If you live in California, you must read this!

[I read it]

McClintock is the only one who said he will enforce Prop.187. Arnold's campaign headquarters said he supported Prop. 187 in 1994 but that is not good enough. He must say he will enforce it as Governor and he has not taken that position. Additionally, getting Governor Pataki to stump for him is a negative since Pataki is known as a conservative sell-out. Just ask NY gunowners about how Pataki screwed them. If McClintock is forced out....well then......maybe Mary Carey is more vote worthy than Arnold. Bustamante should not be used as a reason to accept a liberal like Arnold!! Call Arnold's campaign and find out for yourself 1-310-664-9002

[Californian]

Do not let the liberal media fool you! Lt. Gov Cruz Bustamante is a racist. This is supported by the following FACTS:

1. He is a member of MECHA, a Mexican supremacist organization whose mission is to reconquer the entire southwest and return it to Mexico while removing all people of non-Mexican descent from the area.

2. During a speech in front of an African-American audience, he publicly used the "N" word. Subsequently, he finished the speech with no remorse while numerous African-Americans stormed out of the building in protest.

Have you heard about any of the above. No??? Well, of course not. The liberal media outlets would never demoralize a minority, nevertheless a Democrat. Do we really expect thr LA Times to tell the "truth"?

The liberal media is trying to cover this up and discredit Arnold by reporting that his father was a Nazis. This has nothing to do with Arnold's character and everything to do with Bustamante. Read between the lines and vote for Arnold in October!

[NRA Member]

DO NOT support Arnold for Governor. I just heard a radio interview with him on the Sean Hannity show and he is strongly anti-gun. In terms of importance, the second amendment is first.
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[WantaghDem]

"Arnold enegger--Finally, a candidate who can explain Bush's position on civil liberties in the original German."


"Bush is supporting Arnold but a lot of Republicans are not, because he is actually quite liberal. Karl Rove said if Arnold's father wasn't a Nazi, he wouldn't have any credibility with conservatives at all."


-- Bill Maher
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[Californian]

Bill Maher...yeah that guy has credibility.

If Arnold is a liberal, than that should fit your perspective perfectly.

And what about Cruz Bustamante? The post was about him. Do you think he is a racist? Yes or No. And dont try to change the subject.

[Bustamante]

I agree. Bill Maher has no credibility with me, specifically because he defends Ann Coulter, who is a violent treasonous idiot.


But what Bill Maher said is funny, and it's true.

Arnold is a liberal republican. They do have one or two of those left, you know.

[Truman]

Ca is a joke. America is a joke. Republicans are a joke. You liberals have won. There are no real conservatives in power. It is now just a battle between minorities for who will rape the last of the true Americans out of everything that they have and have made.
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[real conservative]

Californian,
Arnold is a liberal. McClintock is the only vote worthy conservative. If McClintock is forced out, the real conservatives should teach the republican party a lesson by not voting at all! Additionally, the so-called conservatives who are stumping for Arnold are destroying thr reputation as conservatives. (if it isn't already destroyed)

[Truman]

right you are RC. McClintock will get my vote but he has no chance in this default election. Arnold will split the conservative vote and Davis will split the kook vote but the default candidate Cruz(I want whitey out of Ca) Bustamonte will garner all the kook vote and it won't be long until Ca is Baja Ca. Well at l then when we suceed into Mexico we will be able to get federal money to bail out the e
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[get smart please]

If California is bng invaded by illegal aliens who want to take over California or the entire south west, do you think they are going to stop there? Answer:NO. California first, then the southwest, and then everything else.

[MisterEd]

I don't live in California, but I still read the thread. And I am glad I did, because now I know why I don't live there. If that state is filled with people like truman, Californian and get smart please, it must be really difficult to meet interesting people there. But Arnie seems to be on that same level, so I suppose he would represent the state in a correct way.
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[GiveThemTexas]

1. Wow....you mean they're all in it together to steal California? Damn! Lets just give em' Texas. He can't really be a supremacist since his race has very little power in our state or country.

2. The "n" word? *gasps* I'm sure you care sooo much since you're the racist.

The liberal media....no thats the biggest joke of all. If we had a strong liberal media we would have different news stories on sometimes. We would also be informed about world politics and human rights issues.

P.S. If people here are STUPID enough to vote for Arnold just because he is a popular actor........oh God! I'm moving to Colorado.

[Truman]

What do you consider interesting ? people who think like you ? and we are glad you don't want to move here , we need another liberal like CA needs another nontaxpaying sociol program abusing lawbreaking illegal alien.
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[kathaksung]

When people dancing to the drum beat played by insider group, they don't know they are aruing something in vain. Most candidates are all puppets under control, ther Demo or GOP.

