How BushCo intimidates...

[Purity]

Amanpour: CNN practiced self-censorship

Biased leftwinged media? Hahahaha.
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[Halcyeon]

No Bushists reacted to this? Surprise, surprise
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[Billybob]

I've noticed that if anybody writes a really detailed, intelligent rebuttal to one of our GOP writers out there, there will be no response.

It's just an illustration of how the human brain tends to discount information that doesn't fit into the person's prejudices.

Let's get over that, okay?
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[Yonivore]

Okay, I'm new, I'll bite.

I read the article the other day but, read it again just now to make sure I came to the same conclusion.

Ms. Ammanpour doesn't detail any specific act, of intimidation or otherwise, to support the the claim they were intimidated by the Bush Administration.

In fact, she goes into great detail about how they "self" censored.

I don't see where President Bush or the administration need any defense here. Seems to me that CNN is the one that is culpable for not reporting the news.

By the way, aren't these the same guys that said they didn't report the news in Iraq accurately so they could maintain access to a despotic and hnous regime? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Billybob]

Well, what the article is saying, is that the Bush administration helped create a climate where reporters were unwilling to ask important questions about the news of the day.

"I think the press was muzzled, and I think the press self-muzzled. I'm sorry to say, but certainly television and, perhaps, to a certain extent, my station was intimidated by the administration and its foot soldiers at Fox News. "

This certainly is true. Helen Thomas, the most revered White House Associated Press journalist for over 50 years was quite obviously punished by the White Hosue when she gave an interview saying George W. Bush is the worst president of our time. This is a HIGHLY respected journalist, who all of a sudden no longer got the first question (or any question) in White House press interviews. So, what kind of government honors a free press, and yet punished journlists for saying unfavorable things? The Bush administration!

SO, what Ms. Ammanpour is saying is that there was tremendous pressure from the Bush adminstration to NOT print unfavorable stories, or not ask certain questions (and the list of not-to-be-asked questions grows every day). Because of this, the corporate media rolled over and didn't challenge Bushco at all. Well, RARELY.

Hmmm, and do you think this phenomenon has ANYTHING to do with the GOP-backed plan to extend corporate ownership of the media? Hmmmmm.....
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[Chomps]

She complains of intimidation, yet cites no specifics.


Brown then asked Amanpour if there was any story during the war that she couldn't report.

"It's not a question of couldn't do it, it's a question of tone," Amanpour said. "It's a question of bng rigorous."

It looks as though she feels she can't do her job...then leave.

This is the same reporter who supports the Palestinians.


Was she complaining a few years ago when CNN was NOT reporting some of the mass killings in Iraq. Do you guys remember thats tory a few months ago when the CNN reported said that teh network was not telling of all the atrocity's happening in Iraq. Who was pressuring her then. Did she go on Tina Brown and make the same complaints? I think not.


If you don't like what you are doing..leave and start your own 'progressive" news network with Al Franken

Then

[Yonivore]

Quote:Billybob:

"Well, what the article is saying, is that the Bush administration helped create a climate where reporters were unwilling to ask important questions about the news of the day."

Quote:Ms. Ammanpour:
"I think the press was muzzled, and I think the press self-muzzled. I'm sorry to say, but certainly television and, perhaps, to a certain extent, my station was intimidated by the administration and its foot soldiers at Fox[/quote]
I understood what the article said...what the article, and Ms. Ammanpour, failed to do was provide any anectdotal evidence that such a climate WAS actually bng fostered by the Bush Administration. Merely "thinking" the press is muzzled and demonstrating there was a policy of intimidation are two entirely different things.

I believe the article was seriously lacking and bordered on irresponsible for letting her rant like that without giving any proof. In fact, there was a report out the next day saying she had been "dressed down" by her bosses for doing so.
Quote:Billybob:

"This certainly is true. Helen Thomas, the most revered White House Associated Press journalist for over 50 years was quite obviously punished by the White Hosue when she gave an interview saying George W. Bush is the worst president of our time. This is a HIGHLY respected journalist, who all of a sudden no longer got the first question (or any question) in White House press interviews. So, what kind of government honors a free press, and yet punished journlists for saying unfavorable things? The Bush administration!"
Okay, calling Helen Thomas "the most revered" journalist and "HIGHLY respected" is a value judgement with which most, if not all, non-liberals would vehemently disagree.

