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Mylezylez
07-28-2003, 08:43 AM
Researchers help define what makes a political conservative

By Kathleen Maclay, Media Relations | 22 July 2003 (revised 7/25/03)

BERKELEY ? Politically conservative agendas may range from supporting the Vietnam War to upholding traditional moral and religious values to opposing welfare. But are there consistent underlying motivations?

Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and that some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

Fear and aggression

Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity

Uncertainty avoidance

Need for cognitive closure

Terror management


"From our perspective, these psychological factors are capable of contributing to the adoption of conservative ideological contents, ther independently or in combination," the researchers wrote in an article, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition," recently published in the American Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin.

Assistant Professor Jack Glaser of the University of California, Berkeley's Goldman School of Public Policy and Visiting Professor Frank Sulloway of UC Berkeley joined lead author, Associate Professor John Jost of Stanford University's Graduate School of Business, and Professor Arie Kruglanski of the University of Maryland at College Park, to analyze the literature on conservatism.

The psychologists sought patterns among 88 samples, involving 22,818 participants, taken from journal articles, books and conference papers. The material originating from 12 countries included speeches and interviews given by politicians, opinions and verdicts rendered by judges, as well as experimental, field and survey studies.

Ten meta-analytic calculations performed on the material - which included various types of literature and approaches from different countries and groups - yielded consistent, common threads, Glaser said.

The avoidance of uncertainty, for example, as well as the striving for certainty, are particularly tied to one key dimension of conservative thought - the resistance to change or hanging onto the status quo, they said.

The terror management feature of conservatism can be seen in post-Sept. 11 America, where many people appear to shun and even punish outsiders and those who threaten the status of cherished world views, they wrote.

Concerns with fear and threat, likewise, can be linked to a second key dimension of conservatism - an endorsement of inequality, a view reflected in the Indian caste system, South African aparthd and the conservative, segregationist politics of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-South S.C.).

Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change and acceptance of inequality, the authors said. Hitler, Mussolini, and former President Ronald Reagan were individuals, but all were right-wing conservatives because they preached a return to an idealized past and condoned inequality in some form. Talk host Rush Limbaugh can be described the same way, the authors commented in a published reply to the article.

This research marks the first synthesis of a vast amount of information about conservatism, and the result is an "elegant and unifying explanation" for political conservatism under the rubric of motivated social cognition, said Sulloway. That entails the tendency of people's attitudinal preferences on policy matters to be explained by individual needs based on personality, social interests or existential needs.

The researchers' analytical methods allowed them to determine the effects for each class of factors and revealed "more pluralistic and nuanced understanding of the source of conservatism," Sulloway said.

While most people resist change, Glaser said, liberals appear to have a higher tolerance for change than conservatives do.

As for conservatives' penchant for accepting inequality, he said, one contemporary example is liberals' general endorsement of extending rights and liberties to disadvantaged minorities such as gays and lesbians, compared to conservatives' opposing position.

The researchers said that conservative ideologies, like virtually all belief systems, develop in part because they satisfy some psychological needs, but that "does not mean that conservatism is pathological or that conservative beliefs are necessarily false, irrational, or unprincipled."

They also stressed that thr findings are not judgmental.

"In many cases, including mass politics, 'liberal' traits may be liabilities, and bng intolerant of ambiguity, high on the need for closure, or low in cognitive complexity might be associated with such generally valued characteristics as personal commitment and unwavering loyalty," the researchers wrote.

This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes, the researchers advised.

The latest debate about the possibility that the Bush administration ignored intelligence information that discounted reports of Iraq buying nuclear material from Africa may be linked to the conservative intolerance for ambiguity and or need for closure, said Glaser.

"For a variety of psychological reasons, then, right-wing populism may have more consistent appeal than left-wing populism, especially in times of potential crisis and instability," he said.

Glaser acknowledged that the team's exclusive assessment of the psychological motivations of political conservatism might be viewed as a partisan exercise. However, he said, there is a host of information available about conservatism, but not about liberalism.

