Cascade system for refilling o/2 bottles

[Unregistered one]

Any one have any info on in house re-filling of oxegen bottles?I know that more then one person was injured years ago with this type of system.I am against the use of it personally.Can a dept expect to save money versus paying for refilled bottles,can it be made safe enough to use in house?How much work would it be to keep up with a dept answering one thousand calls a year,two thousand,three thousand? One injury,one ambulance with empty o-2 bottles onboard would negate any finiancial savings ever .Anyone still using such a system,anyone recently give one up and,why? Thanks.

[goldmember88]

Cascade sytems refill breathing air... NOT oxygen. I know of no FD's or VAC's that refill there oxygen tanks.

[Unregisteredddddddddd]

Cascade sytems refill breathing air... NOT oxygen. I know of no FD's or VAC's that refill there oxygen tanks.


I know of at l 3 LARGE dept.'s in Nassau cty. alone that use this system to refill thr "d" cyl.'s

[ITCANBEDONE]

There are cascade systems for refilling o2 also.

http://www.breathingair.com/PDFs/M2781.pdf

[r u kidding or what?]

I know this question kept you up all night. FIrst off, If a depratment is indeed doing what you alledge, then I am sure they are using proper equipment, training, and rule guidlines. Do something more creative, go back your wife, friend, girlfriend, boyfriend, dog, cat, hamster, rabbit, sheep, lamb chop, vacuum, or whatever stirs your boat, but stop trying to invoke an arguement on this site

[Unregistered911o2tanks]

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Originally Posted by goldmember88 View Post
Cascade sytems refill breathing air... NOT oxygen. I know of no FD's or VAC's that refill there oxygen tanks.


I know of at l 3 LARGE dept.'s in Nassau cty. alone that use this system to refill thr "d" cyl.'s

AND suffolk..... it wasn't for breathing air it was OXYGEN.... they don't refill thr own anymore...

[Ozone]

= o3

[Coram Fire Past Member]

Any one have any info on in house re-filling of oxegen bottles?I know that more then one person was injured years ago with this type of system.I am against the use of it personally.Can a dept expect to save money versus paying for refilled bottles,can it be made safe enough to use in house?How much work would it be to keep up with a dept answering one thousand calls a year,two thousand,three thousand? One injury,one ambulance with empty o-2 bottles onboard would negate any finiancial savings ever .Anyone still using such a system,anyone recently give one up and,why? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by goldmember88 View Post
Cascade sytems refill breathing air... NOT oxygen. I know of no FD's or VAC's that refill there oxygen tanks.




AND suffolk..... it wasn't for breathing air it was OXYGEN.... they don't refill thr own anymore...

If you are talking about the incident in the Coram FD from 1993 where FF Dennis Rodd lost his life He was refilling a Scott Bottle with AIR, it was an older type system (by today’s standers) were the bottle was put into an open box call a fracture pack, the new systems have a locked box for refilling the bottles now and are very safe and Coram does still refill there own Bottles

[medicxxxx]

There are a few places thst do refill thr own O2 bottles for the ambulances and fly cars. Off the top of my head...CVAC and SBUH EMS

[Unregistered64389444]

what are the benefits of filling your own o2??

[Unregistered???]

Seems dangerous and not very cost effective. It is probably less expense to have them refilled by a service, than to lay out the money for a complete inhouse sytem the payback for such an out lay of money would be dozens of years.

[BaileyLI]

It is cheaper to do it your self then to have one of the vendors rip you off...

[BaileyLI]

It is cheaper to do it yourself then to have a vendor rip you off.

[Unregisteredboom]

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[Unregisteredo2user]

Filling O2 tanks in house is by far less expensive than through an outside vendor. Set up fees for the cascade system and cost to secure the tanks is re-coupable within a year of installation. Thereafter savings is based on amount of usage. One example of savings is almost $4,000 per year. Reason, no more fuel surcharges, no more tank rental costs (except for the casade tanks) no more delivery charges. Safety is paramount and with the newest valve systems allowing for filling "e" & "s" tanks without over heating, there is no more danger than simply changing an "e" tank in an O2 bag after a run.

And let's get it straight, O2 does not simply explode if exposed to flame. O2 is an excellerant. It makes things burn faster. I have known individuals who have smoked cigarettes while filling O2 bottles and have never had an incident. (though this practice is not suggested) Lastly, individual volunteers or paid personel can fill O2 tanks in house safely once properly trained.

[Unregistered02user2]

believe excellerant should have read accellerant. Sorry.