Israel and America, a evil alliance

[Michael Shaik]

American peace activist shot in the face from an Israeli APC in Jenin
Michael Shaik, International Solidarity Movement, 5 April 2003

Today at about 6.30 pm, Brian Avery, 24, of New Mexico was shot in the face by a burst of machine gun fire from an Israeli Armoured Personnel Carrier. The circumstances surrounding his injury are as follows.

Today the Israeli army of occupation operating in the Jenin area imposed its second day of curfew on the people of the city. Groups of young men and boys continued thr resistance to the curfew by venturing out onto the streets to throw stones at tanks and other military vehicles.

At about 6.30 pm Brian and another ISM activist were at the ISM's Jenin headquarters when they heard the sound of gunfire coming from the centre of the city, about two blocks away. They left the apartment to investigate and had traveled about a hundred metres when they arrived at a major crossroad and saw two armoured personnel carriers advancing towards them at low speed. There were no Palestinians on the streets in the area, armed or otherwise.

At the sight of the armoured vehicles both activists stood still and raised thr hands above thr heads.

When the first armoured personnel carrier was 50 metres from them it fired a burst of machine gun fire (an estimated 15 rounds) at the ground in front of them so that they were sprayed by a shower of broken bullets and stones. Tobias, Brian's companion, leapt aside. He had fled about three steps when he looked back to see Brian lying face down on the road in a pool of blood.

Tobias and Brian were then joined by four other ISM activists who had arrived at the scene of the shooting by a different route. All six of them rushed to help him as the two armoured vehicles rolled past without stopping. He was conscious but when he raised himself from the ground they saw that his left cheek has been almost totally shot off.

The activists then performed first aid on him and phoned for an ambulance which took him to the r Doctor Khalil Sulman Hospital in Jenin where he was treated for shrapnel wounds to his face including bone fractures below the eyes, lacerations of the tongue and lacerations of his left cheek. A specialist was called in to examine his injuries and recommended that he be transferred immediately to a hospital in Afula in Israel but his departure was delayed because the Israeli military refused to grant his ambulance safe passage for more than an hour.

From Afula Brian was transported to a hospital in Haifa by helicopter.

Under the Israeli Army's own rules of engagement soldiers are not permitted to fire warning shots with mounted weapons. They may fire warning shots with light hand held weapons and must aim away from the people they are warning.

When he was shot Brian was wearing a fluorescent red vest with a reflective white cross on its back and front.

[Scott]

Tragic yes also avoidable. I don't know about you but when I hear gunfire I would not run towards it. and when there is a curfew and you break it ... c'mon he got what he wanted, attention on a national level. There are other ways to protest than getting in the way.
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[Demented]

gets what he asked for.

(1) He had no business bng there.
(2) He obviously thinks he is inellectually and morally superior to the Israelis, who unfortunately know more about bng victims of terrorism and the present true intent of the Palestinians he champions-- than he does.
(3) He puts on his "superman" vest -- which supposedly identifies him as a peace activist -- and expects not to recve a bullet as an Israeli armored vehicle turns the corner in the middle of an ongoing firefight.
(4) Jerks deserve to die. He was a jerk. end of story.

[spyderman77]

no pity for the dumb

[Straight Up Citizen]

Wrong to be there? Absolutely.

Stupid? Absolutely.

Jerk deserved to die? No, no, no. People don't deserve to die for bng stupid, wrong or jerks. It doesn't make them heroes, but every needless death is a tragedy. Don't be so cold.
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[USN Ret]

The USS Liberty was attacked by the Israelis in 1967 and resulted in many dead and injured US Navy personnel. Did those "jerks" (as you describe them) deserve to die also? Israel has a proven track record of eliminating ANYONE who would expose thr true agenda. BTW....why don't we see film footage from the West Bank or Gaza????

[Skeptic]

Straight Up: We agree on this one. You said it very well.
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[truthseeker]

The USS Liberty incident

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Posted: September 3, 2002
1:00 a.m. ern


© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com


President Truman's almost instant recognition of the newly proclaimed state of Israel in 1948, followed by so many billions of dollars in U.S. aid, is evidence that the U.S. has been Israel's strongest ally.

Therefore, the theory that Israel, during the Six Day War in 1967, would have deliberately attacked the U.S.S. Liberty is utterly preposterous.

It is as preposterous as the idea that Capt. John Paul Jones would have been ordered by Gen. George Washington to sink the French troop ships bringing soldiers and artillery to help us win our war of independence.

But, just as that vicious and preposterous forgery – the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" – is still in circulation, so Arab propagandists and other Jew-baiters – plus some U.S. journalists who should surely know better – have continued raising this battle issue.

