thru, of course, but less out here by far then the city.
Abd there are numerous city cops that have been arrested out here, for a variety of offenses and kept thr jobs.

[soon enough]

Audit done by the Nassau County Comptroller. Check thr web site. Or better still just look at your own W-2form for 2007.

post a link please, and my w-2 says Suffolk, and its not near 150k, its about 1/3 shy of it.
And remember we arent talking special units, detectives or supervisors, we are talking about patrol cops.

[Unregistered569559677]

the suffolk cop that was arrested and convicted by his own dept? The one in a every 2000?
Look bad cops get thru, of course, but less out here by far then the city.
Abd there are numerous city cops that have been arrested out here, for a variety of offenses and kept thr jobs.

ZMAN - The REAL DEAL on the Suffolk Cop - I am his father in law, and I was a NYPD detective for 29 years. I am known as PETEF - expect some posts of ridicule as soon as the criminals in SCPD read this.

The cop was FRAMED by detectives in Tom Spota's office. While the cop was volunteering in Iraq in Desert Storm, the ranking cop who led the frame was banging whores in the back of his radio car. I am told there is even a charge against him in his file that he kicked in a door of a prostitute after he realized he left his weapon behind.

The other cop who helped the frame was himself rebuked by Judge Namm in 1992, when he threw out a burglary charge of a man that the judge said the cop tortured for a confession. The cop caused permanent damage to the victim, including, knocking out his teeth with a blackjack - in an empty lot - rear cuffed, or course. The cop is fondly known as RATMAN by those that adore him. He also works closely with Door Kicker and Spota.

If you are a cop ask the three cops who were in the court when RATMAN testified, they will tell you what PERJURY really sounds like.

The DA wanted to find a pigeon anyway to give the impression that you seemed to get in your post: SCPD arrests thr own. Truth is IAB had NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH IT. It wasn't even reported to IAB - Spota's detectives, the Door Kicker and The Ratman, leading the charge.

Right on this VERY board you will see that IAB is a joke. When I was there to give evidence of corruption I was bng mocked on this board before I even left the building.

Look for the THREAD - PERJURED TESTIMONY IN COP TRIAL - 9/7/06 beginning at 5:29PM to the next day. The time is depending on whatever quirks there are with this Board. It may show up as 629PM.

SCPD is a JOKE of a police department. Damned shame is there are a LOT of good people there trying to do a decent job and don't have a clue of the cancer surrounding them that will sooner of later infect them.

[Unregistered679456544]

While the cop who was framed was in elementary school, another cop was at the very l hanging out with burglars ripping off scores of homes in Smithtown.

While the framed cop was in elementary school, the cop who framed him was giving testimony against his school chums for murdering one of thr friends known as John Pius - it is in the record. Read Newsday on 3/10, or 3/9/90, and see what his testimony is all about. Pay particular attention to what John Pius Sr. testified to.

While the Framed Cop was near going to Iraq serving his country, the cop who framed him was telling the jury that he was never convicted of a crime. He was technically correct as he was arrested for DWI and he plead out to a lesser crime. He also admitted to taking an occasional puff or two.

Yes, good question: How do some of these people get into the police departments?

[Unregisertered]

While the cop who was framed was in elementary school, another cop was at the very l hanging out with burglars ripping off scores of homes in Smithtown.

While the framed cop was in elementary school, the cop who framed him was giving testimony against his school chums for murdering one of thr friends known as John Pius - it is in the record. Read Newsday on 3/10, or 3/9/90, and see what his testimony is all about. Pay particular attention to what John Pius Sr. testified to.

While the Framed Cop was near going to Iraq serving his country, the cop who framed him was telling the jury that he was never convicted of a crime. He was technically correct as he was arrested for DWI and he plead out to a lesser crime. He also admitted to taking an occasional puff or two.

Yes, good question: How do some of these people get into the police departments?

look we understand your agnst. It must stink to be in your position. However the supposed dirty cop who you are talking about was hired in what 1980? Hardly relevant to the discussion. We are discussing the current standards of both the county and city jobs.
When someone is guilty he points to his accusors guilt to lessen his own. It doesnt make him or the person he is defending less guilty, and its obvious.
You are biased, you have a family member who was tried and convicted of a crime. And you are doing what every family member would, try to clear his name.

[zman]

the suffolk cop that was arrested and convicted by his own dept? The one in a every 2000?
Look bad cops get thru, of course, but less out here by far then the city.
Abd there are numerous city cops that have been arrested out here, for a variety of offenses and kept thr jobs.
There isn't one cop in the NYPD nor in the country who was convicted of perjury and allowed to keep his job. Thats like a school teacher convicted of child abuse and allowed to keep his job. Do you think any school board in thr right mind would do that. Well, the NCPD did.
Then there was the cop who sexually molested innocent female motorists and the cop convicted of illegal use of steroids and of course there is always the "property clerk" cop. And since cops look the other way when it comes to fellow officers,lets say indiscretions, there could be hundreds more out there who were never arrested for various crimes. For example ,the NCPD cops not following proper procedure when the Inspector crashed his department vehicle and was not given a breathylizer until the DA's office got wind of it and subsequently got a conviction.

[bankrupt2]

post a link please, and my w-2 says Suffolk, and its not near 150k, its about 1/3 shy of it.
And remember we arent talking special units, detectives or supervisors, we are talking about patrol cops.

Thats about $50,000, which means ther your in the pa or just out. Tell me what your salary is in 3 years. Or better yet, tell us what one of your 15 or 20 year veterans have made in 2007. Guess what, $150,000. So lets stop bsing and be truthful.

[procedure]

There isn't one cop in the NYPD nor in the country who was convicted of perjury and allowed to keep his job. Thats like a school teacher convicted of child abuse and allowed to keep his job. Do you think any school board in thr right mind would do that. Well, the NCPD did.
Then there was the cop who sexually molested innocent female motorists and the cop convicted of illegal use of steroids and of course there is always the "property clerk" cop. And since cops look the other way when it comes to fellow officers,lets say indiscretions, there could be hundreds more out there who were never arrested for various crimes. For example ,the NCPD cops not following proper procedure when the Inspector crashed his department vehicle and was not given a breathylizer until the DA's office got wind of it and subsequently got a conviction.
once again, I'm not too familiar with ncpd or the cop convicted of perjury, you might wan to find a ncpd board to talk on. The cop who"molested" innocent motorists? Are you again referring to the hiway guy who had some kind of intercourse with the hooker from last century?
As far as proper procedure during a dwi accident, you havent a clue. I'm certain it was explained already, it is PROCEDURE not to give a breathalyzer after a crash, it is procedure to take a blood sample. Btw so you know, you have by nys law a 2 hour window to get the sample, and if there is no serious injuries to anyone but the victim, you cannot force or get a court order for a blood sample. Again not too familiar with that incident but those are the rules cops play by for everyone. Only a D.A. can supoena the blood drawn from the hospital.

[procedure]

Thats about $50,000, which means ther your in the pa or just out. Tell me what your salary is in 3 years. Or better yet, tell us what one of your 15 or 20 year veterans have made in 2007. Guess what, $150,000. So lets stop bsing and be truthful.
Nope I'm full salary in suffolk county, 9 years on. Because of my families schedule, I do not work o/t. I usually clear between 102-107. I believe top pay for a cop is right around 105 right now.
There are guys who make less, for example guys who dont work night tours. If you make 150k you are probably working 500-700 hours o/t, a supervisor or like I said not NOT IN PATROL.
Argue all you want, the average patrol cop works between 150-200 hours o/t 200 hours equals 10,000 dollars. That means you are making between 110-115,000. Guys with 20 years on that are still in patrol are not working 500+ hours.
I dont know why you think I'm lying. If 150 was easily do-able, i'd love to come on here and rub it in your face.

[head spinning]

There isn't one cop in the NYPD nor in the country who was convicted of perjury and allowed to keep his job. Thats like a school teacher convicted of child abuse and allowed to keep his job. Do you think any school board in thr right mind would do that. Well, the NCPD did.
Then there was the cop who sexually molested innocent female motorists and the cop convicted of illegal use of steroids and of course there is always the "property clerk" cop. And since cops look the other way when it comes to fellow officers,lets say indiscretions, there could be hundreds more out there who were never arrested for various crimes. For example ,the NCPD cops not following proper procedure when the Inspector crashed his department vehicle and was not given a breathylizer until the DA's office got wind of it and subsequently got a conviction.
Its funny you say in one breathe how cops look the other way, yet list a few of many cops that were arrested by other cops.

[head spinning]

There isn't one cop in the NYPD nor in the country who was convicted of perjury and allowed to keep his job. Thats like a school teacher convicted of child abuse and allowed to keep his job. Do you think any school board in thr right mind would do that. Well, the NCPD did.
Then there was the cop who sexually molested innocent female motorists and the cop convicted of illegal use of steroids and of course there is always the "property clerk" cop. And since cops look the other way when it comes to fellow officers,lets say indiscretions, there could be hundreds more out there who were never arrested for various crimes. For example ,the NCPD cops not following proper procedure when the Inspector crashed his department vehicle and was not given a breathylizer until the DA's office got wind of it and subsequently got a conviction.
ncpd allowed him to keep his job, or that was the agreement the D.A.'S office made with the defendant? Last time I checked police depts cant over rule a D.a's office

[pointless]

You're right when you say that the NYPD lets people on with criminal records. But the NCPD is the only pd in the nation who has a cop convicted of perjury while on the job for an arrest he made on duty and is still bng employed as a cop but can't patrol the streets. Lets not forget the SCPD cop who was sent to jail for a burglary he committed while in uniform and on duty. So much for the tough background checks of the NC/sc pds.So you have 1 ncpd cop convicted of a misd. while working. And you have at l 7 nypd cops convicted of a misd while employed by nypd last year.( in my pct ) and not lost thr jobs. And you have dozens currenlty bng hired every year already bng convicted of misd. by the nypd.

[Unregistered67685967]

look we understand your agnst. It must stink to be in your position. However the supposed dirty cop who you are talking about was hired in what 1980? Hardly relevant to the discussion. We are discussing the current standards of both the county and city jobs.
When someone is guilty he points to his accusors guilt to lessen his own. It doesnt make him or the person he is defending less guilty, and its obvious.
You are biased, you have a family member who was tried and convicted of a crime. And you are doing what every family member would, try to clear his name.


While you may find it difficult to believe my bias doesn't run as deep as you might believe. I came into this case actually looking for evidence of guilt, both for prosfessional reasons, and personal reasons. I,too, believed there must have been SOME guilt - why would they do this. I needed to know for myself in order to lessen the blow that if he should go to jail I would at l know he deserved it.