Steal California (7/31)

It's an operation can only be activated by an organization with large resource.

1) No one has such determination to do this just 4 months after the Governor bng re-elected unless it has an urgent motivation.

2) Though Republican like to see Davis losing the post of Governor, they also worry about a backlash by voters. They lack of the motivation.

3) A swift and effective movement to collect 1.7 million of signatures show that it was done by a well organized and experienced group. Which has rich financial and manpower resource.

4) Some activists with a dirty background. Issa, the man started the recall, was fined for gun possession, faced theft charge. He had a string of youthful brushes with the law that include allegations of stealing cars and once set fire to his car-alarm business. Davis camp also complained some people worked to collect signatures with criminal record so tainted petition. We know Federal agents used to manipulate gang member and criminals to work for them.

5) The group behind the scene has rich resource in judicial system. Though Davis camp filed suits in court to halt the recall, they suffered setbacks both in Sarcamento and Los Angles counties. The suits were rejected within days, a very efficient procession in judicial system.

6) The group behind the scene has rich resource in media. Mercury News, so said a "liberal media", propagand on recall with first page, pages of articles, stories such like "The pay only $7 yearly in car tax, which will increase to $20 under Gov. Gray Davis' proposed budget." hinted Davis will be ousted.

7) The group behind the scene also has big influence in Democratic Party. Though Davis is in inferior position. No other Demo came out to run the election. This is incredible. Which means they'll give up the position to thr rivals without campaign.

My experience is media is in stronghold of intelligence. Early this year, a TV station announced one of thr colleague would leave to work in a county election office. I had a feeling then they'll move thr resource to control the election office for 2004. Now it seems they are preparing for an early election.

California is a camp of Democratic Party. With a sudden attack, I expect a patsy of intelligence will steal it. Which will enable intelligence easier do any commitment. But also US democracy will fall further into a covert totalitarianism.
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[ACELAW]

You don't have a clue, want to come visit, bring your bullet proofs, well on second thought, NAHHH you don't really, really need them .HAHAHAHA,HOHOHO,18 th street gang AHHH a bunch of pussies, let see they number 34,000 strong( 60
% illegal aliens) that means they kill you and go home, GET IT,, there Turf is about 10 SQ miles( they do have a business plan for expansion) so your chances of Running (which I advise) into them, is really , really GOOD., they have only killed 1000 or so, (after 500 it gets hard to keep count) people, 1000 killers walk the streets because witnesses TOO DEAD TO COME TO COURT. But there is always the bright side, you do not need couch, easeyboy chair or any furniture, you sit on the floor, you sleep on the floor, don't want to put yourself in the line of normal drive by shooting target zone, which they start about window hght and work there way around your place.You don't live in Calif. thats for sure meathead.


www.cnsnews.com/ViewNatio...0820a.html
Illegal Immigration Turning Calif. Into 'Aparthd State,' Expert Warns
By Steve Brown
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
August 20, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - California may evolve into an "aparthd state" unless major changes are made in immigration policy, a panel of immigration experts warned Tuesday.

The problems are fueled primarily by illegal immigration to California, resulting in a growing segment of the population that pays a disproportionately low percentage in taxes; uses a similarly disproportionate amount of welfare services; and increasingly lives in virtually segregated communities while working in more affluent areas of the state, the panelists said.

California State University, Fresno professor Victor Davis Hanson, a member of the panel hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) in Washington, D.C., described some central California cities that are composed entirely of recent Mexican immigrants and thr families, many of whom live in "a shadow community" because of thr illegal status.

"Where I live, there are towns such as Orange Cove, Mendota or Parlier, Calif., which are 100 percent composed of ther people who are the first generation from Mexico and are illegal aliens, or second generation where third- and fourth-generation Mexican citizens have left," said Hanson, author of the recently published book Mexifornia: A State of Becoming.

"These are like test tube cases of what not to do," said Hanson. "You reject American integration and diversity, and you allow aparthd societies of people who basically serve more affluent people in a shadow community without legality."

Hanson predicted the issue of illegal immigration from Mexico will be raised ther in the current California recall campaign or in the 2004 presidential election, saying he expects the debate will be "demagogued in a way that's going to be quite infamous before the actual elections come around."

Part of the reason the issue of illegal immigration is such a highly charged political issue is because relatively few Americans have first-hand experience with it, according to San Diego Union-Tribune columnist Joseph Perkins, who was also on the panel.

Another facet of the debate centers on the supply of cheap labor, which favors an "open-border" mindset in some business quarters.

"Most of these folks have not actually seen the consequences of that policy," said Perkins. "The fact is California, the nation's most populous state, has been transformed by immigration, particularly illegal immigration."