Despite 13 official investigations – 10 by the United States and three by Israel – all of which concluded that the attack on the Liberty was definitely a mistake, the charge of a deliberate Israeli attack on this U.S. spy ship is still bng made, even by some of the Liberty's crew, who circulate a newsletter. This charge is made despite the fact that two days before the attack on the Liberty, the United States announced in the United Nations that it had no ships within 100 miles of this war.

Now, Brassey's, a publisher in Dulles, Va., has produced what is surely the definitive coverage of what has been so distorted into the lowest point in the history of the U.S.-Israeli alliance. The book, "The Liberty Incident," is the result of 14 years of research by a retired U.S. Navy captain and fighter pilot who is now a federal-court judge in Miami, as well as a law school professor. A. Jay Cristol, Ph.D., spent 18 years as a naval aviator and 20 years in the Navy's Judge-Advocate General Corps.

This book is an historical masterpiece. It has the very strong commendations of three top ranking U.S. admirals, and Sen. John McCain who wrote:


Judge Cristol has reached a similar conclusion to one my father reached in his June 18, 1967, endorsement of the findings of the court of inquiry. I commend Judge Cristol for his thoroughness and fairness and I commend this book.


Particularly notable in this book is the manner in which Judge Cristol deals with some of his strongest opponents, the Liberty Veterans Association. While disagreng – in impressive detail – with many of thr claims, he notes:


The U.S. Navy recognized the heroism of the crew (of the Liberty) by awarding many citations as well as the highest unit award, the Presidential Unit Citation for "exceptionally meritorious and heroic achievement."


Judge Cristol also notes:


All of the surviving Liberty crew members suffered a horrible experience on June 8, 1967. Many continue to suffer from that experience to this day. Like many other victims of "friendly fire," they have become obsessed with the cause of thr pain as they percve it – all the more so since they have attracted willing but unholy allies who, if anything, have fanned thr flame, in order to promote thr own agenda. With all the respect that is certainly due the survivors of the Liberty incident, thr objectivity is lost or tainted.


As an example, one Liberty crew member James Ennes, author of a book entitled "Assault on the Liberty: The True Story of the Israeli Attack on an American Intelligence Ship," on Sept. 28, 1989, wrote a letter to the editor of New Hampshire's daily newspaper the Keene Sentinel:


It is Israel that daily maims and murders an unarmed population in Palestine. It is Israel that daily bulldozes homes of suspected adolescent rock-throwers.


This absolute incredibility was republished in the Liberty Newsletter.

[Reality]

Truthseeker (if that's what you are) you have obviously not read the book "Assault on the Liberty". If you have, then read it again. One simply cannot argue with the facts of the incident. Israel deliberately attacked one of our Navy ships, and our govt. covered it up. End of story.
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[ronhat]

Before September 11, I did not know much (and care much) about the jew/Palestinian conflict. But when I saw those bodies from those burning buildings hit the ground, I thought this conflict was probably the reason.
So on sept. 12, 2001 I looked at Palestine in my 1980 Encyclopedia Brittanica where I read the following statement - "In 1946, the UN allotted 55% of Palestine to the jews when they only owned less than 8%."
I was astonished so I started researching and I have discovered how absolutely terrible the jewish people really are. And what really is so awful is how they control the American government and it's purse strings.
Jerry falwell on a Phil donahue interview said he hoped the jews take all of Palestine so god will come down and do his thing! The jews have parasitised the christians (the words judeo/christian sound familiar). Michael Pollard, the Rosenburgs, Leon Trotsky, Lenin, The USS Liberty, the early bolshevic leaders, the holocaust lie, and on and on. Totally disgusting they are in my opinion.
If not for the US government's 50 year support of the killers of the Palestinian people, we would never have had a september 11, 2001.

[NYIndependence]

I've tried to find out as much information as I can regarding the Liberty attack. From what I see, the story is that the Liberty was attacked because the Israelis were afraid of intelligence that it had gathered getting to Washington (Intelligence that other navy ships in the vicinity were well aware of.) However, if anything, an attack on a US ship attacks more investigating into what exactly the Liberty was monitoring that day. Also, if the Jewish lobby in the United States is as strong as it is inflated to be in this instance, then why was an attack necessary? Couldn't the Jewish lobby have used its political muscle to prevent the intelligence from ever meeting the public's eye anyway? Finally, there has never been much love lost between the American and Arab citizens. Evidence of excessive Israeli force in the 6-Day Way would have meant little more than a blurb in the American media, while an attack on a US ship does more damage to Israel's image in the US than anything they could have ever done to Arabs. I will admit that there are suspicious elements to the story such as the large American flag that flew that day, and the firing upon lifeboats, but the motive does not add up, in my opinion. This does not change the fact that the men of the USS Liberty are very brave, heroic individuals who deserve more respect than they can currently find.
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[NYIndependence]