The researchers conceded cases of left-wing ideologues, such as Stalin, Khrushchev or Castro, who, once in power, steadfastly resisted change, allegedly in the name of egalitarianism.

Yet, they noted that some of these figures might be considered politically conservative in the context of the systems that they defended. The researchers noted that Stalin, for example, was concerned about defending and preserving the existing Soviet system.

Although they concluded that conservatives are less "integratively complex" than others are, Glaser said, "it doesn't mean that they're simple-minded."

Conservatives don't feel the need to jump through complex, intellectual hoops in order to understand or justify some of thr positions, he said. "They are more comfortable seng and stating things in black and white in ways that would make liberals squirm," Glaser said.

He pointed as an example to a 2001 trip to Italy, where President George W. Bush was asked to explain himself. The Republican president told assembled world leaders, "I know what I believe and I believe what I believe is right." And in 2002, Bush told a British reporter, "Look, my job isn't to nuance."

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SuffolkMD
07-28-2003, 10:19 AM
Miles,

What should we do with this, now?

So am I to believe that a group of psychologist's have been able to "figure-out" the conservative mind-set?

Then I suppose another group has figured out the liberal mind-set?

Does this mean that "conservativism" is bad? Good?

Is "liberalism" bad? good?

What about that part about "conservatives" bng resistant to change. Is that bad? good?

For that matter, is change bad? good?

As usual, Miles, you have created more questions, and are short on answers. Care to get into any one of these questions with me?

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Mylezylez
07-28-2003, 10:56 AM
I have no answers. Do you? I doubt it.

But, as long as certain people label themselves "conservative" or "liberal", I think those labels are subject to definitions.



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SuffolkMD
07-28-2003, 12:10 PM
Just as I thought, Miles.

I thought you were trying to open another discussion. What was I thinking?

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Mylezylez
07-28-2003, 12:45 PM
But if you'd like, I was actually posting that to see what OTHER people thought of it.

In my personal experience, conservatism is often synonymous with a fear of uncertainty, a dogmatic attitude, alchoholism, physical abuse or anger, etc. I am NOT saying that EVERYONE who considers themselves "conservative" is like this, but strangely most of the conservatives I know display many of these traits.

Not only that, but many of my friends with VERY strict and/or religious upbringings are conservatives. And in general, I've noticed they are more prone to anger, frustration, intolerance, and stress.

I mean, look at the crazier groups who have allied themselves with the Republican party. The KKK mainly votes Republican, as do various anti-gay groups. That is not to say that ALL or even MOST Republicans are like this, but these groups certainly know the party to pick; the one that will support thr causes.

I'm talking about the roots of WHY people are the way they are. You realize that there are lots of reasons you believe what you believe, and I definately think certain personality traits result in various philosophies.
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real conservative
07-28-2003, 12:58 PM
Keep your hand out of my pocket and I will keep my hand out of your pocket. Don't bother me and I won't bother you. And above all, do not attack my unalienable enumerated rights as defined in the Bill of Rights.

goldglove51
07-29-2003, 10:40 AM
mylezylez, your last post was some of the most vacuous blather I've ever seen on a message board. Congratulations.

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Mylezylez
07-29-2003, 11:34 AM
I assume you disagree?
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goldglove51
07-29-2003, 11:59 AM
To be honest, I'm not sure. I have great difficulty responding to vacuous blather; it can be confusing, you know.

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Mylezylez
07-29-2003, 12:53 PM
Well, I suppose I'm asking if you agree with the conclusions drawn by this study. IS conservatism rooted in Fear and aggression, Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity, Uncertainty avoidance, Need for cognitive closure, and/or Terror management?
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NYIndependence
07-29-2003, 03:11 PM
Quote:The KKK mainly votes Republican, as do various anti-gay groups.The KKK is, of course, a rightist organization, so Miles has decided to assume that they must vote Republican. I, on the other hand, have a hard time believing that the KKK would support presidential runs like the Bush 2000 campaign that relied heavily on Condoleeza Rice and Ari Flsher. It is for this reason that I imagine that they would vote for parties which are much further to the right, like the USTP/Constitution Party, the America First Party, or the American Independent Party. Then again, that could just be me doing research before I shoot my mouth off (shame on me!!!)
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goldglove51
07-29-2003, 11:32 PM
mylezylez....unfortunately, the study cited is vacuous blather on a par with your own conclusions. Does that help?

