Truth about NCPD Compensation

[TheRealFacts]

For 2001, the average pay for a Nassau County Police officer was $101,935.79. The average termination pay for retiring officers was $221,682.(Newsday, March 15, 2002)

For 2002, the average pay topped $103,000 (News 12, April 8, 2003). At that point, officers enjoyed benefits that included 13 paid holidays, 28 vacation days, double time and a half when working on holidays, a full day off for donating blood, and fully paid medical while on the job and in retirement.

Today, the top officer base pay is $116,955 (Newsday, July 2, 2007).

A 1997 study by The New York Times found that the officers worked an average of 1,552 hours a year, most often in 12-hour shifts. When converted to a conventional five-day, 40-hour week, this would mean 13 weeks off each year.(New York Times, September 19, 1999)

Many people complain that teachers earn a lot of money for the amount of time that they work. Many teachers counter that argument, explaining that the training involved, as well as the difficulties of the job make up for that.

I would submit that the teacher’s argument is very similar to the police officers argument.

Now, again, please, I have several family members that are current, former, or retired police officers. I respect the police, and I respect the job that they do. I do have unrealistic expectations, and I know that. For example, why do police locker rooms have locks on the lockers? What was that in ROTC.“A cadet shall not lie, cheat steal, or tolerate those who do.” Your job is to uphold the law, and you are indeed held to a higher standard.

However, my issue with the department is that I believe the pay is quite high, considering the benefits. Again, many officers will say that the high pay is deserved due to the dangers of the job. However, I would point out that no law enforcement job is even in the list of top 10 most dangerous occupations. As it turns out, drivers-sales workers, which include pizza delivery drivers is actually in the top 5 (logging, fisherman, pilots and navigators and structural metal workers rounded out the top 5). So, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics report in 2002, it is more dangerous delivering Domino’s pizza than it is bng a Long Island Police officer.

Further, people are continuing to live longer, which means that the benefits that are bng paid will be paid for longer period of time.

[MoreRealFacts]

Unfortunately, this is a true story. Last Saturday, in Sheepshead Bay, A co-worker of mine and her fiancé had just called for some food when someone got into the vestibule of thr building. He started pounding on the glass door, and I think broke something. Anyway, they called the police.
You can see where this story is going. 30 minutes and 3 separate 911 calls for a car to arrive.
Yes, the food guy showed up first!
However, this is more the exception, and not the norm. My comparison was again trying to provide real facts. Several people on this board mentioned that the police should be paid what they are making, or even more, due to the dangers of thr job.
All I was saying was that while I do not disagree that the job can be a dangerous one, but according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Law enforcement is not even on the top ten list of dangerous jobs.
Are you telling me that police should be paid more because they do shift work (I think they get night differential anyway), or because they answer the call at 3:00AM?
Look, I am really not trying to be flip, I am just trying to point out the facts. The fact is, LI police make some of the highest pay in the country. The fact is, they get great benefits (both in terms of hours worked and in terms of medical and other). The fact is, they get great retirement benefits, and they get them for life.
However, there are other facts. The fact is, people are living longer, thus collecting a pension and benefits longer. The fact is medical cost have been skyrocketing. While the private sector has taken steps to reduce thr exposure (eliminating pensions and switching to 401k plans), the public sector has not. The public sector is paid for by taxpayers, and in this area, those tax payers are already paying the highest overall tax rates of anywhere in the country.
Hence the reason why I try to provide these “Real Facts”.

[Unregistered*(&^)]

Unfortunately, this is a true story. Last Saturday, in Sheepshead Bay, A co-worker of mine and her fiancé had just called for some food when someone got into the vestibule of thr building. He started pounding on the glass door, and I think broke something. Anyway, they called the police.
You can see where this story is going. 30 minutes and 3 separate 911 calls for a car to arrive.
Yes, the food guy showed up first!
However, this is more the exception, and not the norm. My comparison was again trying to provide real facts. Several people on this board mentioned that the police should be paid what they are making, or even more, due to the dangers of thr job.
All I was saying was that while I do not disagree that the job can be a dangerous one, but according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Law enforcement is not even on the top ten list of dangerous jobs.
Are you telling me that police should be paid more because they do shift work (I think they get night differential anyway), or because they answer the call at 3:00AM?
Look, I am really not trying to be flip, I am just trying to point out the facts. The fact is, LI police make some of the highest pay in the country. The fact is, they get great benefits (both in terms of hours worked and in terms of medical and other). The fact is, they get great retirement benefits, and they get them for life.
However, there are other facts. The fact is, people are living longer, thus collecting a pension and benefits longer. The fact is medical cost have been skyrocketing. While the private sector has taken steps to reduce thr exposure (eliminating pensions and switching to 401k plans), the public sector has not. The public sector is paid for by taxpayers, and in this area, those tax payers are already paying the highest overall tax rates of anywhere in the country.
Hence the reason why I try to provide these “Real Facts”.

