its yours

[Truman]

you win wattadummy! you can have this site it has become a bastion for lberal onesidedness. Ihope your children love the new America.
i m out
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[yeah but]

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[Parent]

9/11 has shown America the lack of character and intellectual emptiness of the Democratic Party. I have two children under 5, and they will learn about the Democratic Party the same way I learned about the Bull Moose party, in the history books.

The Democrats are so desperate that they think posting nonsense on a board will revive thr party. Sad for them.

[I Know Better]

The only way your kids will learn anything is in front of a CRT. You are just another typical lazy selfish parent (in biological terms only). You'll send em off for six hours of state paid babysitting a day when they reach school age. The TV/game console/computer will do the rest. And so another generation of fat, lazy, inconsiderate, narrowminded and uneducated Americans will be on its way. Sad for all of us.

[Parent]

Do you think I would send MY kids to a State-run school where they will be brainwashed like the liberals on this board?

The empty rhetoric of the liberal posts here is amusing, but intellectually empty as usual. I sense fear. The light at then end of the democrats dark tunnel of doom is getting brighter. The end is near. It will all be over soon. The biggest threat facing this country is the implosion of the Democratic party. You have Al Sharpton, and now Jesse Jackson, saying not a single African American should vote for a single democrat. You have enviormentalist leaving the fold for the Green Party. The Sierra Club and Green Peace are shifting there funds to the Green party. This represents 1/4 of Democratic funding from 2000.

Don't worry Howard Dean will save you. The there is always Hillary. Of course there is John F Kerry, the with JFK's initials and Ronald Reagans hair.

[I Know Better]

Forgive me, I made one minor mistake. Your kinds won't go to public school. You'll have them brainwashed at a parochial school. They will have secular intolerance, superstitious religious dogma vs. real science and antiquated sexual role determination pounded into thr susceptible little brains.

The rest stands.

Then when your future little David Koresh guns down 5 or 6 classmates in junior high, you'll blame it on rock music and liberalism, instead of putting the blame where it really belongs.

Just make sure you get the death penalty approved for kids under 16 before Junior goes postal. Wouldn't want your diseased branch of the human genetic tree getting any bigger.

[Billybob]

Please remind me what the democrats did that earned the ire of so many people on this board?
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[WantaghDem]

...of this ignorant poster's rant is the part about how 9/11 showed us ANYTHING about "democrats."

What it showed was Republicans asleep at the wheel. What it showed was yet another Bush Administration ignoring the warnings of experts - many from the outgoing Clinton Administration - that an Al Qaeda attack on US soil was imminent.

What it showed was an Ashcroft Justice Department ignoring the pleas of FBI agents around the country warning of a specific terrorist threat of hijacked airplanes slamming into skyscrapers.

What it showed was a morally bankrupt Bush Administration - the first Administration in US history to not only wage pre-emptive war - and without international approval - but also the first Administration in US history to go to war without asking Americans to make any sacrifices whatsoever.

What 9/11 showed was that the Clinton Administration did a better job of creating, ensuring and keeping the peace, both here and abroad. BUSH let 9/11 happen - and has done NOTHING about it. BUSH waged war in two countries that weren't responsible for 9/11. BUSH let bin Laden escape Bora Bora. BUSH hasn't captured Hussn OR bin Laden. BUSH hasn't charged a SINGLE PERSON in the 9/11 attacks or the anthrax attacks.

What 9/11 showed was the complete incompetence and greed of this unelected moron and his thieving, convicted-criminal crew.
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[Billybob]

I happen to think all of this finger pointing is ludicrous, and it really shows how the public doesn't understand how the political system works. Right now, the GOP controls the government. That's a little hard to deny.

But it's ridiculous to blame any or all problems on ther part exclusively. The democrats give almost as many corporate favors as the Republicans do.

And what does finger-pointing get us? It's another distraction, to keep people from taking action on the ENORMOUS problems this country has right now. If I'm a democrat (I'm not) and blame the Republicans, it almost gets me off the hook, doesn't it. The same goes for Republicans, only I must admit that the GOP is FAR more aggressive.
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[REBEL]

It's ours! Dems are only acting so childish and cruel because of the desperation they have about thr quick-sinking party.
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[WantaghDem]

...the Republicans have run our national debt so high, our great great grandchildren won't finish paying it. They have created the largest deficits in history. They have commited war crimes. They have killed over 305 US soldiers and thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians. They have ruined the reputation and stature of America around the world.