I will tell you AGAIN, if I had a bias it was directed towards GUILT, and not INNOCENCE.

He was actually hired in the early 1990's, not in 1980.

The only reason I point to others of real guilt is to demonstrate that the bad guys framed an innocent man, and they got away with it.

One thing I learned in my years in the PD, if you have something to hide yourself, don't make waves and don't rock the boat. They got Nixon. They got Noriega (not comparing Nixon to Noriega - Nixon was our last great president), they got a great DA named Tom Mackall, and they can get the pipsqueaks in Suffolk County.

I would expect you to think I am driven by anger and revenge. I would think the same of you in similar circumstances. Fact is I am somewhat pleased that you would defend your own police department. I would. But there comes a time when one has to realize certain people are out of control. They will cause pain one day to all of you.

The kid is INNOCENT, and that is beyond a shadow of any doubt. Unless there is a crime for having a perecved bad personality, I firmly believe that he is innocent.

I am sure you know I have been posting the trial on many Boards. NOT ONCE have I recved a message disputing ANY FACTUAL PART OF THE EVIDENCE I HAVE PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE OF INNOCENCE.

You really don't have a clue as to my deepest personal feelings are concerning this wrongfully convicted former cop. If the day ever comes that my daughter is no longer married to him and suffers the consequences of what happens in a divorce and custody hearing, I would champion his cause to the bitter end no matter if I had cause to hate him as long as I still believed he was innocent.

Be patient, it will all come to surface that those who have intentionally persecuted him to protect thr own interests will be made to pay for thr crimes. And I don't mean the criminals they forced to lie to convict him.

There is enough blood to go around to cover the hands of those guilty of convicting this innocent man - the kool-aid drinking jurors are just a much a part of this as the crooked cops and the DA.

[Unreg3eistered]

While you may find it difficult to believe my bias doesn't run as deep as you might believe. I came into this case actually looking for evidence of guilt, both for prosfessional reasons, and personal reasons. I,too, believed there must have been SOME guilt - why would they do this. I needed to know for myself in order to lessen the blow that if he should go to jail I would at l know he deserved it.

I will tell you AGAIN, if I had a bias it was directed towards GUILT, and not INNOCENCE.

He was actually hired in the early 1990's, not in 1980.

The only reason I point to others of real guilt is to demonstrate that the bad guys framed an innocent man, and they got away with it.

One thing I learned in my years in the PD, if you have something to hide yourself, don't make waves and don't rock the boat. They got Nixon. They got Noriega (not comparing Nixon to Noriega - Nixon was our last great president), they got a great DA named Tom Mackall, and they can get the pipsqueaks in Suffolk County.

I would expect you to think I am driven by anger and revenge. I would think the same of you in similar circumstances. Fact is I am somewhat pleased that you would defend your own police department. I would. But there comes a time when one has to realize certain people are out of control. They will cause pain one day to all of you.

The kid is INNOCENT, and that is beyond a shadow of any doubt. Unless there is a crime for having a perecved bad personality, I firmly believe that he is innocent.

I am sure you know I have been posting the trial on many Boards. NOT ONCE have I recved a message disputing ANY FACTUAL PART OF THE EVIDENCE I HAVE PRESENTED AS EVIDENCE OF INNOCENCE.

You really don't have a clue as to my deepest personal feelings are concerning this wrongfully convicted former cop. If the day ever comes that my daughter is no longer married to him and suffers the consequences of what happens in a divorce and custody hearing, I would champion his cause to the bitter end no matter if I had cause to hate him as long as I still believed he was innocent.

Be patient, it will all come to surface that those who have intentionally persecuted him to protect thr own interests will be made to pay for thr crimes. And I don't mean the criminals they forced to lie to convict him.

There is enough blood to go around to cover the hands of those guilty of convicting this innocent man - the kool-aid drinking jurors are just a much a part of this as the crooked cops and the DA.
See thats where you are wrong, the da and thr squad are not part of my dept. Not one cop believes they are. They doa nd operate differently.

[pointless2]

So you have 1 ncpd cop convicted of a misd. while working. And you have at l 7 nypd cops convicted of a misd while employed by nypd last year.( in my pct ) and not lost thr jobs. And you have dozens currenlty bng hired every year already bng convicted of misd. by the nypd.

But not PERJURY. And the NYPD cops can at l perform patrol duties.

[rediculousstatement]

ncpd allowed him to keep his job, or that was the agreement the D.A.'S office made with the defendant? Last time I checked police depts cant over rule a D.a's office

No DA can tell a PC who not to fire or hire or retain a cop who was convicted of a serious crime. But, yet, this is Nassau County. Do you think any DA would tell a school district not to fire a teacher who was convicted of child abuse.

[pigsarepointless]

But not PERJURY. And the NYPD cops can at l perform patrol duties.These stupid LI PIGS will say anything to defend thr pathetic departments. They know the facts, and the facts are that the LI pigs are overpaid and underworked college flunkies that couldn't get out of crayola U aka Nassau and Suffolk community college.

[Unregistered67778898778]

See thats where you are wrong, the da and thr squad are not part of my dept. Not one cop believes they are. They doa nd operate differently.


THERE are two different groups of investigators: Those who are part of the SCPD and do most of thr work for the DA, and are therefore virtually under his control. Then there are the civilian investigators who work for the DA.

The SCPD cops get paid by the SCPD, and the Civilians are paid by the DA -
Both units are under the command of a SCPD Inspector, formerly a teenage witness in a murder case for guess who..........tom spota, who else?

but you are right about the DA Squad not bng part of the SCPD. They are the Organized Crime Family of the SCPD. The rest of you are just plain ole working slugs bitching and moaning like most cops seem to do in any department no matter how good or bad things are.

[rubber gunner]

But not PERJURY. And the NYPD cops can at l perform patrol duties.
So you are comfortable with a otj cop who has been convicted of assault 3, and then 2 months later arrested for felony crim. contempt and pled down to misd. contempt? Or another caught purchasing drugs, and ran from the police throwing the white powdery substance into a pond? Or beats his wife and throws a brick through her windshield? I could go on and on, I have 14 years of stories to share compared to the one you've read. A guy lied to stretch a arrest of someone who no doubt should have been arrested. But he didnt attack a innocent person, or break his wife's jaw in front of his 3 kids.
And no they certainly do not remain on the street, they are rubber gunned, put in a closet or other suitable hinding spot and told to beat it after 20 years.

[rediculousstatement]

No DA can tell a PC who not to fire or hire or retain a cop who was convicted of a serious crime. But, yet, this is Nassau County. Do you think any DA would tell a school district not to fire a teacher who was convicted of child abuse.
Do you mean ridiculous? You cant even spell but you are telling the world the politics of local govt. If the da goes to the commish and advises him of the the deal, the commish is going to go with it. If you reread the post it doesnt say the da told the commish anything. Its something worked out between the two depts.

[rediculousstatement]

These stupid LI PIGS will say anything to defend thr pathetic departments. They know the facts, and the facts are that the LI pigs are overpaid and underworked college flunkies that couldn't get out of crayola U aka Nassau and Suffolk community college.
Ahh the green voice of jealousy, wait til next contract trailer trash, you'll be in N.C. with the rest of the shit that never should have moved out here.
Its inevitable you'll be priced off L.I. You SHOULD have gotten a degree or a real job that you could have manned up and taken care of yourself,
bye bye.

[rediculousstatement]

THERE are two different groups of investigators: Those who are part of the SCPD and do most of thr work for the DA, and are therefore virtually under his control. Then there are the civilian investigators who work for the DA.

The SCPD cops get paid by the SCPD, and the Civilians are paid by the DA -
Both units are under the command of a SCPD Inspector, formerly a teenage witness in a murder case for guess who..........tom spota, who else?

but you are right about the DA Squad not bng part of the SCPD. They are the Organized Crime Family of the SCPD. The rest of you are just plain ole working slugs bitching and moaning like most cops seem to do in any department no matter how good or bad things are.
Oh I'm fully aware of who is who thank you. They are cops by name only, we dont talk to them anymore then Ia or other jobs like that.
Hey listen, we dont bitch that much out here, maybe Ray-ray did and thats why he perped out, most guys who knew him said he was a miserable piece of garbage.
Of course there are sad sacks on this job, there are on every job, remember we see you people everyday and how too many of you do not see how good you have it. Personally I think bitching and moaning is the Long Island birthright...LOL......... just read through these posts and look how many jealous miserable fucks are spending hours of thr lives moaning and crying about us, instead of trying to improve themselves.
Me? I'm happy as a pig in shit(LOL no pun intended) good job, been done with patrol for 5 years now, enough money for the kids to go to college, house paid off, and a modest business on the side.

[Unregistered454567789]

Oh I'm fully aware of who is who thank you. They are cops by name only, we dont talk to them anymore then Ia or other jobs like that.
Hey listen, we dont bitch that much out here, maybe Ray-ray did and thats why he perped out, most guys who knew him said he was a miserable piece of garbage.
Of course there are sad sacks on this job, there are on every job, remember we see you people everyday and how too many of you do not see how good you have it. Personally I think bitching and moaning is the Long Island birthright...LOL......... just read through these posts and look how many jealous miserable fucks are spending hours of thr lives moaning and crying about us, instead of trying to improve themselves.
Me? I'm happy as a pig in shit(LOL no pun intended) good job, been done with patrol for 5 years now, enough money for the kids to go to college, house paid off, and a modest business on the side.

At last I found a guy who seems to understand he has a decent enough job with a decent enough pay so that he could provide his family with as much of the American Dream as possible. You understand the bitching isn't necessarily a negative.

What I found interesting about your reply about Ray is that you have followed a long pattern of those who have knocked him and seem to get some pleasure of his predicament. The PATTERN has always concerned itself with his personality and not that he committed a crime. Let me tell you my friend if they start locking up cops for personality disorders the cars will soon be empty.

I can't tell you if he was a good cop, a bad cop, or just a run of the mill cop. I can't tell you how he interacted with the other cops. I just don't know. What I do know is a lot of guys didn't seem to like him. I won't defend that position, because I can't.

I am glad the foot troops don't consider the DA squad part of the SCPD - GREAT! They are criminals pretending to be cops. NOT ALL of them - just a select few who run the place. To the extent the decent ones remain silent makes them part of the problem.

Get the pension and RUN!!!! things are changing.

[Dirty Harry]

At last I found a guy who seems to understand he has a decent enough job with a decent enough pay so that he could provide his family with as much of the American Dream as possible. You understand the bitching isn't necessarily a negative.

What I found interesting about your reply about Ray is that you have followed a long pattern of those who have knocked him and seem to get some pleasure of his predicament. The PATTERN has always concerned itself with his personality and not that he committed a crime. Let me tell you my friend if they start locking up cops for personality disorders the cars will soon be empty.

