Hauppauge Fd Chief's Car

[HauppaugeFDWastes]

Why is it I constantly see the HAUPPAUGE FD Chief's car with family members in it at the 7-11, racing down Townline Road with no lights and sirens and in various shopping center parking lots around town? NEVER ON IT'S WAY TO A FIRE!!! Is this what my tax money is spent on???? NEWSDAY LOOK INTO THIS!!! NYS COMPTROLLER: AUDIT THEM!

[Unregistered1]

Why is it I constantly see the HAUPPAUGE FD Chief's car with family members in it at the 7-11, racing down Townline Road with no lights and sirens and in various shopping center parking lots around town? NEVER ON IT'S WAY TO A FIRE!!! Is this what my tax money is spent on???? NEWSDAY LOOK INTO THIS!!! NYS COMPTROLLER: AUDIT THEM!
wake up ass hole he is allowed to use the car in case a fire comes in what do you want him to do use his own car when he has things to do then when a call comes in drive his family home switch cars then go to the call.... then you would be the first asshole to scream it took him to long to get to the call. if you have this much time to complain try to join you just might change you tune.

[Unregistered380 Hater]

You have to admit though. He's getting just as bad as 3-8-40. He's another waste product the Commissioners could have saved thousands on.

[RED RED WINE]

U All Suk

[Glocks]

That's not as bad as driving around New York City and seng all the volly vehicles at firehouses /PD precincts and EMS stations .

That is a true waste of Tax Dollars !!

Lets face it your not gonna get released from the NYPD /FDNY to go fight a fire in suffolk or nassau county .... so why are the vehicles in the city ????

THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE NYS AG

At l the Hauppague Chief was in DAMN DISTRICT !!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered666]

At l the Hauppague Chief was in DAMN DISTRICT !!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah...speeding to 7/11 with his teenage daughter in the car I friggin paid for!!!!

[Unregisteredcheese]

want some cheese with your whine>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[Unregisteredbudget]

I've seen the same "chief" on his shopping trips and recently got pictures of the rec room where the boys do thr old circle jerk. Can't wait til the budget hearing on 9/16. It's gonna be a lively one! Party's over girls.

[UnregisteredSTOPDRIVING]

F U C K I N G Family Members Shouldn't Be In The Chiefs Cars. They Shouldn't Be Used To Go Back And Forth To Work. They Should Be Used For Company Business Morons!!

Scream About It All You Want.....taxpayers Are Getting Screwed Everytime One Of You A S S H O L E Fire Or Ems Chiefs Drive Your 50,000 Dollar Suv To Work.

Newsday.....please Look Into This And Put The Screws To The Fire Departments And Ems Companines Throughout Suffolk And Nassau County....

[altoid]

I saw 2 kid seats in the back of a SUV Chiefs car 4th division Its out of control ...some Departments have 8 SUV's Chiefs ,80 cars ( get on a ambulance already) district mgrs. boat towers etc etc .... check the odometer of some of the chiefs car 100K+...

[FF/EMT]

I saw 2 kid seats in the back of a SUV Chiefs car 4th division Its out of control ...some Departments have 8 SUV's Chiefs ,80 cars ( get on a ambulance already) district mgrs. boat towers etc etc .... check the odometer of some of the chiefs car 100K+...


I agree, but am I not optimistic that anything will change. I have come to realize that there is nothing more important to our "leaders" in the service than getting a free car and free gas, using it for as a private car, and not paying a cent of taxes on it.

[UnregisteredFF]

It's too bad because it ruins public opinion for the rank and file volunteers who are truly serving thrr communities. I live off of Mt. Pleasant in Hauppauge and have seen the Hauppauge FD Chief's cars all over the place - at shopping centers, flying down the LIE and at the car wash on 347. Doesn't the FD have a hose and bucket? These kind of abuses have to stop.

[Unregistered1]

I think the chiefs should lose thr fancy cars and get paychecks. Oh yes 100k to start plus benefits and raises due every three years. This way my chief might get a few days off to spend with the rest of our family; and not be interrupted during dinner too. That's the solution to this whole volunteer mess. Next time the chief passes a kid hit by a car, on his way to his real job, wave any say you're sorry. The taxpayers won't allow me to help you. You don't live in my fire district. Sorry pal, you have to bleed to death cause you didn't pay taxes to my district and my car is parked at home. (any wiseguys, I've seen chiefs stop many times to help out many kinds of situtations. Time is of the essance all too often and even with a full house standing by, it still takes time to get to the scene.)

Long Island is my HOME! Volunteering time keeps monies spent on employment down and trying to keep taxes undercontrol. Take any study you may have seen and toss it out the window. None of these studies provide a five, ten and 15 year projected cost of living scale. None of these studies provide for union negotiations and that's only a fraction of the full economic model. Perhaps our schools and justice system should be looked into for cutting waisted money. Perhaps laws should be scrutinized better to serve the public at large. There is virtually nothing protecting the fire departments from bng sued for employing selection in thr acceptance of membership. So stop beating the guy who earned a perk. There is no such thing as a "FREE LUNCH." (Notice I did say he earned it.) Come down and join and see if you can hump the hoses before you nock the ones that do.

