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[WantaghDem]

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[Nattydread]

...I would love to hear the explanations why these emotional, flag-waving, zealots believed that Saddam was connected to 9/11!

But..wait..its gets worse...this is the same regime who promise to create jobs. And I know these jackass will settle for that promise to materialize in '04 and beyond..when no one can stop bush and his cronies from destroying America!

I was thinking about the recent 'recession'...and maybe its true ..there was no recession..it was a slick transfer of wealth..that all!

I've said it many times on this board...the rich guy knows why he's voting for bush..and I can't really blame him. It is these poor, mindless, emotional turds who are stirred up over issue of 9/11 that angers me.

The same jack-asses you hear talking about "serve" and honor and hero! Yeah scum-bags..WE WON THE MEANINGLESS WAR NOW...didn't we!
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[WantaghDem]

I'm so happy I don't know where to begin. The Bush Administration is CONTRADICTING not only itself but the 70% of the American public that Bush tricked into thinking that Iraq played a role in the 9/11 attacks!

Donald Rumsfeld was CLEAR - he said CLEARLY that he had no reason to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussn had a hand in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States!!!

And Condoleeza Rice claimed yesterday that, in fact, the Administration NEVER CLAIMED that Saddam was connected to 9/11!!!!

I'd like to see all of the conservative robots in here who have been claiming UP AND DOWN that we went to war because Saddam was a bad man who had a hand in 9/11 to line up outside Macy's window - because we'll be there, and you all know what for!

You thought it was the economy?

You thought it was the record job loss?

You thought it was the unemployment?

You thought it was the loss of American stature abroad?

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of the end. All of those poor people who were hoodwinked into believing the Bush Administration's assertions for the last year and a half that Saddam Hussn was connected to 9/11 AND that he had WMD to be used against the US - HOW DO YOU THINK THEY WILL REACT when told the news that NOT ONLY WERE THERE NO WMD IN IRAQ - BUT THAT THE ADMINSTRATION ALSO LIED TO THEM ABOUT THE SADDAM/9/11 CONNECTION?

I'll tell you how - the same manner they did the last time a Rhodes Scholar from Arkansas who was the last Democrat to enter the race opposed an incumbent President Bush!!!!



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[Reality]

Wipe the Jizz off your chin. Bush still wins next year. Your revelations are meaningless.
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[WantaghDem]

....when the repressed homosexuality and the not so repressed homophobia would come out!

NOT my revelations! Are you that dense? RUMSFELD AND RICE HAVE ADMITTING LYING ABOUT IRAQ!

It's a matter of time.....while any of about 5 of the 10 dems could easily kick Bush's a$$, I think we'll let the General have this mission.



When conservatives let thr true feelings show (such as, in this case, shock, anger, rage, and an irrepressibly need to TiVo Queer Eye for the Straight Guy as often as possible, you know they know they're in trouble!).


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[Halcyeon]

Quote:Bush still wins next year. Your revelations are meaningless

Yes, proof that Bush lied and decved is meaningless. Thanks for admitting that. Don't you dare to be critical. Keep on your blinders and sit up like a nice puppy.

Maybe Bush wins, unlike 3 years ago. He's close to threatening with a new 9/11 if he doesn't.
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[Nattydread]

This post proves what I've been saying all this time...YOU GUYS ARE BLIND LOYALIST!

No matter what bush does or says he has your support. It also signifies that debating with you is meaningless.

Just like a wind-up-toy...you will walk right off a cliff!

Only in this case it is emotions that drives you..all bush has to do is keep repeating the words.."9/11"..."serve".."honor"...and your spring is fully wound.
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[WantaghDem]

....how cowed the conservatives have been on this issue.

I mean, we all know how cowardly they are, and how the truth is an inconvenience at best for them, but come on! Rumsfeld and Rice admit that the Bush Administration has been lying about Saddam and 9/11 and we hear NOTHING?

How consistent.
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[Nattydread]

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[Yonivore]

Quote:WantaghDem:

"I mean, we all know how cowardly they are, and how the truth is an inconvenience at best for them, but come on! Rumsfeld and Rice admit that the Bush Administration has been lying about Saddam and 9/11 and we hear NOTHING?"
What, exactly, were the lies and when were they told. I've been perusing through the White House press files and looking at all the major Presidential addresses, speeches, and releases. I can't find anywhere that the President said Iraq was involved in the September 11 attacks.

Please point to your sources. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Nattydread]

Cause thats the REPUBLICAN POLL that says..70% of Americans agreed with bush attacking Iraq because they believed Iraq was involved in 9/11!

Can't find the reports..what! You forget WMD...that great big ol MUSHROOM cloud bush was going to prevent from occuring in America by..ATTACAKING IRAQ!

Maybe you are right..I've been saying it myself..maybe they are stupid after-all!
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[Yonivore]

Yeah, I forget...point to one instance, one recorded source, where the Bush Administration said that Iraq was involved in the September 11 attacks. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[WantaghDem]

I guess the conservative apologists' point boils down to this:

When saying that Saddam IS responsible for 9/11, it really depends on what the meaning of IS, is!



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[Yonivore]

Typical Demoncrat tactics...repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. You think that if you keep saying the Bush Administration is lying it'll be the truth.

Exactly what was the lie? Really, If only you'd point to a lie told by the Bush Administration. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:Donald Rumsfeld was CLEAR - he said CLEARLY that he had no reason to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussn had a hand in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States!!!

And Condoleeza Rice claimed yesterday that, in fact, the Administration NEVER CLAIMED that Saddam was connected to 9/11!!!!
The administration claimed that the Al Qaeda network was connected to the Iraqi regime.
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[Yonivore]

Quote:NYIndependence:

"The administration claimed that the Al Qaeda network was connected to the Iraqi regime."
Jeeze!!! You Demoncrats are hard to pin down. When? When did the administration claim that the Al Qaeda network was connected to the Iraqi regime?" Really, just point to the claim. What speech? Which address? What Press Conference?