I can't tell you if he was a good cop, a bad cop, or just a run of the mill cop. I can't tell you how he interacted with the other cops. I just don't know. What I do know is a lot of guys didn't seem to like him. I won't defend that position, because I can't.

I am glad the foot troops don't consider the DA squad part of the SCPD - GREAT! They are criminals pretending to be cops. NOT ALL of them - just a select few who run the place. To the extent the decent ones remain silent makes them part of the problem.

Get the pension and RUN!!!! things are changing.

I agree with you about the people who run the show. Both the DA's office and the PD. Bunch of corrupt egotistical assholes. They don't care who they destroy if it will advance thr position. The cops answering calls and doing the job are almost without exception good people trying to earn a living and provide for thr families. The hypocrites at the top don't even pretend to follow the same rules that they require everyone else to follow. That said, every now and then they get something right. Maybe by blind luck, maybe once in a while they actually WANT to get something right. I worked with Ray. No one wanted him on thr calls. Too quick to put his hands on people, too quick to lose his cool. Too stupid. He always made things worse. We all watched him gain 50 lbs of muscle in 6 months. He was one of those guys you always wondered about. We all figured sooner or later he would get into trouble. We only hoped he didn't take someone down with him. I don't have to strain my imagination to see him involved in "questionable" activities.

[rediculousstatement]

At last I found a guy who seems to understand he has a decent enough job with a decent enough pay so that he could provide his family with as much of the American Dream as possible. You understand the bitching isn't necessarily a negative.

What I found interesting about your reply about Ray is that you have followed a long pattern of those who have knocked him and seem to get some pleasure of his predicament. The PATTERN has always concerned itself with his personality and not that he committed a crime. Let me tell you my friend if they start locking up cops for personality disorders the cars will soon be empty.

I can't tell you if he was a good cop, a bad cop, or just a run of the mill cop. I can't tell you how he interacted with the other cops. I just don't know. What I do know is a lot of guys didn't seem to like him. I won't defend that position, because I can't.

I am glad the foot troops don't consider the DA squad part of the SCPD - GREAT! They are criminals pretending to be cops. NOT ALL of them - just a select few who run the place. To the extent the decent ones remain silent makes them part of the problem.

Get the pension and RUN!!!! things are changing.
I got news for you, I'm not select company. Most of the guys I work with are happy. Right now suffolk is still the kind of job that will reward you for bng active and working hard.
Yes we complain about things, not the job, but the dept's policies that are inept, and the nuts we have to deal with at times. But we have a good stable job, something that separates us from the majority of the miserable wretches posting here. Going to about 300 domestics a year, you find the root of most of them are finances, in one shape or form. Watching people fight over who should buy or spend what, and not bng able to have a discussion without a ref, you realize how simple job security matters.
I neve worked with ray, but I've been around in a bunch of details and special assignments. I've worked around other who worked with him, and they all say they saw this coming.
The job is changing and it has been for a while. The issues you are discussing are not new, they've existed as long as the good ole boys have ran the dept.
Its not a matter of taking the pension and running, its a matter of changing with the job. When they get to the point the nypd has fallen to, you'll see li cops reacting the way city cops do, finding a niche and hiding.

[pointless2]

So you are comfortable with a otj cop who has been convicted of assault 3, and then 2 months later arrested for felony crim. contempt and pled down to misd. contempt? Or another caught purchasing drugs, and ran from the police throwing the white powdery substance into a pond? Or beats his wife and throws a brick through her windshield? I could go on and on, I have 14 years of stories to share compared to the one you've read. A guy lied to stretch a arrest of someone who no doubt should have been arrested. But he didnt attack a innocent person, or break his wife's jaw in front of his 3 kids.
And no they certainly do not remain on the street, they are rubber gunned, put in a closet or other suitable hinding spot and told to beat it after 20 years.
First, not one of them committed perjury. A cop committing perjury is anathema to the criminal justice system and destroys the public's trust in thr police.
Secondly, I don't live in the city so I don't care what they do. I live in Nassau and I don't want to pay the high taxes I pay for a corrupt cop who committed perjury to continually make 6 figures a year to mop of the precinct floor. Just like you wouldn't want to see a teacher who was convicted of child abuse, teaching your kids. The analogy is the same. Shame on you for defending this position and shame on the NCPD for allowing this to happen.

[Unregzzzaistered]

First, not one of them committed perjury. A cop committing perjury is anathema to the criminal justice system and destroys the public's trust in thr police.
Secondly, I don't live in the city so I don't care what they do. I live in Nassau and I don't want to pay the high taxes I pay for a corrupt cop who committed perjury to continually make 6 figures a year to mop of the precinct floor. Just like you wouldn't want to see a teacher who was convicted of child abuse, teaching your kids. The analogy is the same. Shame on you for defending this position and shame on the NCPD for allowing this to happen. So lying is worse then assault, criminal contempt, stalking, falslely reporting a incident or buying drugs?
If you didnt care why did you did you wait until you were proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt to state such?
Where did I defend him? I simply pointed out there are many cops who commit crimes and retain thr jobs. I obviously dont make these calls.
And you live in Nassau, suprise not one nassau cop posts here that I know of, so why waste your time arguing on a suffolk board with suffolk cops about something they dotn know anything about??

[pointless2]

So lying is worse then assault, criminal contempt, stalking, falslely reporting a incident or buying drugs?
If you didnt care why did you did you wait until you were proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt to state such?
Where did I defend him? I simply pointed out there are many cops who commit crimes and retain thr jobs. I obviously dont make these calls.
And you live in Nassau, suprise not one nassau cop posts here that I know of, so why waste your time arguing on a suffolk board with suffolk cops about something they dotn know anything about??

Where have you proven me wrong. I stated you won't find one cop in the NYPD or in the entire nation who was convicted of perjury, and still be employed as a cop other than in Nassau. You brought up the other crimes that cops do, and not one of them was for perjury. And yes, perjury, is worse than assult , etc.
And if you didn't have just a GE Diploma you would see that your the one who is defending(arguing) for this miscreant cop. Why else would you use the NYPD as an example if you werent offended that a "Nassau cop" could do such a dastardly act. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't have said anything. But obviously it did.

[sharp point]

Where have you proven me wrong. I stated you won't find one cop in the NYPD or in the entire nation who was convicted of perjury, and still be employed as a cop other than in Nassau. You brought up the other crimes that cops do, and not one of them was for perjury. And yes, perjury, is worse than assult , etc.
And if you didn't have just a GE Diploma you would see that your the one who is defending(arguing) for this miscreant cop. Why else would you use the NYPD as an example if you werent offended that a "Nassau cop" could do such a dastardly act. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't have said anything. But obviously it did.Perjury 3 is worse then felony crim contempt? felony posession? felony assault?
I'm not defending anyone, nor does it bother me, not my dept, and I didnt commit any crimes just pointing out your mistakes. quit bng paranoid.
Ged? In your dreams chum. I'm still accruing credits and getting refunded by my job, hell the academy floated me over 30 credits from suffolk, in a field unrelated to my bachelors...tool

[Unregistered34549567]

I agree with you about the people who run the show. Both the DA's office and the PD. Bunch of corrupt egotistical assholes. They don't care who they destroy if it will advance thr position. The cops answering calls and doing the job are almost without exception good people trying to earn a living and provide for thr families. The hypocrites at the top don't even pretend to follow the same rules that they require everyone else to follow. That said, every now and then they get something right. Maybe by blind luck, maybe once in a while they actually WANT to get something right. I worked with Ray. No one wanted him on thr calls. Too quick to put his hands on people, too quick to lose his cool. Too stupid. He always made things worse. We all watched him gain 50 lbs of muscle in 6 months. He was one of those guys you always wondered about. We all figured sooner or later he would get into trouble. We only hoped he didn't take someone down with him. I don't have to strain my imagination to see him involved in "questionable" activities.

AS FAR AS RAY GOES AS A COP. I don't know how he performed as a cop. I have heard your negative remarks before. For all I know I heard it from you. But that seems to be the general feeling. The one thing that really disturbed me was when I learned that Hickey had said to Ray's brother when he met him in court that if he was in a tight spot, Ray was the one guy he wanted to have his back. Honest? that really put a lot in focus.

Making things worse at a call? I have seen my share of those people. I hear you. Not that I agree with you about Ray, but I will take your word there was at l something there.

Steroids? It is what it is. He never admitted it to me - don't ask, don't tell. But if he did take them he did so when the PD was not testing. There were at l three other guys in the 3rd suspected of steroid use. One was a detective. That DID NOT come from Ray, it came from a supervisor.

Steroids ain't burglary. Bng a jack***, ain't burglary. None of what I saw was burglary.

You don't frame a man for crimes you know he didn't commit. It seems to me that the idea he wasn't going to get strong support from guys like yourself (no shot intended) is what made them believe they could get away with it.

He really didn't know anyone. What I have found about him is his biggest problem is he wants to be liked by everyone. That can get kind of nerdy. That is the basis of his allegedly faulty personality.

It was a time to rally around him, not avoid him. Believe me, and I know you can't, is it can happen to ANYONE. It happened to Ray after he retired.

ANY COP who now responds to a 10-72 without a back-up/witness is a fool. Yeah, I know, I don't do things that will jam me. Ray didn't think so ther. Truth is no cop should respond to a 10-72 for any reason without a back up. You get hurt when you l expect it.

Ray's desire to be a nice guy is what led him to take the KK call. He was there writing a ticket. Hickey was working that night. Hickey had caused to be pissed at him for blowing a 10 -72 6 months earlier when he took his time responding to a break in a deli. He was taking his time. A call came in for a domesctic violence call and Ray went there, but first said the burglary call was OK - it was NOT. Just a friggen stupid screw up.

Hickey caught him with his pants down on the deli burg. I would guess Ray made a subconscious decision to please Hickey and pick up a job to show he wasn't a slacker. It would be the worst decision he would make in his life. Not that it mattered a wit. The other two burglaries were fabrications entirely, open cases with real suspects they never caught so they pinned them on Ray. There were two others offered as Molineux evidence. Also, bullspit. Made up because they were opened.

Look the first three burgs was said to be when he was working. there were NO GPS in the cars.

the next three were for the following year when there was a GPS in the cars. They switched off to off - duty. One of the three crimes linked, and dropped was the perp saying he did the Strathmore robbery when Ray was actually in Spain.

Call him what you want: a bad cop, a heavy handed cop, a pain in the butt, a schemer and a scammer, I won't argue, nor have you EVER read in the thousands of posts I have made that I said Ray was a GREAT SUPER DUPER GUY. I based it on the evidence. and I am going to do my damned best to see the criminals pay for it.