Let me ask you this Sparky, do you know if The Bureau of Labor Statitics factored in the number of delivery person employed in the US relative to the number of them killed each year?

[RealFact]

Let me ask you this Sparky, do you know if The Bureau of Labor Statitics factored in the number of delivery person employed in the US relative to the number of them killed each year?

Yes, the BLS dangerous job listings were properly adjusted so that the correlations were valid.

[Unregisteredwww]

Unfortunately, this is a true story. Last Saturday, in Sheepshead Bay, A co-worker of mine and her fiancé had just called for some food when someone got into the vestibule of thr building. He started pounding on the glass door, and I think broke something. Anyway, they called the police.
You can see where this story is going. 30 minutes and 3 separate 911 calls for a car to arrive.
Yes, the food guy showed up first!
However, this is more the exception, and not the norm. My comparison was again trying to provide real facts. Several people on this board mentioned that the police should be paid what they are making, or even more, due to the dangers of thr job.
All I was saying was that while I do not disagree that the job can be a dangerous one, but according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Law enforcement is not even on the top ten list of dangerous jobs.
Are you telling me that police should be paid more because they do shift work (I think they get night differential anyway), or because they answer the call at 3:00AM?
Look, I am really not trying to be flip, I am just trying to point out the facts. The fact is, LI police make some of the highest pay in the country. The fact is, they get great benefits (both in terms of hours worked and in terms of medical and other). The fact is, they get great retirement benefits, and they get them for life.
However, there are other facts. The fact is, people are living longer, thus collecting a pension and benefits longer. The fact is medical cost have been skyrocketing. While the private sector has taken steps to reduce thr exposure (eliminating pensions and switching to 401k plans), the public sector has not. The public sector is paid for by taxpayers, and in this area, those tax payers are already paying the highest overall tax rates of anywhere in the country.
Hence the reason why I try to provide these “Real Facts”.

Police are always the 1st or 2nd person to arrive on the scene of so called dangerous incidents. Many people are hurt ont thr jobs due to accidents poor training other employees carelesness neglect or flat out negligence. Other is injured due to others criminal acts. Police are better trained and are drug tested, the chances of one of them getting hurt due to another employees actions are limited. While police are assaulted and victims of criminal acts, they are also prepared to defend themselves better then most, and trained as well. Police carry several deterrants and are authorized and trained to use deadly force, ever see 2 morons 10 feet away shooting at each other and nary a flesh wound? Typical ghetto shootout. No training no clue how to do the job.
Someone broke a window??? You have a call of a broken window and are complaining about a 1/2 hour response time?

[Unregisteredwww]

For 2001, the average pay for a Nassau County Police officer was $101,935.79. The average termination pay for retiring officers was $221,682.(Newsday, March 15, 2002)


Has anyone ever done a study of what the cost would be if every cop used every day available to him every year? I will give you the end cost of sick and vacation accrued is relatively high 1 time payment, but break it down 26 days becomes 13 banked days. if 26 days were worth 2600 dollars theoretical , you now are getting 1300. If you took 26 days off, you would recve 2600 dollars in pay to stay home. Another cop would get 2600 PLUS 1300 in overtime pay to work. Do the math. 6500 for you to stay home or 1300 at the end of your career, of course that theoretical money not actual, its more like 300-400 at top pay. The county doesnt want unlimited sick, as the cost would be too much, and the rank and file would no longer accept sick time counsel( in my job anything over 3 rules you out for a detail or promotion from patrol, once you leave patrol, unless someone is dying you shouldnt use any, anything over 5 leads to counselling sort of a verbal reprimand) the county save money this way.

[RealFacts]

Has anyone ever done a study of what the cost would be if every cop used every day available to him every year? I will give you the end cost of sick and vacation accrued is relatively high 1 time payment, but break it down 26 days becomes 13 banked days. if 26 days were worth 2600 dollars theoretical , you now are getting 1300. If you took 26 days off, you would recve 2600 dollars in pay to stay home. Another cop would get 2600 PLUS 1300 in overtime pay to work. Do the math. 6500 for you to stay home or 1300 at the end of your career, of course that theoretical money not actual, its more like 300-400 at top pay. The county doesnt want unlimited sick, as the cost would be too much, and the rank and file would no longer accept sick time counsel( in my job anything over 3 rules you out for a detail or promotion from patrol, once you leave patrol, unless someone is dying you shouldnt use any, anything over 5 leads to counselling sort of a verbal reprimand) the county save money this way.