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Scott
10-29-2003, 07:53 AM
Dear Mylezylez,

Thank you for taking time to post the findings of the Berkley Study on Conservatives, I very much like to see that kind of research bng done and made available for everyone to see! Perhaps Conservatives will take a second to read the findings of that research and take a minute to self evaluate and determine weather or not any of the listed traits are present in themselves.

I'm quite sure that that anyone who wishes to look inside themselves objectively will find that they posses to some degree all of the traits the study pinpointed in conservatives.

In fact now that I think about it for a minute if I were going to characterize the "Liberal Mindset" I would define it closely to the definitions Berkley found...please note the differences.

Fear and aggression...(Fear of Moral Definition of any kind, and aggression toward Moralists)

Dogmatism and TOTAL tolerance of ambiguity

Uncertainty and avoidance, (avoidance of making decisions based on fact and completely uncertain of what they really believe in)

Absolutely no need for Cognition

Not sure what the funk "terror management" is supposed to define, I assume its another example of pseudo-intellectualism that no one really understands, which is precisely why Liberals love ambiguity, it means that there is a remote chance that they might have a relevant point somewhere in the "vacuous blather" of thr existence.

So back to my original point, thank you for posting this article, it makes the liberal mindset very clear to me and will ultimately help the world to eventually figure out a way to treat Liberalism before it spreads to an unmanageable status.

Hopefully you feel a little beat up for your stupidity. You deserve it.

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Billybob
10-29-2003, 01:31 PM
Scott,

I believe Mylezylez was citing a BERKLEY study, which makes everyone's personal attacks against him rather silly.

In my opinion, this study does somewhat get to the heart of the conservative mindset. And by the way, "terror management" means (in this context) one's need to protect themselves against that which they fear, which is often motivated by insecurity. That's why self-proclaimed conservatives are more likely to support George W. Bush and his perpetual war. Bush had used people's fears of another 9/11 to push through almost any legislation he and his neoconservative buddies want. America has been tricked into giving this sociopath a blank check to spend however much he wants on him, his corporate campaign donors, and his family's business partners. Do you feel safer yet?
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REBEL
11-01-2003, 07:05 PM
Nothin' to do with anything, but do you live in California?
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Billybob
11-02-2003, 09:22 AM
In LA.
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REBEL
11-02-2003, 09:04 PM
Had a hunch.
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Reality
11-03-2003, 07:46 AM
a beautiful state where the politically and morally challenged reside. No one from California should be talking politics until they clean up thr own bankrupt state.
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Billybob
11-03-2003, 08:59 AM
"a beautiful state where the politically and morally challenged reside. No one from California should be talking politics until they clean up thr own bankrupt state."

I would have to say this ranks as one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read.

First of all, are you insinuating that because I live in California, who has recently been through a corruptly motivated recall election, which was based heavily on misinformation about the state's economy, and played on voters' cynicism about the government to elect a man who is in no way qualified to lead the state. He IS qualified to do the Bush administration's bidding, and help stack the deck in the GOP's favor for the upcoming presidential election though.

The California economy, which was touted by Arny and other GOP lackies as bng $40 billion, was actually $8 billion for the past 6 months. But that didn't stop the Republican party from repeating the mantra of "$40 billion", in order to manipulate public opinion. The $40 billion number was an estimate over 2 years anyway.