[Unre12gisterse4d78]

Where have you proven me wrong. I stated you won't find one cop in the NYPD or in the entire nation who was convicted of perjury, and still be employed as a cop other than in Nassau. You brought up the other crimes that cops do, and not one of them was for perjury. And yes, perjury, is worse than assult , etc.
And if you didn't have just a GE Diploma you would see that your the one who is defending(arguing) for this miscreant cop. Why else would you use the NYPD as an example if you werent offended that a "Nassau cop" could do such a dastardly act. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't have said anything. But obviously it did.
Thats kind of like saying not one cops been written a summons for speeding but this nassau cop, and comparing that to 10 cops who have had dwis.
Lying is worse then bng in the company of drug dealers,loiterin with another person for the purpose of using selling or purchasing drugs, observing a drug dealer in posession of drugs, engaging in the sale(drug dealer) and the purchase (the cop) of drugs and then posessing the drugs yourself? You have just broken 4-5 laws, at l 2 of them are felonies, and about 2 dozen dept policies in regards to not taking police action on a crime you've observed, engaging in criminal activity, and knowingly associating with criminals.

[Unregistered4595675845]

This is the real deal on what really happened. You do remember the original steroid arrests of the SCPD cop, the NYPD sergeant, the SCPD cop’s brother, a NYS trooper, and another trooper, and a group of civilians, including the gym owner.

The SCPD cop was my daughter’s boyfriend for two years. The cop is hanging out with a stock swindler who will swindle up to $1.25M from other cops, and civilians. The cop goes from 150K to 250K of his and his parent’s money. The swindler promises the kid fame and fortune; he will make him a movie star and film producer. The cop goes hook, line, and sinker. The relationship is going into the dumps because the boyfriend is lying to her that he isn’t hanging out with the swindler. She sees what no one else can see: The guy is a crook. She warns the kid and his family that if the cop continues with this evil man, he will be ruined. They are stuck with a very big investment and decide to run out the string to get back thr money.

The swindler is wining and dining the kid. He takes him to Hollywood, and Trumps place in Palm Beach. The kid is impressed. The swindler is probably taking the kid around with his own money because he has little of his own. He is robbing from Peter to pay Paul.

While he is sucking in the cop and other cops, including one now working in the DA Squad, a very good friend of the cop, he is also doing another stock scheme with some very high end swindlers who have stolen hundreds of millions in a dizzying array of swindles. The swindler gets indicted for the other swindle. He gets indicted and convicted, and is to report to Fort Dix on 6/4/02 to serve one year in federal prison.

Sometime in early 2001, the daughter has enough and breaks it off from the cop. The SIL, to be is a friend of the cop. After several months after the break-up the SIL asks for a date. He hides this from his friend for the usual reasons.

There comes a time in late 2001, which the cop calls the house for my daughter and her answering machine is on with the volume up. I hear a very chilling phone call from the cop that makes me believe he could possibly take his own life and the life of my daughter. I ask the daughter what is going on and she gives me a batch of disturbing letters. I have to do something to prevent them getting hurt, and stop him before he ruins his career. We had been getting information that he was about town under the influence of drugs.

Not wanting to get this kid in trouble I reach out to a friend to make a discreet inquiry as to the mental state of the cop. What I get is a brief report the kid is in serious trouble with IAB. I don’t want to call the cop or his parents because I know if I call them they will badger me with questions and ask about my source. I suspect the cop’s phone might be tapped. It wasn’t at the time, but it was later. I didn’t know that, of course. What do I do? I go to the PBA with the tape in hand and thr mouths fall open. I tell them he is under investigation. They seem not to believe me and tell me there is no investigation. I beg them to bring the kid in and do everything possible to save him from impending doom. I won’t call the parents because now the SIL is in the picture, and, frankly, it is too embarrassing for me. I am not happy with the situation – I was a cop. With all the ‘fish’ in the sea, my son in law has to pick her. I warn him to stay away from all those he has associated with his friend. If the kid goes down he is likely to make up anything he can about the son in law out of revenge. The fact is when the cop got arrested he didn’t give the SIL up because there was nothing to tell.
He was arrested in September 2002. The PBA apparently did nothing with my request: bring him in, get his head on right, and save him from impending doom. I have no beefs with the cop. He isn’t a bad kid, he is only a mixed up one.

Because the son in law took up with his friend’s girlfriend, the SIL was ostracized from the gym. He was no longer welcome. This may have prevented him from getting snared up in the eventual steroid investigation and arrests. How lucky can a guy get? He gets the girl, gets ¾’s, and avoids a possible arrest.

The cop is big time friends with Inspector Burke and Det.Sgt Tricamo. They are all working hard on Spota’s 2001 election campaign. He is crying to them almost everyday and telling them how bad his now former friend is and how he betrayed him in front of his face by calling my daughter right in front of him without the cop knowing of it.

The cop gets entrapped by the stock swindler who has already called IAB on 12/25 & 12/26, 200l, where the swindler tells IAB that his home was burglarized the night before 12 14 01. He tells IA he lost about 250K in cash and valuables, including a 90K Rolex Diamond ring. He tells IA that the burglars had to know the layout of the house and know of the hidden survllance equipment with tape recorders because the cop was the only one who knew of thr existence. The safe was smashed open. There was no more than a baseball card collection, a possible shotgun that will find its way into a murder attempt of Burke’s nghbor, Joe Careccia on 4/28/02.

There was no large cache of money and property and there was no safe broken into. The swindler was divorced from his first wife. Before she left she changed the combo on the safe. He broke it open himself to get whatever valuables in the safe. There is evidence he pawned the Rolex with an out of town pawn broker before the 12/24/01 ‘burglary’ we have three statements from the alleged burglars that there was no such bounty in the safe. These were people who weren’t shy to confess to multiple burglaries and brag of the big scores they made. Why would they lie about this?

The swindler wanted to do a deal with IA so they could ask the US attorney for a relief of the impending jail sentence. It worked. Lt.Boyle and Cronin had the case. I believe they had other targets in mind as the investigation had already begun in the summer of 2001 from an anonymous call to IA from the swindler’s father. IA saw who the cop’s running buddies were, and I believe Burke and Tricamo, and some of the soon to be DA squad were in thr gun sights. Burke had already acquired a reputation long before he became a cop. He gave information to Spota in the 1979 murder case of John Pius Jr., or when he was only 14 years old. IMHO, judging from the testimony, Burke lied and framed an innocent kid for a murder he didn’t commit. His testimony was certainly contradicted by the testimony of the victim’s father as to who put the kid’s bike against a tree. Everybody in the PD knew of this, and they also knew of the many scrapes he got into before and while he was an NYPD cop, and now in the SCPD.

IMHO, IA kept this case from the incoming Spota until at l May 7, 2002, when Lt.Boyle, not Tom Spota the DA, wrote a letter to the US attorney outlining his cooperation in an ongoing case of corruption. Walker got his deal. IA then went to Spota for the wiretaps a few weeks later and it was THEN that Spota became aware of the investigation. By that time the cop was hopelessly involved with the swindler in procuring cocaine for two NYPD under cover cops borrowed by SCPD for that purpose. The cop thought he was going to give it to two Hollywood producers whose money was needed to keep his investment solvent. The cop chased his money in a last ditch effort knowing he was probably going to lose his and his parent’s money. He was blinded by desperation. He surely wasn’t a drug dealer because that does take some balls. The cop, a decent enough kid hardly had the courage to be a cop, much less a drug dealer. It was ridiculous, but it sunk him beyond repair. Spota now had the FEDS to deal with. The FEDS just gave the swindler a free get out of jail pass, and Spota could not decline a prosecution as it would have raised a lot of questions from the FEDS. But Spota could still save his friends, and that is what he did – he prosecuted the cop, and then said to the papers he prosecutes without fear of favor – he had taken an oath.

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[Unregistered6758777778]

Spota wanted ALL the cases off the table with plea bargains. The only two of about twelve who recved a no jail promise was the gym owner and the NYS Trooper. They declined. The trooper went to two trials for three misdemeanors. He was acquitted on the two of them at the first trial and they jury hung on the third. He was tried again on the remaining charge. He was prosecuted for what was originally 3 misdemeanors for the first trial and now one misdemeanor the second trial by two of Spota’s Bureau Chiefs: Helig and Schippi. A third trial was ordered but wiser heads prevailed. The remaining charge was dropped.

The gym owner was originally arrested for 1 felony and 3 misdemeanors. The felony and 1 misdemeanor were dropped before trial. Most likely because it would be easier to offer the gym owner a violation, no jail, and get to keep his carry permit. He refused. Wrote a letter to the SIC and a shit storm soon occurred. They now wanted to make him the mastermind of a burglary ring and pulled out all stops to do so. When they failed they came to my son in law on 8/10/04 by Sgt.Doyle and Det.Lewis, who told the SIL that Spota doesn’t want you, he wants the gym owner. It didn’t matter if he had something to tell them or not. They wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. If he didn’t cooperate (as Burke did in 1979) it would be the SIL who would be taking the place of the gym owner. And that is the way it turned out on 11/16/04, when the SIL was arrested for three bogus burglaries that were open for them to fit him in on. ALL BOGUS. There is more than enough proof for any cop to know it was a frame job. And that is the reason Hickey chased three cops into the hallway to ream thr asses out for bng there – they heard him lie. That was followed the next day by an order from the commissioner, with the consent of the PBA, to have the three cops write him a one page letter of explanation as to why they visited the trial – an act that every citizen is entitled to by the US Constitution – to see if the administration of justice is carried out fairly. What was the big deal? They had something to hide and they didn’t want these three cops to go back to the precinct and spread the word that the guy they worked with was getting framed.

When the cop got arrested for the steroid case who do you think was the chief suspect among the troops who ratted the cop out? All you need is one case, ergo, a further dismantling of his reputation and dislike of his fellow officers. .


Do you still think a supposed bad reputation for bng less than a stellar cop deserves a jail sentence? Besides, it was Hickey, as I said before who said if he was in trouble the first guy he would want to have his back was the SIL.

[Unregistered5555554454]

spota wanted no part of any trial, especially the cop. If it went to trial there was a risk that all the past associations of the cop, where they went, who they knew, what they did, and what they were into had a chance of getting out if they didn't have a judge who couldn't stop it . If the kid went to trial he would have been forced to take every means necessary to win the support and sympathy of the jury. It was just too much of a risk to take.

Those bastards forget the cop was one of them. He went to jail with the expectation he was to get out sooner than he eventually did.