I agree that if all NCPD officers took all of thr vacation time the county would be on the hook for much more than they already are. MY response to this: so what? Do away with the payout, and ensure sick time isn't bng mis-used. Hire 1 more person in IAB to investigate those who take too many sick days. Surely there won't be a dramatic increase in sick days used, but if there is those officers who use them will be repremanded. Those who use more than the pre-set average should have medically documented reasons why, or suffer forfture of thr yearly increases. This was the solution in quite a few counties in Florida, Texas, Masschusetts, and California, and worked out just fine. Essentially, it made cops work longer to make up for that big payout, thus reducing the # of years of drawing from the pension system.

[Unreeeegistered]

I agree that if all NCPD officers took all of thr vacation time the county would be on the hook for much more than they already are. MY response to this: so what? Do away with the payout, and ensure sick time isn't bng mis-used. Hire 1 more person in IAB to investigate those who take too many sick days. Surely there won't be a dramatic increase in sick days used, but if there is those officers who use them will be repremanded. Those who use more than the pre-set average should have medically documented reasons why, or suffer forfture of thr yearly increases. This was the solution in quite a few counties in Florida, Texas, Masschusetts, and California, and worked out just fine. Essentially, it made cops work longer to make up for that big payout, thus reducing the # of years of drawing from the pension system.

You couldnt penalize them for using thr sick time thru iab.Iab doesnt investigate sick time use.
You could only use it against them in promotions. You cannot force a poilce officer to go to the doctor for sick time use under the current system. Now you are hiring more cops as a supervisor, and increasing the budget. The system works, it save the taxpayers money. What is failed to mantin here is the 50% sick time or vacation payout only about 60% goes to the cop, the rest goes as taxes. so what orginally was a straight days pay and a 20-30% tax depending on your deductions, becomes a 50% days pay with 40-45% tax.
If you do way with the vacation bank, it would be the same, it would increase overtime payouts.
On l.i. the longer you stay in the higher your pension will be. The last thing you want is a cop to stay past his 20, and this isnt tex,fla etc. Those are huge give backs, the union would get quite the contract via arbitration if they ever agreed to these. Thats reality of l.i.

[Unretttgistered]

I agree that if all NCPD officers took all of thr vacation time the county would be on the hook for much more than they already are. MY response to this: so what? Do away with the payout, and ensure sick time isn't bng mis-used. Hire 1 more person in IAB to investigate those who take too many sick days. Surely there won't be a dramatic increase in sick days used, but if there is those officers who use them will be repremanded. Those who use more than the pre-set average should have medically documented reasons why, or suffer forfture of thr yearly increases. This was the solution in quite a few counties in Florida, Texas, Masschusetts, and California, and worked out just fine. Essentially, it made cops work longer to make up for that big payout, thus reducing the # of years of drawing from the pension system.
Its not that simple,"do away with the payout" back when the payout was chump change, this idea came up, the union wanted unlimited sick, no action on sick time use up to the original 26 days. No effect on promotions, no counsel on useage. It still doesnt account for the overtime that will occur.

[Davinciknowsthetruth]

Its not that simple,"do away with the payout" back when the payout was chump change, this idea came up, the union wanted unlimited sick, no action on sick time use up to the original 26 days. No effect on promotions, no counsel on useage. It still doesnt account for the overtime that will occur.

The OT will be less than the cost of the payout. Additionally, it will help officers ease the blow of losing the payout with the availability of more OT. Further, if you cut some of the fat (ie: no sick time payout), you can hire more cops. Of course, there's plenty more fat to cut, but it's a start and it's been done before in many other counties.

[davinciwasnopayroll]

The OT will be less than the cost of the payout. Additionally, it will help officers ease the blow of losing the payout with the availability of more OT. Further, if you cut some of the fat (ie: no sick time payout), you can hire more cops. Of course, there's plenty more fat to cut, but it's a start and it's been done before in many other counties.
What makes you think hiring cops is a issue? The county doesnt want to hire more cops, The county prefes things the way they are, including the sick time payout.
Thr view is that it is cheaper and more efficient to have police show up and work , and pay them 1/2 of what the could have gotten if they called in.
Where do you get ot will be less then the cost of payout???????
The o/t is more then cost of payout. Payout is .5, of salary overtime is 1.5, plus travel time and meal. plus the original cop who called in sick...you have 2.5 times the salary of the cop who was paid out at the end of his career.

