Suffolk Cop Suspended

[Unregisteredfgd]

6th pct Lt suspended for speaking out about Tankleff. Now Spota must be getting nervous!!

[Unregisteredfgd]

6th pct Lt suspended for speaking out about Tankleff. Now Spota must be getting nervous!!
Not even close to truth, that guy had more problems then a mathbook.

[Unregisteredfgd]

Not even close to truth, that guy had more problems then a mathbook.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-limail0208,0,6115610.story

[marty t]

And then there's this: (too late for though)

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liinte0208,0,4013870.story

Sure, you can believe confessions are never coerced. It's about time LI police joined the 21st century.

[Unregistered...]

What did they find when they checked Caines computer???

[runny]

So he was suspended for using the depts computer to make personal emails, not related to police work. A obvious violation of dept policy.
Not because he thought tankleff was innocent.
Please dont mislead the public.

[runny]

What did they find when they checked Caines computer???
computers? There werent any computers remember it was 1988??

[artistic license]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-limail0208,0,6115610.story
He was actually suspended for using the county computer for private use and during the time he was working. This was no suprise, rumor is they've been after him for a while.
This had nothing to do with . He wasnt suspended for "speaking out", if you read the article, it clearly states that,where do you come up with this?

[artistic license]

And then there's this: (too late for though)

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-liinte0208,0,4013870.story

Sure, you can believe confessions are never coerced. It's about time LI police joined the 21st century.

You do realize the tankleff case occurred in the 1980s? It has nothing to do with the 21st century.
As far as the rest of your post, it has nothing to do with the police. Da office conducts video taping of homicide suspects interviews, not the detectives or police.
Not that a rag like newsday would know that.

[Lose the pension!]

Is it a surprise to anyone that a piece of garbage from the SCPD was suspended due to improprieties? These uneducated meat-head buffoons think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want without suffering any repercussions. I hope his pension is taken away from him as well as his healthcare. Let this be a lesson to the pigs of LI – watch what you do, because it will come back to bite you in the arse. It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.

[I wish....]

Is it a surprise to anyone that a piece of garbage from the SCPD was suspended due to improprieties? These uneducated meat-head buffoons think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want without suffering any repercussions. I hope his pension is taken away from him as well as his healthcare. Let this be a lesson to the pigs of LI – watch what you do, because it will come back to bite you in the arse. It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.

Yup he just didnt fit it, smith is a lawyer with a practice, did this as a lt, a adminstrative lt, (desk job) He never fancied himself a cop, he felt he was better then rank and file....just like most trolls here(do you think?...nah) never fit in with the other cops, sgts or lts always was shunned by the rest of his peers.
Its a lot of drama for a bunch of dept charges that will amount to a loss of a weeks pay.

[autistic license]

. It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.
Autistic license...go ahead post last weeks....
dumb ass

[RSMTH]

He had a history of problems. The police dept finally decided to get rid of the cancer.

[Unregistered9985]

It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.
I honestly cant remember the last. But I do see 5-10 crimes committed by civilians posted every day

[Unrgistered]

Is it a surprise to anyone that a piece of garbage from the SCPD was suspended due to improprieties? These uneducated meat-head buffoons think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want without suffering any repercussions. I hope his pension is taken away from him as well as his healthcare. Let this be a lesson to the pigs of LI – watch what you do, because it will come back to bite you in the arse. It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.
Thats great, except he was a lt, not a cop, and spent more time drumming up business for his lawyer friends(yes he is a lawyer) interviewing the perps. He wasnt highly respected by patrol cops, and barely tolerated by his peers.

[Jennifer L]

Is it a surprise to anyone that a piece of garbage from the SCPD was suspended due to improprieties? These uneducated meat-head buffoons think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want without suffering any repercussions. I hope his pension is taken away from him as well as his healthcare. Let this be a lesson to the pigs of LI – watch what you do, because it will come back to bite you in the arse. It seems as though we can’t go a week without a story on corruption or impropriety with the NCPD or SCPD.

He keeps his pension and health insurance as he should. He used his police computer for non police related function. Have any of you ever done the same? If there is an opportunity to bring down Suffolk County cops the people writing comments here don't waste any time. But when you need a cop, who do you call? Using terms like meat head, buffoons, pigs...... You should be ashamed of yourself.

And when you reply, tell us what kind of work you do.
And before you come after me with your comments, I am not a Suffolk Cop. But I do work with them.

The Lieutenant didn't get in trouble for his comments. He got in trouble for sending them from his work computer.

[Jake Tuthill]

He keeps his pension and health insurance as he should. He used his police computer for non police related function. Have any of you ever done the same? If there is an opportunity to bring down Suffolk County cops the people writing comments here don't waste any time. But when you need a cop, who do you call? Using terms like meat head, buffoons, pigs...... You should be ashamed of yourself.

And when you reply, tell us what kind of work you do.
And before you come after me with your comments, I am not a Suffolk Cop. But I do work with them.

The Lieutenant didn't get in trouble for his comments. He got in trouble for sending them from his work computer.
I don't make my living off tax payers, so I don't have to tell you a damn thing. And yes, we will take every opportunity to trash the low life pieces of garbage in the SCPD and NCPD. They have stolen from the residents of LI for too long, and enough is enough.

[lil jake]

I don't make my living off tax payers, so I don't have to tell you a damn thing. And yes, we will take every opportunity to trash the low life pieces of garbage in the SCPD and NCPD. They have stolen from the residents of LI for too long, and enough is enough.
Yes you do. Unless every person that uses your business, whatever it is rents.
Please continue "trashing us", the amusement is endless

[8 is enough]

I don't make my living off tax payers, so I don't have to tell you a damn thing. And yes, we will take every opportunity to trash the low life pieces of garbage in the SCPD and NCPD. They have stolen from the residents of LI for too long, and enough is enough.
enough is enough...lol...posting away here claiming lifestyles of the rich and famous lifestyles, but exposing yourself as average education, and low class demeanor, is not going to effect the contract ncpd just got for 6 years at 4% nor will it affect the upcoming one upper contract for scpd.
But I guess when you are helpless it makes you feel better. I wouldnt know

[big jake kick ur ass]

Yes you do. Unless every person that uses your business, whatever it is rents.
Please continue "trashing us", the amusement is endlessWrong, I make my money in the private sector. It doesn't matter what anybody rents you idiot.

[piggy loves donuts]

enough is enough...lol...posting away here claiming lifestyles of the rich and famous lifestyles, but exposing yourself as average education, and low class demeanor, is not going to effect the contract ncpd just got for 6 years at 4% nor will it affect the upcoming one upper contract for scpd.
But I guess when you are helpless it makes you feel better. I wouldnt know
No one is claiming anything except you PIGS claiming your blue collar scum bag jobs are more prestigious than every other job out there. Yet, who's taking the test to become a LI pig? People who couldn't graduate college make up the largest % of them. You can keep the morons who can't get through college, I'll take the college graduates.

[definition of a troll]

No one is claiming anything except you PIGS claiming your blue collar scum bag jobs are more prestigious than every other job out there. Yet, who's taking the test to become a LI pig? People who couldn't graduate college make up the largest % of them. You can keep the morons who can't get through college, I'll take the college graduates.

You'll take the college graduates????? For what?
All you'll do is sit in front of your computer 24/7 and try with all your feeble skills to upset a cop.
When that doesnt work, you'll try again.
Thats who you are, and thats why you are low class, and beneath us in society

[definition of a pig]

You'll take the college graduates????? For what?
All you'll do is sit in front of your computer 24/7 and try with all your feeble skills to upset a cop.
When that doesnt work, you'll try again.
Thats who you are, and thats why you are low class, and beneath us in society
There's no effort involved here... you good for nothing meathead pigs put yourself down in every other post.

Now go fill out some accident report you hall monitor.

[udidntdefineanything]

There's no effort involved here... you good for nothing meathead pigs put yourself down in every other post.

Now go fill out some accident report you hall monitor.

What? Who said anything about effort? What are you talking about? You still didnt answer my question? What are you going to "take the college grads for" ?
You may not realize it, but every post you put yourself down, way down your true colors shine thru, nothing but white trash.
I'll gladly fill out a accident report, after you crash again.

[recrorfne]

And then arrest you for agg unlicensed, dwi, posession, reckless driving or whatever else shit like you deserves to go to jail for.

[recrorfne]

Wrong, I make my money in the private sector. It doesn't matter what anybody rents you idiot.
The private sector is dependant on its customers. You answer to them far more then we answer to you

[smarter_than_U]

And then arrest you for agg unlicensed, dwi, posession, reckless driving or whatever else shit like you deserves to go to jail for.
Sorry pal, but I don't get tickets, so I have non outstanding. You won't get anything on me little piggy. And just try to write me a ticket and see where that goes (hint: not very far when your best friend is a Nassau County traffic court prosecutor and your uncle/ godfather is a judge.

[smarter_than_U]

The private sector is dependant on its customers. You answer to them far more then we answer to you
You'll find that out soon enough when the new referendum comes out this september kickin your asses out of my village.