Two of those bastards from the DA office under the command of the cop's long time buddy went to the jail in Buffalo, unannoucned with the belief the cop would give up the SIL - why not. He gave up everybody else, why not his enemy? But the kid became a man in jail and he told them to f--k off. His parents were on the phone when the detectives came and called the lawyer who also told them to f--k off. Besides, the kid had nothing to say about the SIL when he was arrested and most vulnerable, and he had nothing to say in jail.

When they got back to the rat hole they work in they had subpoenas issued to the mother and father about a car they bought from someone on thr radar screen. The car was clean, but that didn't stop those co******rs from putting the family in more direr strats then they already were in.

They lost thr investment, and the rat went free. The RAT even had the balls ot post a message on another Blog Board about me earlier today on how I RUINED HIS LIFE - He enjoys a comfortable life in Florida in at l one house worth 661,000.00, and it appears he has another one worth 468,000.00, and this is after he went bankrupt and stole about 2M from guys just like you and me - cops.

They went thru a fortune in legal bills. Thr other son lost his job with the NYS Troopers and was made to endure two trials for misdemeanors, and a third one that never happened.

They lost thr son to prison for two years, and when he was expecting to get out the DA opposed his parole. Scumbags you should spit on if they walk by you.

When is enough enough. tip of the hat who stood tall when he had every reason not to.

[Unrs egistered]

Where have you proven me wrong. I stated you won't find one cop in the NYPD or in the entire nation who was convicted of perjury, and still be employed as a cop other than in Nassau. You brought up the other crimes that cops do, and not one of them was for perjury. And yes, perjury, is worse than assult , etc.
And if you didn't have just a GE Diploma you would see that your the one who is defending(arguing) for this miscreant cop. Why else would you use the NYPD as an example if you werent offended that a "Nassau cop" could do such a dastardly act. If it didn't bother you, you wouldn't have said anything. But obviously it did.

i dont think anyone is defending the cop, just showing you the high drama you are trying to invoke isnt needed. cops get arrested and dont lose thr jobs. it happens. you want to call perjury a anathema, to cops and the criminal justice system...well what crime isnt?
crimes have a value ther misdemeanor or felony and then split up from a-e e bng the l severe, perjury 3 is a class a misdemeanor, the same exact level of crime stealing a pack of gum is.

[likewise]

Thats kind of like saying not one cops been written a summons for speeding but this nassau cop, and comparing that to 10 cops who have had dwis.
Lying is worse then bng in the company of drug dealers,loiterin with another person for the purpose of using selling or purchasing drugs, observing a drug dealer in posession of drugs, engaging in the sale(drug dealer) and the purchase (the cop) of drugs and then posessing the drugs yourself? You have just broken 4-5 laws, at l 2 of them are felonies, and about 2 dozen dept policies in regards to not taking police action on a crime you've observed, engaging in criminal activity, and knowingly associating with criminals.
That sounds exactly what the SCPD cop did when he committed those burglaries while on duty or sexually molested female mototists or used and bought steroids from drug dealers.
At l city cops don't commit burglaries or sexually attack female motorists while they are on duty.

[volpe]

That sounds exactly what the SCPD cop did when he committed those burglaries while on duty or sexually molested female mototists or used and bought steroids from drug dealers.
At l city cops don't commit burglaries or sexually attack female motorists while they are on duty.
Really You dont remember the nypd detective arrested last month for pimping a 14 y/o?
How about Abner Louima? Or he doesnt count because he isnt a female motorist?
And during the investigation into the steroid sales that the prior poster is talking about you do see a nypd cop named?
If you think no nypd cop has ever committed a burg, rape, assault, larceny etc on duty, you should really read the serpico story, or the story behind American Gangster.

Save it you idiot you are in over your head.

[Unregistered5667669766]

IN the steroid case I think you are speaking of there was a NYPD Sergeant named. His crime was to be in a club and some undercover cop came in and asked him where he could cop some coke. The sergeant merely said, "I don't know, why don't you go see that guy over there." He was locked up for Criminal Facilitation - a felony. Had high bail placed on him that caused him to remain in Riverhead for 6 months. Offered a deal to plead out - time served and he went home - without a job.

If you think that rated a felony charge and high bail then there is no use talking to you. He may have simply sending the guy on his way with a 'how do I know' and pointed him out to a drug pusher to get rid of him. He certainly wasn't a facilitator. But that is what Herr Spota does when he wants to get you. The WORST that should have happened to him was to explain himself to NYPD IAB why he would be so stupid and had 30 days docked from his pay. Firing was even too much.

That cop was shot in the leg while on duty when he ran out of ammo. The last person I know of in SCPD who got killed in the "LOD" was the detective who had his car blown up. Those of you who remember that case remember the circumstances - and it sure wasn't a matter of heroics or a drug dealer getting revenge. It was VERY PERSONAL.

[re lod]

LOD death...there have been several other then the one you've mentioned. Last beng po Hernandez who died after a crash 2 years ago(?).
What is the obsession with lod? Scpd has had shots fired nearly every 3 months for the past 5 years, so we won them all and the good guys went home.
Thats a bad thing? Winning a gun fight? Are we supposed to be frowned upon because we didnt lose? Look 3 years ago 2 nypd detectives got thr guns taken from them and they were shot and killed, horrible!!! The same year a 3 year scpd membe rhad the same fate, but lived because he was wearing his vest.
Lets not monday morning commissioner these incidents. And lets not put one dept down because they have been lucky in thr gun fights. Unless it wasnt luck......

[likewise]

Really You dont remember the nypd detective arrested last month for pimping a 14 y/o?
How about Abner Louima? Or he doesnt count because he isnt a female motorist?
And during the investigation into the steroid sales that the prior poster is talking about you do see a nypd cop named?
If you think no nypd cop has ever committed a burg, rape, assault, larceny etc on duty, you should really read the serpico story, or the story behind American Gangster.

Save it you idiot you are in over your head.

Sure there are NYPD cops who commit crimes but not one of them for Perjury who still kept his job. There are 40,000 of them. Only about 2800 in SCPD. The math will tell you there will be more corrupt cops, but the SCPD is not doing to bad itself with only 2800 cops and all the scandals that you have. Take those ratios and there is no difference between pd's only that you make 120,000 a year to commit crimes. Remember your Detective Bureau has a long rich history of incompetence/corruption that is still evident today. The NYPD has 529 cops killed in the line of duty and not just in car accidents because they fell a sleep at the wheel. And lets not forget 9/11, when you guys were 60 miles away lounging in the firehouses. and the argument your PBA's give about high pay attracting quality candidates is just a bunch of bs. So the bottom line is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[hardly a issue]

Sure there are NYPD cops who commit crimes but not one of them for Perjury who still kept his job. There are 40,000 of them. Only about 2800 in SCPD. The math will tell you there will be more corrupt cops, but the SCPD is not doing to bad itself with only 2800 cops and all the scandals that you have. Take those ratios and there is no difference between pd's only that you make 120,000 a year to commit crimes. Remember your Detective Bureau has a long rich history of incompetence/corruption that is still evident today. The NYPD has 529 cops killed in the line of duty and not just in car accidents because they fell a sleep at the wheel. And lets not forget 9/11, when you guys were 60 miles away lounging in the firehouses. and the argument your PBA's give about high pay attracting quality candidates is just a bunch of bs. So the bottom line is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
2800 current cops and how many of them have been arrested?Zero... How many for perjury? Zero.
If you go back in time and bring up cops who committed crimes years ago, you can also look back at the corruption and incompetence in the nypd in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90, and today. Including nypd detectives. How many movies/ books were made based on real life corruption in the nypd?
Your point about perjury is noted, a class a misdemeanor, which is exactly the same level of crime as stealing a piece of 2 cent gum. Again that pales in comparison to the felonies I've posted here committed by other cops.

Much drama about nothing, nothing that has anything to do with the posters you are debating this with.

[nypdhistoryrefresher]

In 1970, police officer Frank Serpico and other officers, testified before the Knapp Commission about the corruption he witnessed in the department. The Commission's findings led to sweeping changes within the department.[citation needed]
In August 1988, a riot erupted in Alphabet City's Tompkins Square Park in the Village of Manhattan when police attempted to enforce a newly-passed curfew for the park. Bystanders, artists, residents, homeless people and political activists were caught up in the police action that took place on the night of August 6th and the early morning of August 7th..[20] In a report released by Commissioner Benjamin Ward, the police department admitted they were responsible for the riot.
On December 22, 1994, 29-year old Anthony Baez was choked to death by Police Officer Francis X. Livoti in the University Hghts section of the Bronx. In 1998 Livoti was convicted of violating Baez' civil rights, and two other officers were convicted of lying on the witness stand in the trial of Livoti.[21]
On August 9, 1997, Police Officer Justin Volpe in Brooklyn sodomized Abner Louima with a broken broom handle in the 70th Precinct bathroom. Officer Volpe eventually pled guilty and recved a sentence of 30 years in federal prison. Other officers were also implicated and convicted on charges stemming from the initial cover-up.[citation needed]
On March 16, 2000, undercover narcotics detectives shot Patrick Dorismond to death during a scuffle on ghth Avenue in Manhattan. The detectives had approached Dorismond, an unarmed security guard, and asked to purchase drugs. He attacked the undercover officer, angry that he was seen as drug dealer and he was killed with one shot by the officer in self-defense.[citation needed]
On May 22, 2003, 43-year old Ousmane Zong an immigrant from Burkina Faso was shot four times by Police Officer Bryan Conroy in a Chelsea warehouse. In 2005 Conroy was found guilty of criminally negligent homicide and sentenced to 5 years probation. In 2006 the city awarded the family of Zongo $3 million in a wrongful death suit.[22]
On January 24, 2004, Housing Bureau officer Richard Neri, Jr. accidentally shot to death Timothy Stansbury, a 19-year-old black man who was trespassing on the roof landing of a Bedford-Stuyvesant housing project. Mr. Stansbury was unarmed but he apparently startled Officer Neri when he opened the roof door and came upon Neri. Neri discharged his service firearm mortally wounding Mr. Stansbury. Although Commissioner Kelly, in a rush to judgment in order to appease the black community, stated that the shooting appeared "unjustified", a Brooklyn jury found that no criminal act occurred and that the event was, in fact, a tragic accident. Officer Neri was cleared of all charges.[23] The city agreed to pay $2 million (€1.48 million) to settle a lawsuit filed by the family. Though Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said the shooting appeared to be unjustified, a grand jury declined to indict Neri. Kelly later suspended Neri for 30 days without pay and permanently stripped him of his weapon. The victim’s mother said the 30-day suspension was too light a punishment.[24]
On November 25, 2006, plainclothes police officers shot and killed Sean Bell and wounded two of his companions, one critically, outside of the Kalua Cabaret in Queens. None of the civilians were armed.[25] Mr. Bell was attending his bachelor party the night before his wedding. According to the police, Mr. Bell allegedly rammed his vehicle into an undercover officer and hit an unmarked NYPD minivan, prompting undercover NYPD officers to fire fifty rounds into Bell's car. A bullet piercing the nearby AirTrain JFK facility startled two Port Authority patrolmen there. [26] An undercover officer claims he heard one of the unarmed man's companions threaten to get his gun to settle a fight with another person.[27]

[nypdhistoryrefresher]

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NY police corruption soars
MURRAY WSS
The New York Post
October 22, 2007

THE number of NYPD cops using drugs, stealing property - even from the dead - and committing other acts of corruption, including extorting sex from female suspects, spiked sharply last year, according to a confidential NYPD report.