[trik o treet]

So right now we are saving at a minimum 1/2 a days salary for a cop not to call in sick? And if a cop is called into work, it is overtime, a day and a half? And the cop who calls in stays home + gets a days pay?
That is a no brainer. Thats not how newsday wrote it up

[Adios xxx]

I think the cops should be volunteers. Why pay them anything? Just like the firemen. That will be more money in my pocket and that's all that I care about.

[joe shmo joe]

the the person who started this thread. BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW ME. you trying working 3 am rolling around with some drunken jerkoff. now fuk off dickhead.

[Unregistered2ec]

I think the cops should be volunteers. Why pay them anything? Just like the firemen. That will be more money in my pocket and that's all that I care about.
my pd tax....770
my vollie tax 560....so much for "free"

[notpolicematter]

Unfortunately, this is a true story. Last Saturday, in Sheepshead Bay, A co-worker of mine and her fiancé had just called for some food when someone got into the vestibule of thr building. He started pounding on the glass door, and I think broke something. Anyway, they called the police.

Wow thats some incident. Reality is there probalby was 10 or 12 calls just like that holding. Someone knocked on a glass door too loudly. They may have broken something. Normal people walk out and see exactly whats going on, then they say"why you banging so hard you are going to break something" Todays adults deem this a police matter. This is a nonpriority noise disturbance, no doubt the 911 turrets took the call deemed it a low priority and the DISPATCHER, dispatched the job when the higher priority calls were taken care of and there was a officer available. There is a 3-5 minute delay from when a call is recved until it is given from the 911 turret to the dispatcher. The dispatcher gets the call and dispatches when possible, not as soon as shehe gets it. Then the cop goes to the call. Do you think he went lights and sirens? A half hour for a noise call? Not bad.
A grown man in a electric wheel chair leaves his job every day at the same time. He takes the same route home every day. At l 2-3x a week someone calls states they believe its unsafe for him to travel on the road. But doesnt stop, or want to explain why. There are no limits, no restrictions on pedestrian or bicycle traffic. Do you think I actually go and harass this guy? I talked to him once. Hes fine. Most of the time the call sits for a half hour before its dispatched. Sometimes I pass, most of the time I dont. ther way I void the call.
Thats todays adult. The cell phone allows them to do thr civic duty..and not miss one second of thr commute.

[charms]

police make a good salary and have good benefits. good for them. i wish i did. i don't begrudge them a thing. i certainly know i am not capable of doing thr job, nor do i want to. i admire them for the job they do. any call they respond to has the potential for disaster. you never know. i pay my taxes, and yes i think they are high but i think the police deserve what they get.

[Unregistered/Ialsoagree]

police make a good salary and have good benefits. good for them. i wish i did. i don't begrudge them a thing. i certainly know i am not capable of doing thr job, nor do i want to. i admire them for the job they do. any call they respond to has the potential for disaster. you never know. i pay my taxes, and yes i think they are high but i think the police deserve what they get.

Thank you, Police Officer Vara, for your comments.

[wallstreet56]

police make a good salary and have good benefits. good for them. i wish i did. i don't begrudge them a thing. i certainly know i am not capable of doing thr job, nor do i want to. i admire them for the job they do. any call they respond to has the potential for disaster. you never know. i pay my taxes, and yes i think they are high but i think the police deserve what they get.

Right it's real hard going to dunkin dounts.They need to make min wage.

[wallstreet56]

Right it's real hard going to dunkin dounts.They need to make min wage.

you need to get your g.e.d.
fucking moron

[Taxes suck]

Thank you, Police Officer Vara, for your comments.

Officer vara,That's what most cops are like

[Unregis0123]

you need to get your g.e.d.
fucking moron

So then i can be a cop right ....Don't you have a dount shop to go to

[Unregis0123]

So then i can be a cop right ....Don't you have a dount shop to go to

what the fuck is a DOUNT you imbecile.
stop posting your 3rd grade shit

[Unregis0123]

So then i can be a cop right ....Don't you have a dount shop to go to

dont you have a sentence to spell wrong???????????

[wALLSTREET56]

what the fuck is a DOUNT you imbecile.
stop posting your 3rd grade shit

One word U.A.W.
Soon you will pay

[all talk]

Right it's real hard going to dunkin dounts.They need to make min wage.


I love people who slam the police or try to take them down a notch whenever they can. You are the same people who would never make it through a night of police work. Unfortunately it's impossible to educate you because you're incapable of such a herculean task. go back to flipping burgers.