[FF/EMT]

I think the chiefs should lose thr fancy cars and get paychecks. Oh yes 100k to start plus benefits and raises due every three years. This way my chief might get a few days off to spend with the rest of our family; and not be interrupted during dinner too. That's the solution to this whole volunteer mess. Next time the chief passes a kid hit by a car, on his way to his real job, wave any say you're sorry. The taxpayers won't allow me to help you. You don't live in my fire district. Sorry pal, you have to bleed to death cause you didn't pay taxes to my district and my car is parked at home. (any wiseguys, I've seen chiefs stop many times to help out many kinds of situtations. Time is of the essance all too often and even with a full house standing by, it still takes time to get to the scene.)

Long Island is my HOME! Volunteering time keeps monies spent on employment down and trying to keep taxes undercontrol. Take any study you may have seen and toss it out the window. None of these studies provide a five, ten and 15 year projected cost of living scale. None of these studies provide for union negotiations and that's only a fraction of the full economic model. Perhaps our schools and justice system should be looked into for cutting waisted money. Perhaps laws should be scrutinized better to serve the public at large. There is virtually nothing protecting the fire departments from bng sued for employing selection in thr acceptance of membership. So stop beating the guy who earned a perk. There is no such thing as a "FREE LUNCH." (Notice I did say he earned it.) Come down and join and see if you can hump the hoses before you nock the ones that do.


I agree with some things. Volunteer fire service does save us money, but having FDs run EMS costs us money because they cannot bill the insurance companies. FDs spend a lot of money on EMS that is totally wasted because taxpayers, instead of insurance companies, are paying for it.

The kid hit by the car thing is kind of bogus. The kid needs a QUICK ride to in an AMBULANCE to an OPERATING ROOM at a HOSPITAL. The chief would be much more useful going back to the station and making sure an ambulance gets out...even if it means....gasp.....the chief drives or techs the call.

At l we both agree chief's cars are perks. Maybe if they were abused less, there would be more volunteers, and less need to have paid crews. But we all know, a free car to use and abuse is more important than anything else.

[Unregisteredpuhleeze]

I think the chiefs should lose thr fancy cars and get paychecks. Oh yes 100k to start plus benefits and raises due every three years. This way my chief might get a few days off to spend with the rest of our family; and not be interrupted during dinner too. That's the solution to this whole volunteer mess. Next time the chief passes a kid hit by a car, on his way to his real job, wave any say you're sorry. The taxpayers won't allow me to help you. You don't live in my fire district. Sorry pal, you have to bleed to death cause you didn't pay taxes to my district and my car is parked at home. (any wiseguys, I've seen chiefs stop many times to help out many kinds of situtations. Time is of the essance all too often and even with a full house standing by, it still takes time to get to the scene.)

Long Island is my HOME! Volunteering time keeps monies spent on employment down and trying to keep taxes undercontrol. Take any study you may have seen and toss it out the window. None of these studies provide a five, ten and 15 year projected cost of living scale. None of these studies provide for union negotiations and that's only a fraction of the full economic model. Perhaps our schools and justice system should be looked into for cutting waisted money. Perhaps laws should be scrutinized better to serve the public at large. There is virtually nothing protecting the fire departments from bng sued for employing selection in thr acceptance of membership. So stop beating the guy who earned a perk. There is no such thing as a "FREE LUNCH." (Notice I did say he earned it.) Come down and join and see if you can hump the hoses before you nock the ones that do.


Please. Are you suggsting that the rank and file guys WHO DRIVE THR OWN CARS wouldn't stop to help a kid. Driving a car I paid for as a taxpayer has nothing to do with whether or not someone stops. Why can't chiefs drive thr own cars. Why do depts need 4 and 5 cars or SUVs? There are plenty of other perks -rec rooms with plasma tvs, slot machines and open bars, not to mention the trips. You can't rally call it volunteering if you're doing it for the perks. And yeah, I'd rather lay out the bucks for the paychecks - plenty of more qualified folks willing to do the job at $50K without the holier-than thou attitude. And they probably wouldn't get off on a "working 13" call.

[soupnazi]

atl it was a chief and not that d ouch greg gottlieb 3-8-40 pretending to be the dist fire marshal, TALK ABOUT A WASTE OF TAX PAYER $$$$$$

hes not even a real fire marshal, the county and town of have thr own f/m, why does haupp need one? get rid of this jerk off, he's annoyed everyone from hauppauge to the hamptons!

[Unregistered1]

Please. Are you suggsting that the rank and file guys WHO DRIVE THR OWN CARS wouldn't stop to help a kid. Driving a car I paid for as a taxpayer has nothing to do with whether or not someone stops. Why can't chiefs drive thr own cars. Why do depts need 4 and 5 cars or SUVs? There are plenty of other perks -rec rooms with plasma tvs, slot machines and open bars, not to mention the trips. You can't rally call it volunteering if you're doing it for the perks. And yeah, I'd rather lay out the bucks for the paychecks - plenty of more qualified folks willing to do the job at $50K without the holier-than thou attitude. And they probably wouldn't get off on a "working 13" call.