The astonishing wrongdoing in cluded everything from cops solicit ing sex in exchange for overlooking crimes to stealing credit cards from the homes of dead people to hiring a hit man to commit murder.

The tawdry tales include stories of cops not only betraying thr badges, but also thr brother and sister officers in blue.

In one case, two cops allegedly disclosed the identity of an undercover officer who came into a restaurant while they were bartering for sex with a woman they had once arrested.

In another case, two Manhattan cops were caught looting money from a precinct house’s kitty that included cash collected from T-shirt sales for the cancer-stricken daughter of yet another cop.

“It was ugly,” a source said.

In yet another incident, a cop teamed up with a “police impersonation” robbery ring after she could not find another corrupt cop to work with the gang.

And then there was an officer who hung out with drug dealers who also made “friendly” bets on sports events - with the payoff in marijuana.

The revelations contained in the NYPD’s Internal Affairs Bureau 2006 Annual Report - obtained by The Post - include:

* Arrests of New York’s Finest rose 25 percent in 2006 over the previous year, from 91 to 114.

* The number of cops caught using drugs last year jumped 138 percent, from ght incidents the previous year to 19, including one cop using PCP (phencyclidine), and another shooting steroids into his butt.

* Fraud allegations involving insurance, credit card and welfare swindles rose 85 percent to 50 complaints from 27 the previous year.

* The number of cops stripped of thr guns and badges and placed on modified duty jumped 55 percent, from 137 to 212, but suspensions fell 11 percent from 159 to 142.

The Post pieced together the accounts using sources, court records and district attorneys’ offices, along with the tightly guarded annual IAB study.

For its part, the NYPD insisted The Post submit in writing its requests for specific case information and names of fired or disciplined cops, which the newspaper did on Aug. 14.

Since then, follow-up reminders, in person and via e-mail, have fallen on deaf ears.

The IAB states that cops accused of stealing property made up 34 percent of the 1,057 corruption cases launched last year - with 357 thefts reported, an 8.5 percent jump over the previous year’s 329 cases.

Among them were two cops at a Manhattan precinct who handled thousands of dollars collected from T-shirt sales and vending-machine proceeds for thr stationhouse “club.”

Investigators determined the duo skimmed about $4,000 from the club’s bank account, purchasing tires for thr cars, paying Internet hookup fees and cellphone bills.

Adding insult to injury, the sources said, some of the stolen cash was raised to defray medical costs incurred by the cancer-stricken daughter of an NYPD sergeant.

The duo was convicted of grand larceny at a departmental trial and fired. The DA declined to prosecute, primarily because bank records had been destroyed, sources said.

There’s also Mammianne Zadja, who reportedly tried to steal from her own family, changing the deed to her father’s home and removing her brother’s name from it.

The 32-year-old initially obtained power of attorney for her healthy father by filing phony medical papers showing he had Alzhmer’s, court papers alleged.

She then axed her brother from the deed and applied for a second mortgage on the house.

The cop was caught after a bank loan officer became suspicious when he held a conference call with Zadja and her “father,” who turned out to be someone posing as her dad.

She was fired, but at the family’s request, the Staten Island DA did not press charges.

Perhaps the most ghoulish thievery involved Officer Eduardo Saillant, 38, of the 60th Precinct, who swiped credit cards from the homes of four dead people last year.

Saillant was accused of responding to 911 calls involving people who died of natural causes and taking thr cards and using them at Home Depot hardware stores in New York and New Jersey and to buy gasoline for his car.

Saillant, a divorced father of two, resigned from the NYPD. His criminal case is pending, according to Brooklyn DA Joe Hynes.

The most notorious crime involved the widely reported conviction of police recruit Kabeer Din, 22 who tried to hire a hit man for $3,000 to assassinate his Suffolk, L.I., girlfriend.

But the worst betrayal might involve cops allegedly in the process of extorting sex from a woman.

Two officers came under investigation after a woman arrested in a drug roundup claimed they offered her drugs for sex.

IAB zeroed in on the cops, listening in on a call in which one cop was heard offering marijuana for sexual favors. The cop, his partner and the woman then met in a popular Manhattan eatery, El Malacon on Broadway and 175th Street, where the officers bragged about thr coziness with drugs.

The rendezvous became even more untoward when an undercover cop walked in and one cop quickly gave up his identity, “warning her to be careful since he works in the area,” according to the report.

The officer who ratted out the undercover resigned the force. The other cop was suspended, but remains a cop.

The Bronx, a veteran NYPD detective was found guilty of getting a woman who was implicated in an identity-theft case to perform oral sex on him.

Detective Dominic Calvanico initially insisted the woman sign a confession and cooperate, according to the report.

He then told her that if she would “take care of him” - engage in sexual activity - he would “talk to the DA and make the case go away,” according to the report.

“Fearful of bng arrested and having just started a new job [at a hospital], the victim met the detective in her car, where she performed oral sex on him,” the report says.

She spit his sperm into a tissue, which was thrown into the center console. Afterward, she alerted Internal Affairs and the Bronx DA.

IAB later retrieved the detective’s investigative case folder, where they found the woman’s written confession, but no mention of it in the file.

The detective, who claimed the sex was consensual, was found guilty at his NYPD trial of bribe recving, coercion, associating with a criminal and filing false statements.

In an extraordinary plea deal worked out among the NYPD, the DA’s office and his union, Calvanico - a cop for 19 years and 11 months - agreed to resign and surrender a portion of his pension to avoid criminal charges.

[the hits keep coming]

NYPD corruption report exposes officers’ deep criminal instincts
November 14th, 2007 - 2:40 am ICT by admin - Email This Post
According to the New York Post, the tawdry tales include stories of cops not only betraying thr badges, but also thr brother and sister officers in blue.

In one case, two cops allegedly disclosed the identity of an undercover officer who came into a restaurant while they were bartering for sex with a woman they had once arrested. In another case, two Manhattan cops were caught looting money from a precinct house’s kitty that included cash collected from T-shirt sales for the cancer-stricken daughter of yet another cop.

The revelations contained in the NYPD’s Internal Affairs Bureau 2006 Annual Report - obtained by The Post - include:

* Arrests of New York’s Finest rose 25 percent in 2006 over the previous year, from 91 to 114.

* The number of cops caught using drugs last year jumped 138 percent, from ght incidents the previous year to 19, including one cop using PCP (phencyclidine), and another shooting steroids into his butt.

* Fraud allegations involving insurance, credit card and welfare swindles rose 85 percent to 50 complaints from 27 the previous year.

* The number of cops stripped of thr guns and badges and placed on modified duty jumped 55 percent, from 137 to 212, but suspensions fell 11 percent from 159 to 142.

The Post pieced together the accounts using sources, court records and district attorneys’ offices, along with the tightly guarded annual IAB study.

For its part, the NYPD insisted The Post submit in writing its requests for specific case information and names of fired or disciplined cops, which the newspaper did on August 14.

Since then, follow-up reminders, in person and via e-mail, have fallen on deaf ears.

Perhaps the most ghoulish thievery involved Officer Eduardo Saillant, 38, of the 60th Precinct, who swiped credit cards from the homes of four dead people last year. Saillant was accused of responding to 911 calls involving people who died of natural causes and taking thr cards and using them at Home Depot hardware stores in New York and New Jersey and to buy gasoline for his car.

Saillant, a divorced father of two, resigned from the NYPD. His criminal case is pending, according to Brooklyn DA Joe Hynes.

The most notorious crime involved the widely reported conviction of police recruit Kabeer Din, 22 who tried to hire a hit man for 3,000 dollars to assassinate his Suffolk, Long Island girlfriend. (ANI

[pointless2]

i dont think anyone is defending the cop, just showing you the high drama you are trying to invoke isnt needed. cops get arrested and dont lose thr jobs. it happens. you want to call perjury a anathema, to cops and the criminal justice system...well what crime isnt?
crimes have a value ther misdemeanor or felony and then split up from a-e e bng the l severe, perjury 3 is a class a misdemeanor, the same exact level of crime stealing a pack of gum is.

Any cop who tries to compare perjury by a cop with stealing a pack of gum, has got to be the most ignorant cop on the SCPD or ther his brain has been totally fried by drugs. Woe to the citizens of Suffolk that we have this mental midget protecting us.

[very pointless.]

Any cop who tries to compare perjury by a cop with stealing a pack of gum, has got to be the most ignorant cop on the SCPD or ther his brain has been totally fried by drugs. Woe to the citizens of Suffolk that we have this mental midget protecting us.
Notice the post. IN THE EYES OF THE LAW, stealing property valued under 1000 is the same as perjury 3rd. Those are the statutes nys has placed on those respective crimes.
There is no personal opinion there. Just the justic system's opinion.

[very pointless.]

Perhaps the most ghoulish thievery involved Officer Eduardo Saillant, 38, of the 60th Precinct, who swiped credit cards from the homes of four dead people last year. Saillant was accused of responding to 911 calls involving people who died of natural causes and taking thr cards and using them at Home Depot hardware stores in New York and New Jersey and to buy gasoline for his car.

Saillant, a divorced father of two, resigned from the NYPD. His criminal case is pending, according to Brooklyn DA Joe Hynes
There you go, a on duty po who stole and used credit cards...gl 3rd

[very pointless]

In one case, two cops allegedly disclosed the identity of an undercover officer who came into a restaurant while they were bartering for sex with a woman they had once arrested. In another case, two Manhattan cops were caught looting money from a precinct house’s kitty that included cash collected from T-shirt sales for the cancer-stricken daughter of yet another cop.
on duty and complete trash

[very pointless]

The Bronx, a veteran NYPD detective was found guilty of getting a woman who was implicated in an identity-theft case to perform oral sex on him.

Detective Dominic Calvanico initially insisted the woman sign a confession and cooperate, according to the report.

He then told her that if she would “take care of him” - engage in sexual activity - he would “talk to the DA and make the case go away,” according to the report.

