What led all the "morans to believe Sadam did 911?

[azellyn]

What led all the "idiots" who believe Iraq was connected to 9/11 to believe that?

Bush's congressional resolution to Congress: March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker:

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

Quote:(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will nther
(A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor

What "continuing threat?"

Quote:(B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

--snip--

Quote:WHEREAS members of Al Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens and interests, including the attacks that occurred on Sept. 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Lie. This only happened after the war.

Quote:WHEREAS Iraq continues to aid and harbor international terrorist organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;

Oh really? What international terrorist organizations were proven to have currently been operating in Iraq at the time the war commenced? They only came after Bush destroyed the country and left the borders unprotected thereby threatening our national security.

Quote:WHEREAS the attacks on the United States of Sept. 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat that Iraq will transfer weapons of mass destruction to international terrorist organizations;

The threat that Iraq will transfer WMD's to terrorists???? But there weren't any. The "connections the White House is claiming have been refuted by own and Czech intelligence and it was based on ONE alleged incident of ONE person allgedly meeting someone connected to Iraq. Again, that was dispelled.

--snip--

signed

GEORGE W. BUSH ...

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED





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[wookibender]

Where's Yonivore?

He's got some explaining(spinning) to do about these "Morans"
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[Halcyeon]

I thought I just remember everyone of some Yonivore quotes from other threads:

Quote:Because, while the administration has stated a belief there were ties between al Qaeda and Iraq, they've never asserted Iraq was complicit in the September 11 attacks

Quote:Nothing you've said or shown demonstrates, to me, the Bush Administration ever made this claim (= Iraq was responsible for the 11 September attacks). Period.

Now read the Bush quotes and see the opposite.
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[Halcyeon]

PS: Demoncrats and Hitlary?

Sometimes people can play with words and turn them into something funny and witty.

You are very obviously not one of those people.

However your lack of humor proves that you are a true Republican. Congratulations!
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[Yonivore]

DESPERATE SADDAM OFFERS AMERICANS DEAL
Quote:Sep 21 2003
From Paul Martin In Baghdad

SADDAM Hussn has been in secret negotiations with US forces in Iraq for the past nine days, we can reveal.

The Iraqi dictator is demanding safe passage to the former Soviet republic of Belarus. In exchange, he has vowed to provide information on weapons of mass destruction and disclose bank accounts where he siphoned off tens of millions of dollars in plundered cash.
WHAT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?
Quote:
President Bush is bng kept abr of the extraordinary talks by his National Security advisor Condoleezza Rice. She is co-ordinating negotiations in Baghdad which are led by Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the commander of American forces in Iraq.

The United States has vowed never to negotiate with Saddam and want to take him dead or alive, but the White House hopes the clandestine talks will allow them to pinpoint the tyrant's exact location.

Saddam's English-speaking representative walked into the US HQ at Tikrit - the dictator's home town - on September 12 and asked to talk to senior officers.

He then led a group of US troops to a nearby suburb where one of Saddam's loyal security chiefs was waiting. The US officers were handed a hand-written note, purportedly from Saddam himself.

The security boss had a British-made Racal military radio set which he claimed gave him direct contact with people in the same room as the dictator. The radio is notoriously difficult to monitor.

He was immediately taken into custody, but the US has continued to exchange messages with Saddam using the radio and other means.

A senior Iraqi told The Sunday Mirror last night: "A representative of Saddam dressed in Western-style civilian clothes came to coalition people at Tikrit at sunset on September 12. He led them to a house where the security official was waiting.

"The discussions are now going on under the direct authority of General Sanchez. Naturally all the major decisions are bng made at the level of the National Security Council, under Condoleezza Rice."

He maintained that Saddam had decided to seek a deal "because he is desperate, trapped and finding fewer and fewer people willing to give him shelter."

He added: "He resorts to arriving with a posse of armed men, and forcing them to give him hospitality. When he leaves the frightened 'hosts' are told they'll be killed if they say a word."

It is believed the US authorities will simply string Saddam along, aiming to track the go-betweens until they know exactly where to find the rogue leader.

"There's no doubt the net is closing, and that his supporters' efforts to get the Americans to pull out of Iraq are not succeeding," said the source.

"They can cause disruption and problems, but this does not bring Saddam any nearer to coming back to power, and he now knows it. The negotiators will try to keep the line of communication open as long as possible, but the word from Washington is: 'No deal'."

Saddam left strong hints that he was willing to talk in his last audio tape on Wednesday. It had a strongly defiant tone, but contained two significant indications that he was keen for a deal:

-SADDAM addressed the US president directly and gave him a possible get-out for a negotiated surrender. "There might be some who lied to you, but you believed those lies," he said, hinting that coalition intelligence was badly wrong.

