Village Police

[Andy&Barney]

Do we really need Village police? Will they come into question with the Spitzer report in April? Do they really make as much as Ive heard with far less work and danger?

Thoughts?

[comdot]

Do we really need Village police? Will they come into question with the Spitzer report in April? Do they really make as much as Ive heard with far less work and danger?

Thoughts?

do we really need the nassau county highway patrol ? let the state take over the policing of the long island expressway ,seaford oysterbay xpressway as well as policing of the nassau coliseum ,as a result less nassau police ,how about eliminating the motor cycle police ,its mostly a ceremonial proceedure tht csts millions

[Winston Smith]

Do we really need Village police? Will they come into question with the Spitzer report in April? Do they really make as much as Ive heard with far less work and danger?

Thoughts?


I think it's more a question of want than need. Do village PD's recve support from any sources other than village taxes? I don't know for sure, but I would think not. Most, if not all, residents of incorporated villages moved into thr nghborhoods knowing full well they were assuming an additional village property tax bill that pays for a village PD, among other services. And they were OK with it at the time, otherwise they wouldn't have. So the primary reason village PD's exist would seem to be that the majority of village residents want them. Are they necessary? That's kind of a chicken / egg question. If a village has a lower crime rate than surrounding unincorporated communities, one might argue the village PD is not needed. On the other hand, it'd be foolhardy to assume that without addressing the possibility that the lower crime rate is so because of the village PD presence.

In terms of thr pay to risk ratio, you could argue it's high compared to NYC and county departments, but the blame for that belongs to village adminstrators with weak negotiation skills at the collective bargaining table. And maybe it does come back down to the residents, especially if they continue to vote the same inept management back in election after election. Proof to the old saw that you get the government you deserve.

[wonderboy]

I think it's more a question of want than need. Do village PD's recve support from any sources other than village taxes? I don't know for sure, but I would think not. Most, if not all, residents of incorporated villages moved into thr nghborhoods knowing full well they were assuming an additional village property tax bill that pays for a village PD, among other services. And they were OK with it at the time, otherwise they wouldn't have. So the primary reason village PD's exist would seem to be that the majority of village residents want them. Are they necessary? That's kind of a chicken / egg question. If a village has a lower crime rate than surrounding unincorporated communities, one might argue the village PD is not needed. On the other hand, it'd be foolhardy to assume that without addressing the possibility that the lower crime rate is so because of the village PD presence.

In terms of thr pay to risk ratio, you could argue it's high compared to NYC and county departments, but the blame for that belongs to village adminstrators with weak negotiation skills at the collective bargaining table. And maybe it does come back down to the residents, especially if they continue to vote the same inept management back in election after election. Proof to the old saw that you get the government you deserve.

Nice..finally and intelligent post on here. The people who complain about village and town police are the ones that don't live there or else they are angry because some sort of enforcement action was taken against them and they didn't like it. A cursory exam of police departments will show that close to 90% of the departments in the United States have less than fifty members. Outside of our areas there are two kinds of police, the towns/villages and then state police or occasionally sheriffs. We are lucky ( or cursed depending on your view) with having a county police department, which is unheard of in most of the states. It is a little difficult to put down a village or town guy who patrols one side of a street and praise the county cops watching over the other side and say one side has the real police and the other is barny, is one side worse? possibly but the reality is aside from several purely residential very rich areas they are all doing the same job.

[Tom1973]

Do they really make as much as Ive heard with far less work and danger??

Tom Suozzi and Steve Levy make much more for doing nothing.

[Unregistered1974]

Now Tom you know that is not true. Suoz and Levy #s that we see are what they make no other perks except a car and health benis.

The PO's public base pay is laughable compared to what thr w2 says after the year is over. Try at l 35%-70% depending on the officer. I'll take that instead of driving the LIE or riding the LIRR with a lot more education and lest $$$ and the ability to be downsized at will.

[Jason Keeley, resident]

Now Tom you know that is not true. Suoz and Levy #s that we see are what they make no other perks except a car and health benis.

The PO's public base pay is laughable compared to what thr w2 says after the year is over. Try at l 35%-70% depending on the officer. I'll take that instead of driving the LIE or riding the LIRR with a lot more education and lest $$$ and the ability to be downsized at will.You are very correct. The fact of the matter is the NCPD and SCPD are grossly overpaid and it's a burden the residents of Nassau and Suffolk can no longer handle. In the private sector, health benefits are no longer 100% employer paid. Why does it remain this way in Nassau and Suffolk? In the private sector, pensions (defined benefit) are no longer given. Defined contribution is the retirement vehicle of choice because business can't afford it. Why do we residents of LI have to carry this burden? I don't live on Long Island to make the police rich. When is enough going to be enough Tom Suozzi and Steve Levy? Time to put the police in thr place, they are endangering the welfare of Long Island.