Ms. Thomas, an unabashed and unapologetic liberal, made a clearly partisan attack on the President. I don't blame him for demoting her status in the press pool. She's a nut!
Quote:Billybob:

"SO, what Ms. Ammanpour is saying is that there was tremendous pressure from the Bush adminstration to NOT print unfavorable stories, or not ask certain questions (and the list of not-to-be-asked questions grows every day). Because of this, the corporate media rolled over and didn't challenge Bushco at all. Well, RARELY."
I don't recall her saying how this "tremendous pressure" manifested itself and I certainly don't recall her producing a list of "not-to-be-asked" questions that grew every day.
Quote:Billybob:

"Hmmm, and do you think this phenomenon has ANYTHING to do with the GOP-backed plan to extend corporate ownership of the media? Hmmmmm....."
Well, since I don't see your point there and, further, since I find Ms. Ammanpour's claims to be rather dubious, I guess the answer would be no, it has nothing to do with your latest percved "vast right-wing conspiracy." ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[WantaghDem]

"This is the same reporter who supports the Palestinians."

And you know this.......how?
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[Yonivore]

Quote:WantaghDem:

"And you know this.......how?"
You're absolutely right, her obvious deference to Yassar Arafat could just be an extension of the policy in which CNN engaged in pre-war Iraq.

What is that doctrine you say?

"In order to maintain access to a murderous regime we will not report on the horrors of that murderous regime." ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[WantaghDem]

...Yonivore is not only false, but an outright liar.

"In order to maintain access to a murderous regime we will not report on the horrors of that murderous regime."

can you give us the time date and location that amanpour said this?

what's that? you can't, because you've made it up? OOOHHHHHH, ok LIAR.

"her obvious deference to Yassar Arafat "

which was when, exactly? you seem to think that your opinion is fact....give us some examples of this supposed deference, or stop lying about it.

And we know, as a conservative, you can't do ther!


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[Billybob]

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand the relationships of the people involved here. You seem to think that if something isn't implicitly stated, it does not exist. I'm sorry, but there is no memo from G.W saying literally, "if you don't report what we want you to report, there will be consequences."

Have you ever worked in a corporation? Do you know how pressures from management affect your ability to do your job? And management, in this case, is an ever-shrinking number of CEOs who are very loyal to the Republican party. If you haven't noticed (from your reply, I would guess you haven't been following this situation), the FCC voted (STRICTLY along party lines. The Republicans were in favor, of course) to expand the number of stations the corporate media giants can own. In other words, something that would ONLY benefit the corporate media. Good thing they didn't say anything bad about Bush!

I mean really, this thing happens all the time. Corporate interests interfere with democracy, pure and simple. Why you would deny this so emphatically is beyond me. I think it's because you only get your news from cable.

And then you cite Ms. Ammanpour's bng punished for speaking out as evidence that she was lying? No, she's bng punished for the comments she made!

And then Chomps mentions how CNN didn't cover the mass killings in Iraq. First of all, which mass killings were those? The ones that occured in the 80s while that America defended? But in ther case, are you so ridiculous to blame CNN for not covering, YEARS AGO, the atrocities in Iraq. How about NOW, when news organizations refuse to cover the mass killing in the Congo or Libya, which are FAR worse than Iraq. Or how about in South America, where covert American military missions terrorize farmers and replace elected leaders with dictators? Do you think these things have never happened?

I think an important lesson to learn is this:

The more power is centralized (like the corporate media, and Bush's administration), the more likely it is that one ideology will dominate the landscape. And those in power rarely hold themselves accountable for thr actions. Do you KNOW how many accused war criminals are functioning in the American government?

I think we need DECENTRALIZED power. That goes for government (which is how this country is SUPPOSED to work) and the newsmedia.

Here's an exercise; look in the back of a dictionary (or look it up online), and find the US constitution. Read through the bill of rights, ALL OF THEM, and tell me this is how our government ACTUALLY operates. It really is a pretty good document.
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[Yonivore]

I think Ms. Ammanpour's unsupported whining about bng intimidated by the Bush administration is a slap in the face and a spit on the grave of every journalist that ever faced political, persecutorial, or physical threats AND STILL reported the story.

She's without integrity if this is her position. Because, it doesn't take courage to accuse...it takes courage to show the proof. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Billybob]

So you're blaming HER for perpetuating the propaganda shat out by the Bush admin?

That seems to confirm the notion that the media DID do a disservice to us all.
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[Yonivore]

Nope, I'm saying she should put up or shut up. She's making accusation without substantiation.