[dumber then all]

Sorry pal, but I don't get tickets, so I have non outstanding. You won't get anything on me little piggy. And just try to write me a ticket and see where that goes (hint: not very far when your best friend is a Nassau County traffic court prosecutor and your uncle/ godfather is a judge.
Hmm lets see, its been repeated over and over how this is a suffolk board. Not one cop posting here is from Nassau. We are currently posting on a suffolk topic, a suspended loser suffolk lt.
Now troll suddenly has a few hooks, like every other Long Islander in existence, and thinks they mean something, and they arent even in Suffolk. Newsflash dumber then me, if I write you a ticket, its not going to be in Nassau, I cannot write a ticket in Nassau unless it was during a pursuit that started in Suffolk, and I know you couldnt make it into Nassau if I was chasing you. Nor will your connections mean diddly to me, if I did write you in your little fantasyland.

[dumbest of all]

You'll find that out soon enough when the new referendum comes out this september kickin your asses out of my village.

Oh no, I'm getting kicked out of a village I dont work in in Nassau? I'm going to my pba rep. You claim intelligence, you claim class, wealth etc. But you are on a Suffolk thread posting about little hempstead or whatever they call your village, to a person who works in Suffolk and couldnt care less.

And you dont think you are entertaining?

[smarter_than_U]

Hmm lets see, its been repeated over and over how this is a suffolk board. Not one cop posting here is from Nassau. We are currently posting on a suffolk topic, a suspended loser suffolk lt.
Now troll suddenly has a few hooks, like every other Long Islander in existence, and thinks they mean something, and they arent even in Suffolk. Newsflash dumber then me, if I write you a ticket, its not going to be in Nassau, I cannot write a ticket in Nassau unless it was during a pursuit that started in Suffolk, and I know you couldnt make it into Nassau if I was chasing you. Nor will your connections mean diddly to me, if I did write you in your little fantasyland.Sorry piggy poo, then it turns out you'll never write me anything because I don't go out in Suffolk County. Why would I go there? Everything I have is in Nassau, so poo poo to you. You and your crooked police force are just as incompetent as the Nassau fellas though.

[dumbest of all]

Sorry piggy poo, then it turns out you'll never write me anything because I don't go out in Suffolk County. Why would I go there? Everything I have is in Nassau, so poo poo to you. You and your crooked police force are just as incompetent as the Nassau fellas though.
Coming from someone as braindead as you, that means a lot. As I've stated, I dont write tickets, but let me add this, I dotn care if you go into suffolk, nassau or bermuda, I just want you to keep posting your bullshit.

[iab is watching]

Can we get another post on how iab is monitoring the ips of off duty posters? Seng how the cost of the supoena, and the grand jury's hearing of the case for the supoena, oh wait there cant be a case, because its not a crime to post here.....and if there was, we'd be informed of it. Oh and the rules and procedures plus the budget doesnt allow for what called "fishing"
yeah renick, etc you guys are smart!!!
THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP BROTHER!!!!
YOU FUCKING MORON

[pile of sh!t]

Can we get another post on how iab is monitoring the ips of off duty posters? Seng how the cost of the supoena, and the grand jury's hearing of the case for the supoena, oh wait there cant be a case, because its not a crime to post here.....and if there was, we'd be informed of it. Oh and the rules and procedures plus the budget doesnt allow for what called "fishing"
yeah renick, etc you guys are smart!!!
THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP BROTHER!!!!
YOU FUCKING MORON
Ok idiot then explain how this lt pig was busted. you cops are amazing you think you are smarter then everyone. Its so transparent.

[more assumptions]

Ok idiot then explain how this lt pig was busted. you cops are amazing you think you are smarter then everyone. Its so transparent.

More reading comprehension, moron. The prior post discussed how many many trolls here are claiming super duper secret survllance of supposed police officer posting here, while not working, and on thr own computers.
Your post is in reference to a lt who was using a scpd computer while working. All computer activity where we work can be monitored and is stored indefinitely. The dept did not need anything or anyones permission to access records of thr own computers.
I wish many posters here had employers who were as conscientious as ours were. Theres a lot of posters wasting thr employees time. But I digress, you need to stop believing you know all, because its apparent you arenot that smart.

[smarter_than_ U]

Sorry pal, but I don't get tickets, so I have non outstanding. You won't get anything on me little piggy. And just try to write me a ticket and see where that goes (hint: not very far when your best friend is a Nassau County traffic court prosecutor and your uncle/ godfather is a judge.
so you are saying your lowlife friend in the traffic courts might do something with a ticket? I love the scpd online complaint section, I've already gotten confirmation that this post was forwarded to Nassau's IA.

[smarter_than_ U]

. Why would I go there? Everything I have is in Nassau, so poo poo to you.
So poo poo to you..wow you are impressive. That probably ends mosat arguments with your friends over thr sats scores, huh.
But you are right, ride your bike to Gristedes do your 8 hours of stocking the shelves and come home to mommas basement. Whos got it better then you.

[u r 4 real]

Sorry pal, but I don't get tickets, so I have non outstanding. You won't get anything on me little piggy. And just try to write me a ticket and see where that goes (hint: not very far when your best friend is a Nassau County traffic court prosecutor and your uncle/ godfather is a judge.
And your wifes a criminal trial atty, remember????
LMAO

[smarter_than_U]

so you are saying your lowlife friend in the traffic courts might do something with a ticket? I love the scpd online complaint section, I've already gotten confirmation that this post was forwarded to Nassau's IA.Guess where it will go... nowhere. Good for you for wasting 2 minutes of your life (in addition to the countless days you've wasted posting nonsense).

[smarter_than_U]

And your wifes a criminal trial atty, remember????
LMAOHuh? I've never mentioned my wife where does this stupidity come from?

[hey tough guy]

I'd really love to see you talk to a cop....ANY COP, including a female......the way you trash talk here. But you don't have the sack do you, cause you know you'd get bitch slapped right out of your birkenstocks. You're nothing but a punkass bitch trying to sound tough.

[smarter_than_ U]

Guess where it will go... nowhere. Good for you for wasting 2 minutes of your life (in addition to the countless days you've wasted posting nonsense).

Yeah, ok and you havent wasted a second right? Thanks for the heads up, I've got 2 family members in Nassaus Ia, if you think your friends safe, you got another thing coming. Dont worry if Ia finds a low level clerk in thr traffic division is messing around with tickets, he'll be gone.

[smarter_than_ U]

I'd really love to see you talk to a cop....ANY COP, including a female......the way you trash talk here. But you don't have the sack do you, cause you know you'd get bitch slapped right out of your birkenstocks. You're nothing but a punkass bitch trying to sound tough.

Exactly, and he knows that. Dont feed his ego with posts like that. Treat him like a joke, and this board like a simple game of checkers, once you do you'll always win.

[Flatfoot]

never fit in with the other cops, sgts or lts always was shunned by the rest of his peers.

Sounds like youre referring to NYPD Officer Frank Serpico....a cop's cop.

[arched foot]

Sounds like youre referring to NYPD Officer Frank Serpico....a cop's cop.
There are many reasons why a cop is shunned. Some supposedly are rats, others are too heavy handed, others are just assholes.
There are cops that are assholes, yep I said it. They were assholes before they became cops, and didnt change for the better. There are assholes in every walk of life. The cops that are assholes usually arent liked by other cops. Save whatever childish comments you have in reply. Ive seen assholes richer then you and poorer then you.
This lt was not a cops cop, he was not suspended for speaking out. He was suspended, among other things, for spending his entire tour of duty playing fantasy baseball on the county's computer.

[October 29, 2006]

Yeah, ok and you havent wasted a second right? Thanks for the heads up, I've got 2 family members in Nassaus Ia, if you think your friends safe, you got another thing coming. Dont worry if Ia finds a low level clerk in thr traffic division is messing around with tickets, he'll be gone.
bury them

[iamsmarter_than_U]

Looks like someone got sam z to erase offensive or trolling threads.....nice work.
Whos smarter then who?
See you soon troll

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Before his crap bng banned, he had over 20 posts in 1 day...now look
VICTORY!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not that he wont be back. I'm hoping he wasnt banned. I told not to ban him, after all he was mildly amusing in a 5th grade way.

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Before his crap bng banned, he had over 20 posts in 1 day...now look
VICTORY!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO
Not that he wont be back. I'm hoping he wasnt banned. I told not to ban him, after all he was mildly amusing in a 5th grade way.

This is actually funny. You have cops who accuse "trolls" of spending all thr free time on here, yet here you have a cop who's on a first name basis with . Whatta looozah!

[Flatfoot]

There are many reasons why a cop is shunned. Some supposedly are rats,


I find it interesting that you refer to some cops as rats.

Do you believe Frank Serpico was a rat for exposing the criminal activities many NYPD detectives engaged in during the time Serpico was OTJ?

Isn't "Rat" another way of describing a person who tells the truth?

Unless they are lowlifes who abuse thr authority, why would cops shun a Rat?

[arched foot]

I find it interesting that you refer to some cops as rats.

Do you believe Frank Serpico was a rat for exposing the criminal activities many NYPD detectives engaged in during the time Serpico was OTJ?

Isn't "Rat" another way of describing a person who tells the truth?

Unless they are lowlifes who abuse thr authority, why would cops shun a Rat? I'm telling you why cops are shunned. Dont put this Lt. in Serpicos shoes because someone is saying he was shunned. He was abusing the system.
Cops are shunned for many reasons, most of all bng corrupt. Drugs users, etc we have no use for. I've never worked around a rat, probably because no one I work with is breaking the law. I've made sure those who do not know how to act the heavy handed, or abusive do not show up on my calls. Likewise off duty if you act like that or engage in activities beneath me like drinking, drugging or even pot. Its a different world from the serpico era.