It's so wrd how you find so many reason to NOT listen to people (because of where they live, or what music they listen, or what religion they belong to, or what thr political beliefs are), that it's no wonder your view of politics is so narrow. "Certainty belongs only to those who own only one set of encyclopedias", a favorite writer of mine once said, and it rings very true. If you only listen to one source, then basically you're a moron, and are clueless about the subjectivity of reality, or relationships between labels (Terrorist, etc.), and the sensory-sensual world. A rose by any other name...
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Scott
11-11-2003, 08:12 AM
I apologize, I just get so darn angry when liberals start citing studies among each other like they're the authority. I mean, we really should trust and publish a study performed by a notoriously non-partisan school like Berkley. And shame on me for questioning the motives of Mylezylez in posting such valuable information. After some thought on the subject I'm sure that the sole purpose of the study was to help me look inside my self so that I could better deal with the "terror" that confronts me daily. This great fear that I've repressed for so long could perhaps be the reason I support such conservative candidates like George Bush Jr.

I think what I really need is to take some time alone and perhaps find a secluded lake somewhere and ponder life and my need for better terror management. Thanks for the constructive feedback Bill.

Now billy, I'm going to have to take issue with your statement regarding the California recall. I would have to say that despite the "motivations" of the recall, corrupt or interrupt, We The People voted Grayout Davis' out of office and Arny in. When dems win its democracy at its finest, when they lose, its a right wing conspiracy. You all cant seem to win on the issues so, take it to the courts and have another go round there see if you can get the 12th circuit court of appeals to side with you.

Your friend,
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Billybob
11-11-2003, 09:04 AM
Well, it seems you've decided that the Berkley study has no merit. Or have you? I still can't tell.

But what do you mean "win on the issues". Arnold REFUSED to debate unless the questions were provided in advance. On several occasions, he responded to questions about the economy by saying the people of California weren't interested in such matters. President Bush, and his ENTIRE administration refuses to answer basica questions about thr actions peri, and post 9/11, and have been blocking investigations into those actions. They don't seem to confront issues at all.

Another extreme example is Ann Coulter. If you read her book, it's almost ENTIRELY composed of assertions (or NOISE, as Korzybsky call it). "Liberals ARE snobs", "Liberals ARE traitors", etc. These are things that can't be proven or disproven, and sound downright silly when put into the more terms of "Liberals SEEM LIKE SNOBS TO ME", or "Liberals seem like traitors to me". Those statements would be more accurate, but they'd also require some evidence. Saying "Liberals ARE traitors" does not. I don't believe she proves her point very well. This is another method of avoiding issues.


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Scott
12-02-2003, 02:01 PM
Ya, I'm layin it on pretty thick...not surprised that you're still not sure where I stand on the validity of the berkley study in question, or are you bng facetious?

In response to your response I'll tell you a story about a friend of mine who in the middle of a completely unrealated conversation, started talking about a guy he knew that had a really nice Harley, and let him take a ride on it. It was such a stark tangent to the existing conversation that we all laughed at him and from that point on we nicknamed conversational tangents as "harley rides" of which my friend, your response to my post is an extreme version of.

Ann Coulter what? The chick is selling books to an audience that will buy them and your getting all hot and bothered. Somehow Ann Coulters audacity is supposed to now validate a study performed for dubious reasons by a college that allows thr students to come to class naked as an expression of thr creativity and uniqueness. I'm going to assume that you are a high school freshman enrolled in a political debate class, because your rebuttal is quite silly at best. Please don't bother to respond unless you've got something valid to say. Sorry for the insulting tone but come on.
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Billybob
12-03-2003, 12:11 PM
Well, you're still contesting this article I posted months ago. How useful...

But really, it was a scientific study, taking people who label themselves "conservatives" and trying to find common traits. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with Berkley. And actually, I'm not sure that the nudity thing you pointed out is true, but can I ask how that fact would taint the results of this study? Are you so fervently opposed to it's finding, that you'll look for anything that can taint its source? My personal experience as someone interested in human psychology suggests that this study IS accurate, at l somewhat. But of course, the result is met with the same anger, insecurity, and closed-mindedness that was the very CONCLUSION of this study.

But as for Ann Coulter (again). My point was that her writings are more full of empty assertions and wild accusations than even the people on this message board. If her book were graded by a 9th grade English teacher, she'd get a "D" and a note saying "must support your arguments". She, like many posters on this board, using circular logic to suggest thr point of view is the only correct one. But you're right, it was a bit off topic.
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