-HE added: "If you want to discuss the withdrawal arrangements, some of the officials in the leadership arrested by your army ... you can contact them and hold a suitable dialogue."

Although Saddam was still proposing an unconditional American withdrawal from Iraq, coalition chiefs took his latest statement as a willingness to talk.

Since the fall of Baghdad in April the dictator has remained on the run.

Saddam-hunters say he moves disguised as a peasant or labourer in a long white dishdasha (gown), especially in remote countryside.

Fearing he will be spotted and betrayed, he seldom stays in one place for more than two hours. He is often sheltered by tribal leaders whom he appointed to replace the real leaders during his rgn of terror.

"They owe thr very existence and thr status and money to him, so they feel a strong obligation," said one hunter.

"But the feeling of obligation gets less and less as time passes and the pressure mounts."

He is also believed to have made brief visits to Baghdad in brazen defiance of the occupying US forces.

One senior Iraqi told me: "He had set up over 1,000 hiding places before the fall, and I guess he goes from one to the other these days. When he was in power, even cabinet ministers wouldn't know where meetings were to be held.

"They were taken to a small bus, or if they were very senior the security sent a car. He's been a master of survival."

Saddam hunters have issued several photofit images of how he might look.

He has apparently run out of black hair-dye and will almost certainly have white hair.

"He's moving every two hours and he's not staying set," said Colonel Don Campbell, chief of staff of the 4th Infantry Division. "He has to."

Saddam has demanded to go to Belarus, the former Soviet republic which still has a president and leadership descended from the old guard Communist Party era.

Before the war the Americans told Saddam he could leave the country, but he spurned the offer.

Since then President Bush has rejected any idea of making a deal with the ousted leader and has put a $25million dead-or-alive bounty on his head.

-AN American soldier shot and killed a tiger in Baghdad's zoo after it attacked a colleague who had put his arms through the bars to feed it. "They turned up after the zoo was closed and were both drunk", an Iraqi keeper said. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Yonivore]

That appears to be a very well crafted resolution that 1) underscores the threat Iraq poses without 2) specifically tying them to September 11. Lawyers are good at that.

I don't see any lies or any specific references to thr involvement with al Qaeda or September 11.

The word "...including..." in the second quote is important. I think a law degree would be very helpful to you guys. Really. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[wookibender]

ahahahahahahahahaha
Quote: That appears to be a very well crafted resolution

Your quoting from a Tabloid.
I think you're the "MORAN"


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Sunday Mirror - http://www.sundaymirror.co.ukNational Sunday popular (tabloid).

No other news source is reporting this right now? Why?

Your credibility just went down the toilet.
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[Halcyeon]

Quote:Your quoting from a Tabloid.

Oh me, oh my.



What's next? Elvis, the saucer people?



What an incredible f*ck-up





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[azellyn]

Indeed.

Show me the money.
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[azellyn]

Quote:That appears to be a very well crafted resolution that underscores the threat Iraq poses without specifically tying them to September 11. Lawyers are good at that. I don't see any lies or any specific references to thr involvement with al Qaeda or September 11. The word "...including..." in the second quote is important. I think a law degree would be very helpful to you guys. Really.

The point is that mixing references to Al Qaeda in the resolution is the kind of language that led to the confusion about this issue. And, then there's the lie about harboring terrorist too which you failed to address.

BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED
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[Freedom]

..the "credible" NYTimes.

BTW, what do you consider to be a WMD?

Remember this sad day?

BAGHDAD ? The FBI says military explosives were used in Tuesday's blast that destroyed part of the U.N. headquarters and killed at l 17 people.
The FBI's special agent in Iraq, Thomas Fuentes, told BBC the explosives included a Soviet-built 500-pound bomb, artillery shells, mortar rounds and grenades. The materials were all from Saddam Hussn's prewar arsenal, Fuentes said. However, not all of the munitions detonated.

He said body parts found in the wreckage of the truck used to carry the explosives confirm the vehicle was driven by a bomber.

Rescue workers Wednesday were still removing rubble from the blast site in a search for more bodies. At l 100 people suffered injuries in the explosion.

BBC reported hghtened security across Baghdad, specifically at U.S. military offices and at the headquarters for such non-profit groups as Doctors Without Borders and Save the Children Fund.

Copyright 2003 by United Press International.
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[WantaghDem]

"Weapon of Mass Destruction includes weapons, substances, devices, vectors, or delivery systems that are designed or have the capacity to cause death or great bodily harm to a considerable number of people through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or thr precursors, disease organisms, biological agents, or toxins or are designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life."

