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Taxing Levinson
01-17-2008, 06:32 AM
January 17, 2008
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BY CELESTE HADRICK | celeste.hadrick@newsday.com
8:39 PM EST, January 16, 2008
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Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Fark Google Newsvine Reddit Yahoo Print Reprints Post comment Text size: The economic news is gloomy: House sales and prices are down. Retail sales are off, and some economists say a recession is imminent if not already here.

Nassau Assessor Harvey Levinson, however, contends in a new assessment roll that the value of residential and business property is up.

Levinson and the county's board of assessors issued a tentative roll Jan. 1 that shows Nassau's real estate is up 2.7 percent over last year to a total market value of $317.5 billion.



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But tell that to Nassau's homeowners whose property tax assessments went up:

"You are witnessing the incompetence and audacity of the ... Chief Assessor in his conclusion that property in Nassau County has increased in value in the face of the facts and newspaper reports that indeed just the opposite has taken place," Levittown homeowner Arnold Johnson complained in a letter to his state and federal elected representatives.

The Multiple Listing Service of Long Island reports that the median sale price of a Nassau residence dropped 4.8 percent last month over the year before.

"My clients resent that assessments are not reflecting reality," said Fred Perry, a Dix Hills lawyer who represents thousands of Long Island homeowners who challenge thr property taxes every year.

Nassau's new assessment roll, which will be used to help calculate 2009-2010 property tax bills when it becomes final next year, shows Nassau's home values have increased by $1.2 billion over last year, or .5 percent; the value of condominiums and co-ops jumped 10.7 percent, while commercial property values, which are based on a business' income and expenses rather than real estate sales, are up 9.1 percent.

Comparable data are not available in Suffolk, where the towns, not the county, assess property. Most Suffolk towns have not reassessed townwide in decades.

New York City's tentative property assessment roll for 2009, released this week, showed an overall market value increase of 1.44 percent. However, the value of Class One real estate -- one-, two- and three-family homes -- dropped 2.76 percent, according to the city's finance department.

Levinson acknowledged that home values have decreased in some areas, adding that almost half of Nassau's 383,000 homeowners recved notice of a drop in assessment.

The rest, however, went up. Most homes that increased in value this year, he said, had been under-assessed in the past because of a state cap on assessment increases.

The glitch goes back to the countywide reassessment completed in 2003. In response to a lawsuit, a court ordered Nassau to conduct its first reassessment in more than 60 years, and to reassess annually to reflect current market value. The order overrode a state law limiting assessment increases to 6 percent a year.

The court's oversight ended with the 2006-2007 assessment roll. Levinson said he applied the cap to the 2007-2008 roll even though market prices had jumped 15 percent. Despite a weakening market, he said half of Nassau's houses still have not caught up to thr true market value.

But Vincent Jambrone, who was notified this month that his Hicksville home had increased in value to $558,300 from $527,200, said he wished he could find a buyer at that price. "I offered to sell it to anybody over at the assessor's office," he said.

Levinson said he expects residential assessments will catch up to market value by next January. "If the market continues to soften," he said, "it is likely that most taxpayers will see substantial reductions."

The value of commercial property is based on how much income is generated from renting a business property, Levinson said. He said he had not seen any softening in commercial rental income.

Asked about Levinson's assessment of commercial values, Martin Lomazow, senior vice president of CB Richard Ellis, said, "I think he was right up until August of 2007, when the debt market started to tremor."

Paul Amoruso, managing director of Oxford & Simpson Realty Services, Inc., had a similar view. "The commercial real estate market was strong in the first half of '07," he said. "The latter half of '07, the market slowed down substantially. In '08, a downturn is certainly expected."

Overall, he said, the problems in the housing market "are bleeding into the commercial sector. ... For example, Home Depot is less likely to expand. ... Mortgage companies are shutting down. ... It does have an impact and unfortunately the assessors are not seng it."

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Unregisteredh8u93
01-28-2008, 12:31 AM
The reason assessment went up when values went down has to do with the 6% yearly cap on assessments combined with having several years of double digit increases in valuess a few years back. Home prices especially in 04 & 05 were rising well into the double digits (upwards of 15% or so) however the assessment was only increasing at 6%.

