General Clark: Praise for Bush, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld

[Billybob]

So, he's bad because he spoke well of people you like, 2 years ago?

Well let me tell you something, MY opinions have changed a lot in the last 2 years, watching the disaster that is American forgn policy.

In fact the only people who seldom change thr political minds are Republicans.

May I make a suggestion? If you are trying to be an informed and impartial voter, why don't you go to Wesley Clark's website, read his platform, and make your own decision. Don't rely too much on third parties, especially not extremely right-wing ones like Drudge. Or haven't you noticed the abundance on Ann Coulter books, conservative book club books, Desert Storm hats, Ronald Reagan memorabelia, and George W. Bush coins, all advertized on Drudge?
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[NYIndependence]

According to the Drudge Report, Democratic Presidential Candidate retired General Wesley Clark praised the administration while speaking before Republicans in Little Rock, Arkansas on May 11, 2001. Drudge claims to have video of the following statements from Clark:

"And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there."

"We [the military] were really helped when President Ronald Reagan came in. I remember non-commissioned officers who were going to retire and they re-enlisted because they believed in President Reagan."

"That's the kind of President Ronald Reagan was. He helped our country win the Cold War. He put it behind us in a way no one ever believed would be possible. He was truly a great American leader. And those of us in the Armed Forces loved him, respected him, and tremendously admired him for his great leadership."

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."

"Do you ever ask why it is that these people in these other countries can't solve thr own problems without the United States sending its troops over there? And do you ever ask why it is the Europeans, the people that make the Mercedes and the BMW's that got so much money can't put some of that money in thr own defense programs and they need us to do thr defense for them?"

"And I'll tell you what I've learned from Europe is that are a lot of people out in the world who really, really love and admire the United States. Don't you ever believe it when you hear forgn leaders making nasty comments about us. That's them playing to thr domestic politics as they misread it. Because when you talk to the people out there, they love us. They love our values. They love what we stand for in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights."

www.drudgereport.com/clark.htm

Next November will be interesting, indeed.
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[REBEL]

he changed his mind in 24 hours!!

In Gen. Clark's first 24-hours as a candidate he flip-flopped on whether he would have voted for the Iraq war and sometimes shouted for help from an aide when press questions got even mildly difficult.

Clark was right 2 years ago I might add.

Are all dems who run for office phonies? Hint. Yes.
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[NYIndependence]

How do you know that someone who has built thr political beliefs so hastily in the past will not continue to make rash decisions once elected?
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[WantaghDem]

Really. After all, George HW Bush - in the same week in the summer of 1980, first dismissed Reagan's plan as "voodoo economics" - and then accepted Reagan's offer to be his Vice Presidential candidate! That was probably the most famous, serious, shortest flip flop on record!

But here's where your point may be valid:

When GHWB ran for President, he made his VERY famous NO NEW TAXES "lip" pledge...and then flip-flopped a few months later.

So you see, NYConservative has a point, at l as far as members of the Bush Family are concerned: they can't be trusted!
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[ThatsthewayIseeit]

Wesley Clark, at a conference in California several years ago, threw a temper tantrum so ugly that it "had to be seen to be believed," according to one eyewitness.

The account of Clark's meltdown comes from WABC Radio's Monica Crowley, who attended the event and personally witnessed the future presidential candidate in full hissy-fit mode.

"At the end of the conference, everybody was sort of leaving the hotel and checking out at the same time," Crowley told her audience Wednesday night.

"Clark proceeded to throw a fit that had to be seen to be believed - something about how his luggage was bng handled," she explained.

Crowley said Clark was so "abusive, condescending and mean" to the hotel staff that the conference organizer later felt compelled to apologize on his behalf.

The WABC host allowed that while Clark could have been "having a bad day," there "seems to be a pattern of behavior here that raises questions about his temperament and ability to be a civilian commander in chief."