The US government normally classifies WMDs as nuclear, biological, chemical or radiological. A classic explosive device alone does NOT qualify in any way as a WMD.

So, good question - and your post is irrelevant to a discussion of whether or not Iraq possessed WMD PRIOR to Bush's invasion of a sovrgn nation.

Too bad!
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[wookibender]

In memory of Yonivore....



See, this proves that Bush Lied.
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[Freedom]

By Larry Elder (a black conservative writer/talk show host which really gets libs upset. Minorities are supposed to be libs' lap dogs so the lib Dems think.)

In 1998, Saddam Hussn kicked out the United Nations inspectors. At the time, the inspectors concluded that Saddam Hussn possessed weapons of mass destruction, including VX nerve gas and anthrax, and continued to develop them.

President George W. Bush, according to the all-we're-saying-is-give-peace-a-chance crowd, assumed, apparently, that Saddam Hussn voluntarily ? with no outside pressure and no inspectors ? destroyed his weapons program merely because his inherent decency and integrity demanded it. Even former weapons inspector Hans Blix admitted that, but for the 250,000 American troops amassed on the border of Iraq, Hussn would not have allowed inspectors to re-enter his country.

The United Nations Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 1441 requiring Saddam Hussn to fully and thoroughly declare his weapons. Saddam failed to do so. Even the French admitted Saddam failed to comply. Furthermore, the resolution said that failure to comply triggers "serious consequences." What do you suppose "serious consequences" means? That the United Nations would padlock one of his presidential palaces, or let the air out of one of his Mercedes Benzes?

No, "serious consequences" meant war, and all who signed the resolution knew it. Many members of the Security Council, however, assumed Hussn rational enough to comply, therefore avoiding war and the loss of his power. The president, post-Sept. 11, simply could not allow a dictator, who lost the first Persian Gulf war, to defy numerous U.N. resolutions requiring him to declare and destroy his weapons of mass destruction.

Hussn, with ample time to hide, move or destroy his weapons program, nevertheless interfered with the second round of inspectors. Secretary Colin Powell, in his address to the United Nations, described telephone intercepts between Iraqi officials in which the Iraqis discussed schemes to thwart the inspectors.

Mansoor Ijaz, in an article in the National Review, furthermore outlines the ties between Saddam Hussn and al-Qaida:

The Iraqis were intimately involved in helping al-Qaida develop chemical-weapons capabilities ? and this continues to have consequences. In early June, 10 letters laced with toxic powders were found in Belgium addressed to ? among other targets ? Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt and the American, Saudi and British embassies ... Documents found in the rubble of Iraq's Mukhabarat intelligence headquarters by reporters for London's Daily Telegraph show that Iraqi military and intelligence officials sought out al-Qaida leaders much earlier than previously thought, and met with [Osama] bin Laden on at l two occasions.
In addition to previously reported meetings between Farouk Hijazi, a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, and bin Laden in Sudan in 1994, the Mukhabarat documents show that on Feb. 19, 1998, about six months prior to the attacks in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, Iraqi intelligence officials made plans to bring a senior bin Laden aide to Baghdad from Khartoum ... Even the most diehard opponent of the war can no longer deny the physical evidence of the ties that bound Saddam to al-Qaida and other terrorists, the scientific linkages that made them lethal, and the rationale for having to put an end to it all.

Finally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, too, faced charges of deliberately misleading the public. A parliamentary committee investigating the allegations reported, "It is too soon to tell whether the government's assertions on Iraq's chemical and biological weapons will be borne out." The report questioned some of the intelligence on which Blair relied, but the committee found no evidence of "politically inspired meddling."

Expect a similar U.S. congressional investigation regarding Bush, and expect the same results.
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[wookibender]

Quote: In 1998, Saddam Hussn kicked out the United Nations inspectors. At the time, the inspectors concluded that Saddam Hussn possessed weapons of mass destruction, including VX nerve gas and anthrax, and continued to develop them.

WRONG it is speculation.

They (United Nations) concluded NOT Because they acutally found any weapons or mass destruction, but because Saddam was kicking them out and he could not show on paper that he destroyed them. There is a difference.

Here's the actual quote from Ari Flscher.
Quote: After all, it was the United Nations, when they left Iraq, when they were thrown out of Iraq in 1998, that concluded and told the world that Iraq had failed to account for the thousands of liters of botulin, of VX, of sarin gas.
www.whitehouse.gov

See the difference.
In your article, it says the inspectors concluded that Saddam DID possess WMD.

In the quote from Fliescher is says IRAQ failed to account for the thousands of liters of botulin, VX, of Sarin Gas...

