View Full Version : Time to Think of an Alternative to Jay Jacobs
Nassudem
09-14-2002, 03:51 PM
Next year Nassau County Convention is coming up next year - we need a candidate for County Chairman that is free thinking and can capitalize on last year wins. Jacobs is not that person. He has alienated many people within the County and State structure and his time has come to move on.
longbeach1
09-14-2002, 03:57 PM
Jacobs never should have become Party Chair. Tom, Larry, Lou or anyne else in the Party would have been a better Chair. He reminds me of a Sabbeth only thinner.
TOH Dem
09-14-2002, 07:04 PM
Hello out there....you two are crazy- actually given the time on the two posts...only six minutes apart, my guess is that the two posts were done by the same person, who is just trying to stir up trouble.
Jay has the full backing of the Nassau democratic leaders, including Tom Suozzi, Howard Wtzman, Judy Jacobs, Gene Cammarato, and all of the Town Leaders. Please do not insult him by comparing him to Steve Sabbath. Sabbath showed us that he was nothing more than a common criminal.
As far as North Hempstead dems are concerned, they are all happily and gainfully employed, and not in any mood to stage a coup. North Hempstead government is a model for good and responsive government, all under the complete control of the democrats. Can't ask for more than that.
kevin12
09-15-2002, 03:41 AM
Obviously, the person who started this conversation is a N. Hempstead dinapoli supporter, who couldn't help his candidate win a primary if his life depended on it
longbeach1
09-15-2002, 02:01 PM
Sorry - I thought the message board was a chat room and not a message posting room - but you're wrong - not everyone is happy with Jacobs in North Hempstead.
I haven't been a committeeman for several years but I know committeepeople from both North Hempstaed and Hempstead and some laders working at the Board- and believe me- NOT everyone is happy - there is an undertow out there.
INTHEKNOW
10-18-2002, 05:17 PM
Let me get this straight. There are Dems unhappy with Jay Jacobs. They must have Dinapoli for brains or Schmitt in thr pants. The guy has united the party, kept his friends close and his enemies closer. Been there at the beginning of major campaigns and at the end. Held the Legislature. He got a former President to attend a Nassau Dem Fundraiser, and is responsible for the raising millions of dollars. At all times, Jay Jacobs has shown himself to be diligent, self less, hard working, and a loyal Democrat. Next to Tom S., Jay is the most important cog in Nassau's revitalization. If we lose Jay, we lose the Legislature -its as simple as that. So get in line.
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Why doesn't Jay come up with a plan to try and knock off Joe Kearney, Jim Darcy and Angie Cullin? I will tell you why, he is a joke and the people of the Town of Hemstead are not that stupid.
INTHEKNOW
10-19-2002, 06:46 AM
Gina - Two of those three have two feet in the political graveyard. Legislature is a first priority in 2003, but TOH is in the plans.
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In the Know
10-19-2002, 02:05 PM
If Cullen runs, she loses- Lots of disgruntled constituents. My guess is she bows out, if decent candidate is found. Dems showed a lot of strength in this traditionally GOP bastion - Steve November races for assembly, Denenberg election, Wtzman and Suozzi pulled very well. District is ripe for a Dem. Kestenbaum was badly outspent in district and only lost by 2000 votes. GOP is concerned. Mike Moore/Dave McDonough race for Assembly could give an inkling of things that lie ahead.
Of the other two, one will be targetted with a strong candidate and all out effort. Lynbrook and Valley Stream have changing demographics and viable democratic organizations. It would not surprise me if 2 out of the 3 aren't there in 2004 to lick Guardino's boots (assuming of course that he wins).
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Stop with this changing demographics nonsence, good government is good government. Party affiliation is not the issue here. Clearly you are a Dem, so wou would rather see one of yours in, as opposed to good elected officials. As for Angie Cullin, she is a hard worker, although old, she still pulls in the votes. And Lynbrook and Valley Stream will not allow Jim Darcy to lose. It just won't happen.
In the Know
10-20-2002, 09:40 AM
I am a Dem (proud of it) but because I agree that good government knows no party lines, I split my ticket regularly.
As for Angie bng able to pull in the votes, does that mean she does her job well. She know longer works hard, and has alienated huge groups of voters. She shows up for photo ops, and everyone knows it, and she never questions the party leadership. She's gone. Bank on it.