[dole..john dole]

Here we go, lectures on police ethics from a piece of garbage who couldnt even do 20 years without getting busted for drug use.
Save it taxi driver. No one here needs your advice, unless its what NOT to do in thr police career

[Sal B.]

I've made sure those who do not know how to act the heavy handed, or abusive do not show up on my calls.

So you condone heavy-handed and abusive cops.

[FormerCopper]

Reading all the B.S. on this subject, one would think that this Lt. is known to many of you. If that were the case, you'd know what an educated but uninformed putz he really is. This is an officer who never did much time on the street, and when he did, he had all the guys working for him shaking thr heads. Bad decisions made continuously that left his men and the Dept. exposed....

It's no surprise this pompous, self-important turd got jammed the way he did. Even the greenest Rookie knows that an employer has every right to monitor and control what every computer owned by the department is used for. There is no room for fantasy football, correspondence to newsday or any other of the like when the Dept. repeatedly directed this practice was against policy....

Don't get it wrong, I'm not one to dissallow free speech, but one cannot, as a representative of a Police Department, or any other employer, make statements of personal opinion under the umbrella of bng a representative of such Dept.

He got what he deserved and now the cops in his squad are breathing a sigh of relief I'm sure.

[arched foot]

So you condone heavy-handed and abusive cops.

Yes, I condone them by giving them a disregard and handling the call alone. Are you that stupid?? Look stop trying to find a argument where there isnt one.

[Unregistered8888887]

Let us stop all the Bulls**T, please, and face the facts. I don’t know what the suspended Lieutenant did or didn’t do to deserve getting suspended. Golly, gee, he gets it with a 30 day suspension because he misused a police computer? Or did he get suspended by saying something not in line with the Program?

What I see in many of these posts are people who appear to be cops reveling in the idea a guy they didn’t like got screwed. It is not so much he did something wrong, but because it is a personal issue that causes you to write of him.

I have posted many times before on issues of ONLY certain members of the SCPD. Many of you will recognize who I am and why I write. My sign in name is Unregistered with a string of numbers because I don’t bother to remember what my member name is.

Free Speech? Horse manure.

I was at a trial where a cop was accused of burglary. His former sergeant, now a lieutenant was testifying as to the duties a police officer responding to a 10-72 should do when he arrives on the scene. He would testify that from the radio calls the officer heard (and everyone else heard, including the sergeant) that the officer should have called for: Backup; form a perimeter; call for K-9, and Aviation. That when he announced that he was going into the building with the manager, the sergeant said it was reckless and careless for him to do so. The fact there was NO signs of a break (testified to by the manager in court, and confirmed by the store’s In-House investigator, when he opined that it appeared the burglars had most likely hid in the store on closing. The fact that the job was given out as a “Audible’ alarm when it was actually not audible wasn’t considered that maybe the cop had even more reason to believe that this 10-72 was nothing more than just another of the 99% false burglar alarms that are made in Suffolk County each year.

He should have done this, and he should have done that, and he shouldn’t have done this, or shouldn’t have done that, and his actions that he was said to have intentionally disregarded in furtherance of assisting the burglars, was never considered to be inappropriate and lacking by the same sergeant who heard the same radio transmissions that the cop heard on the radio. Nther did any of the other 20+ radio cars think there was cause to believe there was a burglary in progress, or a past burglary. They never chose to come for a back-up. They didn’t bother to come because they, as the cop, believed this was just another false alarm. And nther did that POS sergeant – now lieutenant bother to come until he heard it to be a confirmed burglary. Oh, yes, he said he suspected something was wrong and that is why he started going over. He let his subordinate risk life and limb, and do what he thought was a sloppy job of securing the premises, but he, and the other cars never thought it wise to show up. And nther did the car who was assigned the job at 1 :11 and again at 144, ever show up although 9 minutes had passed from the time of the second call until the time he advised the cop that he was going to take his other job – a 10-72.

The sergeant made NO reports of improper police actions on the part of his subordinate to the platoon commander. In fact he disappeared to the 1st Pct at 400AM for two hours, without explanation other than a few words contained in his memo book that he was at the 1st.Pct until 600Am. And then he went to his own command at 6:00AM to finish his tour at 8AM. He had only four one line entries in his memo book.

When he was asked by the ‘detective’ who investigated this matter four months before the trial, the detective noted in his book that he interviewed Lt.Hickey, and he had NO RECOLLECTION OF THE INCIDENT.

DIRECT TO THE ISSUE OF FREE SPEECH:
Three off-duty police officers known to the cop and the sergeant/Lt decided to stop in at court, and as they said: “we came here to see for ourselves. We hope he didn’t do this.” They obviously heard all the garbage rumors that some of you revel in hearing, and the general assumption, based on lies led a reasonable man to believe that it was possible the cop had in fact did what he was charged with.

They were there. They were experienced police officers who must have responded to hundreds of 10-72 calls, both real and false. They knew the duties of a police officer at the scene of a 10-72, and what they heard from this lying bastard, thr former supervisor was LIES, and MORE LIES, for the obvious intention of framing an innocent man. Thr mouths were left open. If they came to the trial with a doubt as to guilt or innocence, I believed they left believing he was innocent, or was bng framed, or both.

The Lieutenant saw them in the audience and when they left the courtroom he followed them out into the corridor and verbally abused them for coming to the trial. “Who told them they could come?” “What gave them the right to be there?” If anybody should have been at the trial it should have been cops to see one of thr own who tarnished thr shields should be made to pay for the disgrace they may have once believed he burdened them with.

The VERY next day those three officers were ordered by Dormer to write a full page explanation as to why they were there. But, first, Dormer cleared it with the PBA to ask thr permission to do so and not expect a grievance. He got it and he did it. He did it to silence them from telling other cops what they had just witnessed for themselves: A perjurer for a Lieutenant who was enlisted to frame an innocent man.

The scurrilous remarks made on this board about Lt.Smith were made of the cop. He just wasn’t liked by many of his former colleagues, much of that came from other rumors of no foundation.

Free speech, my A$$. It is everything other than free speech, it is intimidation and fear to hide the real criminals that continue to slither into your lives each day without you having a clue there is a snake under that rock you just stepped over.

Most of you guys and gals are just ordinary folks, but bng a cop seems to bring out the worse in some of you. You love the misery of others and you only add to the misery when you have no right to do so.

[Unregistered2000]

Holy Crap...have you ever heard the saying "your beating a dead horse" . I am sure a man of your stature could find a lot of better things to do with the time he has left on this earth then sounding like a broken record

[John corey]

Here's Ray Montefusco's father-in-law again....face it Jack, your daughter married a skell.

[Unregistered5858585]

As expected the usual from the idiots. The 'horse' will not stopped bng beaten until all the RATS are exposed.

Glad to see the A-Holes are alive and well. Never have addressed the facts, and you never will.

Thanx, your posts simply confirm some of my thoughts that the there is a core group in every PD that love to see the worst of thr own.

[Unistered]

The lt in question treated his squads like crap, for years, leading every squad he was transferred to to the bottom of the pct in"stats". Eventually it led to a investigation into him. They found him while on duty spending entire tours web surfing.
Thats all this was, dont try to make it anything else. Are you saying he should not have been suspended? Lts make a decent salary out here, and should be doing thr job, as everyone should cop or not. He had his ia meeting, when given a chance to own up to it and get a light sentence, he went the other way. During the meeting he was mouthy and also charged with insubordination. Hence the press release

[unrelated matters]

Let us stop all the Bulls**T, please, and face the facts. I don’t know what the suspended Lieutenant did or didn’t do to deserve getting suspended. Golly, gee, he gets it with a 30 day suspension because he misused a police computer? Or did he get suspended by saying something not in line with the Program?

What I see in many of these posts are people who appear to be cops reveling in the idea a guy they didn’t like got screwed. It is not so much he did something wrong, but because it is a personal issue that causes you to write of him.

I have posted many times before on issues of ONLY certain members of the SCPD. Many of you will recognize who I am and why I write. My sign in name is Unregistered with a string of numbers because I don’t bother to remember what my member name is.

Free Speech? Horse manure.

I was at a trial where a cop was accused of burglary. His former sergeant, now a lieutenant was testifying as to the duties a police officer responding to a 10-72 should do when he arrives on the scene. He would testify that from the radio calls the officer heard (and everyone else heard, including the sergeant) that the officer should have called for: Backup; form a perimeter; call for K-9, and Aviation. That when he announced that he was going into the building with the manager, the sergeant said it was reckless and careless for him to do so. The fact there was NO signs of a break (testified to by the manager in court, and confirmed by the store’s In-House investigator, when he opined that it appeared the burglars had most likely hid in the store on closing. The fact that the job was given out as a “Audible’ alarm when it was actually not audible wasn’t considered that maybe the cop had even more reason to believe that this 10-72 was nothing more than just another of the 99% false burglar alarms that are made in Suffolk County each year.