Polls indicate that the Dems will definitely take back the Senate in 2004, and probably the House as well.

And sixty percent of the American voting public says they're voting for ANYONE other than Dubya in 14 months.


Uhhhhhhh......WHICH party is sinking?


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[REBEL]

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him. (maybe) Desperate people lie. Desperate dem presidential candidates lie. Bill lied/lies. Hillary lied/lies.

President Bush would win the election if it were held today. Check the polls, folks. Wait and see just before the 2004 election....Bush's poll #'s will go right through the roof!

We can all sleep nights with the Bush administration protecting us against terrorism.

DEMOCRAT Mayor Koch said he has NEVER VOTED FOR A REPUBLICAN FOR PRESIDENT BEFORE BUT WILL VOTE FOR PRESIDENT BUSH!!!!!!

Bush has stimulated the economy so well that it is rapidly turning around. That even though we had 9-11 and two wars. Bush is a very brilliant man and is also a common sense scientist, as I am.

Forgive me for repeating but it's ours, Truman.
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[WantaghDem]

...all trustworthy polls say that seventy percent of registered voters will vote for someone other than Bush.


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[Truman]

you know I have had it with bush also, he does nothing to protect our borders, this ludacris prescription drug plan,will not go to bat for these supreme court nominees and continues to try and play diplomacy with the Palastinians and the UN. But he is way better than the alternative. I hope he really gets tough during his second term.

At l Republicans can find fault in our leaders unlike the sycophants of the left. They remind me of the african americans who stand by the not guilty verdict that OJ got.

Whatadummy you are just a magpie who repeats the same old tired rhetoric that you hear from Katy couric and al franken and the NY Times.
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[WantaghDem]

"this ludacris prescription drug plan"

gee, is that what he came up with after O'Rlly's boycott got him thrown off of Pepsi?

"will not go to bat for these supreme court nominees "

Yeah, that damn Bush....he won't go to bat for these supreme court nominees.....no matter that there aren't any supreme court nominees, since there aren't any vacancies, but, damnit, screw Bush anyway, like you say truman, for not going to bat for these nonexistent nominees....I mean, a man who won't go to bat for people who don't exist, he isn't worth a damn!
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:all trustworthy polls say that seventy percent of registered voters will vote for someone other than Bush.
Could you provide one?
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[FOXnews channel guy]

go to Bill "Shutup" O'Rlly's web site, and click on search... the most recent I think was Zogby (oh no that's right, Zogby's the one who predicted, er, I mean, tabulated, that Gore won in 2000)... then try searching for Meringoff (oh no, that's right, Bill "uninvited" him too)

Oh who cares what "polls" say, they're just bought 'n paid for? Not

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[my bad]

I was wrong and you are right but that is just another device of the left to argue specifics and symantics rather than face the issue.
Let me ask you this (wattadummy) since the left wants to change things and the right wants things to remain a constant, we can agree on this can't we? What is the end result that the liberal left progresive democrats want to see come about. What is it ,other than "world peace" that you want for America?

If you can get to it without correcting my grammer or punctuation or calling me a racist but actually addressing the ? would be appreciated

[Campaign lying]

I'm still waiting for WantaghDem to provide a poll where Bush is losing to anyone. So far, there is not a person on this earth who could defeat George W Bush in the polls, but WantaghDem claims there is. I want to see your numbers and the source of them. Unless, of course, you made that statistic up.

In the meantime, I will provide you with an actual article to support my arguments.
Bush leads all Democratic challengers in national poll
HAMDEN, Conn. (AP) — President Bush leads all Democratic challengers — and even some who have not entered the 2004 presidential race — in a national poll released Wednesday.
The Quinnipiac University Polling Institute found that Bush outdistanced his rivals by at l 10 points or more in the survey conducted Sept. 11-15.

Bush was favored 52-41% over Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, 51-39% over Rep. Dick Gephardt of Missouri and 53-38% over former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean and Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

The president also easily bested two Democrats not in the race — former Vice President Al Gore, Bush's opponent in 2000, and New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Bush was favored 53-41% over Gore, and 52-42% over the former first lady.

The survey was not all good news for the president. Sixty-seven percent of those polled said the economy will matter more to them than the U.S.-led war against Iraq when they go to the voting booth in November 2004.