I never suggested that any volunteer FF/EMT wouldn't stop to help. They are a truely special breed that is why they do what they do (voluteer or professional). What I am saying is that these fancy cars carry equipment that can speed the treatment/service (depending on the type of incident and I was speaking of outside the home fire district). In my dept. the chiefs must be at l NYS certified EMT. As far as abuse of the car, I don't know of any. Anyone who's ever needed the service in a hurry would be the ones to ask (except for Newsday). But I will give you that as in every walk of government there is abuses, costly abuses to the taxpayers. One still must wgh the alternatives (hint: your economic profile needs a little work if you think a paid service on LI isn't going to go through the roof. just look at schools and PD budget planning and who is making these plans)(hint: this is why we vote). Just because a firefighter is paid, doesn't mean he is more qualified to do the job (I guess the FDNY guys aren't qualified after thr shift ends). Each department must be looked at individually as far as training goes. There are some (and I suspect most at this day in time) departments that are diligent in training. So much so they one might think there are no alarms only training (and I live in one of the top 10 busiest towns), then do thr regular jobs as well (but I guess only paid FFs have common sence enogh to do this job, just look at the pay scales compaired to other lines of work). With all of the NFPA and OSHA guidlines, rules and restrictions, volunteer firefighting is no longer a hobby. The volunteers must spend many hours training both at the fire house and at certified training centers. The taxpayer gets a lot for thr money when one adds up how the money is spent towards this education. Which does make me curious about one thing. Most of the traing (on Long Island) is taught by paid professional firefighters/instructors. Why is it constantly referred to on this board as volunteer FFs bng hobby/substandard firefighters? Are these firefighting instructors doing a substanard job traing the voluteers and taking money for thr service that could some day risk a life or are they just in it as a paid hobby? The argument is null and void. It is impossible to believe anyone in this business would take money for the hell of it and be so void of responsibility and ethics. This argument will go on until an objective (like Newsday, yeah right LOL) organization looks into all aspect of firefighting (like becoming a member to get some hands on views) and reporting all sides of the story. Government waste will always be there. The topics of fire district spending (the smallest form of government) is just a popular venue to air uninformed complaints. Ask yourself this, if the smallest form of government is so corrupt, what's going on further up the food chain that we all pay for and is the report where to go to fix things? I admit to reading the LIP. It's better than any soap opera writter could create. This is American and we all have the right to our opinions. To the volunteer and professional FFs thank you for the work you do and please don't ever let this argument keep you from bng all that you are. Be safe.

[outrage on LI]

I really do not understand why people are so hell bent against a Chief getting and using a Chief's car for thr PERSONAL use they need it WHEN AN ALARM COME OUT!! I do sort of agree that it really does not belong in Manhattan but then again most take thr own cars off the road while they are going through the ranks for 8 years!! And I do sort of agree that some take advantage and they SHOULD be dealt with. I do not think there are many of us out there who wants to pay for insurance for a car that just sits there. I know I wouldn't. What is the solution? Maybe they could pay for thr own gas if using the car for commuting??

Besides that..... They need the car at the time of an alarm. Should they go home and get the car then use it? RIGHT!!! The Chief is there to GET TO THE SCENE FIRST!! For size up!! To see if your house is burning down! HELLO!! So what if his family is in the car WHO CARES maybe only the jealous one.

I really do feel that you should THINK about what the VOLUNTEERS do before you complain. They are ON DUTY 24/7/365 ARE YOU?? Don't think so!

Please let it go already. There are way more important things in life to worry about!

Stay safe!

[FF/EMT]

As far as abuse of the car, I don't know of any.

Why is it constantly referred to on this board as volunteer FFs bng hobby/substandard firefighters?

If you haven't seen any abuses of the chief's cars, just look around and see just how far out of district you find them. If that doesn't work, just ask the chief how much income he reported to the IRS for the personal use of his district vehicle.

Volunteer FFs (I am one) are not as good as a full time, professional FFs. As much time as we put in, I'd guess a full time FF puts in 3 to 4 times as much. I know I would be better at anything if I put in that much extra time. Unless a department is made up of FDNY folks on thr days off, we should not kid ourselves about how good we are. But since we rarely have fires, I think this is OK and cost effective. I just don't want to kid myself that I'm as good as a professional FF.

[Attention Ballbags]

Though there are abuses in every form on the island. Town Hall, building department, School districts (biggest legalized crooks), you name it, it has its perks, including chiefs of fire departments. Though you see them in thr "fancy cars" as you put it, any idea how they got there? D you have any idea what they are responsible for, thr liabilities? Shut your fucking mouth and listen. In order to be a chief, you need experiance, training and committment. THis means having to go to meetings, while your wife and kids sit home alone. This means babysitting grown adults who do not know how to act. Not every deaprtment crashes block parties. The chief is the first one on scene, making critical decisions. You all are quick to see the free car, gas. The chief of my department goes to HQ on Mondays for 3 hours of paperwork, and meetings with the other chiefs in the department. Then they meet with the Board of Fire Commies. THese are theones who spend YOUR TAX MONEY. Go look at the new fence, the new pond, the new toys, then ask where the essentials are? When you see the chief in his car with his family, then he is outside someone's house perfoming CPR on a cardiac patient, are you going to bitch then. I really hope you sit down and speak to a member of a department, they can show you where the real abuses are. Hiring friends, and members for departmental jobs. Hiring firends outside the department for contactor jobs. Go see how the BOFC spends your money and then bitch.