That is called spin...

Who is telling the truth?
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[Freedom]

WHY would Saddam throw the inspectors out?
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[wookibender]

I'm going to "SPECULATE" here...
and... I don't mean to back up Saddam in any way. He did need to be removed in my opinion, just not the way our governement went about it in LIES.

Here goes.....

Possibly Saddam feels like the inspectors are US spies.
Possibly Saddam feels that no matter what, the inspectors will never leave until the US takes him out.
Possibly Saddam is sick of inspectors searching mosques and other holy places?
Possilby he feels that it is not anyone business to be sending inspectors into his country after 7 years.
Possibly he feels like he would rather keep his "supposed" WMD a secret because it gives him an illusion of still having power. He probably feels like if every knows he has no weapons then he is vulnerable and weak....???

I really don't know... but there are a few reasons why... The guy was crazy, he could have a lot of crazy reason but it does not mean 100% that he has WMD.
See my point.
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[WantaghDem]

Or just "make it up"?

Using Freedom's own rules, Freedom lied when he claimed that a generic explosive bomb used in a guerilla attack in Iraq was evidence of WMD in Iraq.

Using MY rules (that is, reasonable fair rules that reasonable, intelligent people can agree on) Freedom didn't lie, or maybe make it up - he was just Freedom, and that means he was confused, uninformed, ignorant, and intolerant of criticism.

But Freedom didn't LIE when he claimed that the 500 lb bomb was evidence of WMD in Iraq, did he???????????????
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[wookibender]

I'm going to go with the
Quote:confused, uninformed, ignorant, and intolerant of criticism
For Freedom. I don't think he lied.. He just doesn't know any better. He's a Bush Fluffer. It's not his fault.
Blaim FOX NEWS.
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[REBEL]

Allow me to be just as intellectual.

D">


Wow, i feel so smart now.

Even though I'm conservative, you should like me now, because i have just proved that i am your equal.


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[azellyn]

Freedom wants to know . . .

Well let's start with the 500 tons of Sarin and nerve gas Bush talked about and the bioweapons spewing drones. Where are they? Or do you expect us to be like the "morans" who have been duped by Bushco into believing that all he ever said was Saddam has a "weapons program."????


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[azellyn]

Where can I buy one? I want to read the story about Yoni's disappearance.


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[wookibender]

Quote: Where can I buy one? I want to read the story about Yoni's disappearance.
National Enquire - Yonivore Disappears, Bush Lies

Quote:Even though I'm conservative, you should like me now, because i have just proved that i am your equal.
If the Clear-Eyed Conservative Realists would actually ask an intelligent question or post some intelligent news then there would be no need for this. Instead we waste our time defining what WMD are and defending ourselves from Tabloid news. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?????? We're dealing with Morans!!!!!!!!!!!


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[Yonivore]

Quote:azellyn:

"Where can I buy one? I want to read the story about Yoni's disappearan
I didn't know you cared. Gosh, I'm touched. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Yonivore]

HTML Comments are not allowed ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. BushEdited by: Yonivore at: 9/22/03 2:48 pm

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[Purity]

Quote:Oh, and the Mirror article? I was one drunk bastard...football weekend. Hey, wouldn't it be a hoot if it turns out to be true?

That solves everything. Here is your credibility back.

PS: what is that hideous thing under your username?
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[Yonivore]

Quote:Purity:

"That solves everything. Here is your credibility back."
Wow, the keeper of credibility! Thanks.
Quote:Purity:

"PS: what is that hideous thing under your username?"
Your face, I think. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Purity]

Quote:Your face, I think.

Very clever. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
What's your next comeback?

"Oh yeah?"
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[Yonivore]

Yeah! OH YEAH!

Feel better? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Purity]

Much better, thank you.

I think it says a lot about the poster when a Bush-quote is becoming one of the more intelligent parts of the post.
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[Yonivore]

Do you really?

I think it says alot about a poster that continues to banter with someone he obviously considers his intellectual inferior.

Now, who's said more about themselves? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[wookibender]

Hey Yonivore,

I just wanted to remind you today that Bush Lied.

Also,

Quote:Aliens say that President Bush has already made a series of catastrophic blunders that "threaten the long-term survival of the human species" and warns that if he keeps going the way he has been, his presidency will spell disaster for "not only the United States and the planet Earth, but possibly the entire galaxy as well."

The extraterrestrial made the blistering comments in a six-page communique sent to the White House, according to Dr. Phil Braton, a D.C.-based UFO researcher who claims he obtained a copy from an unnamed National Security Agency source.

One of my favorite Tabloids


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