[huhwhat]

dont you have a sentence to spell wrong???????????
Huh? I didn't know sentences could be spelt wrong.. I thought it was words...

I guess that's some more cop lingo.

[alloinking]

I love people who slam the police or try to take them down a notch whenever they can. You are the same people who would never make it through a night of police work. Unfortunately it's impossible to educate you because you're incapable of such a herculean task. go back to flipping burgers.

You're right, I could never make it through a night of police work because I'm not brainless enough to sit in the bushes with a radar gun all night. I'm also not an egotistical jerk looking to ruin people's nights to bloat my own false sense of empowerment. I'm also not shameless enough to basically collect a welfare check every 2 weeks for the minimal amount of work a LI cop does. I'm also not self-righteous enough to think I deserve as much money as I can make because I "put my life on the line" in an area with minimal crime, especially violent crime when my colleagues working a few miles west are constantly put in the line of fire for half of what I'd make. I'm not indignant enough to think that my job is harder to get than becoming a doctor because I have to maintain good credit and not get any traffic tickets, yet have almost NO education whatsoever. You are right, I'd never make it through a night of police work.

[Unregistered/ko'd]

I love people who slam the police or try to take them down a notch whenever they can. You are the same people who would never make it through a night of police work. Unfortunately it's impossible to educate you because you're incapable of such a herculean task. go back to flipping burgers.

Yeah, I know. Handling vehicle accidents, false alarms and sponging off the restaurants for free food is extremely stressful, especially at night.

[wALLSTREET56]

One word U.A.W.
Soon you will pay

lol...that absolutely great u.a.w. is a anacronym...not a word. Keep trying, someday you'll post something that wont show you for a illiterate bastard, you fool.
you are stupid...arent you?

[wow what a turn]

You're right, I could never make it through a night of police work because I'm not brainless enough to sit in the bushes with a radar gun all night. I'm also not an egotistical jerk looking to ruin people's nights to bloat my own false sense of empowerment. I'm also not shameless enough to basically collect a welfare check every 2 weeks for the minimal amount of work a LI cop does. I'm also not self-righteous enough to think I deserve as much money as I can make because I "put my life on the line" in an area with minimal crime, especially violent crime when my colleagues working a few miles west are constantly put in the line of fire for half of what I'd make. I'm not indignant enough to think that my job is harder to get than becoming a doctor because I have to maintain good credit and not get any traffic tickets, yet have almost NO education whatsoever. You are right, I'd never make it through a night of police work.
Oh so you are the "doctor poster" wink-wink

[wow what a turn]

Huh? I didn't know sentences could be spelt wrong.. I thought it was words...

I guess that's some more cop lingo.
When every word in the sentence is spelled wrong...its ok to say
dont you have a sentence to spell wrong???????????

[Unregis33tered]

Yeah, I know. Handling vehicle accidents, false alarms and sponging off the restaurants for free food is extremely stressful, especially at night.

I already told you, I'll gladly write your 104d with a smile...lol

[1 word for wallstupid]

One word U.A.W.
Soon you will pay

thats not one word, its one anacronym and 4 words after it.......stupid......stupid is one word

[wallstreet234]

thats not one word, its one anacronym and 4 words after it.......stupid......stupid is one word

Can I please get my G.E.D.So I can be a cool cop like you.

[wallstreet234]

Can I please get my G.E.D.So I can be a cool cop like you.
No you cant. You are too dumb to graduate preschool. G.E.D. is out of your reach

[UnregLicopsareuseless]

Can I please get my G.E.D.So I can be a cool cop like you.

Last I heard no HS diploma is needed. You just need to be able to write out an accident report or traffic summons, and complete the precinct morning orders for dunkin donuts.

[Unregisteredoverurhead]

Last I heard no HS diploma is needed. You just need to be able to write out an accident report or traffic summons, and complete the precinct morning orders for dunkin donuts.still more then you could handle moron

[Unregistered456]

lol...that absolutely great u.a.w. is a anacronym...not a word. Keep trying, someday you'll post something that wont show you for a illiterate bastard, you fool.
you are stupid...arent you?

Officer Vara,Is that you?
I know you are a little slow,Well you are a cop.

[heres the bus]

Officer Vara,Is that you?
I know you are a little slow,Well you are a cop. oh were you two in special ed together?
He made it as a cop, see there is hope for chubby mental midgets like you after all

[Unregistsdfsdsdfsered]

oh were you two in special ed together?
He made it as a cop, see there is hope for chubby mental midgets like you after allMaking it as a cop doesn't mean there's hope for anyone. Cops are bottom of the barrel - ie welfare recipients