In the third sentence, after "US ship", that should be "attracts", not "attacks".
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[enrique]

OK if you say that the Holocost was a lie then you are a total idiot

And it still sounds stupid the Attack of uss liberty. Why would the jews attack a us ship on purpose? Can you even give a good reason? Is there any real proof? NO!
I'm sick of all these liberals nagging about israel having all this arab land (and later giving almost all of it back) - that they won in a war in which the surrounding arab nations attempted to eradicate them. It's not the jews that want to take the land it's the arab nations that want to take israel for themselves

[Taureen]

Man, I would love to find where you find your news sources ronhat. Your learned all that propaganda just since 2001? That truly is amazing.
I remember bng taught in Elementary School that when the UN split up Palestine, nothing was really left for the nationals. And I remember bng asked if that was fair and the class answered "no." But I have since learned to read whats going on in the world from various sources, and as most logical people who can tell the difference between propoganda and news would say, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Ultimately, what is one to do when two enormous interests are at such terrible odds. When the Christians raided the holy land it was our divine right, we said. We had to rid the holy land of infidels and take back the land of our Lord, we (as decendents of Europe) said.
The Christians gave up after a few centuries of trying. Teh JEws are now taking thr turn at claiming teh hooly land. Too bad now there's that other monothstic bunch of trouble makers, the Muslims. Oy.
Now we just can't seem to find a time when we can all just say, hey, so you think your god is the right one, good for you. Leave me alone while I go warship mine, no hard feelings...
Now it's ab out politics and who's funding who and which one's the real terrorist state and "peace in the middle " and anti-Isreali sentiment in the media and hidden in people's rhetoric.
You sir, however, have now been taken hostage by misinformation. If the holicost never happened, then I guess Hitler never existed, or he was really just a nice guy, a little misunderstood. Those pesky world domination colaborators...they crack me up. Ha!
As far as the USS Liberty is concerned, honestly it's the first I've ever heard of it. But I also must agree that Isreal bombing our ship would be like the UK bombing us nowadays. Highly unlikely to happen without intent.
And let me ask you this, since you did so much research on it: If the Jews are running the show here, as you so firmly and falsly believe, what are the other hundreds of millions of AMericans that are white protistants in middle America contributing? It's just presidents right? No money, just presidents. Becasue presidents are cheap to get elected. If the jews run the country, why is there next to no mention of Lberman as a presidential nominee? Why didn't he win in 2000? Why is the prospect of a Jewsish president so scary to the US? Because we fear the idea that has been subliminally emplanted in all our brains, that Isreal and Jews are running everything.
Well, since you first woke up to the world and discovered your deep sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians recently, let me feel you in on a few balnks.
1-we first pissed off Osama bin Laden when America had to "restore stability" in Iraq and Kuwait by stationing ourselves in Saudi Arabia. His fanatical sect were outraged by us, the devils, invading the land of Muhammed.
2-we funded the Afghani's with all the weapons they shoot at us today back when wee wanted them to fight the Soviets for us near the end of the Cold War. The other half of the weapons they use are Soviet made.
3-We basically stick our nose in teh business of the world, acting as the self appointed world police, shunning treaties adn calling other "evil" and "rogue state" when we are the biggest rogue state of all.
A hint on why we're hated: WE ALREADY RULE THE WORLD. WE TOOK EVERYONE ELSE'S IDEA FROM HISTORY AND MADE IT HAPPEN. AMERICA IS EVERYWHERE, "THE SUN NEVER SET ON THE AMERICAN MILITARY" YOU MIGHT SAY.
Columbia, The Middle Eaest, South Asia, the Phillapines, Japan, Africa, we got troops everywhere. Sure, our support of yet another front where fundamentalist Muslims believe they are lsoing ground--Palestine--is a contributing factor. But America is a lot more of an overwheling force than just one little jerk water berg the size of New Jersey. Isreal may be a symbolic front, and an importatn one at that, but it is be no mean the only reason for 9/11.
Osama had announced in his broadcasts that he wanted to take down our economic engine (wall street, i.e. the World Trade Center) in order to take out what? Our military. Well, he didn't really succeed. Who knew we could borrow so damn much in wartime spending? But that was his goal, and he announced it to the world. Why else would Al Queda also hit our vessels, Embassys and troops abroad (while those at home could care less) for YEARS if they were after Isreal? Our contstnat flip-flopping on Isreal doesn't help, but we are a force to be reckoned with all our own.
In short (ironic huh?), your disgust is disgusting. Jews don't have horns or drink blood or are not evil people. They are human just like you or me and to hear you talk so ignorantly on such an important topic cries out for help. I pity you on the day yu share your vws on the world orally in public. You will be sure to be met with a blunt object to the head. Don't worry, this is for your own good.