He should have done this, and he should have done that, and he shouldn’t have done this, or shouldn’t have done that, and his actions that he was said to have intentionally disregarded in furtherance of assisting the burglars, was never considered to be inappropriate and lacking by the same sergeant who heard the same radio transmissions that the cop heard on the radio. Nther did any of the other 20+ radio cars think there was cause to believe there was a burglary in progress, or a past burglary. They never chose to come for a back-up. They didn’t bother to come because they, as the cop, believed this was just another false alarm. And nther did that POS sergeant – now lieutenant bother to come until he heard it to be a confirmed burglary. Oh, yes, he said he suspected something was wrong and that is why he started going over. He let his subordinate risk life and limb, and do what he thought was a sloppy job of securing the premises, but he, and the other cars never thought it wise to show up. And nther did the car who was assigned the job at 1 :11 and again at 144, ever show up although 9 minutes had passed from the time of the second call until the time he advised the cop that he was going to take his other job – a 10-72.

The sergeant made NO reports of improper police actions on the part of his subordinate to the platoon commander. In fact he disappeared to the 1st Pct at 400AM for two hours, without explanation other than a few words contained in his memo book that he was at the 1st.Pct until 600Am. And then he went to his own command at 6:00AM to finish his tour at 8AM. He had only four one line entries in his memo book.

When he was asked by the ‘detective’ who investigated this matter four months before the trial, the detective noted in his book that he interviewed Lt.Hickey, and he had NO RECOLLECTION OF THE INCIDENT.

DIRECT TO THE ISSUE OF FREE SPEECH:
Three off-duty police officers known to the cop and the sergeant/Lt decided to stop in at court, and as they said: “we came here to see for ourselves. We hope he didn’t do this.” They obviously heard all the garbage rumors that some of you revel in hearing, and the general assumption, based on lies led a reasonable man to believe that it was possible the cop had in fact did what he was charged with.

They were there. They were experienced police officers who must have responded to hundreds of 10-72 calls, both real and false. They knew the duties of a police officer at the scene of a 10-72, and what they heard from this lying bastard, thr former supervisor was LIES, and MORE LIES, for the obvious intention of framing an innocent man. Thr mouths were left open. If they came to the trial with a doubt as to guilt or innocence, I believed they left believing he was innocent, or was bng framed, or both.

The Lieutenant saw them in the audience and when they left the courtroom he followed them out into the corridor and verbally abused them for coming to the trial. “Who told them they could come?” “What gave them the right to be there?” If anybody should have been at the trial it should have been cops to see one of thr own who tarnished thr shields should be made to pay for the disgrace they may have once believed he burdened them with.

The VERY next day those three officers were ordered by Dormer to write a full page explanation as to why they were there. But, first, Dormer cleared it with the PBA to ask thr permission to do so and not expect a grievance. He got it and he did it. He did it to silence them from telling other cops what they had just witnessed for themselves: A perjurer for a Lieutenant who was enlisted to frame an innocent man.

The scurrilous remarks made on this board about Lt.Smith were made of the cop. He just wasn’t liked by many of his former colleagues, much of that came from other rumors of no foundation.

Free speech, my A$$. It is everything other than free speech, it is intimidation and fear to hide the real criminals that continue to slither into your lives each day without you having a clue there is a snake under that rock you just stepped over.

Most of you guys and gals are just ordinary folks, but bng a cop seems to bring out the worse in some of you. You love the misery of others and you only add to the misery when you have no right to do so.
I dont see how the two stories are related. I dont see the connection.

The lt was suspended because he wasnt doing his job, and his squad fell apart right in front of him. He was admonished, several of his sgts were and there was a shake up of the whole squad. He transferred to his new squad last year, and the numbers were down over 50%. The squad he just left went up by 60% after he left. Dont you think the powers that be arent going to look into him?
He was retiring this year, and apparently was just riding out the calender. Even after bng caught he was defiant and refused to cooperate or change his behavior, still using the computer after bng advised he was under investigation. Ia was not looking to bury him, just to stop his improper behavior, he escalated it, and was brought up on charges. He could have ended it with a admission of guilt, and a week's hit. Instead he was insubordinate and dissrespectful to his superiors and ia. Do you think they were going to be nice to him?

[Unregistered8987909876]

I didn't have a clue as to what the LT did or didn't do. What the charges were that he used a police computer for web surfing when he should have been working. Please, give me a break. If his stats were down as bad as you say, OK, I could understand he needed re-training. But is he the only dead wood in the Department.

You guys sound like all the cops are like Batman and Robin, vigiliantly patrolling the HiWays and BiWays to root out crime and sin. Please, most of you guys goof off all day. Most of you guys jump up for the call and are there. Some of you guys NEVER jump up when the bell rings. I don't expect a cop to be riding around thru the streets doing grid patrols, stopping cars, writing tickets all day. "Goofing Off" is part of the job. Sometimes one needs a break from the boredom.

Please, guys, the guy was at l in the SH with the PC. What about the guys who go drinking and whoring around all day and night. You know who you are. Frankly, I could care less as long as when I call you are there.

[round you go]

I didn't have a clue as to what the LT did or didn't do. What the charges were that he used a police computer for web surfing when he should have been working. Please, give me a break. If his stats were down as bad as you say, OK, I could understand he needed re-training. But is he the only dead wood in the Department.

You guys sound like all the cops are like Batman and Robin, vigiliantly patrolling the HiWays and BiWays to root out crime and sin. Please, most of you guys goof off all day. Most of you guys jump up for the call and are there. Some of you guys NEVER jump up when the bell rings. I don't expect a cop to be riding around thru the streets doing grid patrols, stopping cars, writing tickets all day. "Goofing Off" is part of the job. Sometimes one needs a break from the boredom.

Please, guys, the guy was at l in the SH with the PC. What about the guys who go drinking and whoring around all day and night. You know who you are. Frankly, I could care less as long as when I call you are there.
you have a lt, a supposed supervisor abusing his place to hide in his office all nite long and play on the computer. If he is doing that, what do you expect his workers to do? Goofing off is sitting in a parking lot for 15 minutes and talking to your nghboring car. Its not spending 60% of your time every tour surfing the web while you are getting paid. Because you know you are retiring.
As stated prior, he went for a hearing on these allegations and basically told his supervisors he was doing what he wanted, and couldnt stop him. How do you retrain a lt who is retiring within the year, who doesnt even want to fix what hes doing wrong?
You are reaching. If a guy goes drinking and whoring he should be fired. If a guy spends all day on the computer, he should be taught a lesson

[Unregistered83848557]

I think I woud prefer a supervisor bng on a computer surfing the net than one who runs his private businesses on company time and uses County gas, cars, and EZ Passes to and fro.

Stop, the guy was going to retire. Best way to stay out of trouble is to do NOTHING.

The BOSS does nothing anyway. That is Old School NYPD. You get a boss involved in ANYTHING and you paid for it. You call the boss only when thr interests were at stake - nothing else.

The guy is bng punished because he wasn't liked. But who do you guys really like anyway. You don't even like yourselves if you really think about it.

[Unregister]

I think I woud prefer a supervisor bng on a computer surfing the net than one who runs his private businesses on company time and uses County gas, cars, and EZ Passes to and fro.

Stop, the guy was going to retire. Best way to stay out of trouble is to do NOTHING.

The BOSS does nothing anyway. That is Old School NYPD. You get a boss involved in ANYTHING and you paid for it. You call the boss only when thr interests were at stake - nothing else.

The guy is bng punished because he wasn't liked. But who do you guys really like anyway. You don't even like yourselves if you really think about it.
I would prefer a supervisor to do his job. If hes doing something else he is wrong ther way. ther way he is getting paid and using the county's equipment improperly. There is no lesser evil there.
Yes the guy was going to retire, the issue of not doing anything... if you are a supervisor, and you dont want trouble you at l want to appear to be doing your job. ther way when something goes wrong you are going to be held accountable. If you do youe job, no one can say you were screwing around all night on the computer and bang you for time.
And he wasnt doing nothing, he was constantly making problems for his employees, that is why they shut down. Why bother bringing in a arrest if he was going to look for civil rights violations?
Supervisors have functions they are supposed to perform, outside of patrol. When all the reports that the oic is supposed to fill out are not, or are done by the desk sgt every night, or the following tours lt, it shows he isnt interested in doing his job.
The lt was never like as a supervisor, that means diddly out here. He was liked and respected by his peers and his bosses. Beofre he made his mind up to rtre there was talk of him going to the legal bureau.
Of course sooner of later someone is going to look into what is going on with him if every squad he runs turns to crap. He is bng punished because when they had thr meeting with him, he was arrogant and defiant, rather then compliant. The warning became a suspension, and further investigation led to more violations ( over 40 charges) and more suspension time.
You are a outsider looking in. You are guessing at what is going on, based on assumptions, and trying to make it something its not.

[button it up already]

For God's sake, button it up already. Freedom of speech? Bull. Just a bunch of wash women playing into the hands of people who want to destroy you & your profession.

Got something to say? Notify someone in the chain who can do something about it. Sign it anonymous if you must. Over here you're only playing into the hands of reporters, attorneys, & random anarchist wannabes.

Shame on you all.

[budselig]

For God's sake, button it up already. Freedom of speech? Bull. Just a bunch of wash women playing into the hands of people who want to destroy you & your profession.

Got something to say? Notify someone in the chain who can do something about it. Sign it anonymous if you must. Over here you're only playing into the hands of reporters, attorneys, & random anarchist wannabes.

Shame on you all.