“Fearful of bng arrested and having just started a new job [at a hospital], the victim met the detective in her car, where she performed oral sex on him,” the report says.

She spit his sperm into a tissue, which was thrown into the center console. Afterward, she alerted Internal Affairs and the Bronx DA.

IAB later retrieved the detective’s investigative case folder, where they found the woman’s written confession, but no mention of it in the file.

The detective, who claimed the sex was consensual, was found guilty at his NYPD trial of bribe recving, coercion, associating with a criminal and filing false statements.

In an extraordinary plea deal worked out among the NYPD, the DA’s office and his union, Calvanico - a cop for 19 years and 11 months - agreed to resign and surrender a portion of his pension to avoid criminal charges.

Here you go, bribe recving, a FELONY, COERCION, A FELONY, FILING A FALSE STATEMENT, CLASS A MISD, EXACTLY THE SAME CHARGE AS PERJURY, He wasnt allowed to keep his job, but was not charged and didnt lose his pension.

[very pointless]

Silence as the troll, completely overwhelmed, googles the snot out of scpd corruption to find something other the ray "the count" montefusco, valentine, the property clerk lynch, and wright to one up very pointless

[Unregistered2334399374]

With all those acts of corruption that were reported of the NYPD, what you fail to recognize is that ALL those cops in a very troubled police department have been arrested and prosecuted. No cover-ups that we can see on a regular basis.

No arrests in Suffolk County for perjury. Now that is a laugher if I ever heard one. There are NO arrests because the DA encourages perjury. Yes, thr record of not bng arrested for perjury is equal only to the 94% confession rate the homicide squad had in one year. They are so proud of it they wear tee-shirts to picnics.

Perjury is a badge of honor to wear in Suffolk County, not an indictment for perjury.

I will tell you one thing buddy, no matter how bad the NYPD is, there sure ain't no chiefs on the payroll who got taken down twice for cocaine. There are even some of you who laugh about it and called him Captain Cocaine, and now Chief Cocaine. Likes to take rides through Gordon Hghts and say he is on crime patrol.

I'll tell you another thing my good fellows. The NYPD doesn't have any disability retirees in the system that admitted to bng drug addicts who recved a 3/4's disability pension for drug use they said they contracted in the LOD. Oh, yeah, that one is a peach. Become a drug addict and get a golden parachute. You got to be joking. I guess the price for keeping your mouth shut on the other corrupt has no limits when the administration doesn't want to admit they have drug addicts on the payroll. Ask any NYC cop what happens to them if they fail a dole - OUT!!! Your people get rewarded for it, not punished.

Extorting sex? Ask around about that now Inspector of police who kicked in a prostitutes door to recover his weapon after taking of her favors and left drunk leaving his weapon behind. He got charges for it, didn't he, and his career has prospered over the many honest cops who shake thr heads in disgust.

The fact that there are no cops arrested in Suffolk for shaking down whores, bribe recving, drug addiction, and perjury doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Fortunately, many of you realize your generous salary is not worth doing anything that can get you fired, or arrsted. Spota reserves his corruption and abuse scandals for non SCPD departments like Ocean Beach and Southampton. Give me a break.

I know a NYPD cop who was suspected of recving inside information on a stock and got investigated. In Suffolk County you can become a Board of Director of a company formed by a convicted stock swindler and your only 'punishment' is to get assigned to the equally corrupt District Attorney's office as a supervisor of detectives.

While other cops lost thr investment, one of the good ole boys gets at l some of his money back when the swindler does another swindle to raise the money to pay you back.

[anothrcopperv]

With all those acts of corruption that were reported of the NYPD, what you fail to recognize is that ALL those cops in a very troubled police department have been arrested and prosecuted. No cover-ups that we can see on a regular basis.

No arrests in Suffolk County for perjury. Now that is a laugher if I ever heard one. There are NO arrests because the DA encourages perjury. Yes, thr record of not bng arrested for perjury is equal only to the 94% confession rate the homicide squad had in one year. They are so proud of it they wear tee-shirts to picnics.

Perjury is a badge of honor to wear in Suffolk County, not an indictment for perjury.

I will tell you one thing buddy, no matter how bad the NYPD is, there sure ain't no chiefs on the payroll who got taken down twice for cocaine. There are even some of you who laugh about it and called him Captain Cocaine, and now Chief Cocaine. Likes to take rides through Gordon Hghts and say he is on crime patrol.

I'll tell you another thing my good fellows. The NYPD doesn't have any disability retirees in the system that admitted to bng drug addicts who recved a 3/4's disability pension for drug use they said they contracted in the LOD. Oh, yeah, that one is a peach. Become a drug addict and get a golden parachute. You got to be joking. I guess the price for keeping your mouth shut on the other corrupt has no limits when the administration doesn't want to admit they have drug addicts on the payroll. Ask any NYC cop what happens to them if they fail a dole - OUT!!! Your people get rewarded for it, not punished.

Extorting sex? Ask around about that now Inspector of police who kicked in a prostitutes door to recover his weapon after taking of her favors and left drunk leaving his weapon behind. He got charges for it, didn't he, and his career has prospered over the many honest cops who shake thr heads in disgust.

The fact that there are no cops arrested in Suffolk for shaking down whores, bribe recving, drug addiction, and perjury doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Fortunately, many of you realize your generous salary is not worth doing anything that can get you fired, or arrsted. Spota reserves his corruption and abuse scandals for non SCPD departments like Ocean Beach and Southampton. Give me a break.

I know a NYPD cop who was suspected of recving inside information on a stock and got investigated. In Suffolk County you can become a Board of Director of a company formed by a convicted stock swindler and your only 'punishment' is to get assigned to the equally corrupt District Attorney's office as a supervisor of detectives.

While other cops lost thr investment, one of the good ole boys gets at l some of his money back when the swindler does another swindle to raise the money to pay you back.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-lisex0307,0,5537262.story

Does it ever stop?

[Unregistereddd]

Its nothing new just another charge on the same southampton cop....

[Unregistered3445400485]

With all those acts of corruption that were reported of the NYPD, what you fail to recognize is that ALL those cops in a very troubled police department have been arrested and prosecuted. No cover-ups that we can see on a regular basis.

No arrests in Suffolk County for perjury. Now that is a laugher if I ever heard one. There are NO arrests because the DA encourages perjury. Yes, thr record of not bng arrested for perjury is equal only to the 94% confession rate the homicide squad had in one year. They are so proud of it they wear tee-shirts to picnics.

Perjury is a badge of honor to wear in Suffolk County, not an indictment for perjury.

I will tell you one thing buddy, no matter how bad the NYPD is, there sure ain't no chiefs on the payroll who got taken down twice for cocaine. There are even some of you who laugh about it and called him Captain Cocaine, and now Chief Cocaine. Likes to take rides through Gordon Hghts and say he is on crime patrol.

I'll tell you another thing my good fellows. The NYPD doesn't have any disability retirees in the system that admitted to bng drug addicts who recved a 3/4's disability pension for drug use they said they contracted in the LOD. Oh, yeah, that one is a peach. Become a drug addict and get a golden parachute. You got to be joking. I guess the price for keeping your mouth shut on the other corrupt has no limits when the administration doesn't want to admit they have drug addicts on the payroll. Ask any NYC cop what happens to them if they fail a dole - OUT!!! Your people get rewarded for it, not punished.

Extorting sex? Ask around about that now Inspector of police who kicked in a prostitutes door to recover his weapon after taking of her favors and left drunk leaving his weapon behind. He got charges for it, didn't he, and his career has prospered over the many honest cops who shake thr heads in disgust.

The fact that there are no cops arrested in Suffolk for shaking down whores, bribe recving, drug addiction, and perjury doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Fortunately, many of you realize your generous salary is not worth doing anything that can get you fired, or arrsted. Spota reserves his corruption and abuse scandals for non SCPD departments like Ocean Beach and Southampton. Give me a break.

I know a NYPD cop who was suspected of recving inside information on a stock and got investigated. In Suffolk County you can become a Board of Director of a company formed by a convicted stock swindler and your only 'punishment' is to get assigned to the equally corrupt District Attorney's office as a supervisor of detectives.

While other cops lost thr investment, one of the good ole boys gets at l some of his money back when the swindler does another swindle to raise the money to pay you back.
eh...old stories, most have been around forever, somewhere between the 80 and 90s, based on half truths and a lot of retelling.
but if you think with all the corruption in the city not one bad seed has not gotten out of patrol, ......lol. lemme sell you some swampland rube
as far as perjury...are you kidding? the average rate of trial to arrest, 1 in 300...

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Sure there are NYPD cops who commit crimes but not one of them for Perjury who still kept his job. There are 40,000 of them. Only about 2800 in SCPD. The math will tell you there will be more corrupt cops, but the SCPD is not doing to bad itself with only 2800 cops and all the scandals that you have. Take those ratios and there is no difference between pd's only that you make 120,000 a year to commit crimes. Remember your Detective Bureau has a long rich history of incompetence/corruption that is still evident today. The NYPD has 529 cops killed in the line of duty and not just in car accidents because they fell a sleep at the wheel. And lets not forget 9/11, when you guys were 60 miles away lounging in the firehouses. and the argument your PBA's give about high pay attracting quality candidates is just a bunch of bs. So the bottom line is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

40,000??? neg the number is lower, the last number given was aprox 36k.40k was the # from 05.

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2800 current cops and how many of them have been arrested?Zero... How many for perjury? Zero.
If you go back in time and bring up cops who committed crimes years ago, you can also look back at the corruption and incompetence in the nypd in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90, and today. Including nypd detectives. How many movies/ books were made based on real life corruption in the nypd?
Your point about perjury is noted, a class a misdemeanor, which is exactly the same level of crime as stealing a piece of 2 cent gum. Again that pales in comparison to the felonies I've posted here committed by other cops.

Much drama about nothing, nothing that has anything to do with the posters you are debating this with.

more corrupt cops, yeah,... also
more heroes, more cops killed in the line of duty than any other pd in the nation. More cops skilled on 9/11 than in the 50 years of the existence of the SCPD. Oh yeah, a Suffolk cop was blown up in the 70's, thats because he was screwing a Nassau cops wife and your detective bureau was so inept they couldn't prove it. Also more crime, more arrests, more lives saved in one day than the SCPD could do in 10 years. The toughest police job in the entire nation. Where else does 8 million people live on top of each other and speak 140 different languages and be the number 1 target of international terrorists. Do you think Osama bin Laden wants to blow up anything in Suffolk county. More TV shows about them than any other pd in the country. Did you ever hear of SCPD BLUE. They even had a Police Commissioner who became the president of the US. Can you imagine that dork Dormer, he couldn't get elected to dog catcher. His only claim to fame is that he was a security director at a shopping mall.
And what does the SCPD do. 90% of your jobs are ambulance runs and domestic disputes. The rest of time you can be found hanging around the firehouses; just ask any volley.

