Bush Support for War Dwindles to Lowest Levels

[Bush Support for War Dwin]

From www.Zogby.com

There is a very good chance the Republicans will be crying come November 2004.

Even my hardcore republican parents are starting to see the lies and deception. That is a good sign to me if they can see this.

[Nattydread]

You say your parents are strating to see the lies. What I don't get is...why is this nation so slow to see the reality?

Today for a few minutes i heard Bill O'Rlly saying that he only blamed bush for not admiting to making some honest mistake about the war. In O'Rlly's view going to war was right but bush should admit instead of trying to cover up the lies.

How can you call this a mistake? If Millions of people warned you about something before you do it ..can you really call it a mistake?

Is there anything happening in Iraq today that people didn't predict before the war?
Did you not hear people say Iraq would be in dissary after the war?


And while I'm on the subject. Just last week bush and Rumsfled admit to reporters that they did not have any evidence linking Saddam to 9/11. Now today I heard bush telling the UN there was a tie between 9/11, Saddam and WMD! How can this man say this again?

One of the biggest thing that came out so far was the fact that bush lied and scare Americans into believng that attacking Iraq was protecting America from some eminent strike from Saddam. How can he say that AGAIN!!

As an American I'm beggining to feel like some idiotic red-neck living in a trailer home when I see this happening and Americans do nothing!
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[Yonivore]

From the same organization:

Poll shows Baghdad residents optimistic

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 24 (UPI) -- Nearly two-thirds of Baghdad residents say the removal of Saddam Hussn was worth the hardships they have endured, a report said Wednesday.

Despite the collapse of government and civic institutions, looting and violence and shortages of water and electricity, 67 percent of 1,178 Iraqis told a Gallup survey team within five years, thr lives will be better than before the U.S.-led invasion.

Only 8 percent of those queried said they believed thr lives would be worse off as a result of the military campaign to remove Saddam and his Baath Party leadership, the New York Times reported.

The survey, which was conducted in late August and early September, cut across the ethnically diverse landscape of the capital.

The results revealed Iraqis in the capital still maintain a great deal of skepticism about the motives of the United States and Britain.

Residents said they hold France and its president, Jacques Chirac, in higher regard than President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Outside the so-called "Sunni Triangle," where almost 100% of the continued violence is occurring, optimism is said to be over 90%.

You know, if the reporters would get out of Baghdad into the other 99% of the country, they may actually find something positive to report. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Micrometer]

I think "one-tenth of one percent" is what it'll take some folks to get off the Bush bandwagon, which as you know, is waiting for a new team of mules to pull it.

[Yonivore]

I think you misunderestimate the intelligence of the American People.

I predict a Republican landslide in the next election. You heard it here first. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Billybob]

Wow Yonivor, are you telling me that almost 790 people in Iraq support the invasion of thr homes? Stop the presses.

How about instead of just finding polls that support your uneducated views of Iraq, you try readin INDEPENDANT sources who have actually BEEN there.

Greg Palast, the famous BBC journalist is a great source, as he was in Iraq (NOT under the wing of the US military) during the war and aftermath. Robert Fisk is another.

But I think the most earth-shattering articles comes from an Iraqi girl who keeps a web diary of her experiences in that country. She talks about the random, violent US raids, gang activity, the farsical Iraqi National Congress, and many other things. Why do you believe Bill O'Rlly over sources like THIS?

riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Please take a look. Don't you think you owe it to the Iraqis to actually LISTEN to them?
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[Yonivore]

BBC of the "sexed-up" dossier BBC?

Yeah, the BBC is objective.

Robert Fisk?

Isn't he in Baghdad (the center of hostilities)? And, according to his last article I read, most of the Iraqi deaths are from feuds, looting, and revenge. He lists those killed in U.S. Coalition raids last. He also doesn't specify if those Iraqis killed in U.S. Raids are combatants, Ba'athists who resisted, or criminals that were killed in the commission of a crime.

A young girl with a very limited view of the entire conflict?

I bet I can find a young girl in the slums of New York City, that sees it the same way in America. Maybe the girl lives among a hotbed of anti-American resistance. Her limited view and information network doesn't allow for much of an overview I'm betting.

Fact is, outside the "Sunni Triangle" things are pretty much back to normal and getting better every day. With the exception of not having the oppressive Ba'athist regime murdering Kurds and Shi'ites by the thousands. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Nattydread]

Bush has figured that he can exploit 9/11 by preying on emotions Americans. And it works! At this stage all he has to do is to keep repeating the lies! There is no thought put into these people conviction anymore.

Lets look at what transpired the past few weeks. Bush and Rumsfeld publicly stated that they had no evidence linking Saddam to 9/11. Yet yesterday to the UN there was bush contradicting the very same statements!

Forget Yonivore...WHERE IS OUR LAME OVERT BIASED AMERICAN PRESS when it comes to this issue? How can bush still talk about Saddam and WMD ..when to-date he cannot produced a trace of such WMD?