[ThatsthewayIseeit]

In a recent report Clark's former boss, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton, said Clark had to be relieved of duty as Supreme Allied commander of NATO over "character and integrity issues." Shelton announced that Clark wouldn't get his vote for president.

And there is much, much more. See you later.

[Yonivore]

Hey Billybob, if you go there now, he's devoted some space to Barbra Strsand too. And he doesn't poke fun at her...it's a link to an article she wrote on Big Government.

If you read him frequently you'd realize he makes Conservatives mad too. If it gets people to read his website, he'll put it up. OH, and the advertisement banners are paid advertisement. I bet he'd accept money from a Demoncrat too.

Oh, and regarding lying (to continue a theme from another thread), get a load of this Clark guy. He can't decide which side of his mouth to talk out of. Someone said he was just "joking" when he whined that he'd be a Republican if only Karl Rove had returned his calls...I'm not so sure he was joking. Are you? Sounds to me like he would love to be a Republican if only they'd have him. But, according to former Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he has integrity problem. LOL...to say the l.

And, maybe that's the bottom line with The Drudge Report. There's just more scandals out there involving Demoncrats than Republicans - - so, naturally, it would appear that he is biased towards Republicans. Follow him for a couple of weeks, you'll see. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

You have to get your information about the candidate from the source. What you seem to be doing is reading all the sources that have a vested interest in bashing him. Why not go to his website, or listen to his speeches, and decide for yourself. People are pointing at things he said YEARS ago (before this country kicked into high-facist gear), and saying he's some kind of liar because his answers are different now. Face it, you're just picking on him because you percve him as not bng on your "side". That's a GREAT way to make political choices (sarcasm).

As for Matt Drudge, he's frequently seen hobnobbing with Ann Coulter, and other such conservative whacko voices. He even attended a white house dinner at the request of Karl Rove. If you compare the content of his news site with say Google News, you can see the difference. He's definately a sensationalist, like many news organizations, but his is coming from a decidedly right wing standpoint.

And it's terribly ironic to attempt to pin Clark as a hypocrit, with a man like George W. Bush in office currently.
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[Yonivore]

Billybob,

Drudge's content is, most often, links to the sources.

Are you denying the quotes, attributed to General Clark and posted on the Drudge Report, aren't contradictory to his current statements about the War in Iraq and the Bush Administration?

Because, I'm sure we could mine the internet and find the transcripts from which the quotes came.

But, given two factors, I'm inclined to believe them.

First, Matt Drudge has only been forced to recant one story he posted on his site in the time I've been reading him. It was something about Sidney Blumenthal, I believe.

Second, He is posting quotes, actual verbatim quotes in quotationg marks. These are Drudge characterizations, these are the words that came out of the General's mouth.

So what if he hangs around with Coulter...she's a babe. And, anyway, as I've already stated, I believe him to be more interested in readers than advancing an agenda. He's posted stories critical of President Bush in the past and I suspect he will continue to do so. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Saharasia]

I think we should all wait until some of the Clark hysteria has died down. Of course Republicans are pulling every punch they can to discredit him right away. Some of it may have credence, but isn't it best to wait and see what happens in the next few weeks?

As for the flip flopping of Clark's opinion...I don't see it as comforting that there are all these disparaging viewpoints, but at the same time he has tried to clarify his remarks from the past few days. I'm not so rash that I'm going to make up my mind in the first week after his announcement. Nor am I going to ignore everything he has to say now because of what he might have said in the past. Wait for the media drama to die down and then see where the chips fall.

Should we hold GW to every opinion he has ever espoused? If you think yes, then there's no way you could be against impeachment of the president as he has doubled back on almost every campaign position he supposedly held. I don't see Drudge posting too many negative stories about the ever-changing opinions of our commander in chief. Or, Colin Powell who in Feb. 2001 made a speech in Cairo where he said Saddam Hussn had not restarted weapons programs and was properly contained. I don't see why those of you who are jumping all over Clark for his campaign flip-flop don't see that the bigger more important flip flops are happening at the White House these days. Which should be more important to us at this point?