Fifty percent of those surveyed disapprove of the way Bush has handled the economy, while 44% approve. Voters, by a 49-42% margin, said that a Democratic administration would do a better job.

Those polled supported the war 58-37%, but they are evenly split on the $87 billion price tag.

The poll surveyed 1,228 registered voters nationwide by telephone. It had a margin of error of plus or minus of 3 percentage points.
Source: USA Today

[Purity]

Fewer Today Believe Bush Will Win in 2004

- this one claims that the amount of people that think that Bush will win is 49% (which isn't the majority)

Poll analysis: Bush election win no sure thing

- this one says 29% will definitely vote FOR Bush, 41% will definitely vote AGAINST Bush.

Election 2004

- Gallup pole: this one gives Bush the advantage, but I like this part: Bush's support is disproportionately centered among whites, among men, among those living in the South, among those younger than 65 years of age, and among those who attend church regularly. The Democratic candidate's support is disproportionately higher among blacks, those with low incomes, among those with postgraduate educations, among women, and among those who do not attend church regularly.

Mmm..... white southern males who attend church regularly. Why doesn't that surprise me.

Bush is ahead is almost all polls, but his lead is also continuously decreasing in all polls.

I personally don't care about polls. They mean nothing. They said Gore was going to win in 2000. Oh wait, he did.
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[NYIndependence]

Once again, there is no candidate who can defeat George W Bush. None of the polls you provide show any specific candidate posing a threat to George W Bush.
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[WantaghDem]

Let me explain some things about how poorly you understand the meaning of those polls.

If you are a smoker, you have a significantly greater risk of dying from lung cancer, heart disease, emphysema, stroke, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease....SiGNIFICANTLY higher - than a non-smoker. Unless you are killed in an accident or a murder (or you get sent to Iraq by your Chimp in Chief), you are very likely to die from having smoked.

The fact that at a particular moment in time, your doctor cannot tell you EXACTLY WHICH one of these things will KILL you - does not mean that you WON'T DIE from smoking. Your risk for a PARTICULAR illness is lower than your risk of dying from smoking.

The polls may not yet favor a particular candidate....hmmm....why would that be?.....is it possible that this early in the game, there is no clear frontrunner, and, so, people are enjoying rooting for thr individual?

Are you telling me that if Dean and Kucinich and Sharpton and Moseley Braun and Gephardt and Kerry don't get the nomination, that thr supporters will turn around and vote for BUSH?

The polls are clear, however: when it comes to Bush vs anyone else, Bush loses big time. It's so over for him, it's funny...the only question is who gets to do it.

President Clinton didn't enter the race until October, and he didn't have the best primary season. He won, twice.
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[Halcyeon]

Quote:Once again, there is no candidate who can defeat George W Bush. None of the polls you provide show any specific candidate posing a threat to George W Bush.

The second poll seems to indicate that more people will vote for anyone but Bush than for Bush himself. I get the feeling that no one likes Bush or what he is doing, however most people think those democrat candidates are just to weak to lead our country. I tend to agree, since Bush has given them so much "ammo" to work with (no president in history has given his opponents more easy options, obvious possibilities and valid reasons to discredit him), but what do they do? NOTHING. They just sit there on thr lazy asses and they let him ruin the US reputation in the entire world. However you'd be an idiot to believe that this somehow means Bush is popular. He isn't. He is just the l weak. Which is a very bad thing for such a great country and is also what is wrong with this system. You don't get to pick the best one, you get to pick the lesser of 2 evils.
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[azellyn]

posted on all sites pretty much...

Bushco's web of dect is unraveling...
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[FluxRostrum]

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[NYIndependence]

Quote:...all trustworthy polls say that seventy percent of registered voters will vote for someone other than Bush.
Quote:The polls may not yet favor a particular candidate....hmmm....why would that be?.....is it possible that this early in the game, there is no clear frontrunner, and, so, people are enjoying rooting for thr individual?
And you still haven't provided one out of the many polls (as you claim) that says seventy percent of voters will vote for someone other than Bush.
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[WantaghDem]

...a doubt against a certainty, and run away from bng wrong once again.

You misunderstood the polls. You thought that since no single Dem candidate "beats" Bush yet, that meant that Bush is leading in the polls. I proved you wrong, and demonstrated where you misunderstood.