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[Unregistered69697854]

The poster said the cops weren't making arrests because the LT was looking to see if they were done properly. That he was looking for civil rights violations? Now isn't that part of his job -to see that arrests are done properly?

If the cops did thr job properly and didn't violate the rights of those they arrested, then there shouldn't be a problem, should there? Believe it or not you can arrest people without violating thr civil rights. Try it sometimes, it works.

What it appears from what I have been reading is the LT got busted no so much for surfing the Net, but because the Brass had other beefs with him and used the computer issue to do him in.

There is a kind of story in the NYPD not so long ago when the Chief of The Department broke the subordinate chief balls. He was asking them why the Street Crime Unit was able to make so many gun collars while the patrol cops were seriously lacking behind. One chief with balls ( a woman who grew them) piped up and told the chief that her people are required to follow the Constitution.

So did the drop in arrests occur because the cops thought they would be scrutinized for lawful arrests, or was it they couldn't make many of the arrests if they didn't violate the constitution?

Yes, I am outside looking in. I also am not trying to make something out of nothing. For all I know the LT got what was coming to him. But this case sure smacks of retribution and abuse of power.

Maybe the guy simply got tired of the BS, and tried to do his best to see it was done right.

Who knows, he may be able to use what was just said as a defense. He tried to get the cops under his command to conform to the Consitution, the arrest numbers fell, and it is the NUMBERS that count more than the Law.

[another guess]

The poster said the cops weren't making arrests because the LT was looking to see if they were done properly. That he was looking for civil rights violations? Now isn't that part of his job -to see that arrests are done properly?

If the cops did thr job properly and didn't violate the rights of those they arrested, then there shouldn't be a problem, should there? Believe it or not you can arrest people without violating thr civil rights. Try it sometimes, it works.

What it appears from what I have been reading is the LT got busted no so much for surfing the Net, but because the Brass had other beefs with him and used the computer issue to do him in.

There is a kind of story in the NYPD not so long ago when the Chief of The Department broke the subordinate chief balls. He was asking them why the Street Crime Unit was able to make so many gun collars while the patrol cops were seriously lacking behind. One chief with balls ( a woman who grew them) piped up and told the chief that her people are required to follow the Constitution.

So did the drop in arrests occur because the cops thought they would be scrutinized for lawful arrests, or was it they couldn't make many of the arrests if they didn't violate the constitution?

Yes, I am outside looking in. I also am not trying to make something out of nothing. For all I know the LT got what was coming to him. But this case sure smacks of retribution and abuse of power.

Maybe the guy simply got tired of the BS, and tried to do his best to see it was done right.

Who knows, he may be able to use what was just said as a defense. He tried to get the cops under his command to conform to the Consitution, the arrest numbers fell, and it is the NUMBERS that count more than the Law.
Is it his job to offer legal counsel? Is it his job to offer him arrestees his attorney friends business cards?? To advise subjects under arrest not to speak without a lawyer?
He was not interested in scrutinizing the arrests, as a lt but as a lawyer. He never looked into the legality of the arrest, and often attempted to make a simple misd into a felony.
This lt has done many things to many cops who didnt deserve it. I will not go into it here.
There was no beef between him and the brass, again he was in line for a promotion to the legal bureau, he was respected by his peers and very knowledgeable. ..... and if he had cooperated and accepted thr recommendation prior to his hearing's outcome, he probably would not have been suspended. It was his arrogance and insubordination that forced the hand of the dept. HE escalated it.
Please stop guessing.

[Unregis]

The poster said the cops weren't making arrests because the LT was looking to see if they were done properly. That he was looking for civil rights violations? Now isn't that part of his job -to see that arrests are done properly?

If the cops did thr job properly and didn't violate the rights of those they arrested, then there shouldn't be a problem, should there? Believe it or not you can arrest people without violating thr civil rights. Try it sometimes, it works.

What it appears from what I have been reading is the LT got busted no so much for surfing the Net, but because the Brass had other beefs with him and used the computer issue to do him in.

There is a kind of story in the NYPD not so long ago when the Chief of The Department broke the subordinate chief balls. He was asking them why the Street Crime Unit was able to make so many gun collars while the patrol cops were seriously lacking behind. One chief with balls ( a woman who grew them) piped up and told the chief that her people are required to follow the Constitution.

So did the drop in arrests occur because the cops thought they would be scrutinized for lawful arrests, or was it they couldn't make many of the arrests if they didn't violate the constitution?

Yes, I am outside looking in. I also am not trying to make something out of nothing. For all I know the LT got what was coming to him. But this case sure smacks of retribution and abuse of power.

Maybe the guy simply got tired of the BS, and tried to do his best to see it was done right.

Who knows, he may be able to use what was just said as a defense. He tried to get the cops under his command to conform to the Consitution, the arrest numbers fell, and it is the NUMBERS that count more than the Law.Wrong I didnt say the squad stopped making arrests because the lt was seng if they were correct. I said the lt harassed and demeaned enough of his squad that they simply didnt want to work. He didnt check to see if the arrests were proper.All arrest pretty much are proper out here.if you dont have p.c. then you dont make the arrest. If you dont have signed paperwork from the victim/comp, likewise. his issue was drumming up business for his attorney friends. Again you are looking in from the outside and trying to justfy his actions. He was a lt, he was suspended and made a news bulletin. There are many lts in many police depts that do far worse then him, dept and even criminally, and are not liked ther, yet how many make the paper? Very few. The issue was his attitude during the investigation and hearing. Had he played ball, admitted he was wrong, simply wrong, it would have ended.

[Unregistered048588383848]

ARE you really saying that? Now you are getting heavy. I am not guessing, I am just making observations from what I read. He was charged with abusing the computer while he was working. This is the first I heard he offered up lawyers to suspects. Where did this come from?

He didn't work in the DA squad, did he? They do that all the time. Even thr boss Tom Spota did something like that when he was a private attorney handing out cards to cops for referrals. Anbody get slapped on the hands for that.

[seeing the lite]

Here is the deal. Smith had known he was retiring for a while and stopped caring. Prior to that he was a very difficult supervisor to work for, or around. Rather then go into details, I'd say the rumors posted here are just the tip of the iceberg.
At some point ther thru a tip, or a red flag alert from ther a site he was using or email sent, his computer useage was monitored. At some point he was giving a warning of sorts to stop, which he ignored. So inevitably he was investigated. During his interview he said all the wrong things, pissing off everyone involved, including his Soa rep, and was dept charged. He then put in his retirement papers.
He wasnt the worst cop in the world, he did nothing criminal, but he didnt play the game. When you get caught, you fess up, act contrite and accept your punishment. When you dont you are made a example of.
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it has everything to do with maintaining discipline and order within the ranks.

[Usnaprgseed]

I am not guessing, I am just making observations from what I read. He was charged with abusing the computer while he was working.
What you are doing is obvious. You dont like scpd. You dont like thr higher ups. You see a article on a boss who was suspended and are trying to fit it to your agenda, which is bashing them. So you make a statement based on your biased opinion, based on reading a article from Newsday . You are told several times by several posters you are wrong, so you keep twisting and grasping for new angles to make it fit.
But it doesnt fit this time. No one is saying this boss was a perp or did anything criminal. He was caught for whatever reason abusing his position, shirking his duties, and when called out on it, did the worst thing he could, he refused to cooperate. Maybe he did this knowing he was retiring.
ther way, thats life. If I was caught doing that, and ia went after me, I'd admit to it formally apologize and take whats coming. If I mouthed off to my superiors and Ia I would get exactly what he got, id not much more.
I doubt anyone would be posting here defending me or saying I was bng punished for speaking against the county's beliefs. I would be ridiculed for bng overpaid and goofing off, and wasting the taxpayers hard earned money. And rightly so.
If you talk to anyone who worked for this guy, and even people who worked in other commands that he went after for no reason, you'd know the brass got it right this time.

[Unregistered587677456]

I don't have any problems with SCPD. I met a lot of good guys along the way. Most of the Brass, I expect are OK. Many of them are part of the organization that seems to be under the control of only a few.

The people I don't like, I think they don't like them ther. They just can't do a thing about it.

What I have been saying about the LT is what I believe you have been confirming in your many posts: The LT got charged for one thing when they wanted him for another. I don't believe that is right in any department, even the departments I am more fond of.

I have no beef with SCPD, in the general sense of the word. Just a few bad apples who do the same things the LT has done, but ONLY much worse. Much worse.

[Unregi]

IWhat I have been saying about the LT is what I believe you have been confirming in your many posts: The LT got charged for one thing when they wanted him for another. I don't believe that is right in any department, even the departments I am more fond of.


They didnt want to charge him but when a lt tells aia captian, his inspector, and everyone else in ear shot "you got nothing ther charge me or stop wasting my time"
what do you think they are going to do???

[rayloser]

Will anyone out there say what they really feel about Lt Smith getting suspended. It couldn't happen to a better person. He WAS a horrible boss and the job should have gotten ride of him years ago .

[still guessing]

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What I have been saying about the LT is what I believe you have been confirming in your many posts: The LT got charged for one thing when they wanted him for another. I don't believe that is right in any department, even the departments I am more fond of.