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eh...old stories, most have been around forever, somewhere between the 80 and 90s, based on half truths and a lot of retelling.
but if you think with all the corruption in the city not one bad seed has not gotten out of patrol, ......lol. lemme sell you some swampland rube
as far as perjury...are you kidding? the average rate of trial to arrest, 1 in 300...

IS if you go to a NYPD Rant Board you will find NYPD cops disgusted with some of the people they are forced to work with. And they don't mind admitting to it. IN SCPD you would like to put your heads in the sand and say it's ancient history. Chief Cocaine is not ancient history, it is current history. The police inspector is NOT ancient history, he is current and wants to be part of the future. It sure isn't ancient history from the fellow who just got out of prison a few short years ago after serving a combined 19 years in prison that the now police inspector gave testimony against. It was testimony contradicted by the victim's father. You know who I speak of so why don't you get those magic little fingers of your and look it up for yourself.

Tankleff got out of prison after 17 years based on the perjury of a SCPD detective who had already been cited for perjury in the 'historical' 1989 SIC Report. History had no bearing on his continuing to investigate homicides and perjure another victim into a jail cell. When that detective was asked didn't he find anything wrong with taking the money from 's sister to open Digger O'Dells with her husband, he said, "the case was over, there is nothing wrong with it." Flash!! James McCready, the case is NOT over as you well know, and there is a reasonable possibility you may be indicted in the murder of the Tankleff's.

History is worthless to those who choose to ignore it as a guide for what may happen today.

Those two detective drug addicts still get thr disability pension to this day for contracting thr drug addiction in the LOD. If they weren't paid for thr silence when they had nothing to lose but to get thr pensions should they rat out thr fellow detectives is not history, it is current and ongoing news. How in hell could any police department justify giving two detectives who claim thr disability is from drug addiction get a disability pension? The system of cover ups didn't have the decency to make up another disability claim of injury to replace the drug addiction. That is the incredible gall of what happens in Suffolk County.

The SIL got a disabilty pension although he was mentioned repeatedly by the same 'witness' as bng part of a burglary ring as early as 11/13/03, or when he was still active on the payroll. He retired 4 months later on 3/15/04 and he wasn't brought in by IAB. He wasn't brought in by IAB because the criminals in Spota's detective squad didn't notify IAB of the information they recved. They simply didn't want IAB knowing what they were thinking about doing : frame this guy and not bringing in IAB to look over thr shoulders to stop this atrocity. It is all on the record. How the hell could a cop accused of a crime of such magnitude be allowed to retire in such a circumstance without bringing charges against him that would at l try to strip him of his pension? Do you think they wanted to do him a favor and let him get his pension? Not bloody likely.

They had NO problem calling Workman's Comp on 8/17/05 to find a way to strip him of his pension. They even called the agent at Workman's Comp whose daughter was to be a witness in this case at trial.

They had no problem yanking the disability portion of his pension the minute he was placed on $1M bail after the conviction and sent to Riverhead. Why didn't they do it on 11/13/03? What they had at trial was no more than what they had on 11/13/03, and a couple of months later: LIES fed to the informants. NOTHING MORE. They didn't even bother to interview the other police officer who was with the SIL when he wrote the ticket when the door was opened and closed at 1 03 29, or when the informant said the cop was parked in front of the King Kullen. TWO YEARS and they didn't call what could have been the BEST witness they could ever have - a SCPD police officer. Some of you folks pass it off as the DA squad is NOT part of the police department. Give me a break. They are the driving force of corruption that permeates an entire police deparment and brings shame to an entire department with thr lies.

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IS if you go to a NYPD Rant Board you will find NYPD cops disgusted with some of the people they are forced to work with. And they don't mind admitting to it. IN SCPD you would like to put your heads in the sand and say it's ancient history. Chief Cocaine is not ancient history, it is current history. .
So he is still cruisng the hghts looking for coke? No. And who amongst the the scpd or nypd actually work with chiefs.
You know what I've learned, believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. So a bunch of old washwomen have a story about this guy, or that guy whos made it big, but the stories about thr buddies are still hush hush.
My dad retired from the nypd in 1970. I've hear stories I could never repeat.
It was the same. The guy walking the foot beat could do no wrong, great guy, that is until he made sgt. Then he was a whoremonging drunk.
Its all the same shit.

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more corrupt cops, yeah,... also
more heroes, more cops killed in the line of duty than any other pd in the nation. More cops skilled on 9/11 than in the 50 years of the existence of the SCPD. Oh yeah, a Suffolk cop was blown up in the 70's, thats because he was screwing a Nassau cops wife and your detective bureau was so inept they couldn't prove it. Also more crime, more arrests, more lives saved in one day than the SCPD could do in 10 years. The toughest police job in the entire nation. Where else does 8 million people live on top of each other and speak 140 different languages and be the number 1 target of international terrorists. Do you think Osama bin Laden wants to blow up anything in Suffolk county. More TV shows about them than any other pd in the country. Did you ever hear of SCPD BLUE. They even had a Police Commissioner who became the president of the US. Can you imagine that dork Dormer, he couldn't get elected to dog catcher. His only claim to fame is that he was a security director at a shopping mall.
And what does the SCPD do. 90% of your jobs are ambulance runs and domestic disputes. The rest of time you can be found hanging around the firehouses; just ask any volley.
i worked in the nypd for 7 years before coming out here. I do not see the glorification of line of duty.I would nt brag about more line of deaths, that might mean something other then what you think( bad training). scpd has shots fired, not nearly as often as the city, not nearly the population, yet because no one is killed they arent heros or real cops? Bng killed is good? More crime yes, more arrest yes, more population yes. But in my experience cops in the city only will arrest if they have to, what does that mean? Calling a supervisor to make the call. Thats a real arrest by a real cop?
In suffolk we arrest because we want to. And while we cannot match the overall production of nypd, we are more productive per cop. We have multiple cops in patrol with 100 arrests plus a year. That is a career in the city. And yes its some 511 and domestics, just like the city is.
Why is the nypd popular in folklore? Because of the mystique it built in the 60s, 70s, 80s,...lord knows with its current free exam it aint popular to WORK for.
. 90% of your jobs are ambulance runs and domestic disputes. The rest of time you can be found hanging around the firehouses; just ask any volley...likewise dummy, its the same job, the majority of my jobs in the city were accidents, domestics or other disputes. Except instead of going there alone like I do now, i'd have 10 nypd cops standing around watching the clock. sometimes a boss would show up to scratch all our books. When I finished the job, they'd dissapear, looking for a new place to hide. I did the same, who could blame us? And before the egos collided fdny firehouses were GREAT places for the nypd cops to chill too.
Despite the romance of the nypd blues and the rest of the fantasy garbage of the nypd, the majority of cops looked to get out of patrol, away from work. Not because they were scared of bng shot or attacked, but because every call was a potential ccrb, and every ccrb was a potential day lost.
The heroes of nypd? They are gone. I sat next to them in my scpd academy class 6 years ago, 3 ESU cops, 2 detectives, one of who handled the infamous Wendy caper, 2 sgts. The class before me had a Homicide dic, and a Auto squad dic.
What you have now in the nypd are guys too old or had too many ccrbs, and guys waiting for the call from a real job.

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NO ONE is trying to say one PD is better than the other as to the people who are of those departments. You all do honorable work and you all get underpaid. Well, let's not get crazy saying underpaid - SCPD gets a decent salary. More power to you guys in SCPD.

But when you try to say suffolk cops don't commit perjury, it gets kind of ridiculous. To say there is no corruption is another belly buster.

Damned shame is you get a decent wage. have the support of the politicians and most of the citizens, and you seem to have more complaints than the less unfortunate.

You are no more than a cop in any other place in the world - you get away with as much as you can. You grumble as much as most cops, but you have less to grumble about. The conditions are far better than NYPD, or where the dangers of the job are far greater than from within then from without. If I knew then what I know now I would have been a Nassau or Suffolk cop in a heartbeat. Then, the pay was less by a few hundred, which was a big deal when you were only making 5K a year.

It just is that it seems you guys in suffolk don't appreciate what you have, and give the appearance that you think you are better than others. But that is my opinion, not fact.

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NO ONE is trying to say one PD is better than the other as to the people who are of those departments. You all do honorable work and you all get underpaid. Well, let's not get crazy saying underpaid - SCPD gets a decent salary. More power to you guys in SCPD.

But when you try to say suffolk cops don't commit perjury, it gets kind of ridiculous. To say there is no corruption is another belly buster.

Damned shame is you get a decent wage. have the support of the politicians and most of the citizens, and you seem to have more complaints than the less unfortunate.

You are no more than a cop in any other place in the world - you get away with as much as you can. You grumble as much as most cops, but you have less to grumble about. The conditions are far better than NYPD, or where the dangers of the job are far greater than from within then from without. If I knew then what I know now I would have been a Nassau or Suffolk cop in a heartbeat. Then, the pay was less by a few hundred, which was a big deal when you were only making 5K a year.

It just is that it seems you guys in suffolk don't appreciate what you have, and give the appearance that you think you are better than others. But that is my opinion, not fact.
I dont recall anywhere in this argument where anyone Said scpd cops have never committed perjury. I think you just took that and ran with it. You have your agenda, to discredit and badmouth scpd as much as possible. Its obvious. any chance you can to post a dozen or so posts that the size of a small novel, which to be honest are repeats of your prior posts and so long that most guys I know dont even bother finishing.
You make a claim we dont appreciate what we have, and think we are better then everyone. Thats is not based on real life, just reading here, trust me.
Look at this site. The attacks flow from everywhere. Read what is bng said about the scpd. Losers sitting at home making up horseshit stories, false personnas, completely changing events that happened, trying to discredit us. People who dont have a clue stating we are overpaid. The agenda is apparent, and pretty old.
This thread was discussing a nassau cop who perjured, for some reason, that poster was told repeatedly that he was discussing the issue with non-nassau cops who dont give a flying fuck, and he just continues, claiming we are trying to justify something that happened in another county.
There is a simple statement that hundreds of cops get locked up in nys every year. Yet among the hundreds only 1-2 is from the Island. Now you jump in with your anti scpd agenda. Telling old and extremely tall tales of cops who are no longer cops but politicians, and claiming that NOT ONE nypd cop whos moved on to that same political areba has ever done anything remotely fugazzi. Horseshit.
Thats the problem here, its not that we thinkwe are better, its the constant assaults from all sides. And I'm not complaining. Just pointing that out. Its actually very amusing to read these posts. And burying the posters.