I've given up. Because it sickens and disgust me.

When it comes to people like Yonivore all bush has to is keep repating the words ..Saddam, Iraq, 9/11..or WMD! Why? Because thats is claim to fame..the man has nothing else to talk about! And no facts you present will ever change that!
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[Billybob]

Wow Yonivor, you sure know how to discredit sources that don't tell you what you already "know".

There are SO many things wrong with your reasoning here.

First of all, the BBC has done the best and most comprehensive coverage of the Iraq debacle. While American reporter were shuttled around by the military, only covering things they were shown by the military, the BBC was on the ground, broadcasting independantly (under threat of violence by the Pentagon), covering all sides of the war. But you discredit them compeltely because they said the British intelligence reports about Iraq were "sexed up"? Are you telling they WEREN'T? No, you're not, because they WERE sexed up. How do we know? Because there are NO weapons of mass destruction in IRaq, and Saddam didn't even use them to defend his own land.

And you're also saying that Robert Fisk has a limited view of the war, whereas thanks to the vigiliant and NON-biased Fox News, you can see the big picture? Don't make me laugh.

But the worst offense of all, is how you completely discredit the voice of a real person who's really bng affected by this conflict. You can sit back on your couch, stuffing your face with cheetos and watching your 800 channels of television, but here is someone who's home has been destroyed, and her family and friends are suffering. But of course, YOU know better.

Yonivor, do you EVER suspect you may not know the whole truth about what's going on? Do you really think reality begins and ends with your perceptions? I should point in quantum physics and general symantics, how your responses are dictated by an archaic aristotalian logic (you're ther with us or against us. You're ther pro or anti. You ther love America completely or you hate is completely). The Bush administration is VERY VERY skillful at using the right words to manipulate information. An "invasion" isn't a good sounding word, how about "liberation"? But a rose by any other name...

Ever since Vietnam, the Pentagon has been very careful to not let the wrong information out about America's actions overseas. If people were allowed to decide for themselves if America is doing good or ill, people might lose faith in thr government. We can't have that, can we?
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[wookibender]

Quote:Yonivore says:
I think you misunderestimate the intelligence of the American People.

This is the same American People where 70% recently thought that 9/11 was part of Saddam's evil doing right?
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[Yonivore]

Wookie, wookie, wookie...

There's a big difference between believing the September 11 attacks were "part of Saddam's evil doing," and believing that Saddam Hussn was, in someway, connected to the events of September 11, 2001.

Your brush just keeps getting broader and broader. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[azellyn]

The "liberal media" is at it again. Trying to make Bush look good.

So we see he can't buy a vote here in the US. Desperate for anything good to report, they travel to Iraq to try to find support for him. That's laughable in and of itself. But if anybody not in on the CON job looks as the actual numbers, they'd see that there is only one good number and it is based on the question: "will you be better off five years from now?"

EVERY OTHER NUMBER WAS PATHETIC....they @#%$ hate Bush, they @#%$ hate us, they say things are worse than before the invasoin, etc. Overall, Bush's approval rating there is an embarassing 25%.

However, as the day progressed, the "liberal media" put earrings on the hog and reported that "Iraqi's feel optimistic since bng liberated by the US". Quite a contrast from the beginning of the day when a GI who was interviewed basically spat at the mention of Bush. During yesterday's "speech" it was reported that people in cafe's couldn't stand to watch him speak at the UN. Damned terrorists.
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[Yonivore]

Continuing to based your characterizations on anectodal one-person responses doesn't do your argument any good. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Scooter Rizzuter]

So what you're saying is like a Yankees player who was reall, really happy that the Anahm Angels won the World Series last year, because they're both in the American League, and if it wasn't one of them it was the other?

Bah humbug!

[yeah but]

BBC is just as liberal and anti-American as the Communist News Network (CNN). That's just plain common knowledge.

We needed and need very aggressive action to protect our country.

If I thought someone (like say the mafia) was out to kill me or mine, I would kill them 1st rather than be killed or allow them to kill mine.
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[WantaghDem]

And then you would be arrested, tried and convicted of FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

And then you could share the cell with your moronic chimp of a hero......just hope you don't look like a 14 year old girl, 'cause Dubya gotta get some!
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[Billybob]

I find it interesting that you declare your opinion "common knowledge".

What would it mean if I disagreed with you? I must be crazy, treasonous, and a communist myself!

What a Nazi.

PS- it was "common knowledge" in Germany that the jews were inferior, and the source of all social ills.
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[Yonivore]

Billybob, I've called you nothing of the sort. I merely think you're wrong. It's that simple. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush

"As God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." - - Arthur Carleson, WKRP in Cincinnati
RIP Gordon Jump
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[Bootletronn]

Quote:Residents said they hold France and its president, Jacques Chirac, in higher regard than President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

I liked this bit especially.
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