[midgetbones]

that if the Palestinians were in the Jew's position and the roles were reversed, we wouldn't have a problem because there would be absolutely no Jews left in that area.
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[jimmy]

Ronhat go back to europe you left-wing anti-semite. There's no place for that garbage in America. besides, the palestinians took money from the Soviets for years during the cold war so, by your logic, they are culpable for the millions of people who perished in communist regimes in russia, china, north korea, cuba, vietnam, ern europe, etc. Or do you think that dictators like kim jong il, fidel castro, 'uncle' joe stalin and chairman mao are really just a bunch of nice guys?
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[sara]

I think anyone that supports the isralie or american goverment is absolutle disgustingly evil thoose 2 goverments are ressponsible for so many deaths evry day and when u see the isralie soldiers shoot down a 5 year old child for bng palistinian and u still agree with what they are doing well i just have no words to describe that. People from different religions have been living side by side in the middle for years until the outside world stuck its nose in this isnt about bng anti semetic or racist its about the fact that america sponsers the biggest terrorist in the world which is israel and anyone who says people say that because thr anti semetic is absolutle ridicolous because i know of many jews who are absolutly disgusted with the state of israel what u gonna call them anti semetic too????????????????????????

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ARAB PROPOGANDA BUT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IRAELI OR JEWISH PROPOGANDA ITS DISSMISSED AS RIDICULOUS.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:">

[midgetbones]

Well it is good to see middle school kids getting on this message board now.

"I think anyone that supports the isralie or american goverment is absolutle disgustingly evil thoose 2 goverments are ressponsible for so many deaths evry day and when u see the isralie soldiers shoot down a 5 year old child for bng palistinian and u still agree with what they are doing well i just have no words to describe that. People from different religions have been living side by side in the middle for years until the outside world stuck its nose in this isnt about bng anti semetic or racist its about the fact that america sponsers the biggest terrorist in the world which is israel and anyone who says people say that because thr anti semetic is absolutle ridicolous because i know of many jews who are absolutly disgusted with the state of israel what u gonna call them anti semetic too????????????????????????

PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ARAB PROPOGANDA BUT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IRAELI OR JEWISH PROPOGANDA ITS DISSMISSED AS RIDICULOUS.

WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

You need to wake up kid. Go and get information on this subject before making such an off the wall, uneducated statement.
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:People from different religions have been living side by side in the middle for years until the outside world stuck its nose in
Wha??? Middle history is almost exclusively made up of outside domination, with today's situation bng one of the few exceptions. Today's autonomy for the people of the Middle is a radical change from the history that exists only in your imagination.
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[sara]

idiot i think i know wat im talking about.Im not talking politically. Im from the middle and i think i should know that my parents used to be friends with people of different religions some of thr best friend are jewish my point is that people make it out to be that muslims hate jews and therefor there is so much violance in palestine this isnt true its simple because they are bng oppressed by people who call themselfs jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NYIndependence]

I am Irish-American, but I admit that unfortunately there is a lot more I could learn about my ancestry and the history of my family's home. I know much more about Arab society than I do about Irish society.

Your parents' ethnic origins are no reflection on whether or not you are well-versed on the history of a region. I spoke with a girl in my Arabic class who lived in Egypt until she was five, and I was amazed by how little she knows about the politics of the Middle . She didn't even know who Nasser was.

You really should take the time to learn more about the Middle other than word of mouth.
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[sara]

don't tell me what to do fool! i know more than ull ever find out reading thoose stupid books written by sum prat whoose made half the things in it up. u dont even know me and for sum reason are assuming i know nothing about the middle i dont know everything but i pretty much know all the the important things the fact that i dont use intalecual language and facts about god knows wat doesnt mean i dont know anything. i made one little comment all of a sudden evry thing sum one says has to be politicaly correct or it means thr stupid.

[midgetbones]

making assumptions from your posts. You sound pretty stupid and ignorant so it looks to me that his assumptions are logical ones.
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[mcj]

I only pray that those who have the power in this country to control and manage our borders know exactly what thr doing. After reading her postings I would say that those with that power to control and manage our borders are failing miserably.
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[NYIndependence]

Quote:After reading her postings I would say that those with that power to control and manage our borders are failing miserably.
Criticizing ignorance with ignorance. Lovely.
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[mcj]

Obviously tact is not in NYindependence vocabulary.
Perhaps this person can explain away our border problems but they do indeed exist as does the fragmentation of our society.
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[goochie]

we got some whoppers of problems with this