[teacherssuck]

You can get mad at cops all you want but its the schools that are hammering us with taxes. If you own a home look at your property tax bill, its not the cops that are putting you in the poor house but instead members of the greatest part time job ever devised.....the long island teacher. They have a weapon more powerful than anything a cop or anyone else has. If they feel they are against a wall they merely shout out " its for the children" and magically the opposition goes away. I know its easier to be mad at the cop making good money because he gives you a ticket but next time you see a teacher remember if they taught two classes today to our little darlings it was probably a miracle.

[smarter_than_U]

You can get mad at cops all you want but its the schools that are hammering us with taxes. If you own a home look at your property tax bill, its not the cops that are putting you in the poor house but instead members of the greatest part time job ever devised.....the long island teacher. They have a weapon more powerful than anything a cop or anyone else has. If they feel they are against a wall they merely shout out " its for the children" and magically the opposition goes away. I know its easier to be mad at the cop making good money because he gives you a ticket but next time you see a teacher remember if they taught two classes today to our little darlings it was probably a miracle.The cops work just as little as the teachers... see this editorial by Tom Suozzi quoting the average # of weeks a NCPD PO works is 40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/opinion/nyregionopinions/29LI-Suozzi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin). They also make more than the teachers, substantially more. The teachers have a direct involvement with my kids. The cops write out tickets. You can get any idiot to write out a ticket or an accident report. The NYPD does it for 40% less. You can't get any idiot to be a good teacher, that's why I don't mind paying for the teachers, we are getting quality. The NCPD has a country club job in a county without much crime. It's time for them to pay a massive pay cut.

[fourty per??]

The cops work just as little as the teachers... see this editorial by Tom Suozzi quoting the average # of weeks a NCPD PO works is 40 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/29/opinion/nyregionopinions/29LI-Suozzi.html?_r=1&oref=slogin). They also make more than the teachers, substantially more. The teachers have a direct involvement with my kids. The cops write out tickets. You can get any idiot to write out a ticket or an accident report. The NYPD does it for 40% less. You can't get any idiot to be a good teacher, that's why I don't mind paying for the teachers, we are getting quality. The NCPD has a country club job in a county without much crime. It's time for them to pay a massive pay cut.
Where do people come up with these numbers? My husband is in the nypd and makes over 85-90k a year compared to my brother in laws 110k-120k in suffolk. And its not a country club out here, read the paper.
My police taxes are almost reasonable, under 1000, and only slightly more hten my fire dept taxes, 750. My fire dept is also volunteer.????/....My school taxes are 2.5 times my police taxes. Police luckily do not have a direct involvement in my families day to day life!!! If you think writing tickets or accidents is the sum and substance of police work, you ther dont have the foggiest of what police work is, or simply want to demean the police as is your apparent agenda.

[Mayberry]

You miss the point of the initial comment. No one is complaining aabout SC PD. But the Village guys are overpaid for what they do and end up calling in the county on anything substanial. Abolish all of them and give some of the money to the County

[Robert Cronin Sr. 11]

As a senior citizen, I must report that I am very happy with our village police.
If I have a problem they respond rapidly. I can also walk to my police station and get proper service. I don't mind good centralized police service. When I go down here to Florida for the winter the police watch my house and even pick up my newspapers if they are collecting. A small village police department can offer these services. I pay just as much tax for our fire station which is volunteers and just as much for private sanitation pick-up


I DO have a BIG issue with my school taxes and teachers salaries, as well as the bloated budget. When the teachers cry and withhold classroom service from my grandchildren they force my son-in-law and daughter to increase thr school taxes by utilizing a positive vote for the tax increase.

Teachers are only part-time employees dealing with children in a protected environment. The police in my village work all different hours and can get murdered if some individual decides to commit a terrible crime.


You miss the point of the initial comment. No one is complaining aabout SC PD. But the Village guys are overpaid for what they do and end up calling in the county on anything substanial. Abolish all of them and give some of the money to the County

[wonderboy]

You miss the point of the initial comment. No one is complaining aabout SC PD. But the Village guys are overpaid for what they do and end up calling in the county on anything substanial. Abolish all of them and give some of the money to the County


It seems you really don't understand much about policing. Usually when someone wants a village or town police department abolished its more about the fact he got a speeding ticket or a village cop had the audacity to tell that person he couldn't do something. If you don't live in a specific village you aren't paying anything for them so stop your belly aching. Only the residents of the specific town and village can decide to abolish thr police departments. The interesting thing about that is that every normal functioning civilized member of society that lives in an incorporated village wants that department to stay. Just go to work and drive slow and you dont have to worry about the village "overpaid" cops

[mayberry pie]