Darcy race last time out was close - Dems have now organized. This one is tougher than Angie's race, but remember O'Shea at the top of the ticket will drain votes, and the Dems should be putting up some decent Legislative candidates as well as Council candidates.
As for changing demographics, its a reality, not nonsense. Been to Lynbrook or Valley Stream lately. What about Baldwin? Kevan Abrahams won some districts by 80% of the vote that used to be 2-1 Republican.
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South of sunrise
10-20-2002, 10:43 AM
In response to intheknow, Lynbrook's demographics have gone up in the past 10 years. One draws the conclusion from your remarks that we are a community in decline. Far from it,by every measure, Lynbrook is on the way up. What has happened is that the local republican organization is disintegrating due to a lack of leadership.The reps have only themselves to blame. Like you, I split tickets and vote for those candidates that are qualified and competent. Darcy is one of the better gop choices and will win due to the support of his hometown Valley Stream. As for the legislature, Young Mr. Becker will get re-elected despite a growing dissatisfaction with the entire Becker family. After this election however he must "emerge from the herd" of republican hacks and become a force for change. If not, he may not win in 2004.
And who are these well qualified canditated that they will be putting up??
INTHEKNOW
10-20-2002, 03:57 PM
South - My comments that the demographics have changed was not to indicate that Lynbrook is in decline only that it is not the same conservative community that it was 20 years ago. That I think is a good thing. 20 years ago, Carolyn McCarthy would have done very poorly on the North of town (Remember Mike D"Incenzo (sic) ) - obviously no longer the case. Nice village - largely well run - much better off without one family rule. Scarpato seems to have it well in hand. BUT Democratic Club seems to be doing exceptionally well. First meeting had 200 attendees. Recent meeting did well also. I don't think you can take the Darcy's race for granted, but I Hope you do.
Gina - Its too early to discuss specific candidates, although from what I understand a number have been mentioned. I supect that Angie Cullen's opposition (if she runs) will come out of Dave Denenberg's organization and the Darcy's will be someone from the Lynbrook Club.
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West End Guy 17
10-21-2002, 12:27 PM
I would love for somebody to run from Lynbrook against Darcy, we would welcome it. He has done a great job at the Town, just as he did as Mayor of Valley Stream and in the Assembly, and I expect that he will win again. You can't judge the numbers of the last election b/c it was a presidential year and the voters were still angry with the County. I expect better numbers this time around.
NassauDem1
10-26-2002, 06:10 PM
Report Card:
Nassau County, New York
Population: 1,334,544
Revenue: $2,443,158,000
County Executive: Thomas Suozzi, elected
County Legislature: 19 members (Democrats in the majority)
Only in Nassau, it would appear, could one of the nation’s wealthiest jurisdictions build up nearly $3 billion in debt, driving its bond ratings nearly to junk status.
There are hopes that Suozzi’s reputation for hard work and good communication will move the county in the right direction. He has recommended a 15 percent property-tax increase and asked for the resignations of more than 140 county employees.
Recent rating has given Nassau County the following
Financial Management: F
Positives: Legislative budget office competent, but its recommendations rarely heeded; countywide property reassments planned for 2003 — many assessments date back to 1930s.
Negatives: County bond rating just above junk status; inappropriate use of bonding for operating expenses; 2002 budget rejected by finance authority twice before last-minute approval; no multi-year financial projections; no cost accounting; formal bidding threshold too low at $10,000; procurement officials don’t have Internet access.
Capital Management: D-
Positives: Voters approved charter change to require annual development of four-year, prioritized capital plan.
Negatives: Current capital-planning process haphazard and non-binding; projects not prioritized; no comprehensive plan for annual borrowing to support infrastructure; buildings in grave state of disrepair; inventories and condition assessments of infrastructure not compiled; roads maintained through excessive borrowing.
Managing for Results: F
Negatives: No internal examination of quantity or quality of service delivery; no desire to tackle long-range issues; Interim Finance Authority had to force county to consider budgets with forecasts beyond one year.
Information Technology: D+
Positives: Management of most voice and data communication centralized; improved budget for technology training; disaster plan moving forward.
Negatives: Inadequate budget for technology purchases and staff; lack of support in previous administration for needed investment; several departments, including police, run separate tech shops with staff that duplicates central IT office; projects need more analysis, before and after implementation; some procurement standards formalized, but more needed.