For an example lets say a home valued and assessed at $400,000 in jan of 04 saw an increase of 15% in 04 a 14% increase in 05, a decrease of 2% in 06 & a decrease of 5% in 07

year Market value assessed value
04 $400,000 $400,000
05 $460,000 $424,000
06 $524,400 $449,400
07 $513,912 $476,374
08 $488,216 $488,216

In this case the assessment increase would be 2.49%, even though the prroperty value actually dropped, but the reason that assessment increased was previous assessments were well below the actual value of the home since the yearly assessments were capped at 6% & we saw several years of increases in market value well into the double digits.

The other thing to mention is the assessments alone is not what increases or decreases taxes, its how that assessment change compares to the average change.

In other words those whose assessed values increased by 2.7% would see thr taxes stay the same (if the county keeps the line on taxes which they have done since 02). Those who saw an increase greater than 2.7% would see a slight increase, those whose assessed values dropped or those whose assessed values rose, but under than the 2.7% average of the county would see a decrease.

fed up with levinson
01-29-2008, 12:52 PM
no, that is not accurate

if you look on the county website, LAST YEAR contained the reduced assessment, yet showed the fair market value to be higher.

this year, it was the assessment department incompetence that caused home values to rise. not the 6% rule. just look at that facts, they are there plain as day for anyone to see.

ITS TIME FOR HOWARD WTZMAN TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!

chef of nassau county
01-29-2008, 12:56 PM
no, that is not accurate

if you look on the county website, LAST YEAR contained the reduced assessment, yet showed the fair market value to be higher.

this year, it was the assessment department incompetence that caused home values to rise. not the 6% rule. just look at that facts, they are there plain as day for anyone to see.

ITS TIME FOR HOWARD WTZMAN TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!

yes! it's for time for Harvey to go !!

Unregistered3332
01-30-2008, 10:56 PM
no, that is not accurate

if you look on the county website, LAST YEAR contained the reduced assessment, yet showed the fair market value to be higher.

this year, it was the assessment department incompetence that caused home values to rise. not the 6% rule. just look at that facts, they are there plain as day for anyone to see.

ITS TIME FOR HOWARD WTZMAN TO DO AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS DEPARTMENT!!!!!!!!!


No, it had lower FAIR MARKET VALUES, just like this year did. The FAIR MARKET VALUES were down for both years, but assessment rose in order to get back in line with the fair market values because of the vast gaps that were created between fair market value evaluations and assessments due to double digit increase in values while having a 6% cap in assessment.

Not to mention the way taxes are impact by assessments is NOT if your assessment increases, decreases, or stays the same, but how the change in assessment on your home compares to the change in assessment in assessed values

fed up with levinson
01-31-2008, 09:30 PM
i think you are mixing up your years, as the nassau county property website does post in advance. if you look, 2 years back 2007 / 2008, the fair market value was higher, than the reduced value (Adjusted Market Value). next year they were even, 2008 / 2009. ***the Adjusted Market Value is used in the calculation of property taxes and as the basis for filing an appeal; it reflects limitations on increases in assessed value.*** this statement was taken off the county website, and is the reason for the difference in value for 2007 / 2008, the new values which came out 1/2008, and have been established for the 2009 / 2010 tax roll, and are the taxes which can now be grieved only until march 2008, this year, many homes went up in adjusted market value and fair market value from the adjusted and fair market values of last year -- this is absurd as property values have greatly DECREASED. the fair market value should reflect that decrease.

Unregistered3221
01-31-2008, 11:50 PM
i think you are mixing up your years, as the nassau county property website does post in advance. if you look, 2 years back 2007 / 2008, the fair market value was higher, than the reduced value (Adjusted Market Value). next year they were even, 2008 / 2009. ***the Adjusted Market Value is used in the calculation of property taxes and as the basis for filing an appeal; it reflects limitations on increases in assessed value.*** this statement was taken off the county website, and is the reason for the difference in value for 2007 / 2008, the new values which came out 1/2008, and have been established for the 2009 / 2010 tax roll, and are the taxes which can now be grieved only until march 2008, this year, many homes went up in adjusted market value and fair market value from the adjusted and fair market values of last year -- this is absurd as property values have greatly DECREASED. the fair market value should reflect that decrease.