[FF/EMT]

Though there are abuses in every form on the island. Town Hall, building department, School districts (biggest legalized crooks), you name it, it has its perks, including chiefs of fire departments. Though you see them in thr "fancy cars" as you put it, any idea how they got there? D you have any idea what they are responsible for, thr liabilities? Shut your fucking mouth and listen. In order to be a chief, you need experiance, training and committment. THis means having to go to meetings, while your wife and kids sit home alone. This means babysitting grown adults who do not know how to act. Not every deaprtment crashes block parties. The chief is the first one on scene, making critical decisions. You all are quick to see the free car, gas. The chief of my department goes to HQ on Mondays for 3 hours of paperwork, and meetings with the other chiefs in the department. Then they meet with the Board of Fire Commies. THese are theones who spend YOUR TAX MONEY. Go look at the new fence, the new pond, the new toys, then ask where the essentials are? When you see the chief in his car with his family, then he is outside someone's house perfoming CPR on a cardiac patient, are you going to bitch then. I really hope you sit down and speak to a member of a department, they can show you where the real abuses are. Hiring friends, and members for departmental jobs. Hiring firends outside the department for contactor jobs. Go see how the BOFC spends your money and then bitch.

Very motivational! You are definitely management material!

[Unregisteredalr]

buddy, you have a lot to learn about how a business works. first of all, don't forget that this is a business we are in. Second if it where a business run by real board members and not department members who all have major conflicts of interest, then his Ass as chief and his actions and misuse of district and department equipment would get his ass FIRED and jailed. years of service and experience grant you the privilege of bng voted in as Chief, NOT THE RIGHT. One needs to just look at Smithtown to see how a Chief abuses his privileges and yet expects his department and the board to back him.
I certainly DO NOT want a Chief racing to any scene with two car seats in the back of a car with two young kids in the back for a cardiac arrest. Are you out of your F"?#ing mind. Fire services and ambulance services are starting to loose control of things they can do already, one by one. its not because of anything more than ABUSE of power and privileges they recve. Stop towting what this Chief does. There have been many before him, and there will be many after him that do it the right way.
we should do what Smithtown has not been able to do, and dump this Chief.

[Unregistered1]

At l the Hauppague Chief was in DAMN DISTRICT !!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah...speeding to 7/11 with his teenage daughter in the car I friggin paid for!!!!

join asshole and you too could speed any where you want if you have what it takes to be chief,,,,,,

[Unregistered1]

F U C K I N G Family Members Shouldn't Be In The Chiefs Cars. They Shouldn't Be Used To Go Back And Forth To Work. They Should Be Used For Company Business Morons!!

Scream About It All You Want.....taxpayers Are Getting Screwed Everytime One Of You A S S H O L E Fire Or Ems Chiefs Drive Your 50,000 Dollar Suv To Work.

Newsday.....please Look Into This And Put The Screws To The Fire Departments And Ems Companines Throughout Suffolk And Nassau County....

so while any one is chief they should not be allowed to have anything to do with thr family just respond to alarms i hope all you whining ass holes get what you want paid depts then we will see how many people will have to leave long island because of taxes and you can say you beat the volly system.

[Head Out Of Your A$$]

I RECOMMEND YOU ALL GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR A$$ES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE AMAZING SERVICE, KNOWN AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PLEASE DO SELF ABORTION.
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[Unregistered99]

I RECOMMEND YOU ALL GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR A$$ES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE AMAZING SERVICE, KNOWN AS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, PLEASE DO SELF ABORTION.
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Please....the vollies are a bunch of beer-drinking wannabees whose wives are screwing the nghbors while they circle jerk in the rec room.

[Unregisteredreslighter]

if the wives are not screwing the nghbors, then there screwing the Chiefs. Look at Smithtown's STD whot apparently is screwing anything & everything within reach.

[Glocks]

How did this topic get so convoluded??

The crux is from what i can tell is that Department vehicles may be to numerous and possibly abused for personal gain .

The point is that the Chief or Asst Chief who is responding to the majority of the alarms i would say warrants the vehicle assigned. However there needs to be stricter guidelines (BOFC) for those who do not respond as often as they perhaps should .
In no way should these vehicles ever leave the confines of the district on a regular basis . I dont get free fuel ,insurance and maintainence on my my car to go to work and as a taxpayer I feel nther should anyone else at my expense.

The other point is that some departments have more Chiefs cars and Responders than ambulances. One in particular has (5) Chiefs Cars, which are all occupied, productive however is another story. They also have (4) responder vehicles. Sadly The 1st Responder vehicles are taken out of service if a chief needs to send thr assigned Chiefs Car in for service. To Me thats just arrogant.


That same department has paid personell on 24 hours a day who are sadly in need of raises. How do you justify this excessive expenses on the vehicles versus paying those who work for you to the tax payers ?? I as a chief couldnt .

Kudos to those departments who are policing thr own instead of letting the NYS AG or the SCDA do it . (They are watching )

[marlboroman]

Sounds like a lot of jealousy to me!

[FF/EMT]

Sounds like a lot of jealousy to me!

I disagree. Taxpayers are not jealous of corrupt politicians, they just think they are abusing thr position for personal gain. It is the same for fire chiefs. Members are typically not jealous ther. They just disappointed because corruption at the top diminishes the pride they feel as volunteers.

[outrage on LI]

How did this topic get so convoluded??

The crux is from what i can tell is that Department vehicles may be to numerous and possibly abused for personal gain .