Average Grade: D-
nassaudems1
10-29-2002, 09:34 AM
Did you read the 3 page letter Jacobs sent to the Zone Leaders, AD and Town Leaders about the "paper" committee structure and what he intends to propose - he wants to add Legislative Leaders to the mix. If it passes - committee people report to zone leaders who report to new Legislative Leaders who report to AD Leaders who report to Town Leaders who report to the Chair. And this is going to address the "paper" committee structure in the Nassau Dem Party. You got to be kidding! It's an attempt to dilute the committee structure and any power bases that may exist out there. Better to force up the well known weak positions than muck up with the existing structure that seems to be working.
The party would be better served if it concentrated on the 19% increase in Nassau county taxes that hit the paper today and start addressing the downside risk thats going to happen during next year's county LD races once the conservatives (including overall conservatives, 'conservative' democrats and repubicans join forces) and start to zero in on its negative impact on voters especially during this recessionary period - where lay offs are common and 401Ks have lost a significant portion of thr value.
TP
longtimedem
11-03-2002, 08:43 AM
The comment that Jay Jacobs has kept his "enemies" close to the vest, is indicative of the current atmosphere in the Jacobs administration. After the primary, Jacobs did nothing to bring the Party together again, as DiNapoli did after he became Chair, inviting Jacobs, among others, to sit in on meetings. Jacobs apparently sees those who dared to vote for DiNapoli, not just as Democrats exercising thr right to vote freely, but as "enemies" forever. He has cast aside many valuable minds who are much more experienced than he, and who would only serve to strengthen the Party.
He is now planning to appoint AD leaders, apart from the State Committeepeople, who will just be yesmen for his policies. How Democratic! People who originally supported him are rapidly becoming disenchanted. This is doing a great disservice to Tom Suozzi, and bound to
explode.
Response
11-03-2002, 10:52 AM
Sorry to disappoint you, Another Long Time Dem. This is not Pat the Maher. I guess you don't realize how long the disenchanted list has become. And it's growing every day. I have no political job, want no political job, and so can speak the truth. Can you say the same?
oysterbay1
11-04-2002, 03:16 AM
the supposed mastermind gerard terry didnt do such a very good job on dinapoli's campaign obviously, however for some reason he's been rewarded by the party with a job.....his friend dinapoli is still bitter bigtime , like a little crybaby....
oysterbay1
11-05-2002, 02:13 PM
Will have a lot of explaining to do tomorrow because of his poor performance. (the judges)
not 2020 highdsight
11-05-2002, 03:13 PM
First, I am no Gerard Terry fan -- There's enough history and baggage spanning years of party intrigue and infighting to justify at l a modicum of ambivalence.
That bng said, I must also say the following: (1) the night's not yet over, and the Dem judicial candidates might do just fine; (2) undercutting "(1)" might be the Party's DISGRACEFUL underfunding of the judicial races; and (3) Gerard Terry is only one person -- others helped him, and others did NOT help him. He needs better organizational skills, and I saw him running around like a chicken without a head at Party Headquarters.
If the Dem judges don't do well, the post-mortem should not be directed at Gerard, but at ALL of the factors.
BTW, I'm not a judge, I don't ever want to be a judge, I'm not from North Hempstead and I'm an early Suozzi supporter from the TOH.
My only word of advice for future campaigns is that the Dem candidates should be much more
aggressive -- from early-on-- in seeking and winning the Independence line.
reader
11-05-2002, 03:45 PM
why not the other minor party lines such as liberal and green?
imo, i don't think a judge's politics should be an issue for them becoming judges. thr personal viewpoints have no place in a court room.
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not2020hindsight
11-05-2002, 07:32 PM
over the disastrous judgeship results
videos.news12.com/li2002.html#Nassau County Judge
First, I do not anticipate Gerard Terry entrusted with the same responsibility again.
Jay Jacobs and Tom Suozzi will be asked some pointed questions:
Such as, why do the judicial candidates have to fork over thousands of dollars and get token support in return? And why didn't Suozzi open up his enormous war chest to help out the judicial candidates? We had great judicial candidates, but they were abandoned and left hung out to dry. A few tepid TV commercials and a last-minute powder-puff mailing just didn't cut it. Shame on youu, Jay and Tom.
edward thomas
11-05-2002, 07:34 PM
Looks like the Reps take 6 maybe 7 seats depening on a recount for peck's spot if it happens. The most that shouldve been won by the Reps were 5. Wow!
not2020hindsight
11-05-2002, 08:04 PM
Look at who won, and who lost, and you'll see that all of the winners had Independence endorsement. Frankly, I couldn't give a good refried-buritto crepitation about the Greens and Liberals, for all thr "vote-pulling" "value".