And you change the subject, as usual. You don't get rewarded for that....you get dropped.

Bye!
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[Freedom]

Desepration is causing some of the more radical type lefties to make things up. Why? It's because it's all they have.
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[WantaghDem]

...like the conservatives purposely misreading polls that clearly show Bush is beaten in 2004?

You can ther say that you did it on purpose or that you're too dumb to understand....your choice, it doesn't affect the outcome. Bush = toast.
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[NYIndependence]

When confronted with evidence, you can't just say "You're wrong" and walk away. The initial reply asked you to provide a source to back up this statement: Quote:...all trustworthy polls say that seventy percent of registered voters will vote for someone other than Bush.
In three (3) posts, you have been unable to rnforce that claim with a single element of truth. Instead, you just accuse people of bng wrong. The fact is, nobody is right or wrong, I'm just asking you to show me where you found this information and you insist on keeping it a secret.
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[Yonivore]

What? You want support for a Demoncratic claim? How unreasonable. ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[WantaghDem]

At your willingness to change the subject AND blame it on me.

You claimed that the polls show that NO ONE could beat Bush, since NONE of the other candidates are shown to beat him NOW.

YOU WERE WRONG.

These polls merely indicate that in a wide-open field, with a variety of candidates attempting to at l place decently in at l one primary, no one candidate is yet able to claim the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of voters who say they will vote for someone OTHER THAN BUSH.

As the field dwindles, and support shifts to those who remain, you will see an increase in thr numbers relative to Bush. As it gets down to three or less, you will see at l one of them beating Bush.

And it explains a lot about you if you claim that no one is ever right or wrong.
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:At your willingness to change the subject AND blame it on me.
As you can see from each of my posts in this thread, I have posted about one subject and one subject alone: polls. I am not placing blame on anyone, I would just like to see the origins of the polls you mentioned. I don't think it is excessive to ask that you be held responsible for the claims you make.

As for the polls concerning Bush, currently, there is not a single candidate who can defeat him. Of course that can change, just like approval ratings and all other opinions constantly change. Since the entire discussion is about opinions, nther of us are right or wrong.

Quote:no one candidate is yet able to claim the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of voters who say they will vote for someone OTHER THAN BUSH.
According to CNN, only 41% of the country will vote for someone other than Bush. That is nther a majority nor overwhelming. Again, I more than welcome you to show me where you found this statistic in addition to the claim that 70% of voters will vote for someone other than Bush.
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[Freedom]

Looks like he made it all up as usual.
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[Freedom]

For some reason the above poster used my nickname, but I will agree WanDem does make everything up.

I would prefer you use you own name my friend, as I would like to take full credit or blame for my posts.

Thanks.
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[WantaghDem]

Find any two items - except this nonsense on this thread - where I made something up AND you have proof that I did.

NOT YOUR OPINION, PROOF.

Can't be done.

If there is an example where I posted something that I later corrected, it won't count. Has to be something that I said that was or can be proven to be MADE UP.

MADE UP, like WMD in Iraq. MADE UP, like Saddam ordering 9/11. MADE UP, like Iraq an immediate threat to US.

MADE UP. Can't do it.
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[Freedom]

Challenge
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Find any two items - except this nonsense on this thread - where I made something up AND you have proof that I did.

NOT YOUR OPINION, PROOF.

ITEM ONE: Can't be done. (Making up story)

If there is an example where I posted something that I later corrected, it won't count. Has to be something that I said that was or can be proven to be MADE UP.

ITEM TWO: MADE UP, like WMD in Iraq.

ITEM THREE: MADE UP, like Saddam ordering 9/11. (No one ever said Saddam ORDERED 911.) (Twisting truth)

ITEM FOUR: MADE UP, like Iraq an immediate threat to US. (Who said this and please give source, unless that is, you made it up. )

MADE UP. Can't do it. (From now on proof and sources, please.)