Who said that? he got flagged for emails and websites outside of the approved realm. Should scpd not investigate him because he is a lt? When he was investigated, he didnt do the right thing...own up to it, be contrite and accept his punishment. Maybe there were complaints from the pos that qorked for him but do you think anyone cares about that?
Where do you fathom he was wanted for anything? It cost them over 5,000 to investigate something like this, knowing that he was retiring in side the year, and is the last thing they wanted.
Maybe you were a cop or maybe not, here is a hint, if the dept puts out a press release on a cop bng suspended or charged just within dept guidelines, it usually means he flipped them off when they wanted him to cooperate. This cop is bng made a lesson to all cops, tell the truth, confess, and accept the verbal warning, or punishment.
That is all this is.

[Unregistered3949567]

LET me tell you something sonny. I personally witnessed one of the biggest abominations I ever seen. I saw one of those precious fellows in the Ivory Tower perjure himself on the stand to sink a cop. He says three cops in the courtroom that he supervised years back. They hear his lies and they are shocked. They came into the courtroom totally unbiased and not with much of an opinion. The POS chased them out into the hallway. He didn't want them going back to the troops to tell the rest of the guys the crap they were hearing over the past two years was just that: crap and a railroad job. that POS LT got the PC to have them write him an explanation why they went to the court. It was to intimidate. Period. The other POS's the PBA signed off on it after the PC called them for permission so as not to start a war.

I saw those POS's you think are noble and just tear apart a retired LT who came into the court for the defense. He had no agenda. Made no remarkss of the character of the cop on trial. And gave no opinions if the cop did or did not commit the crimes charged. They, and I mean the SCPD opened up the IAB files going back almost 30 years to take out snippets of crap. But they didn't open up the IAB file of that POS who testified although in 1992 he had 18 complaints allegedly lodged against him and his partner.

I saw a sergeant get on the stand who was a cop with the cop charged. All he tesitified to was he heard a call from the cop to back him up on a summons. Saw the cop. He said he had no reason to believe it didn't happen. He just didn't have an independant recollection of the event as it was a non event. Your wonderful, non vicious of 'honorable' cops allowed this fine young man, now a sergeant to be made to look like a fool and a criminal covering up for his 'friend'. The SOBS even compared him to a POS and told the jury this professional taking down more than 100K a year couldn't remember that evening and the POS motorist who testified remembered everything. Yeah, they were so concerned about what the sergeant had to say they NEVER interviewed him for two years when he was a potential witness to the crime charged. That was because his testimony would contradict the lies the criminals under the command of a police inspector named James Burke cooked up lies for criminals to tell.

so you will forgive me if I have a problem with the credibility of some of your command staff. I've been there and seen that.

some of you are nothing but a bunch of kool-aid morons.

Ask around at the 3rd. Ask who those three cops were at the court and got frightened not to open thr mouths about the lies they heard a POS LT of Police tell at the trial.

[Achilles]

LET me tell you something sonny. I personally witnessed one of the biggest abominations I ever seen. I saw one of those precious fellows in the Ivory Tower perjure himself on the stand to sink a cop. He says three cops in the courtroom that he supervised years back. They hear his lies and they are shocked. They came into the courtroom totally unbiased and not with much of an opinion. The POS chased them out into the hallway. He didn't want them going back to the troops to tell the rest of the guys the crap they were hearing over the past two years was just that: crap and a railroad job. that POS LT got the PC to have them write him an explanation why they went to the court. It was to intimidate. Period. The other POS's the PBA signed off on it after the PC called them for permission so as not to start a war.

I saw those POS's you think are noble and just tear apart a retired LT who came into the court for the defense. He had no agenda. Made no remarkss of the character of the cop on trial. And gave no opinions if the cop did or did not commit the crimes charged. They, and I mean the SCPD opened up the IAB files going back almost 30 years to take out snippets of crap. But they didn't open up the IAB file of that POS who testified although in 1992 he had 18 complaints allegedly lodged against him and his partner.

I saw a sergeant get on the stand who was a cop with the cop charged. All he tesitified to was he heard a call from the cop to back him up on a summons. Saw the cop. He said he had no reason to believe it didn't happen. He just didn't have an independant recollection of the event as it was a non event. Your wonderful, non vicious of 'honorable' cops allowed this fine young man, now a sergeant to be made to look like a fool and a criminal covering up for his 'friend'. The SOBS even compared him to a POS and told the jury this professional taking down more than 100K a year couldn't remember that evening and the POS motorist who testified remembered everything. Yeah, they were so concerned about what the sergeant had to say they NEVER interviewed him for two years when he was a potential witness to the crime charged. That was because his testimony would contradict the lies the criminals under the command of a police inspector named James Burke cooked up lies for criminals to tell.

so you will forgive me if I have a problem with the credibility of some of your command staff. I've been there and seen that.

some of you are nothing but a bunch of kool-aid morons.

Ask around at the 3rd. Ask who those three cops were at the court and got frightened not to open thr mouths about the lies they heard a POS LT of Police tell at the trial.


Give it up will ya. Ray is a criminal, he got what he deserved.

[still guessing]

Yup thats your agenda, so you see "them" suspend a bad cop and try to make these "them" bad too like you wish us to believe in your case. Look we've all heard your agenda here, just like you'd like us to respect you and your version of what happened in that case, why dont you try doing the same here....and please dont condescend, I'm not sonny...I'm 43 years old and been a cop for 18 years. I wasnt there, I've listen to both versions of reality and came up with my own opinion, for what its worth...nothing, the jury found him guilty. Well you arent here, you didnt work with this lt, and do not know much other then what you've read in newrag and whats been lightly touched on here. The original post stated "suffolk cop suspended for speaking out about " Well that was horseshit he was suspended for not doing his job and spending all day on the computer, for the past 6 months plus, tell me what job on this planet wouldnt suspend you for that?

In one of your grasping for straws posts you claim they went after him for one reason and got him for another. He was bng looked at for his squad falling apart, and they found amongst other things; he was using the counties computer to play fantasy baseball, etc. and failing to perform the duties of a lt. Monitor the activity of his squad, including the sgts, which details him logging into the scpd intranet and checking via gps the activity of several units 4-5 times a tour, most of the required reports, the patrol that a lt does....he is required to patrol yes, there are vunerable entities checks, etc that are required.
you stated lts do not do much, but that isnt true out here. Many, many lts show up on assists and when sgts call in sick, act the same as a sgt scratching memo books, and since they are assigned a taser, assist on possible uses of force.
This lt was not leaving his office and spending most of his time surfing the web. His squad was falling apart around him, you dont see a problem with that? You feel those issues are unrelated?
You have a problem with certain members of scpd fine, take it up with them, dont go on witch hunts and make excuses for a bad cop getting busted, where you barely know anything.
YOU ask around the 6th, hell you ask around the 3rd, as this lt had messed with some of them, despite not bng thr immediate boss. you'll find out scpd did the right thing, its just a shame it took 20 years.

[Unregistered848485733]

I am 66, and you, happily are only 43 - enjoy it. As you get older there are less and less older than you who will call you "kid".

What I saw in the case that prompts me to write about the case of the suspension of the LT, has given me every reason to believe that anythiing certain members of SCPD do should be questioned.

I don't have a problem with much of what you guys do. I enjoy the fact you guys make a very decent pay and are treated like cops should be treated.

Don't care if you hang out in a Firehouse or a Whore House - just as long as you come when I need you.

Want to run a private business on the side? OK with me. Do it on company time or take a little advantage of your position? Fine.

Bust in on a drug dealers house and find nothing but a bag full of money - GREAAAAAT, when you are lying on a rubber raft in the middle of the Caribbean, have one for me.

You have to write a certain number of tickets - fine. That is the game.

Do anything you want. BUT DON'T be so stupid as to be floating on that raft when you can't swim and try to see what will happen if you poke some holes in it. Enjoy the sun and the water. This is what a VERY FEW corrupt members of your Department have done : They partied into the early mornings. Had thr fun, made some money, and some of them did some crimes before and during thr time as cops. Want to make a few bucks letting a bad guy go or throwing a case? That's your problem if you get caught. It's on your conscience if the person you let go kills someone, or worse, a cop.

BUT when you frame a man of a crime he didn't do, a crime you know he didn't do, and you follow the orders of your superiors like a SS Officer, simply because you are ther punishing the guy, or you need to prosecute the guy to save your own ass - then that is something I can't accept.

I wouldn't accept it even if they did it to a John Gotti. You get him right or you don't get him at all. And I sure won't accept it when it is an innocent person. And make that triple if I happen to know that person.

You guys, run of the mill hard working Joes don't have a clue as to the EVIL that is around you. Not much, but enough to tarnish all the badges of a lot of good cops for the acts of a few.

[smarter then who?]

Guess where it will go... nowhere. Good for you for wasting 2 minutes of your life (in addition to the countless days you've wasted posting nonsense).
The ultimate troll, how does it feel? Banished due to bng lowlife trash???

[still guessing]

I am 66, and you, happily are only 43 - enjoy it. As you get older there are less and less older than you who will call you "kid".

What I saw in the case that prompts me to write about the case of the suspension of the LT, has given me every reason to believe that anythiing certain members of SCPD do should be questioned.

I don't have a problem with much of what you guys do. I enjoy the fact you guys make a very decent pay and are treated like cops should be treated.

Don't care if you hang out in a Firehouse or a Whore House - just as long as you come when I need you.

Want to run a private business on the side? OK with me. Do it on company time or take a little advantage of your position? Fine.