In my book that makes her ther a liar or a partisan...probably both. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[Billybob]

You're not convinced by the fact that the press DIDN'T ask any serious questions of the Bush administration?

Yonivor, may I ask you where you get your news?
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[WantaghDem]

....this shabby excuse for a poster, Yonsabore - or whatever - claims that he has PROOF that Ms Amanpour SUPPORTS Palestinian terrorists, DEFERS to Arafat, and PURPOSELY does not report "murderous regimes" in order to maintain access to those regimes.

When asked for this so-called PROOF, he vanishes, tail between legs, and runs for the cover of his false illogical ideology.

YOU GOT NOTHING? YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE THOUGHT.
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[Yonivore]

You act as though you know me.

Anyway, I believe I started the questioning for which I got no answers. What proof did Ms. Ammanpour produce to support her claim of intimidation?
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[Yonivore]

Hey! Why did you yahoos let this thread go? It was just getting interesting.

I can hardly wait to hear about the Administration's intimidation tactics. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[azellyn]

Yonni?s ?argument:

Quote:Ms. Ammanpour doesn't detail any specific act, of intimidation or otherwise, to support the the claim they were intimidated by the Bush Administration. . .

So you?re against freedom of speech huh? It figures. You?d have to be so support the treasonous crimes perpetrated by Bushco.

Quote:I believe the article was seriously lacking and bordered on irresponsible for letting her rant like that without giving any proof. In fact, there was a report out the next day saying she had been "dressed down" by her bosses for doing so.

What was the article "seriously lacking"? She provided her experience as a seasoned journalist.

Whether ?specific? examples are cited in the article or not, the experience of a journalist operating under Bushco?s rgn cannot be discounted. The example of Helen Thomas (revered or not) only adds fuel to the fire of this argument since Thomas was plainly censored by Bushco?and censored in such a way as to constitute a public hanging that set the example for any who would dare follow in her footsteps. And let?s not forget the stories that have supported Armanpour?s argument about journalists bng rounded up and held in one place for White House press conferences and even having to submit questions in advance for screening all to control the information flow from the administration to the public.

Futhermore, to suggest that if, as she says, she can?t thoroughly report a story, she should ?leave? is as idiotic as the ?suggestions? during the ?war? that if we didn?t agree with Bushco, liberals should ?leave? the country.

What is it with you people that you lack the ability to withstand and tolerate opposition? If you don?t like tolerance, you are the ones who should consider leaving to a country where tolerance does not exist--like North Korea for example. Otherwise accept the fact that we live in a democracy and deal with it.

And here you revive your infamous name calling and vitriol (?I think Ms. Ammanpour's unsupported whining about bng intimidated by the Bush administration is a slap in the face and a spit on the grave of every journalist that ever faced political, persecutorial, or physical threats AND STILL reported the story.?)

where have I heard this before. Did you have violin music playing in the background when you penned this crap? Ann Coulter is that you you bitch?






In my book that makes her ther a liar or a partisan...probably both.




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[Reality]

Quote:This certainly is true. Helen Thomas, the most revered White House Associated Press journalist for over 50 years was quite obviously punished by the White Hosue when she gave an interview saying George W. Bush is the worst president of our time. This is a HIGHLY respected journalist, who all of a sudden no longer got the first question (or any question) in White House press interviews. So, what kind of government honors a free press, and yet punished journlists for saying unfavorable things? The Bush administration!

Helen Thomas is nothing but an embarassing nuisance at a press conference. She makes statements in the form of ridiculous questions, with more ridiculous follow ups and won't shut up. She reeks of partisan politics and is antagonistic in her approach to journalism. She tries to look intelligent but only succeeds in making herself look like a fool. In the interest of decorum, the President does not call on her anymore, althoughI think it's a matter of pity more than anything else
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[azellyn]

and that applies (or it should) a thousand times more the president of the united states who should be able to tolerate all the evils that you claim are embodied in Thomas.

Sounds to me like you are a bunch of crybabies who can't tolerate opposition. Get over it and grow up.
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[Reality]

There is a difference between opposition and trying to make a President look bad in public. The President (no matter who it is or from what party) should be given the respect due the office in public by the press corps. When Helen Thomas tries to humiliate the President she not only embarasses herself, she demeans the office and her fellow journalists, many of whom I am sure find her actions distasteful. Let's face it, the only reason she is tolerated is because she has tenure at the press conferences, and it's politically incorrect to pick on anyone elderly. The thing is, she's old enough to know better.
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[wookibender]

Quote:I can hardly wait to hear about the Administration's intimidation tactics.