P.S., it wouldn't be a bad idea for Jacobs and Suozzi to do some serious dealing with the Conservatives, too.
nassaulaw
11-17-2002, 03:37 PM
It was a true pity that so many local Democrats were overlook by the Suozzi Administration for appointed jobs while he aggressively expanded the County Executive bureaucracy and imported an army of middle managers from New York City government. Heck, folks who have been true blue for so many years getting passed over for some mediocre hacks from the City. My sympathies. The rank and file committee people who carried nominating petitions for total losers over the last thirty some odd years deserve better.
And the Pat Maher lines are just hysterical .... now that the Liberal Party has bit the dust, will she find new life as a Green? I sincerely hope so.... I find her totally entertaining.
At l my party wasn't stupid enough to actually run her for Office. Ha! Ha! Ha! Gotta love her legendary run as a Democratic candidate for the Hempstead Town Board.... and this was AFTER she ran as a Liberal against McCarthy. Caveat Emptor!
And better luck next time. Remember you the words of your own James Carville, "The election is where you f*** your enemies, the transition is where you f*** your friends." Pity.
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edward thomas
11-17-2002, 03:43 PM
Mondello's already doing it. The R's are in good shape going into next year while the D's are half asleep.
And with the jerk Jeff Gold telling newsday that the people in bellmore don't pay enough in taxes we are really moving forward.
Jeff Gold
11-17-2002, 05:27 PM
Dem1 - I was with enough people between yesterday and today to know that the import of yesterday's article was not lost on them. You have not read the other posts or are unable to understand them, but I appreciate every opportunity that you give me to explain why having Cole Layer Trumble admitting its mistake benefits everyone in Bellmore, Merrick, Wantagh, Seaford, Massapequa and Freeport. I truly am hoping that you write a few letters to the local papers (use each of your aliases) trying to justify why those who don't live on the waterfront should subsidize those that do.
Reassessment is revenue neutral. If the waterfront assessments go up, then those homeowbers pay a greater share of the school district's tax bill - everyone not living on the water pays a reduced tax rate. Can you explain why people not living on the water should pay more taxes to benefit those that do.
Why don't you explain why you think Cole Layer Trumble's admitting its error, and doing the job for which it was paid, is a bad thing. You're going to save money and so are 29 out of 30 bellmore, merrick, wantagh, and seaford homeowners.
SouthShoreRep
11-19-2002, 06:54 PM
An army of middle managers from NYC is running Nassau until they are changed/unloaded after the 2nd year. We must cut cut cut!
Bellmore Bob
11-20-2002, 03:01 AM
Its hysterical reading Jeff Gold's responses on these boards. His high minded ramblings would make you think he really CARED about anybody but himself with regard to reassessment. As he has just posted--if the values of waterfront properties go way up, inland properties go down AND THEN HIS HOUSE'S ASSESSMENT WOULD GO DOWN! He is getting inside information as a member of the county assessment board to lower his own assessment. His motto: screw my nghbors as long as my taxes are lowered. SELFISH!
Jeff Gold
11-20-2002, 04:32 AM
Bob - the reduction in the tax rate from about 78.23/100 to a minimum of 78/100 will save the average tax payer in bellmore $75 to $150 per household. I will save that money, just like 3000 other families. Similar savings will be felt by homeowners in Merrick, Seaford, Wantagh, and Massapequa, where I don't own any property. I can assure you that I wouldn't spend twenty hours a week working on reassessment issues and making myself a target for un-informed partisans like you to save $100. The Democratic principles to which I suscribe do not allow any class to benefit to the detriment of others. Keeping spinning.
Jeff Gold Fan club
11-20-2002, 11:03 AM
Get on with your life please. This is boring already ad I'm telling the administration that you are now the official spokesman.
Ichabod
11-20-2002, 01:10 PM
What makes you think that the Administration isn't already aware of who is speaking out on reassessment. I suspect they read Newsday and monitor this site from time to time.
nassaulaw
11-20-2002, 03:59 PM
sometimes they even post!
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11-26-2002, 12:52 PM
The above post is a response to "Another Long Time Dem" Thank You.
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