Bust in on a drug dealers house and find nothing but a bag full of money - GREAAAAAT, when you are lying on a rubber raft in the middle of the Caribbean, have one for me.

You have to write a certain number of tickets - fine. That is the game.

Do anything you want. BUT DON'T be so stupid as to be floating on that raft when you can't swim and try to see what will happen if you poke some holes in it. Enjoy the sun and the water. This is what a VERY FEW corrupt members of your Department have done : They partied into the early mornings. Had thr fun, made some money, and some of them did some crimes before and during thr time as cops. Want to make a few bucks letting a bad guy go or throwing a case? That's your problem if you get caught. It's on your conscience if the person you let go kills someone, or worse, a cop.

BUT when you frame a man of a crime he didn't do, a crime you know he didn't do, and you follow the orders of your superiors like a SS Officer, simply because you are ther punishing the guy, or you need to prosecute the guy to save your own ass - then that is something I can't accept.

I wouldn't accept it even if they did it to a John Gotti. You get him right or you don't get him at all. And I sure won't accept it when it is an innocent person. And make that triple if I happen to know that person.

You guys, run of the mill hard working Joes don't have a clue as to the EVIL that is around you. Not much, but enough to tarnish all the badges of a lot of good cops for the acts of a few.

Ok, but you really didnt see anything, you read a blurb in newsday, which hardly scratched the surface of what kind of lt this was. I dont know where you get that we arent aware fo whats going on in our own dept. And I'll tell you, the lt in question was among them, the ia and 6th admin did the right thing here. As far as tarnished badges...wrong. You do something wrong, you stand on your own, I dont look down at the nypd because every couple weeks someone is arrested or suspended. Its the singular or couple of cops who acted improperly who tarnished thr own badges. Now when you are talking about cops who are more politicians then cops, you cant even put them in cop category.

[Unregistered5695567]

Believe it or not, I have no beefs with the many fine men and woman of the SCPD. I only have a beef with a very few who have contaminated the entire force with thr treachery.

When a cop is arrested or jammed up in any police department I give them the benefit of the doubt until I can no longer do so.

At times even the best of cops go over the line. I can understand how that can happen. I have no problem with that. I have no problem with how much you get paid. I support a living wage for cops no matter where they work. A decent pay and decent working conditions, and the support of the public and the politicians is what cops need to do thr job effectively.

What is sad that whenever I am forced to travel into Suffolk County and see one of your police cars on the road I cringe. That wouldn't stop me from getting out of the car if I thought the cop was in trouble, even if it put my life in danger. If I saw a cop doing something wrong, or something that could lead to a complaint, I would be there to support them.

Am I 'guessing' what actually happened to the LT? Of course I am. From what I see is that he is a person who doesn't enjoy the support of his fellow officers and that made him vulnerable to attack by those he has annoyed throughout the years. That is the way I see it. They have done it before, and they will do it again.

I have never dreamed that one day the time would have come that I would be posting messages on a public board that would be so critical of any police force.

I don't dismiss your posts as bng insincere. I just think you may be just be getting it wrong sometimes.

The JOB is tough enough to be making it tougher and appear to have some enjoy the misery of others.

[Unregis]

Am I 'guessing' what actually happened to the LT? Of course I am. From what I see is that he is a person who doesn't enjoy the support of his fellow officers and that made him vulnerable to attack by those he has annoyed throughout the years. That is the way I see it. They have done it before, and they will do it again.

I have never dreamed that one day the time would have come that I would be posting messages on a public board that would be so critical of any police force.

I don't dismiss your posts as bng insincere. I just think you may be just be getting it wrong sometimes.

The JOB is tough enough to be making it tougher and appear to have some enjoy the misery of others.
but thats where you are wrong, the people who disciplined the lt are the same people who defended him when complaints from the pba came in. They never attacked him. He was part of them, not the rank and file. The last thing they wanted to do was bury him, but he forced thr hand. I cant say that enough, the same white shirts that he spent lunch with, are the same who were forced to suspend him
I am not getting it wrong, I think I have a very good understanding of what happened, and in far greater detail then I could elaborate on. This thread has been wrong and dramatic from the 1st post. I think it was posted here for dramas effect, 6th pct Lt suspended for speaking out about Tankleff. Now Spota must be getting nervous!! and is complete horseshit, you dont abuse the position as long as he did, drag a enitre squad of good cops, make that two entire squads into the mire...and walk out of a meeting with chiefs, inspectors and iab telling them to put up or shut up and not get spanked. It has happened dozens of times to better cops then he.
Thats the part not in here, the part where they asked him to man up to his violations and accept thr punishment. It wasnt a month, it was less then a week I believe. You dont know that, you can babble about the ivory tower and everything else, but the facts are quite different. He escalated the issue, and he needed to be taught a lesson. I dont think you'd find one cop thats worked with or for him that wouldnt agree he didnt even get whats coming to him, but if you talk to his peers or superior officers they'll all tell you the same, he should have stopped when warned months ago, and when he was offered a slap on the wrist he should have taken it.

[Unregistered485866]

I HAVE read your posts and they have been duly noted. You sound like you know of what you speak. But I have personally witnessed a very ugly side of your department and I do know what I am talking about regarding that other matter. All I have gotten gotten in return from my many posts is nasty remarks without any contradictions as to the facts I had set forth. NOT ONCE! AND trust me I have posted MANY MANY posts and only got back some of the viciousness I have seen regarding the LT.

I do thank you for the time you spent trying to make the record clear.

[Unregistered777576483]

As it appears that you folks are seasoned police officers I ask you to read the following information and answer the questions I will pose to you as honest and truthfully as you can. As most of you know I have been posting about the LT because I have another ax to grind.

Kindly answer these simple and direct questions ONLY. any other non evidentary opinions you may have can wait until you answer the questions. I expect the usual responses from the usual people who tell me I am beating a dead horse, etc.,


1. You are a police officer who is giving a summons to a motorist only one block out of your sector. There is another police officer with you as a back-up, a back-up that you have requested.
2. You hear a call come in for a 10-72 of a King Kullen right across the street from where you are writing the summons. The call is to another car that is told it is a 10-72. The alarm is given as an ‘audible only’ nothing more than that.
3. You are finishing up with your summons and about 80 seconds later you tell dispatch that you are finishing up with a V&T, and you will take the call.
4. In about 2M46seconds later you will give it pack as ‘premises appear to be secured’. You have circumvented the building. There is NO alarm ringing that is audible and that was testified to by the building manager who arrived about 45 minutes later. You have seen no evidence of a break or suspicious activity. The doors are completely closed. That is evidenced by a ‘restore’ code that can only be generated if the two contacts on the door is met when that door is closed.
5. There is NO one in the building at this time as evidenced by a lack of motion detectors in the store that have not been triggered by movement of an attempt to open the safe.
6. When the manager arrives he will find no evidence of a break from what he sees of the doors and the condition of the windows. He will testify to that in court.
7. The cop will put himself ‘36’ on the scene and give it back as ‘premises secured’ only seconds after he gives the ‘36’. That doesn’t mean he gave it a 36 when he arrived.
8. At 1 44 29 another radio transmission has been put over the air that the alarm is ringing at the store. The other officer who recved it the first time will take it for the second time.
9. The officer who took the call the first time will get on the air 9mins later and advise the officer who has yet to respond that it all appears secure, and this time he will ask where are the alarms coming from this time. He will get more of the same.


10. He will wait the 6 or 7 minutes for the manager to come and he will tell dispatch that he is going to do a walk-thru with the manager.
11. Between the times he gives back the second call to advise the other car to ‘disregard’ the ‘premises appear to be secured, he will recve an advisement from dispatch that there is now a silent hold-up and a fire alarm bng transmitted from the building.
12. At about 200AM he will enter the building with the manager and will find the alarm box inside torn off the wall. He will get on the air and ask for back-up.

QUESTIONS TO THE FACTS I HAVE LISTED IN THE ABOVE ORDER I HAVE PRESENTED THEM:

Q1 – What is so odd about issuing a summons for one headlight out only one block out of your sector? Why would a police officer about to engage as a lookout for a burglary team invite another police officer to be with him when he was so engaging?

Q2 – The alarm was given out as ‘audible’ when in fact it was silent. Hearing no alarm would it tend to make the officer believe that there is no burglary in progress even before he inspects the building? It is a stated fact of the SCPD that 99% of 10-72’s are false alarms. Would that tend to place an officer in a place where he would tend to believe this was no more than another false alarm of more than 100,000 such alarms transmitted in Suffolk County each year?

Q3 – If you were supposed to ‘guarantee’ taking the call when it came in that wasn’t in your sector would you wait 80 seconds before advising the car that took the call and accepted it?

Q4 - Is 2mins46seconds too short a time to give it back as ‘premises appear to be secured’ after you were only across the street when the call came in at about 1:11, and bng in close enough proximity to the store that you would hear no audible alarm? That now raises the time to more than 4 minutes.

Q5- As there was no burglars in the building as evidenced by the lack of motion detectors and there are no breaks to be seen, also evidenced by the clear record of the alarm reports, would you tend to believe that the officer had more than enough information to put it back as he did?

Q6- see Q5 above.

Q7 – is it unusual that a police officer arriving on the scene of a 10-72 not give it back as a ‘36’ the instant they arrive. Is two minutes sufficient amount of time that he was actually on the scene out of the ordinary?