Ari Flscher, the White House Press Secretary said this in a press meeting... "There are reminders to all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do, and this is not a time for remarks like that; there never is." Responding to remarks by Bill Maher
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Here's what I have observed of the media and our government...

First was the Patriot Act. It was rushed through the senate during the time when the public was very angry and wanted revenge on Al Qaida. If anyone spoke out against it then it was viewed by the BushCo and many other senators and politicians that you were not a patriot and were on the side of the enemy. That was the atmosphere the government created. They called it the Patriot act for that very reason, few would vote against it for fear of bng called un-american.

I feel like the general population really didn't want to hear the turth or anyone's arguements during the first year after 9/11 because everyone was so bent on reverenge and kicking terrorist ass. Critizing the government and BushCo was forbidden in the mainstream media by management for fear that the general population would be turned off by its un-patriotic support, and for fear of loosing ad revenue in what is already a very difficult advertising market. Along with the fear of the Patriot act that allows the goverment to monitor you for things you say.

Here's some examples.... a growing number of journalists who?ve lost thr jobs or columns due to thr views on war.

MSNBC cancelled Phil Donahue?s show. A leaked internal memo claimed that Donahue would present ?a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war. He seems to delight in presenting guests who are anti-war, anti-Bush and skeptical of the administration?s motives.? The report warned the Donahue show could be ?a home for the liberal anti-war agenda at the same time as our competitors are waving the flag at every opportunity.?

Brent Flynn, a reporter for the Lewisville Leader in Texas, was told he could no longer write a column for the paper in which he had expressed anti-war views.

Kurt Houghly, a reporter and columnist for Michigan?s Huron Daily Tribune, quit the paper after allegedly bng told that an anti-war column he?d written would not run because it might upset readers.

War Correspondent Peter Arnett was fired from NBC after he told Iraqi TV, in which he said the war ?planners had ?misjudged the determination of Iraqi forces? and that there was ?a growing challenge to President Bush about the conduct of the war.?
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Anyway, the Ari Flscher quote is evidence of intimidation statics for you Yonivore....



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[Yonivore]

I don't view his statement as intimidation.

And, my position on Ms. Ammanpour stands. She made accusations without support (she didn't even use the Flscher quote). In short, she's a whiner. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[wookibender]

Quote: I don't view his statement as intimidation.

Then what do you view it as...
You asked for proof, I gave it to you. Now you deny it.

It very much is intimidation.
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[Yonivore]

Quote:"Then what do you view it as...
You asked for proof, I gave it to you. Now you deny it.

It very much is intimidation."
Did it intimidate you? Can you produce one media person who claims to have been intimidated by that statement? Did Ms. Ammanpour refer to that, or any other statement or action by the administration, that "proved" intimidation?

No.

That would be proof. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[wookibender]

Quote: Did it intimidate you? Can you produce one media person who claims to have been intimidated by that statement? Did Ms. Ammanpour refer to that, or any other statement or action by the administration, that "proved" intimidation?

No.

That would be proof.

After reading many of your other threads, I have determined that you fail to see the bigger picture. You are asking me and others to provide proof of things that are just minor intimidation tactics that all add up to a large presence of intimidation. It is ridiculous to prove each little statement made by the government was in fact the reason why this or that person felt intimidated. You know and I know that it can't be done.
It is a combination of factors such as supporting the Patriot Act, the boycotting of goods from France, the rules our government places on our media to not show dead bodies in the war, fear of loosing advertising, public perception of the war... They all add up to INTIMIDATION. If you can't understand that then you are helpless.

When you try to argue about our justification for going to war with IRAQ, you are using statements from our government that have not been proven factual. But then you can say this...
Quote:one might draw the "reasonable" conclusion that you have something to hide.

So it "reasonable" to conclude in some threads and it's not in others?

Is it not reasonable to conclude that the media felt Intimidated?

You are bng hypocritical in your statements Yonivore.
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[Yonivore]

Hey, you're the one that gave one statement as proof of a pattern of intimidation. Not me.

In fact, the way I remember it, the media was pretty indignant about Ari Flscher's remark. Made pretty big deal about it. Got all big in the chest and everything.

I don't recall anyone saying the Administration was trying to intimidate them, just that Ari Flscher was bng a little whacko. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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