You miss the point of the initial comment. No one is complaining aabout SC PD. But the Village guys are overpaid for what they do and end up calling in the county on anything substanial. Abolish all of them and give some of the money to the County Its the same, ther a village cop or a county cop. When something of substance occurs, scpd patrol calls the same people the village does. Whats the difference? Village cops make scpd type money, where would be the savings? The only issue I could see is the mgt, chiefs etc.
I agree with the point about taxes, my taxes are a bit over 1000.00..if one thousand dollars is the difference between you staying on L.I. or leaving, well thats rough. But its not out of line with my sanitation, water or fd taxes, and its miniscule compared to school

[Unregisterednypd]

Where do people come up with these numbers? My husband is in the nypd and makes over 85-90k a year compared to my brother in laws 110k-120k in suffolk. And its not a country club out here, read the paper.
My police taxes are almost reasonable, under 1000, and only slightly more hten my fire dept taxes, 750. My fire dept is also volunteer.????/....My school taxes are 2.5 times my police taxes. Police luckily do not have a direct involvement in my families day to day life!!! If you think writing tickets or accidents is the sum and substance of police work, you ther dont have the foggiest of what police work is, or simply want to demean the police as is your apparent agenda.

Your husband is in the NYPD and makes 85-90k a year??? He must pick up a shit load of OT because the top salary for a patrol officer is 68K.

[green grass]

Your husband is in the NYPD and makes 85-90k a year??? He must pick up a shit load of OT because the top salary for a patrol officer is 68K.
Are you a mos? If so you know how it is. Prisoner at Bell vue for the day. No relief due to personnel shortage. Pretty average o/t is 80-85. 2001 many of us hit 110-120.
Whats killing me is my old partner left after a year on nypd went to nyc sanitation and clears 90 every YEAR.

[QWERT]

Do we really need Village police? Will they come into question with the Spitzer report in April? Do they really make as much as Ive heard with far less work and danger?

Thoughts?

Having A Village Police Force Provides Constant
Uniformed Patrol Coverage..... If A Village Pd Is Abolished, The County Pd Will Patrol The Area. The New Sector Car Now Assigned To Patrol The Village Will Not Exclusively Be In The Village Jurisdiction. That Car Can Leave The Area For A Number Of Reasons That Occur Every Day. Backing Up Nghboring Sector Cars... Bng Diverted For The Tour For Special Assignments ..etc. Having A Village Pd Means Having Someone Dedicated Just To Your Village... Addressing Village Problems Without Having Responsibilities To The Entire County. That Is Main Advantage To Having A Village Department.

[REAL HARD WORK]

Where do people come up with these numbers? My husband is in the nypd and makes over 85-90k a year compared to my brother in laws 110k-120k in suffolk. And its not a country club out here, read the paper.
My police taxes are almost reasonable, under 1000, and only slightly more hten my fire dept taxes, 750. My fire dept is also volunteer.????/....My school taxes are 2.5 times my police taxes. Police luckily do not have a direct involvement in my families day to day life!!! If you think writing tickets or accidents is the sum and substance of police work, you ther dont have the foggiest of what police work is, or simply want to demean the police as is your apparent agenda.
EVER SEE THE THUGS AT FIRE ISLAND BEAT UP A POOR DRUNK BAR PATRON- OR A CHILD ON ROLLERBLADES, BETTER YET AN ADULT ON THE BEACH WITH A DRINK { 10-1 - 10-1 ROLL EMERGENCY SERVICES AN FEMALE JUST OPENED A DIET COKE!!!!!!!} NICE HARD WORK I AM SURE THEY ARE WORKING HARD FOR THERE 100K. VILLAGE PDS YEAH!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered.]

EVER SEE THE THUGS AT FIRE ISLAND BEAT UP A POOR DRUNK BAR PATRON- OR A CHILD ON ROLLERBLADES, BETTER YET AN ADULT ON THE BEACH WITH A DRINK { 10-1 - 10-1 ROLL EMERGENCY SERVICES AN FEMALE JUST OPENED A DIET COKE!!!!!!!} NICE HARD WORK I AM SURE THEY ARE WORKING HARD FOR THERE 100K. VILLAGE PDS YEAH!!!!!!!!!






























































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[85 is ok]

Your husband is in the NYPD and makes 85-90k a year??? He must pick up a shit load of OT because the top salary for a patrol officer is 68K.
Its pretty much a given if you work in the city you will be stuck on o/t at l once a week for a tour or two. Your relief doesnt show? Guess who aint going home? If you talk to most guys, there is more madnatory o/t then they'd ever want!!
If you take the test and become a boss, its guaranteed. If you take the test and score 80% or better you pretty much will be made. We dont hurt for money like everyone claims, just horrible work conditions brought on by liberal azz politicians