The point is that the Chief or Asst Chief who is responding to the majority of the alarms i would say warrants the vehicle assigned. However there needs to be stricter guidelines (BOFC) for those who do not respond as often as they perhaps should .
In no way should these vehicles ever leave the confines of the district on a regular basis . I dont get free fuel ,insurance and maintainence on my my car to go to work and as a taxpayer I feel nther should anyone else at my expense. ***********YOU GET A PAYCHECK AND YOU AREN'T ON CALL 24/7/365 and EXPECTED TO ANSWER EVERY ALARM.

The other point is that some departments have more Chiefs cars and Responders than ambulances. One in particular has (5) Chiefs Cars, which are all occupied, productive however is another story. They also have (4) responder vehicles. Sadly The 1st Responder vehicles are taken out of service if a chief needs to send thr assigned Chiefs Car in for service. To Me thats just arrogant. ******ABSOLUTELY AGREE ON THAT.. I DON'T GET WHY THERE ARE 4 RESPONDER CARS.. AND THEN WHEN THE CHIEF DRIVES A MARKED RESPONDER CAR DOES HE STOP AND RENDER FIRST AID?


That same department has paid personell on 24 hours a day who are sadly in need of raises. How do you justify this excessive expenses on the vehicles versus paying those who work for you to the tax payers ?? I as a chief couldnt . ********** WHY DO YOU SAY SADLY? AREN'T THEY BNG PAID BY WHAT CIVIL SERVICE SUGGESTS?

Kudos to those departments who are policing thr own instead of letting the NYS AG or the SCDA do it . (They are watching )

The bottom line is. yes some Chief's abuse the car but for the most part they are on call 24/7/365. and they VOLUNTEER thr time--- Nobody else has a job that requires that commitment. Come on stop bng jealous and start seng what good is bng done. I am not a Chief's wife. I am just someone who is tired of seng everyone overlooking the other person. People complain about how much cops make, about the free cars chief's get, how the town workers just stand there when someone else is working hard.... come on everyone. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF Improve your own life, stop worrying about what the other people are doing.
LIFE IS TOO SHORT!

Have a safe day- in whatever job you are doing!!

[Glocks]

Outrage on LI wrote;


"People complain about how much cops make, about the free cars chief's get, how the town workers just stand there when someone else is working hard.... come on everyone. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF Improve your own life, stop worrying about what the other people are doing. "

I AM WORRYING ABOUT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. Do you own a home ?? The taxes are stupid on LI . I was raised here and love it here . I do not mind paying my share for that . IT MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT THOUGH , to see these folks driving there DEPARTMENT VEHICLES TO WORK. NO INSURANCE PAYMENTS , NO GAS PAYMENT , NO REPAIR CHARGES all ON MY DIME , TELL ME THAT DOSENT LOOK BAD . Im sorry about the CAPS, but its frustrating to me . IT HAS TO STOP . ALL the factors mentioned in your reply affect every single taxpayer , I cant belve you would stand by and let all these folks as I see it steal money right out of your wallet ??

Also a last thought on this , I will not stop worrying about what other people are doing as long as these folks are getting there funds from us the Taxpayers.

[Chiefsupport]

I am not a member of the department mentioned here but let me add some perspective. I too am a taxpayer here on Long Island. But in defense of the Chief's vehicles let me say this. They are for the most part in laymans terms unpaid managers of a company. They are legally responsible for most issues involving the Department. Besides running calls they must manage all the needs of the members, attend numerous meetings, manage personnel issues including scheduling of training, physicals, equipment, apparatus, answering public inquiries, preparing incident reports for calls. There are many hours spent doing these things by a responsible Chief's Office. A Chief for the most part in my Department responds to almost every call be it Fire or Rescue at any given hour of the day. If my Chief was on his way home from work, grocery shopping, a Dr's appt, dropping his/her children at school or something like that and an alarm came over I would want him to be able to respond immediately without him/her having to go back home or the Firehouse that he is based out of to retrieve his vehicle that cariies his gear and important resources. Would it be fair to ask him to carry all these things in his personal vehicle? I think not. Yes they chose to take these positions, but with these positions comes great responsibilities and in most cases a great deal of sacrifice by thr families. I think you might get a drift of where I am going with this. Hopefully most will understand. And for the record I am nther a Chief nor would I ever want to be. I'll stick to riding the ambulance or the back of the truck. Thanks.

[Unregisteredscff]

Outrage on LI wrote;


"People complain about how much cops make, about the free cars chief's get, how the town workers just stand there when someone else is working hard.... come on everyone. WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF Improve your own life, stop worrying about what the other people are doing. "

I AM WORRYING ABOUT MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. Do you own a home ?? The taxes are stupid on LI . I was raised here and love it here . I do not mind paying my share for that . IT MAKES ME WANT TO VOMIT THOUGH , to see these folks driving there DEPARTMENT VEHICLES TO WORK. NO INSURANCE PAYMENTS , NO GAS PAYMENT , NO REPAIR CHARGES all ON MY DIME , TELL ME THAT DOSENT LOOK BAD . Im sorry about the CAPS, but its frustrating to me . IT HAS TO STOP . ALL the factors mentioned in your reply affect every single taxpayer , I cant belve you would stand by and let all these folks as I see it steal money right out of your wallet ??

Also a last thought on this , I will not stop worrying about what other people are doing as long as these folks are getting there funds from us the Taxpayers.

