"THEY ONLY COME HERE TO WORK"

[Billybob]

I get it, ALL illegal immigrants are criminals.

What exactly is the point this is making?
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[steve]

A Westminster police officer fatally shot a prowler after the man - later found to have more than 20 burglary and assault arrests - threatened him with a two-by-four, Denver police said.
Off-duty police officer Karl Scherck fatally shot Sergio Alejandro Medrano, 50, on Monday in the 1400 block of South Lincoln Street in Denver, police spokeswoman Teresa Garcia said.

Scherck confronted Medrano after he saw the man looking into windows and trying to open doors of homes in the area, Garcia said.

Scherck identified himself as a police officer and told Medrano to hold his hands out, but Medrano was "armed with a board, holding it in a threatening manner," Garcia said.

"I'm not going to second-guess the officer," Garcia said. "If I was faced by someone with a two-by- four, I would consider it a lethal weapon."


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The Denver Police Department is investigating the shooting and will refer the case to the Denver district attorney's office, Garcia said.

Westminster Police Chief Dan Montgomery said his office will review the investigative report and decide whether administrative measures are necessary.

Scherck is on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the review.

According to court records, Medrano had a lengthy criminal record, including numerous arrests for assault, kidnapping and burglary dating to the 1970s. In 1988, he was sentenced to two years in prison for a fraud conviction. In 1994, he was sentenced to six years on a burglary conviction.

The undocumented immigrant was repeatedly deported to Mexico but continually returned to the United States, according to court records.

Medrano's stepmother, Estella Medrano, said her husband had a hard time raising Sergio. "He had a bad life. He was a terrible person," she said. "I knew he was going to die like this because he is in trouble all of the time."

Estella Medrano said that even though Sergio was homeless, his father, two brothers and two sisters refused to let him stay with them.

Scherck, who has been involved in two fatal shootings this year, is a good cop, Montgomery said.

"When you've got good street sense and good street savvy, those kind of situations tend to light up your radar screen more than the radar screen of a green rookie," he said of Scherck's awareness in spotting the prowler. "You couple that with the luck of the draw. Good cops get involved in stuff."

In the first fatal shooting involving Scherck, Michael Grimaldo on April 25 drove his van directly at Westminster police officer Christopher Mace. Mace shot three times from close range, injuring Grimaldo, according to a report by Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter.

Grimaldo drove off, but Scherck tracked him down and fired three shots at Grimaldo as he appeared to lunge for something next to him, according to Ritter's report.

Ritter concluded that Scherck and Mace were justified in the shootings.

Scherck, who has been in law enforcement for 20 years, joined the Westminster police force in March 2002.



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[Billybob]

Well, let's change the laws then, aye?

I've had enough of people bng pushed around and persecuted because of the laws we make up. Therefore, if it was no longer against the law, then they wouldn't be criminals, unless you think Mexican people are somehow inferior, and prone to destroy our culture.

A bigger threat to American jobs is our own corporations moving thr operations overseas (despite record profits, in some cases), for cheaper labor. That forces Americans to take lower paying jobs to compete. And then there are the thousands of companies who intentionally employ illegal immigrants because they'll take a MUCH lower pay and not complain (for fear of bng taken by the INS).

It seems that the only solution conservatives can come up with is to punish the people who are the l able to defend themselves (immigrants). They don't know the legal system, and they also have virtually no rights. Why not punish the companies that employ them, as well as the ones who move thr business overseas. That, I promise you, is a much bigger threat to America's economy.
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[Reality]

I agree with you when you state that the companies that employ illegals should be punished as well. Companies that knowingly employ illegals should at l be fined heavily to send a message that thr actions are illegal and contrary to the interests of America. When they employ illegals they encourage more and more people to enter this country illegally, thereby putting a huge strain on already overburdened taxpayers.

When you say we should eliminate immigration laws, then I must question what country you're from. Imagine if there were no restrictions on immigration how many people would flock here from third world countries with the expectation that they will be fed, housed, educated, and given free legal representation and medical care. Not to mention the terrorists who will undoubtedly take the opportunity to infiltrate our country.

You don't really see this problem in other countries, because they enforce thr immigration laws to protect thr citizens. This is something our government has been ignoring for quite some time, and it is now quickly becoming a crisis.

BillyBob, your heart may be in the right place, but with all due respect, your head is firmly emplanted in a deep, dark orifice.
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[Billybob]

Actually, I wouldn't illiminate immigration laws. I was just pointing out that those people would cease to be "criminals" if we removed the laws. People tend to forget that WE make the rules. If a group of people (and a large one at that) are hurting because of a particular law, it can be changed!
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[Nattydread]

It is so convnent to refer to laws that works in your favor. It is incidious hearing some people quote these laws as if it cannot change, as if it is some how like gravity..a law of nature we cannot change.

I hope those same people take comfort in the laws that are built by powerfull lobbyist that ensnares and choke the very life out of the LAW abiding Americans! Because I can tell you that many of these laws in the financial industry punishes those who tries to follow them more than anyone else!

Ever wonder why you have to opt-out of something you never opt-in for?

Ever wonder why its much easier for the crook to steal your identity than for you to clear your name? You ask anyone who's ever been in that position and they'll tell you thr creditor's, the banks and credit card companies all know you were scammed but the law prevents them from letting you off the hook! At l without exacting some penalty!