[NYIndependence]

It is worth noting that Clark's speech was delivered the day after Bush's first round of tax cuts. Today, Clark sings a much different tune and is deriding Bush's economic plan. Joe Lieberman probably put it best when he said "It looks like it is a journey of political convenience, not conviction."
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[WantaghDem]

....what you're saying is - it's not within the realm of your imagination to understand that Clark could have given Bush the benefit of the doubt (especially when Bush was LYING about his tax plan)....only to find out later, when the lies are exposed and the plan has proven to have failed, Clark sees the failure and the lies and calls them as he sees them?

Yeah, you're fair observer, not a rabidly conservative reactionary.

Right,
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[lily]

Just shows Clark was duped like the rest of us I guess. I also believed in Bush and actually voted for Bush. MANY of us did. Clark speaks to those of us who voted for George W. Bush.

[NYIndependence]

If Clark wanted credibility, he would have stayed in the Republican party and criticized President Bush. Instead, he jumped to the Democratic party and is using the policies he once supported as his chance to sze power. That's why I regard his campaign as insincere and opportunistic.
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[kathaksung]

I've said W. Clark is a tool used by insider group to weaken Howard Dean.

Quote, "Clark fired back, saying that when it came time to pick a political party, ``I was going to be ther a very, very lonely Republican or I was going to be a very happy Democrat. ... I'm a new Democrat, and you know what, I'm going to bring a lot of other new Democrats into the party.''"

Read this you will understand the tactic insider group used to exclude thr dislike:

Quote, "Majette, who raised more money than the incumbent largely from out-of-state pro-Israel donors, won 58 percent of the vote to McKinney's 42 percent.

McKinney, a vocal advocate of Arab causes who has been sharply critical of the Bush administration's war on terror, had strong backing from pro-Arab and Muslim organizations.

She blamed her loss on an influx of Republicans voters in the primary.

"We saw massive Republican crossover into the Democratic primary and it looks like the Republicans wanted to beat me more than the Democrats wanted to keep me," McKinney told her supporters after conceding defeat.

Reps. McKinney And Barr Defeated In Georgia

By Paul Simao
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"...campaign as insincere and opportunistic."
Insincerity and Opportunism? Core planks of the Demoncratic platform. I think Clark is right where he belongs.

And then there were ten Bush Bashers. Not a good idea among 'em. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[kathaksung]

Wesley Clark and Waco
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN
and JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
Originally Published June, 1999
On February 28, 1993 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms launched its disastrous and lethal raid on the Branch Dividian compound outside Waco, Texas. Even before the raid, members of the US Armed Forces, many of them in civilian dress, were around the compound.

In the wake of the Feb 28 debacle Texas governor Anne Richards asked to consult with knowledgeable military personnel. Her request went to the US Army base at Fort Hood, where the commanding officer of the US Army's III corps referred her to the Cavalry Division of the III Corps, whose commander at the time was Wesley Clark. Subsequent congressional enquiry records that Richards met with Wesley Clark's number two, the assistant division commander, who advised her on military equipment that might be used in a subsequent raid. Clark's man, at Richard's request, also met with the head of the Texas National Guard.

Two senior Army officers subsequently travelled to a crucial April 14 meeting in Washington, D.C. with Attorney General Janet Reno and Justice Department and FBI officials in which the impending April 19 attack on the compound was reviewed. The 186-page "Investigation into the Activities of Federal Law Enforcement Agencies Towards the Branch Davidians", prepared by the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and lodged in 1996 (CR 104 749) does not name these two officers and at deadline CounterPunch has so far been unable to unearth them. One of these officers had reconnoitered the Branch Davidian compound a day earlier, on April 13. During the Justice Dept. meeting one of the officers told Reno that if the military had been called in to end a barricade situation as part of a military operation in a forgn country, it would focus its efforts on "taking out" the leader of the operation.

www.counterpunch.org/cock...82003.html

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