Look at your tax bill, look real hard your fire taxes are nothing compared to your School taxes. But you are here bashing the Emergency services.

Why because if you go up against the School district and thr buracracy the first thing they threaten is the children and thr programs. So you take the easy route and attack the emergency services portion of your tax bill. Why not? What can they threaten? Not much I guess we just keep responding to emergencies and doing our job while people continue to attack us in complete ignorance.

So here is the Big Question Mr. Concerned Taxpayer: There were budget hearings held in every fire district last night. Did you attend your's? Did you go and learn just where the money collected from Taxpayers is spent? Did you get up and voice your questions?

Don't say you didn't know about this is was well publicized in the papers on the news and on the local fire house signs. This is part of the new legislation to make all this process transparent.

I'll bet you did none of the above, but post all over this site spinelessly criticizing services you may never had to use therefore seem expendable and easy to attack.

Chief's in my Department put in almost as many hours as thr full time jobs, that is time away from thr families. Yet you would begrudge them the chief's truck. Here is a nugget for you to ponder, imagine what your tax bill would look like with a paid department....Salaries, Benefits, Pensions for that Chief, plus the cost of the vehicle and gas 24/7.

Wow some people are just so petty.

[outrage on LI]

AMEN!!! to that!

Unfortunately they just DON'T GET IT!! I too am not a Chief nor would I ever want to be.. way too much responsibility! I say more power to them... what they have to put up with daily they should have thr mortgage paid for during thr term. <----- kidding of course. Having a paid vehicle is pennies.

[Unregistered11111]

If you haven't seen any abuses of the chief's cars, just look around and see just how far out of district you find them. If that doesn't work, just ask the chief how much income he reported to the IRS for the personal use of his district vehicle.

Volunteer FFs (I am one) are not as good as a full time, professional FFs. As much time as we put in, I'd guess a full time FF puts in 3 to 4 times as much. I know I would be better at anything if I put in that much extra time. Unless a department is made up of FDNY folks on thr days off, we should not kid ourselves about how good we are. But since we rarely have fires, I think this is OK and cost effective. I just don't want to kid myself that I'm as good as a professional FF.

so what your saying is if we are getting a paycheck to put out the same ammount of fires that we put out now we would be better firefighters?

[FF/EMT]

so what your saying is if we are getting a paycheck to put out the same ammount of fires that we put out now we would be better firefighters?

No, of course not. What I'm saying is that if I was putting out 3-4 times as many fires as I do now and train 3-4 times as much, I'd be a better FF.

[hfd member]

Why is it I constantly see the HAUPPAUGE FD Chief's car with family members in it at the 7-11, racing down Townline Road with no lights and sirens and in various shopping center parking lots around town? NEVER ON IT'S WAY TO A FIRE!!! Is this what my tax money is spent on???? NEWSDAY LOOK INTO THIS!!! NYS COMPTROLLER: AUDIT THEM!

Because when the chief’s pager goes’s off in the middle of his shopping, he is leaving the store to go on the alarm. I think if you are so concerned, you should look into this, you have no clue how the department works. This go's for all the members of the department. We get a pager, when there is a call, the pager go's off, and we leave whatever we are doing (sleeping, shopping, Christmas morning, our kids birthday party) to respond to this call. The members respond to the fire house while the chiefs respond to the scene from wherever they are. When you call 911 don’t you want someone there fast? Do you know the average time a chief waits on scene for an engine due to the fact that he go's directly to the scene? In this time many vital things are done, a size up of the fire, rescues in many cases, fire containment in many cases. I’m sure when your on the floor in your kitchen unconscious you wont complain that the chiefs car was parked in the parking lot when he leaves his groceries with his wife in the car and pulls you out of your house! Get a clue before you run your mouth asshole! Next time you see that chief car ask him what his schedule it for the week. Ask him the last time he sat down to an uninterrupted dinner with his family. I’m telling you right now that will change the way you feel about the chief.

[hfd member]

Why is it I constantly see the HAUPPAUGE FD Chief's car with family members in it at the 7-11, racing down Townline Road with no lights and sirens and in various shopping center parking lots around town? NEVER ON IT'S WAY TO A FIRE!!! Is this what my tax money is spent on???? NEWSDAY LOOK INTO THIS!!! NYS COMPTROLLER: AUDIT THEM!

And by the way, 30's son is an ff/emt and daughter is an EMT, 31's fiancé is a lieutenant (of another dept)/EMT, and 32's wife is a ff/emt. So when they respond with one of them in the car, 2 people CPR is allot better than one!

[Glocks]

Unregisteredscff "

I did go to the Firehouse and yes i did voice my opinion to the Fire Commissioners . They were appreciative that I HAD THE BALLS TO SAY SOMETHING.

. They were kind enough to explain in detail were the money goes except for the fund drive money. I was impressed by the presentation as i looked at that the shiny bar taps .

I am not ignorant as you implied , I still stand by the opinion these vehicles shouldnot utilized on a regualr basis out of the district and most cases out of the county for personal use (Work transportation Vehicles) .

You tool around district, who the hell cares have fun , my only question is how many responders have put there families at serious risk responding to an alarm with the famiy members in the vehicle .


As far as the school taxes , I am a very vocal member of the audience at budget time . I have met with those who may or maynot be qualified to handle millions of dollars , in which that scares me as well .