According to Perkins, who opposes open-border policies after having supported them as an editorial writer for the Wall Street Journal. "If my friends in New York who continue to advocate open borders were to have 100,000 Chinese immigrants heading into New York harbor year by year and suddenly becoming part of New York State's population... then they might feel differently."

Steve Camarota, director of research for the CIS, dismissed many of the economic theories used to support an open-border policy.

While some argue that Mexican immigration - legal or otherwise - is crucial to the economy, Camarota introduced statistical data showing that Mexican immigrants comprise nearly one-third of California's population but account for approximately 3 percent of the state's economic output.

According to Camarota, California's estimated population of more than 35.5 million people includes some 10 million Mexicans, 70 percent of who are in the state illegally and 65 percent of who have less than a high school education.

"The idea that Mexican immigration is vital to the U.S. economy is simply false," Camarota said.

Next, Camarota noted that Mexican immigrants pay significantly less in taxes compared with native Californians but use disproportionately more welfare benefits than those born in the state.

Camarota's data showed that the average taxes paid by Mexican immigrants in California amount to about $1,535 per year, while native-born Californians pay $5,600 in taxes.

While Mexican immigrants pay one-third the taxes of native Californians on average, they also consume roughly three times more welfare, Camarota said.

The CIS data showed that 41.5 percent of Mexican immigrants used "major welfare programs" like Medicaid and food stamps, while those same welfare programs were used by only 14.2 percent of native Californians.

"There's a very big difference between what Mexican immigrants are supposed to pay in taxes and what natives are supposed to pay," said Camarota. "This fact, coupled with thr extremely high use of public services, means that there's a very high cost for cheap labor."

While the panelists illustrated the encroaching problems and thr causes, few detailed solutions were offered.

"What should we do? I think most people support immigration, we want immigration, and it always enriches the culture. But we want it in California under legal auspices," said Hanson.

Hanson said it would require "legal, measured immigration." However, he emphasized that "something" must be done to protect the borders.



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[vote McClintock (or not]

It's true the LIBERAL Republican Party in California won't back him up. Reminds me of the LIBERAL Republican Party in NYS. Both ends of the country have LIBERAL Republican Party as well as the Dems.

If I lived in California and McClintock was not on the ballot I would go to the election and vote for everything but governor - to show both parties it's not that voters are too lazy to vote, it's because we don't like the candidates. If everyone did that, MAYBE they would get it.

[yeah but]

I meant vote for everything else in the GENERAL election if McClintock wasn't there.
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[kathaksung]

Development of California recall

For my comment in "147. Steal California (7/31)"
7) The group behind the scene also has big influence in Democratic Party. Though Demo has Lt. Cov. Bustamante join in the competition, he is less populated and general opinion is he would lose to enneger. The only choice which Demo. can win over Reps., Senator Fnstn stayed out. The respond of Democrats is weak and confusing.

6) The group behind the scene has rich resource in media. It' s obvious when we saw the topic is around Arnold in talk show, TV and newspaper. Push ennegger's population to a peak.

5) The group behind the scene has rich resource in judicial system.Supreme Court denied Governor Gray Davis' bid to delay voting, cleared the way of recall in 10/7.

"I expect a patsy of intelligence will steal it. Which will enable intelligence easier do any commitment."

Nobody is more suitable to be a patsy than Arnold. He has no experience of managing a government, even a small one like a small town mayor or councilman. What can he do with a big bureaucracy of a big state? Becoming a puppet is a certain. Samething took place in Minnisota where the governor is an athlete.(Ventura) Demo lost Senator's election after Wellstone's death. Even for the sympathetic effect, or for the fame of Mondale, Demo shouldn't lost in 2002 mid-election. But it's not thr governor, and they don't control election office. Those who control intelligence was easy to get a vote result favorable to them like what happened in Florida.


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[WantaghDem]

Forgetting about the question "how can CA voters recall someone they overwhelmingly elected just a few months ago" - can anyone tell me the following:

If McClintock is so "good" and "good for CA" - why wasn't he the candidate in the last election? For that matter, why didn't he win?
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[steve]

The reason is simple...Simon had money...in addition, Simon was much more liberal than McClintock...do you really think the Reps would support a conservative in California?
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[WantaghDem]

....it was "simple question." But I asked it because somehow people now think that McClintock has some sort of chance. Which, granted, is a little better than it was in the real, democratic election held recently - and with the stupid way CA holds the recall, theoretically you could get only a few hundred thousand votes and still win - but honestly: McClintock has no chance whatsoever.