Q8 – See Q9 below.

Q9 - If a police officer was engaged as a look-out for a team of burglars who were drilling open a safe and he heard another car taking the call would that police officer wait 9 MINUTES before calling off the car? Why would he not do that in less than 30 seconds as he could be caught and his burglar accomplices be caught if the car assigned arrived, or any other car arrived as a back-up as this was now the second call?

Q10 – If the officer was placing a civilian in peril and he said it over the air and a supervisor who would testify at trial that the officer did place the civilian in jeopardy heard his message, would the supervisor be expected to advise the officer to stand-by until back-up arrive and so order it of the other sector cars in the area?

Q11- After the silent hold –up advisement was put over the air the car who was assigned the call would state over the air: “You got that one Ray, I am going to take the other one that is mine. Thanks” Does that sound like information going over the air that all the other sector cars and the supervisor heard gave them cause for alarm that there was a burglary in progress, or at l a past burglary?

Q12- When the call was put over the air that the alarm box had been tampered with and the wires were cut it was then, and ONLY then did the supervisor, the assigned car, and two other cars arrived without further prompting.

LT.HICKEY: then Sergeant Hickey, patrol supervisor who responded to the call would testify at trial of his flawless recollection of the events of that evening, although he told a detective that was noted in the detective’s notebook only four months earlier that he had NO RECOLLECTION OF THE INCIDENT (bold letters as per the notation)

Lt. Hickey would testify that the cop failed to do his duty in furtherance of his scheme to protect his burglar accomplices. He testified to the following of what he purported to be intentional avoidance of the cop’s police duties by stating the following:

A. Judging from what he (the LT heard on the radio) heard on the radio and what the cop heard, the cop should have called for back-up immediately.
B. He should have called for K-9 immediately. The K-9 officer who obviously monitoring the radio for possible burglaries only enters the radio transmission AFTER she hears the wires had been cut. She cuts in without a request because she now realizes her services and the services of her trusted K-9 partner are needed at the scene.
C. The cop should have set up a perimeter.
D. He should have considered calling Aviation.
E. He should have climbed on the roof to look for a break.
F. He should have shut off his car and listened to the door for sounds of high drilling noise from inside the store.
G. He should have never placed the manager in peril by allowing him to go into the store with him even though there was NO evidence of a break.
H. The supervisor did not tell his subordinate NOT to enter the store with the manager even though he said he was suspicious of what he was hearing on the air and was proceeding to the location to take a look.
I. No other cars numbering more than 25 would think it was necessary to back up this officer on a 10-72 until it was confirmed a burglary had actually occurred. What is so criminally apparent with the actions of the officer?

The Lieutenant was so concerned with the alleged malfeasance of this officer that he had only 4 one line entries in his memo book for the entire evening : On duty – at the scene of KK – 4:00AM to the first precinct until 6AM without further explanation – 6AM at the 1st precinct end of tour 8am.

He was in the precinct for more than two hours and he showed no concern that the officer screwed up as there are no reports to the Tour Commander. Nor are there any entries in his memo book that he addressed this matter with the officer.

The three officers who happened to be in the court and heard his testimony were followed out of the courtroom and screamed at by the LT for bng there. The next day they were ordered to explain to the police commissioner with a written report why they were there.

So if you would kindly answer these questions in a fair and honest manner, I will appreciate it. That is if you are not afraid to agree with my serious questions suggesting perjury and that you will be identified and punished as Lt.Smith has been when his computer activity was scrutinized.

[LOL!LOL!]

The ultimate troll, how does it feel? Banished due to bng lowlife trash???you know after seng 400 posts a day by 15 different trollsonnas, this one idiot gets his ip banned, all his stupid posts removed, he leaves crying and whining how hes bng censored(probably called his lawyers already,lol) and now...no trolls, coincidence?
doubt it.

[still guessing]

I HAVE read your posts and they have been duly noted. You sound like you know of what you speak. But I have personally witnessed a very ugly side of your department and I do know what I am talking about regarding that other matter. All I have gotten gotten in return from my many posts is nasty remarks without any contradictions as to the facts I had set forth. NOT ONCE! AND trust me I have posted MANY MANY posts and only got back some of the viciousness I have seen regarding the LT.

I do thank you for the time you spent trying to make the record clear.There are bad sides to every political entity, which includes every police dept, once you are a political figure as opposed to a cop of some sort, things change. Scpd is no different then nypd or atlanta pd or any other dept.

[John Corey]

Hey Pete, they should have told Hickey to shut the f'k up.They have a right to attend ANY criminal trial...especially on thr day off.

[Unregistered5667855]

Hey Pete, they should have told Hickey to shut the f'k up.They have a right to attend ANY criminal trial...especially on thr day off.


Hickey is a first class pr--k and a liar. As I said they got the other idiot Dormer to order them to write a letter. Dormer, I am told cleared it with the PBA first. More POS allowing him to do that without complaint.

those three guys came in and sat on our side. Honestly, they came in with no opinion. Truth is I think they leaned to guilty. All they were hearing is the rumors going back and forth. They also heard he knew Careccia to the extent he met him around the single's circuit. Never called him. Never recved a call from him. Never had a drink or broke bread with him. NADA. They had more than a year to step into the SIL with Careccia. anything, however obscure would have done a lot to satisfy me these two guys were hooked up more than a casual hi and bye. NADA.

the three cops said to me" we can to see for ourselves. we hope he didn't do this". What does that tell you? They thought he could be guilty. They didn't come in with Free_Ray Tee shirts. shake his hand, at l not when the jury was around. The jury looked over. I know what they were thinking - were these guys showing support.

what was even more outrageous is when the judge sentenced him he remarked that he former colleauges showed no support. P***K. I wrote that bozo a letter and told him how pissed I was with his grandstanding BS. He sentenced to him to 5 to 15, and he had to give him a lecture too boot. the p***K told our lawyer after he roasted thr 'star witness' on the stand that this isn't the first time the DA sold him a false bill of goods. No, Mr.Corey, you can't make this s**T up.

[Unregistered4475638]

I gave a subpoena to a former cop with the SIL riding in car 308 that night. I gave it to him about a month before the trial because the DA hid his identity from us until he could no longer do so.

They never interviewed him although he was there when the door was opened up and the witness said he saw Ray in the parking lot. Ray was writing a ticket and the informant NEVER entered the store at that time. He went in a half hour later.

The sergeant said our lawyer contacted him and he made an appt to talk to him. I told him NO!, don't go. That is how innocent the cop was. I told him to speak to the SOA first. I knew it guaranteed he would not talk to our lawyer. For what, his testimony was a matter of record. He could say nothing to detract or add from the case. I told him he would be crucified.

The SGT went to the SOA, and the DA used that by suggesting he needed the counsel of an attorney to testify in this case! It was unbelievable. He sure did need counsel for those bastards.

He simply testified that it was his voice on the radio. That is was the Taco Bell. He said he had NO independant recollection of the event 5 years earlier. I would have been shocked if he did as it was a non event.

For that they implied that he and Ray were childhood friends from school. They weren't particularly friendly. They just knew each other. They implied that Ray told him that when I say, "308 switch" he should say, "Is that you Ray behind the Taco Bell."

They implied that he was dumb. He was a trained police officer making a good salary - a professional and he couldn't remember that night when the motorist did remember. Yeah, 5 years ago he remembered the time he got the ticket. and that was a lie conjured up by Det.Lewis for Dan Brosnan to tell at the trial.

Lt. Joe V. all he did was explain procedures of what happens at a 10-72. What a cop could do and couldn't do. He could not guarantee another car would stop by. He couldn't stop a supervisor knowing where he was to come by and give him a scratch. They dragged up his IA file from 30years ago of pretty much nonsense. They even suggested he was a dimwit as he remained in patrol and was not of the same caliber of a DetLT. James Hickey. Hickey even cracked wise on the stand about Joe V not bng the sharpest of cops.

Big tough guys who call themselves cops. Rough and ready. But they are cowards and punks who will see evil and do nothing about it. I have made my case many times over. It can't be denied.

That is why I jumped on board with Lt.Smith. What I saw was a continuing bashing of a guy they didn't much like and was in trouble. Real stand up guys you want with you when the chips are down.

[Unregistered68686868686]

Is those motherf----rs who framed the son in law. No cop did ANYTHING, let alone my SIL. The charges were completely fabricated from a very thin scenario like King Kullen. From that they went into case files and found open cases that they could stick on the SIL: Parsnips, Jiffy Lube, Denise Drive, No.Babylon, Master Concepts, Schmidt's Deli, Radio Ave., Miller Place, and Strathmore Bagels when the SIL was in Spain. That one 'left the building 'before they got to the grand jury. Those scum you call cops, or suggested they are 'politicians' with badges in thr pockets, and not really cops made it ALL up.

Those are the people in the DA office squad you should be angry with that you would form a lynch party and hang all those bastards. They are the ones who charged an innocent man/Suffolk PO of crimes KNOWING he didn't do them. They placed the entire police department in the road of disgrace. Any cop gets charged with any crime and ultimately, sooner or later you will all suffer. They try to put forth the image that they are good guys cleaning up thr own house. IT IS A LIE.

Believe, or don't believe me - it really means nothing to the case. I do get a little satisfaction if I believe I persuaded one unknown person that what I say is true. I hope to convince many others that will one day be able to do something about it.