If it seemed like I implied I was begrudging anyone for thr service I apologize . But I strongly believe if no one questions the financial operation of the services we pay for than it can become a hotbed for financial impropriety.

Again sorry if seems like an attack on the persons who are volunterring , it realy is not.

[bumpman12]

bumpman12

[Unregistered666]

And by the way, 30's son is an ff/emt and daughter is an EMT, 31's fiancé is a lieutenant (of another dept)/EMT, and 32's wife is a ff/emt. So when they respond with one of them in the car, 2 people CPR is allot better than one!

And his 12 year old daughter douchebag...how will she help anyone???

[hfd member]

And his 12 year old daughter douchebag...how will she help anyone???

who's 12 year old daughter? - you sure youre talking about hauppauge?

[Unregistered3840]

who's 12 year old daughter? - you sure youre talking about hauppauge?

just stop posting and this will go away

[not FDNY]

Unregisteredscff "

I did go to the Firehouse and yes i did voice my opinion to the Fire Commissioners . They were appreciative that I HAD THE BALLS TO SAY SOMETHING.

. They were kind enough to explain in detail were the money goes except for the fund drive money. I was impressed by the presentation as i looked at that the shiny bar taps .

I am not ignorant as you implied , I still stand by the opinion these vehicles shouldnot utilized on a regualr basis out of the district and most cases out of the county for personal use (Work transportation Vehicles) .

You tool around district, who the hell cares have fun , my only question is how many responders have put there families at serious risk responding to an alarm with the famiy members in the vehicle .


As far as the school taxes , I am a very vocal member of the audience at budget time . I have met with those who may or maynot be qualified to handle millions of dollars , in which that scares me as well .

If it seemed like I implied I was begrudging anyone for thr service I apologize . But I strongly believe if no one questions the financial operation of the services we pay for than it can become a hotbed for financial impropriety.

Again sorry if seems like an attack on the persons who are volunterring , it realy is not.

i think what you need to understand is that we are not the FDNY. in the city you have crews sitting in the fire house waiting for the call, we dont. in the city the rigs are first on scene unlike out here where it's usually a chief. things are very different and it seems to me like you are makng it seem like the city does it like this, so should we. thats not how it works we are very different and must be run different with very different expenditures. our chiefs have to take there cars with them to do there job efficiantly. yes they "race around town with them". what do you reccomend, they use there personal cars for thr personal buisness and respond to the firehouse to get the chief car? it makes no sense, letting them use there car for personal buisness is the most sensable thing. and as for shiney bar taps, i guess you didnt get a good look at them, there older than me. our chiefs all understand the imporntance of safelly responding to incidents and yes any time your drivng lights and sirens your putting yourself and everyone in the car at risk but when the chiefs stood up and were sworn in, thr family was standing behind them and they are aware that everytime they get in the car they may be going to a call.

[goldmember88]

not to mention, that chief's are taxpayers too.

[Glocks]

Not FDNY" thanks for the civilized response,

I agree the Chiefs use of a vehicle is critical while responding to a Fire/EMS call within the district or at a nghbooring districts request . I wouldnt expect the Chief while shopping at the market to run home or to the fire house to get a Chiefs Vehicle to respond to an alarm in . You are right thats pointless and possibly deadly.

I promise this is my last word on this , to me the vehicles have no use to anyone in the district served if they are parked in new york city for 8 to sometimes 24 hours at a clip .

Again its the policy not the responder that seems a miss.
"Not FDNY" ,Thank You again for the Civility

[Unregistered1]

The point made about safety of passengers in the chief's car can be validated. My quetion looks at the scenario from a slightly different point of view. Is it not a motor vehicle law in New York State that the vehicle operator must yield the right of way to all emergency vehicle when lights and sirens are activated? Could someone please explain why most drivers chose to ignore this regulation? Would all drivers be safer if they were to slow down, stop talking on the cell phone and pay attention to thr surroundings? And finally, should the fire service be able to police drivers who choose to ignore this very rule? I have personally wittnessed drivers committing these infrations and nothing is ever done about it. In some instances Mr. and/or Ms. Public have jeopardized mva collision (usually on a cell phone). The fire vehicle operators must attend many training sessions to become qualified to drive. Mr. Taxpayer, this is some of your tax dollars hard at work.

[Glocks]

Unregistered 1 I agree 110% as I ylded the right of way I have witnessed JOHN Q SCHMUCK trying to outrun a a damn fire truck an nearly getting creamed !!!

Maybe along with the Volly recruiting spots on TV perhaps the service can incorporate a word about failure to yld as like the LIRR and going around Gates that are down . Both of which can cause a poor outcome for a good day.

I think all fire and EMS apparatus should have a dash mtd or something similar a traffic camera. This way when an idiot fails to obey the VTL they can be perhaps held accountable . Also it would vindicate the emergency vehicle operator in the event of an accident. Although that maybe a double edge sword in some cases .
Thanks .....

[Unregisteredfdny]

City bosses take the cars home............and they get some flunky to drive them???????????????????

[outrage on LI]

City bosses take the cars home............and they get some flunky to drive them???????????????????

umm interesting... and the FF who has to drive this city boss during his regular shift is getting paid to NOT fight fires and they must have to replace this FF so they dont leave the house short... and people are complaining about a tank of gas... Think of the waste there in FDNY!! and BTW I COULD GIVE A RATS ASS that this is going on. WHO CARES!!