None.
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[kathaksung]

157. Simon drops out and computer worm (8/25)

There is no doubt that my computer is under survllance of Feds. The agents who monitor on me often post message to my thread. These messages used to be malicious ridicules. There was once an agent even carelessly put his reply before I posting mine. So I know they can see everything on screen as soon as I typing out every word. Sometimes I failed to post a reply to a comment. I clicked "post" button, but the message never show up. Or a notice said "Invalid - session". Or even a ridicule: "Sorry, you may not post at this time. This forum has a waiting period before new members can post a message. Please return in 6 hours to post." (I was not new member though). It always took place when I made a reply which was too sharp which I thought had offended the watching agent.

In 8/22, I wrote a reply "Don't waste time, Simmon will pull out soon of late--- " to a thread "Go Simon, go!" I failed to post it after several trying. I was curious, "It was only a political opinion. Why ban my post? Maybe my opinion is too true to be posted?" I thought. I always think this Recall is conducted by Feds, apparently the agent knew it already. I planned to repost "Simon will pull out" in my coming postings.

I went back there about 20 minutes later. Found my message was posted and there was an explanation. It said "The Forsite net operations center shut down around noon today and was down until a short while ago. Though I haven't heard from them as to the cause, it's my guess that they were shut down deliberately because of the "sobig" worm."

So posting failure was caused by warm? Anyway they made an explanation 9 minutes after my problem. I abandoned the idea to post more "Simon will pull out". Next day on 8/23, news reported Simon drops out campaign. Though it could be a coincidence, I believe more at my opinion: Feds planned this recall, they knew Simon would drop out in advance. And computer warm is a tool they used to control internet and is useful in a cover up. That my opinion, sometimes, could be very accurate.

Here is the message topics on 8/22, notice the time.

27966 Go Simon, go! Drummond ? ( Aug 22, 01:49, 2003 )

28007 Don't waste time, Simmon will pull out soon of late--- sungkathak
( Aug 22, 18:45, 2003 )

28014
System Outage ... --- admin ? ( Aug 22, 18:54, 2003 )

28019 Is that what caused posting problem when I reply to a message? --- sungkathak ? ( Aug 22, 19:13, 2003 )

See thread at:

www.patriotnews.com/cgi-b...=2&gV=0&p=

163. Reaction to my messages

If possible I used to leave an URL for people to verify my information. Sometimes ago, people complained the URL I left won't work. I think it's an operation to discredit me and my messages.

On 8/25, I wrote message "157. Simon drops out and computer worm ". Ten days later, when I went to that web-site, found they deleted all the old postings. And started a new one from 9/5. The URL I left in message turned into a page of "Error type System error". People want to read the content about my message become impossible. Because I have made an accurate prediction? Or it revealed Feds manipulated California recall? Or it revealed they used worm to control internet? Or all of them? Then I found similar fate of another web-site. The one I talked about in "158. Free speech under "Patriot Act' "
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[Something like that happe]

You see that car outside your window?
That's me.

The man behind you in line at the grocery store?
That's me.

When you go to an ATM, I'm looking at you from behind the camera.

If you keep posting about the recall, and keep degrading the vast right wing movement that will soon sweep the nation, you won't be able to take a leak without me in th booth behind you.

The best part about it is it's all legal.
GOD BLESS THE PATRIOT ACT!

[Yonivore]

Quote:Wantwhatever:

"Forgetting about the question "how can CA voters recall someone they overwhelmingly elected just a few months ago"
Because he's a lying Demoncrat who's lies only became apparent after the election?

As for the other question, I don't know Mclintock, if he ran against Grayout, or (if he did) why he wasn't elected. But, hey, we have elections and you don't see repeat candidates in all of them, do you? ?Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.? - - President John Fitzgerald Kennedy

?We will make no distinction between those who committed these acts and those who harbor them.? - - President George W. Bush
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[kathaksung]

Control state with thr own candidate

Insider group controls media and politicians, even manipulates Presidents. President Kennedy was assasinated; President Nixon was impeached and almost so was President clinton.

Now it seems they preferred to have thr own patsy. Such like Ventura in Minnesota, enneger in California and Wesley Clark for the Demo's president candidate. These people have one thing in common, that is they have no experience of politics. So they became a plain puppet, handled by the men behind them. Arnold enneger ducked debates which needed imminent question and answer but only attended one which the question had been given in advance. This may prove he has little knowledge of government and politics in his brain but can only recite the answers previously taught by his handlers. The result of Ventura bng Governor of Minnesota was clear. That Demo lost mid-election in 2002 which they shouldn't lost. (See message "151. Development of California recall") I don't know if it is another coincidence but the hacker teenager scapegoat was found in Minnesota too. Everybody knows it's easier to set up a case in a land where regime is fully controlled.

With the help of intelligence, Arnold will steal the chair of California Governor. And the Florida 2000 election or Minnesota 2002 mid-election will repeat in California, I can foresee.
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