Homes may ahve gone up in adjusted value, but did NOT go up in fair market value as a whole. Now you might be able to pull one off here and there that did, but the vast majority did not. Out of those that did go up, it was generally due to work bng done on the home, or that specific home bng sold during the year well above. For example I looked at about 35 homes in my nghborhood, virtually every home the fair market value decreased with two exceptions. The exceptions were two homes sold during the spring of 07, which were sold for quite a bit more than the 07 fair market value. As a result of that sale bng taken into consideration the fair market value in 08 was a bit higher than it was in 07 though still a bit below what the homes actually sold for in the spring of 07.

fed up with levinson
02-01-2008, 08:48 AM
i live in levittown - which took a deep dive in the market, my home went up in fair market value. there has been absolutely NO CONSTRUCTION on my home which could have caused this to go up (we couldn't afford to fix up our home anyway); this prompted me to take a look at several homes on my block, then in my town, then in nassau county. if you live in roslyn, garden city,..... you might have seen a decrease, however, alot of homes i looked at even on my block actually showed an INCREASE in value. they did not have construction ther!! this should not have occurred. now, according to your statement, homes showed an increase because of construction or sales. since nther of these situations apply to our home, or other homes near ours, can you explain this increase???

the assessment department, once again, just did not get this right. and thr office is run so poorly, and the supervision is so poor, that these mistakes were not caught an rectified. this mistake will cost us. we will file another grievance of course, but there is no guarantee that the corrections will be made. i know from the past, arc denies grievances without even looking at the paperwork sent in from residents. we have had this happen to us several times. we just don't live in the right area or have the right connections to be treated fairly. we need an honest person running the assessment department, not someone who is unfairly shifting the tax burden to towns like levittown.

Unregistered1222
02-01-2008, 10:15 PM
i live in levittown - which took a deep dive in the market, my home went up in fair market value. there has been absolutely NO CONSTRUCTION on my home which could have caused this to go up (we couldn't afford to fix up our home anyway); this prompted me to take a look at several homes on my block, then in my town, then in nassau county. if you live in roslyn, garden city,..... you might have seen a decrease, however, alot of homes i looked at even on my block actually showed an INCREASE in value. they did not have construction ther!! this should not have occurred. now, according to your statement, homes showed an increase because of construction or sales. since nther of these situations apply to our home, or other homes near ours, can you explain this increase???

the assessment department, once again, just did not get this right. and thr office is run so poorly, and the supervision is so poor, that these mistakes were not caught an rectified. this mistake will cost us. we will file another grievance of course, but there is no guarantee that the corrections will be made. i know from the past, arc denies grievances without even looking at the paperwork sent in from residents. we have had this happen to us several times. we just don't live in the right area or have the right connections to be treated fairly. we need an honest person running the assessment department, not someone who is unfairly shifting the tax burden to towns like levittown.

I have family in Levittown, looked up thr home as well as about 25 homes in the area, every single one went down in fair market value.

fed up with levinson
02-05-2008, 04:28 PM
Don't Believe It, List The Addresses, I Would Love To See This For Myself.

Unregistered1111
02-07-2008, 10:41 PM
Don't Believe It, List The Addresses, I Would Love To See This For Myself.

I;m not going to list the address of my family, but will say the general area, north of Hempstead Turnpike, not to far of Newbridge.

Unregistered98
02-15-2008, 03:44 AM
Want a lesson in what's really going on with the assessments? Then take a look at how much $ the county has to pay back every year due to successful tax challenges. Regardless of what levinson says, the county has to pay back about $120,000,000 per year. Approx $20,000,000 in residential challenges and $100,000,000 in commercial property challenges. So no matter what you think, if they (Nassau County) are losing in court -- the assessments are wrong.