Don't I remember...

[Yonivore]

I still say they'll be found. Keep carping though...it only hurts your position later on. And, for that, I'm pleased. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Neuro Axis]

...Sassy talking endlessly about David Kay and his mountain of evidence on Iraq's ilicit weapons just waiting to be delivered to the UN?
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Draft Report Said to Cite No Success in Iraq Arms Hunt
By DOUGLAS JEHL and JUDITH MILLER

New York Times
September 25, 2003

WASHINGTON, Sept. 24 ? An early draft of an interim report by the American leading the hunt for banned weapons in Iraq says his team has not found any of the unconventional weapons cited by the Bush administration as a principal reason for going to war, federal officials with knowledge of the findings said today.

The long-awaited report by David Kay, the former United Nations weapons inspector who has been leading the American search for illicit weapons, will be the first public assessment of progress in that search since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1.

Mr. Kay's team has spent nearly four months searching suspected sites and interviewing Iraqi scientists believed to have knowledge about the country's nuclear, biological and chemical weapons programs.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Mr. Kay and his team had not found illicit weapons. They said they believed that Mr. Kay had found evidence of precursors and dual-use equipment that could have been used to manufacture chemical and biological weapons.

They also said that Mr. Kay's team had interviewed at l one Iraqi security officer who said he had worked in such a chemical and biological weapons program until shortly before the American invasion in March.

Sections of the interim report by Mr. Kay are expected to be made public later this month. A spokesman for the Central Intelligence Agency, Bill Harlow, said in a statement today that Mr. Kay was still recving information from the field and that his progress report would not "rule anything in or out."

The administration's inability to uncover evidence of banned weapons has prompted increasing criticism from Capitol Hill. Until now, administration officials had insisted that they did not know what Mr. Kay's report might conclude. The effort by the C.I.A. today to emphasize the interim nature of any document seemed intended to minimize political fallout from his findings.

The failure to find banned weapons has been cited by Democratic presidential candidates and other critics of the war as evidence that the administration exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq to secure public support for toppling the government in Baghdad, a course that some of Mr. Bush's deputies had long promoted.

In a telephone interview, Mr. Harlow said that Mr. Kay's report was still bng drafted and that it would be premature to describe any draft as reflecting even interim conclusions. Mr. Kay reports to George Tenet, the director of central intelligence, and oversees the Iraq Survey Group, an organization made up of about 1,400 American and British weapons experts, security teams and support personnel.

Mr. Kay returned to the United States from Iraq about a week ago, government officials said, and is working from an office at C.I.A. headquarters in Virginia.

The details of Mr. Kay's findings have been closely held within the administration as part of a strategy that officials said was intended both to prevent unauthorized leaks and to minimize internal disputes about any emerging findings. Issues related to the Iraqi weapons program have been contentious inside the administration as well as outside, with the State Department's intelligence branch and some officials at the Defense Intelligence Agency taking issue with a report made public in May by the C.I.A. that said mysterious trailers discovered in Iraq were used to manufacture biological weapons.

Mr. Bush, who said at the time that the discovery of the trailers meant that the administration had found illicit weapons in Iraq, has not repeated such statements in recent months. But in a recent television interview, Vice President Dick Cheney called the trailers "mobile biological facilities that can be used to produce anthrax or smallpox or whatever else you wanted to use during the course of developing the capacity for an attack."

In early June, American and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence disputed claims that the trailers were used for making deadly germs. They said in interviews with The New York Times that the evaluation process had been damaged by a rush to judgment.
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It's a little funny but mostly sad to me that before the war, supporters' of a pre-emptive strike attitude toward UN Weapons Inspectors was, simply, "too little, too late," even though Hans Blix reported to the UN a few weeks before the invasion began that all of the UN's disarmament goals in Iraq could be completed in a month. Now that the war has been fought, and weapons inspectors are trying to retroactively justify what we've done in Iraq, most of those who were against the war are steadfastly holding the stance that whatever evidence is found now will not mean anything, since it will still mean that the war was fought on no grounds. And what is the pro-war camp's response, "Give the inspectors more time!"

The amount of lies that have been tolerated from this president is disgusting. Bush used what he knew to be faulty intelligence to carry out an illegal war, can't produce evidence that was supposed to justify the war long before it began, and both he and Cheney lied blatantly about Cheney's economic connections with Halliburton. Yet Clinton was evil incarnate because he got a blowjob and lied about it on tv??????? Am I missing something here? We spent millions investigating Clinton and what he did with his dick. What investigations have been carried out as to why Bush relied on British intelligence he knew to be false, or as to any of the other non-truths mentioned? What's worse, purgery on tv or the deaths of over 10,000 Iraqis and hundreds of soldiers?



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[Bootletronn]

Yoni, you would think the war was justified if you were showed a beaker. There has been none of the hundreds of tons of WMD found and not even convincing evidence of WMD programs but I suppose you towing the Conservative line will be happy if a few pieces of paper are produced implying that there might have been plans to reconstitute WMD's when everyone was told that there were hundreds of tons of the stuff and that the administration knew exactly where they were. Its people like you who change thr tune to that of the administrations. Before it was masses of WMD, then it was WMD programs, now it is evidence of a future WMD program. It really is amusing to say the l. And didnt the administration say they needed more time to find these weapons and told people to be patient when they wouldnt extend the same courtesy to the legitimate UN weapons inspectors?
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[Nattydread]

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I don't need to say anymore.
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