Transcripts of every public statement made by President Bush, Secretary Rumsfeld, Advisor Rice, Vice President Cheney, and Secretary of State Powell are available. Find the quote...or, just tell me when, and I'll go read the transcript of that speech and find the quote myself.

Why are you making this so hard? It seems such a simple question...when did the Administration make that claim?

I know the media says the administration made the claim. I know you Demoncrats say the administration made the claim...but, where is the empirical truth that the claim was made?
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[Nattydread]

Its not just Americans who were mislead you DOLT! It was the entire WORLD!! They..WE Kept say OVER...AND ..OVER...AND..OVER...again to bush that war was not warranted with Iraq!

IRAQ POSED NO THREAT TO AMERICA!

NO GI IN IRAQ TODAY HAS MADE..IS MAKING ANY AMERICAN SAFE IN AMERICA!!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???

Somebody please help me....HOW DENSE CAN THESE REPUBLICANS BE!!!

I was wonering what that circle meant beside your handle...but now I know..it represents a black-hole of emptiness...you are so dense!
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[Yonivore]

You can't answer the question, can you?

And you don't know that Saddam Hussn posed no threat. Hell, it took 4 months to find buried jets...how much more difficult could it be to find evidence of other weapons?

Besides, what would explain Hussn's obstinance and failure to comply with the U.N. Resolutions?

Also, Weapons of Mass Destruction and Terrorist ties weren't the only reason's given for going to war. I suggest you re-read the transcripts of both of President Bush's speeches to the United Nations and also Secretary Powell's speech to the United Nations.

Sure, the belief that Iraq possessed WMD and the belief that he was engaged in ties to terrorism were forwarded. But, there were a whole laundry list of abuses listed in relation to the 17 U.N. resolutions, human rights abuses, etcs...

In fact, none of you Demoncrats have yet shown me where the Administration declared that Saddam Hussn WAS involved in terrorism or the September 11 attacks. Also, no one can seem to explain what Saddam Hussn did with the chemical weapons he was know to have in 1998 (according to UNSCOM and President Clinton). All he needed to do was trutghfully declare the disposition of those weapons...but, he refused.

I think it's reasonable to believe he still had them. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[WantaghDem]

First, as far as I'm concerned, Yodelbore is PNG.

Second:

"Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday clouded the issue by saying, "It's not surprising people make that connection" between Saddam and the attacks. Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," also repeated an allegation ? doubted by many in the intelligence community ? that Mohamed Atta, the lead Sept. 11 attacker, met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Prague five months before Sept. 11. "We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, ther in terms of confirming it or discrediting it," Cheney said Sunday. However, other U.S. authorities have said information gathered on Atta's movement show he was on the U.S. Coast when that meeting supposedly took place.

Critics of the Bush administration have pointed to statements like Cheney's as evidence that the administration was exaggerating al-Qaida's prewar links with Saddam to help justify the U.S.-led war against Iraq.

A recent poll indicated that nearly 70 percent of Americans believed the Iraqi leader probably was personally involved. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Tuesday, "I've not seen any indication that would lead me to believe that I could say that."

The administration has argued that Saddam's government had close links to al-Qaida, the terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden that masterminded the Sept. 11 attacks.

On Sunday, for example, Cheney said that success in stabilizing and democratizing Iraq would strike a major blow at the "the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9-11."

Bush himself has taken to referring to Iraq as the central front in the war against terror.

And Tuesday, in an interview on ABC's "Nightline," White House national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said that one of the reasons Bush went to war against Saddam was because he posed a threat in "a region from which the 9-11 threat emerged."

And this is only recently. They clearly lied, and they clearly CYA'd.....but obviously, not enough.

This is from March 14 2003 Christian Science Monitor:

"In his prime-time press conference last week, which focused almost solely on Iraq, President Bush mentioned Sept. 11 ght times. He referred to Saddam Hussn many more times than that, often in the same breath with Sept. 11.

Bush never pinned blame for the attacks directly on the Iraqi president. Still, the overall effect was to rnforce an impression that persists among much of the American public: that the Iraqi dictator did play a direct role in the attacks. A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussn was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

Sources knowledgeable about US intelligence say there is no evidence that Hussn played a role in the Sept. 11 attacks, nor that he has been or is currently aiding Al Qaeda. Yet the White House appears to be encouraging this false impression, as it seeks to maintain American support for a possible war against Iraq and demonstrate seriousness of purpose to Hussn's regime.

"The administration has succeeded in creating a sense that there is some connection [between Sept. 11 and Saddam Hussn]," says Steven Kull, director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland.

Polling data show that right after Sept. 11, 2001, when Americans were asked open-ended questions about who was behind the attacks, only 3 percent mentioned Iraq or Hussn. But by January of this year, attitudes had been transformed. In a Knight Ridder poll, 44 percent of Americans reported that ther "most" or "some" of the Sept. 11 hijackers were Iraqi citizens. The answer is zero."


For anyone who is not clouded by ideology - or severe mental illness (is there a real difference?) - this is clear.

THEY LIED

THEY'RE GONE
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[Yonivore]

In other words, the Bush Administration believed Saddam Hussn was involved in terrorism and possibly in the September 11 attacks. I would bet, as I've stated, they still believe that...but, as they stated today, they have no proof to support that.

I'm going to read the Press Conference transcripts referenced in your post just to see what relationship President Bush did draw between al Qaeda and Hussn. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Edmond Dantes]

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[Yonivore]

Nah, that's just wishful Demoncratic thinking you smell. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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