A little fun - won't spend much time on WanDem until he apologizes SINCERELY.
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[NYIndependence]

Since you have thrice rejected the invitation to provide sources for your polls, I feel that these two statements were made up:
Quote:...all trustworthy polls say that seventy percent of registered voters will vote for someone other than Bush
and
Quote:the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of voters who say they will vote for someone OTHER THAN BUSH.
While taken out of context, the second statement still contains the claim that the overwhelming majority of voters will vote for someone other than Bush. Can you back it up with any facts?
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:Find any two items - except this nonsense on this thread - where I made something up AND you have proof that I did.Oops, I missed that part. Any time you feel like making an unfounded claim, don't forget to say that. Feel free to point out anything WantaghDem made up, with the exception of the most immediate example.
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[WantaghDem]

....that you have been talking about ME this whole time, concerning the seventy percent. I had no idea that you were talking about me, since I wasn't aware that that's what I had typed. Since that's not what I meant to say, I brushed off your posts as having to do with something else.

Before you jump all over me once again, let me - once again - show you how it's done:

I looked at my post again, and I said seventy when I didn't mean to. Doesn't matter why, I just did, and that's what matters. When I looked at the posts, it was the same day we were all talking about seventy percent of the American public bng misled by Bush about Saddam and 9/11, and that's the only thing I can think of - it was on my mind, and it came out in the wrong post. I have no idea if seventy percent has anything to do with anything other than the percentage of people misled by Bush.

So I was wrong when I wrote seventy. I didn't make it up.

The correct figure I was using (from the Pew Center in August, but I've seen it in at l two other sources) is 43 - only 43 percent will vote for Bush in 2004. Rasmussen has Bush at 42 % for re-election.

The majority - overwhelming is a subjective term, but I'm using it - are voting for someone OTHER THAN Bush.

So, not only are these "two" NOT examples of me "making something up" but I've done something that nther of you have done - admit when I made a mistake, even if it was just a mistake and not a "lie." If you look carefully, I never repeated the mistake in the thread.

So, sorry, but you'll have to look harder!
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[WantaghDem]

This is gonna be fun....even the part where Freedom runs away like a coward! Remember now, I said that Bush claimed that Iraq was a threat to the US, and Freedom said that I made that up! Fun fun fun!


"MADE UP, like Iraq an immediate threat to US. (Who said this and please give source"

Below are several examples in one speech where Bush claims that Iraq is a serious and imminent threat to the United States - and in at l two instances includes nuclear as part of that threat. And notice the SOURCE, please!

GEORGE W. BUSH, Cincinnatti, September 7 2002
www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...007-8.html

"Tonight I want to take a few minutes to discuss a grave threat to peace and America's determination to lead the world in confronting that threat."

"On September 11, 2001, America felt its vulnerability -- even to threats that gather on the other side of the earth. We resolved then, and we are resolved today, to confront every threat, from any source, that could bring sudden terror and suffering to America."

"The Iraqi regime has violated all of those obligations. It possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons."

"We agree that the Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons, and diseases, and gases, and atomic weapons."

"While there are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone -- because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place."

"Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are controlled by a murderous tyrant, who has already used chemical weapons to kill thousands of people. This same tyrant has tried to dominate the Middle , has invaded and brutally occupied a small nghbor, has struck other nations without warning, and holds an unrelenting hostility towards the United States. By its past and present actions, by its technological capabilities, by the merciless nature of its regime, Iraq is unique."

"Some ask how urgent this danger is to America and the world. The danger is already significant, and it only grows worse with time. "

"Some have argued that confronting the threat from Iraq could detract from the war against terror. To the contrary, confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror."

"Saddam Hussn would be in a position to blackmail anyone who opposes his aggression. He would be in a position to dominate the Middle . He would be in a position to threaten America."

"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

"Understanding the threats of our time, knowing the designs and deceptions of the Iraqi regime, we have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring."

"Our demands are directed only at the regime that enslaves them and threatens us."

"Today in Iraq, we see a threat whose outlines are far more clearly defined -- and whose consequences could be far more deadly. Saddam Hussn's actions have put us on notice -- and there is no refuge from our responsibilities."


[note to readers: significant weaseling coming up from Freedom]
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[Purity]

Quote:According to CNN, only 41% of the country will vote for someone other than Bush. That is nther a majority nor overwhelming.

Still, it's 12% more than the ones that will definitely vote FOR Bush. Why do you leave out that part? Censorship? National security?

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[Sassy]

You're a target, too! The Qur'an makes it clear that you are, in no uncertain terms:

"Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be thr home: an evil fate." (Sura 9:73)

"Those who believe in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil. So fight ye against the friends of Satan." (Sura 4:76)

"Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and sze them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." (Sura 9:5)


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