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Yonivore
09-24-2003, 10:45 AM
The President said this in his U.N. Address yesterday:
"The regime of Saddam Hussn cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction. It used those weapons in acts of mass murder and refused to account for them when confronted by the world."
Hmmmm? Well, let's get the chorus going... ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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azellyn
09-24-2003, 11:01 AM
No argument there.
But the war was not based on what happened in the late 80's and early 90's. Only you CONS believe that.
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Yonivore
09-24-2003, 11:22 AM
So, where are the weapons Azellyn? You're so smart. Where are the weapons of mass destruction everyone in the World (even Iraq) claimed Iraq had as late as 1995? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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Billybob
09-24-2003, 12:07 PM
Well, then the OBVIOUS conclusion is, despite ALL the contradictory evidence, and the lack of supporting evidence, that Iraq still has nukes, and they're pointing straight at the Empire State Building. Furthermore, Saddam is plotting from the shadows, along with bin Laden, to destroy the "free world" in favor of his favorite thing, CHAOS.
Is that what we're supposed to believe?
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azellyn
09-24-2003, 12:09 PM
and then, when they couldn't prove it, ask you where the WMD's are.
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Yonivore
09-24-2003, 06:08 PM
No, seriously...where are the weapons the U.N., the Clinton Administration, and the world KNEW Iraq had as late as 1998? I'm curious what you think happened to them. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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Bootletronn
09-25-2003, 01:27 AM
Both Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, and Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's closest adviser, made clear before September 11 2001 that Saddam Hussn was no threat - to America, Europe or the Middle .
In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussn) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his nghbours."
Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussn had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
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Yonivore
09-25-2003, 05:11 AM
And then came September 11.
The world (particularly the U.S.) could no longer be distracted by what Saddam Hussn had done with the weapons he was known to have, with the programs he was known to be conducting.
He was told to declare, destroy, and disarm or face the consequences...he decided for consequences. It was his call. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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Bootletronn
09-25-2003, 06:16 AM
Do you not find it questionable that the administration changed its attitude towards Iraq after 9/11 even though there was no additional evidence and have the administration say that Saddam had hundreds of tons of WMD and knows where they are when a matter of months before Condoleezza Rice saying that Saddam Hussn was no threat - to America, Europe or the Middle and Colin Powell saying that Saddam Hussn has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his nghbours and the US policy of "containment" that had effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator and also on May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussn had not been able to "build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."
I cant believe that people can believe this administration on Iraq when it has completely said the opposite of what it had said previously to push an agenda.
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Yonivore
09-25-2003, 06:37 AM
No, not at all. The United States of America changed it's posture towards alot of nations following September 11, 2001.
Why should Iraq have been an exception? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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Bootletronn
09-25-2003, 06:55 AM
Is it not lying to say at one point that Saddam is not a threat to anyone and he is under control to saying that he has thousands of tons of WMD and is a threat to America, her allies and the region which is a total contradiction to what was previously said. Its a blatant turn around with no additional evidence to back it up which to me is a lie and a lie created with the fear instilled on the American people by 9/11. To me this is preying on peoples emotions to further political ends. Saddam was no more of a threat to America before 9/11 than he was after yet the turn around on the preachings of the administration is amazing.
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azellyn
09-25-2003, 07:58 AM
Trying to CON us again with that one now eh?
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REBEL
09-25-2003, 03:02 PM
Some called it a wake-up call from hell.
Others said it was a wake-up call from heaven. It made us realize how vulnerable we are, and we have to protect our citizens and get them before they get us. It even made many people pray more. Yep, maybe it was a wake-up call from heaven.
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Billybob
09-25-2003, 03:48 PM
Are you nuts? 9/11 was a sign from Heaven?!?!?!?!?
The world trade center attacks were perpetrated by people with a VERY deep-seeded hatred of America, and I don't really blame them for that much. If you look at America's history of dealing with the middle , you MIGHT find that we're not the all around good guys Bush claims we are. But the fact that ANYONE would be able to kill thousands of people with a clear conscious (like America does abroad, by the way), is quite hard to forgive.
ThatsthewayIseeit
09-25-2003, 11:26 PM
You don't really blame them!!!!!!!!
You apparently did not have a friend or relative hurt by 9-11. You apparently are a bad American. You apparently ought to live in any country except America. GO there!
Billybob
09-26-2003, 06:35 AM
Well, I blame them for committing the ACT. And you're right, I didn't know anyone in the world trade center.
But you have to understand that they did that for REASONS. It's stupid and dangerous to think they were simply "evil". If George W. Bush actually believes that (as he says), he's completely ignorant of the situation in the middle , and WAY unfit to be president.
Do you honestly think this war on terrorism will end when we drop enough bombs to kill ALL the terrorists? Do you not understand history at all?
It's as simple as this: As long as America has these forgn policies that irritate most of the world (or any particular part of the world), there's going to be terrorism. People are simply simply "evil", and they don't hate us for our freedom, as our mental midget of a president has said.
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Yonivore
09-26-2003, 07:19 AM
Quote:Bootletronn:
"Is it not lying to say at one point that Saddam is not a threat to anyone and he is under control to saying that he has thousands of tons of WMD and is a threat to America, her allies and the region which is a total contradiction to what was previously said."
No, not if what you know about thr methods, intentions, or abilities changes between the two statements. And, I dare say that you nor I are privy to all the information and intelligence that Dr. Rice and the others are.
So, no, it's not lying. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy
?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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Sassy
09-29-2003, 06:34 AM
Secretary of State Colin Powell has revealed that U.S. investigators are interrogating an Iraqi intelligence agent on reports that he met with lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta.
Asked Sunday whether interrogators are questioning captured Mukhabarat operative Ahmed al Ani about the reported April 2001 meeting in Prague, Powell told ABC's "This Week," "That really is something the intelligence community is examining."
Powell called questions about the alleged Atta-al Ani meeting, which Czech officials say took place seven months before the 9/11 attacks, "perfectly logical."
"I'm sure that all of these questions, which are perfectly logical, are bng asked," he said. "But they're bng kept close so you can use the answers to one question to go back to another source and see if you can get it corroborated."
Though the CIA has repeatedly tried to discredit the story, Czech intelligence officials have continued to insist that the Atta-al Ani meeting did indeed take place. Al-Ani was a later expelled from the Czech Republic in connection with a plot to bomb Radio Free Europe/Radio Free Iraq.
Al Ani was captured by coalition forces in Iraq in July 2003.
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