[Firehouse Junkie]

GLOCKS - I appreciate that you went down to the firehouse to voice your opinion, and to give the effort to actually learn about what we do instead of just arbitrarily bashing the fire service.

In your last post, you said the car does no good to the taxpayers when it is parked out of district (just to keep it broad because not all volly chiefs work in the city - against popular belief). I do agree with that point, but can you answer this question?

If the FD Car/SUV is parked in thr driveway while they take thr personal car to work, or the FD Car/SUV is parked at thr job, is it doing any good to the taxpayers? The chief is not available to respond ther way. It's not as if somone else will take that car and respond with it. Now, if you want to bring that up as the problem - then I think you have a valid argument.

So save for a few gallons of gas there is no difference. If fuel consumption is an issue, calculate the fuel expense of four firetrucks, a couple of chiefs cars, and a couple of police cars responding to and from the next false alarm - caused by some idiot smoking in the bathroom or fire alarm technician who forgot to call the dispatchers before working on the system.

[Unregistered2008]

GLOCKS - I appreciate that you went down to the firehouse to voice your opinion, and to give the effort to actually learn about what we do instead of just arbitrarily bashing the fire service.

In your last post, you said the car does no good to the taxpayers when it is parked out of district (just to keep it broad because not all volly chiefs work in the city - against popular belief). I do agree with that point, but can you answer this question?

If the FD Car/SUV is parked in thr driveway while they take thr personal car to work, or the FD Car/SUV is parked at thr job, is it doing any good to the taxpayers? The chief is not available to respond ther way. It's not as if somone else will take that car and respond with it. Now, if you want to bring that up as the problem - then I think you have a valid argument.

So save for a few gallons of gas there is no difference. If fuel consumption is an issue, calculate the fuel expense of four firetrucks, a couple of chiefs cars, and a couple of police cars responding to and from the next false alarm - caused by some idiot smoking in the bathroom or fire alarm technician who forgot to call the dispatchers before working on the system.


You can't be serious...
A car driven to Manhattan has:
Higher fuel costs at $2.89 per gallon.
Wear and tear on the vehicle - excess mileage
Increased odds of an accident.
More loss of public trust.

And yeah, I think bogus calls shoudl be billed back to the party at fault.

[Unregistered1234]

ditto

[unregistered200000]

Hey you talk about the vehicle not helping anyone when it is sitting at the Chief's place of work and someone brings up a great point about it not doing any good sitting in the Chief's driveway ther. You all talk about the high taxes and those three points reminded me of a conversation that took place in my Rec Room with a past Chief (who by the way worked inside our district and owned the business so he responded to alarms). A member was complaining about another chief who takes his car to work and the point was made that a lot if not most people who live in our district have second or third jobs (and it is not beacuse of the Fire Tax) and this Chief could not fulfill his obligation as chief and his fulltime paid job and get a second job(or third depending how you look at it) This Chief may or may not have been able to afford a car payment without the extra job. I know one thing if had to work a second paying job that Chief's Car would be sitting in his driveway doing nobody good. So if you want to look at it that he is bng sort of compensated for the extra time (not to belittle the job a average volunteer puts in) than I think you getting off easy. The proof to me that this thinking was accurate was about a month after his term was up he got a second job.
Just a little different way of looking at it.

[outrage on LI]

Hey you talk about the vehicle not helping anyone when it is sitting at the Chief's place of work and someone brings up a great point about it not doing any good sitting in the Chief's driveway ther. You all talk about the high taxes and those three points reminded me of a conversation that took place in my Rec Room with a past Chief (who by the way worked inside our district and owned the business so he responded to alarms). A member was complaining about another chief who takes his car to work and the point was made that a lot if not most people who live in our district have second or third jobs (and it is not beacuse of the Fire Tax) and this Chief could not fulfill his obligation as chief and his fulltime paid job and get a second job(or third depending how you look at it) This Chief may or may not have been able to afford a car payment without the extra job. I know one thing if had to work a second paying job that Chief's Car would be sitting in his driveway doing nobody good. So if you want to look at it that he is bng sort of compensated for the extra time (not to belittle the job a average volunteer puts in) than I think you getting off easy. The proof to me that this thinking was accurate was about a month after his term was up he got a second job.
Just a little different way of looking at it.

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??

[FF/EMT]

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING??

I think he was saying the chief was struggling a bit financially. He couldn't afford a car of his own without working another job. He needed a free car from the district to compensate him for not bng able to work another job because of the time demands of bng a chief.

While I feel for the guy, I would hope the first priority for everyone in the fire service is to take care of your family. If you have extra time after that, community service is very rewarding.

I don't think this is a good enough reason to provide free cars and gas to every chief on Long Island to use tax-free for personal use. I think the public would understand tax-free for official business, but pay taxes on "personal" use. Even then, I'm sure some of us would delude ourselves and think a ski trip to Vermont in a chief's car is "official business" because we are on call 7 x 24.

[Unregistered7865432]

Joe Beltrani is god...

[Unregistered11035500]

There are no different then all the other fire depts. Why pick on them. Just think how much less the budget could be with all the gas saving by not allow thme to drive to the city, upstate. With gas going up!!!!