I've made a mistake once paying a bill with my credit card (only took a phone call). Between the credit card company and the retailer it was hell getting back my money. The funny thing was they both acwknowledge that it was a mistake..but to put the money back took months plus several written letters to the credit card company. We can launch satellite in space but god help us if we have to rmburse a customer...THATS NOT SO EASY BECAUSE OF THE FU#kING LAW!
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[ACELAW]

They pay more in taxes than they recve in services (or do they?)
By Mark Andrew Dwyer

Alamance Independent
www.alamancnd.com/edito...or_13.html
February 23, 2003

The United States offers its residents a variety of valuable benefits, such as high standard of living, social and medical security net, high quality (although expensive) education, an access to state-of-the-art technology and infrastructure, stable currency, and an unparalleled safety from both forgn and domestic threats.

In today's struggling and dangerous world, all these benefits are rarities and they don't come cheap. It takes money to live in America and one needs a handsome income in order to afford it. Even if offered a wage of twelve dollars per hour, a vast majority of five million+ (and still coming) illegal immigrants from Mexico have practically no chance to earn enough to cover these costs for themselves and thr dependents.

And thr high fertility rates multiply thr income deficiency, thus making the imbalance between what they contribute and what they recve even worse.

As a result, by thr mere presence in this country, they slow down the economic progress and negatively impact the quality of governmental services and the living standard of all those Americans who don't profit directly from thr "cheap" labor.

Here are the details.

President Bush's recent $2.3 trillion budget proposal, if approved by the U.S. Congress, would levy a $7,000 a year average tax burden on each American resident, including the elderly and the new-born babies.

This is the per capita cost of having the federal government, without which there would be no United States of America as we know it, and of enjoying government services that benefit all those who reside in this country. In other words, for a family of six (quite a popular model among the five million+ illegal immigrants [illegal aliens] of Mexican ancestry), the Feds need to collect roughly $42,000 a year in federal tax just to break even.

Now, are you telling me that an illegal alien who has to feed his wife and four children is paying 42 grand to the IRS? I don't think so.

If an immigrant family pays less in federal taxes than thr fair share ($7,000 a year per a family member) then it means that they recve more in federal services than they pay for, even if they don't collect welfare checks or other forms of federal assistance.

And this imbalance does not even account for other benefits, not bng paid for by the federal government, that the illegal immigrants [illegal aliens] are drawing from America's wealth.

They use the existing infrastructure they haven't built. They benefit from living in a functional and well-organized country that took two hundred years of hard work and ingenuity of previous generations of Americans to build and improve.

They profit from strong American economy and low price consumer market that they did not create. On the top of that, they pay no sales tax in America on part of the money they earn here but send back to Mexico (or whatever countries of thr origin might be).

And by living in overcrowded low-cost dwellings, they don't pay enough per capita property taxes to offset the cost of local services they and thr numerous children claim and recve.

To make things even worse, they usually have no health insurance, which translates onto hundreds of millions of dollars they draw each year from American public health care system.

Here is more bad news.

In State of California, which absorbs the biggest share of mass Mexican illegal immigration, the average tax burden is substantially higher than in the rest of the U.S. Governor's Davis'es budget 2003-04 proposal calls for total spending of over $96.4 billion (or about $2,750 per resident a year), roughly $33.6 billion of which is supposed to come from California personal income tax.

If approved, it would levy about $1,000 a year of state income tax average burden on each resident of California (which is only about one third of $2,750 that the state will spend for the benefit of average resident), or about $6,000 a year per family of six.

This, combined with the above $42,000 federal tax figure, yields $48,000 a year (or $8,000 per family member) that an illegal immigrant family [illegal aliens] of six living in California has to pay in state and federal income taxes alone in order to be not considered a burden for the society.

Well, it takes two people working 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year for $12 an hour (which is quite high a wage for a "cheap" laborer), to make $48,000 a year (2 x 40 x 50 x 12 dollars).

So, even if both parents in a family of six work full time, there is absolutely no way how they could pay thr fair share of the tax burden (48 grand a year), and then you and I have to pick up the hefty tab. Think about these facts before repeating the open border lobby mantra that the immigrants [illegal aliens] pay more in taxes than they recve in services. (And remember that the open border lobby "tactfully" keeps quiet about the alarming rate at which the quickly growing population of illegal immigrants [illegal aliens] uses up our limited natural resources and contributes to pollution, deterioration of the environment, green house effect, global warming, etc.)

Here is the conclusion.

We, the majority of American taxpayers are bng soaked big time so that the farm and meat packing plant owners can profit handsomely from thr "cheap" laborers. And the suckers want to make us believe that it's for our benefit. So, call your U.S. representatives today. Tell them to seal our Southern border and to put mass illegal immigration to stop.

It's time for the American nation to halt the importation of families who cannot or are not willing to pay thr fair share of state and federal income taxes (a minimum of $8,000 per family member per year, that is).

If it were my call then I would also suggest adding an IQ test as a requirement for admission, with a passing score of 98 (a national average). And if the prospective immigrants have a problem with any of these, they always have a choice to stay where they are.

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"The net cost of immigration is $70 billion a year." - George Borjas, Harvard professor. 2002 "Immigration is estimated to cost Californians $1,300 per household annually in additional taxes." -- Costly immigration, Paul Craig Roberts


"Immigration costs U.S. born workers $133 billion a year in job losses." - Economics professor George Borjas


Overall, migrants from around the world send $30 billion to relatives back home. $23 billion last year to Latin America and the Caribbean. $10 billion was sent home to Mexico alone. Filipino workers send $6 billion a year and 10,000 cash transfers are sent to China each month, averaging $2,000 to $3,000 each.

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