All Hail Mondello

[did you really say this:]

You mistake your opinion for truth.

I stand by my post and not by your feeble attempt to deflect criticism on non-profits and churches with a poorly constructed "argument".

You wrote:
"SO, churches and non-profits EARN their non-profit status by accepting the governments shirked responsibility to care for those less fortunate,"

Wonderful. By your argument everyone who volunteers for community service (school, sports groups, boy/girl scouts, districts, fire dept, etc.) should not have to pay taxes since they perform a service that the government, in whatever form, "shirks". No one EARNS non-profit status, they QUALIFY for it based upon legal criteria. Your inherent belief in the non-profit/religious sector is both refreshing (your lousy argument notwithstanding) and dangerous.

Please let me expound:
Not all non-profits are bad nor are all churches. And the vast majority of them follow the letter of the law, if not the intent. You don't think 60 different congregations in the Roosevelt area is too many? And that doesn't count the Catholic Church, Temples, or Mosques. Without earning anything, it's too easy to qualify for non-profit status.

There are more than one million non-profits in the states, many of which serve other non-profits! The dodge is simple, pay hefty salaries to the "owners". For example, I am aware of one very well known healthcare non-profit serving the minority community in New York City that has 70 employees and a $12 million operating budget. The top three executives make over $1 million in salary and benefits. Add in the next ten executives and you have almost $3 million in salary and benefits for thirteen people. That's almost 25% of the operating budget. On what is left, run the operation, pay the other 57 employees and serve the community. It should be a crime.

Little "churches" work the same way. The pastor makes out and pays no taxes. Just ask Tom Gulotta how he rewarded all these "pastors" to get votes.

Obviously this is an issue that riles me. Churches and non-profits should pay taxes like anyone else.

You want to encourage giving and service? Let these non-profits and churches deduct what they give to their constituency from their income before paying taxes. That will go a long way towards separating the true believers from the tax dodgers.

[joey]

so...our republican "leaders" put mondello back in tonight. what a joke. all talk and no action.

guess what joe...they all talk about you behind your back. they say a change is needed. they say you are the reason why more people are registering democrat. they blame you for losing the county. they apologize to their committeemen for your rude behavior at fundraiers.

we are all told a change is coming, but they are all wimps and don't throw joe out.

when will the day come where someone finally has the guts to speak on behalf of the committeemen who vote these leaders in every two years?
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[EXGOP GUY]

are all a bunch of suck-up, hack bastards. They are all afraid of losing their jobs because most of them couldn't make a living on their own if they had to. . . They are spineless, lack moral conviction, intestinal fortitude and in all, are sheep.

They do complain like a bunch of cry-babies, but they get EXACTLY what they deserve because they have no balls to do what they know needs to be done.

What they do not understand is that Mondello (or any leader for that matter) could NEVER survive if all the bullshit artists that talked behind his back would stop producing MONEY, stop producing signatures, etc. you would see how fast things would change. But it's always, "Yes, Mr. Chairman" "No. Mr. Chairman", "Can I kiss your ass Mr. Chairman"...

THEY MAKE ME SICK!!!

[Bill OReilly]

I was there. I enjoyed seeing the Chiarman's staff distribute scripts and then colect them while keeping a tally sheet to verify all the precious scripts had been accounted for. I guess somebody doesn't trust those so honored to make various motions from the floor not to give those scripts to Newsday.

The sight of the Minority Leader of the County Legislature returning his script like a kid handing in his homework saddened me.

I did not see the all those GOP reformers with grand ideas putting same into action. Why is that?
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[gopisback]

The funny thing is that a decade from now, the same people will be calling for the same reforms, and nothing will happen. Keep wasting your breath! The Reps are dying a slow death in Nassau, and Long Island in general.
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[Margiotta Man]

Bill O':

Your description reminds me of the steps taken to keep the Wannsee Conference a secret. Are you certain one script didn't get out the door? I'd love to see it.

Can you enlighten us with what you remember?

[jj]

Reformer Pat Hey, pat you can't move on. Seek help!
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[Reformer]

JJ

Nassau GOP, in 1988 ...King of the Hill.
Nassau GOP, in 2003 ...Only King of 1/2 of the Hill.
Nassau GOP, in 2004 ...Only King of 1/3 of the Hill.

You tell me who needs to move on!

I won't join you, but maybe you should think about joining us!

PH & Reformers
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[Someone Else]

One of my coworkers has a dog named JJ. A little white poodle who likes to sit in her lap. Now, Joe Mondello is no poodle, but he does like to sit in JC's lap, or is it visa-versa?

Anyway, I didn't know JJ could type. But since you can, albeit very slowly I bet, maybe you could spell it out for us all. What makes someone like you JJ, stay on board a sinking ship? Is it masochism? Is it stupdity? Promises no one intends to keep up the ying yang? What?

[EXGOPER]

VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE!!

VOTE AGAINST THE ENTIRE GOP TICKET!!!

VOTE AGAINST CLAVIN, MURRAY, AMBROSINO -- THEY ARE ALL HACKS!!!

[Bill OReilly]

Yes, the ALLCAPs and multiple exclamation points did it for me!!!

When the Democrat Party offers viable candidates, I'll consider same in the best possible light against the least able GOP candidates.

Voting against an entire ticket is just as bad as voting for an entire ticket and plays ultimately into the hands of those who promote organization politics.

Who have the Democrats nominated to lose to Councilperson Ambrosino anyway? I consider myself somewhat informed on such things, but can only name one Town Dem candidate, Councilperson Goosby. From what I understand, Democrat Party Powers tried to derail her candidacy. So, I hope you'll excuse me if I choose not to take TOH Dems seriously.


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[Rush]

Wannsee, eh? And Newsday described some candidate as having a book about Hitler on his desk.

I hope this doesn't indicate where the Nassau GOP is getting it's example on how to run a party.

[HEY OREILLY]

YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!Voting against the GOPers is EXACTLY the way to give them a kick in the ass.

Trust me, I have been at enough of rallies and parties and victory speeches to know that the ONLY thing Mondello understands is LOSING AN ELECTION. IF you vote for his people, irrespective of the reason, he WON and he was rewarded and will continue to play his "replacement politics" in Nassau County.

CLAVIN wasn't voted in - GONE
Murray wasn't voted in - GONE
Ambrosino wasn't voted in - GONE...

SHOVE IT UP THEIR ARSES. You obviously do not know these people. It is all a game to them. They do not care about people or about doing the right thing. They care about WINNING and the SPOILS that go with it.

[voter]

Actually Clavin waas elected in 2001....check your facts.


The town clerk is yet to be elected.

Research before you post.
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[HEY OREILLY]

MY BAD...Clavin was elected in '91, but if memory serves me correctly, ansd with all the drugs I take, it rarely does, I believe he was also an "appointee" before he was elected.

BONILLA, appointed - GONE.

[El Hombre Bonilla]

Sorry, this hisory making 1st Hispanic in public office in the Town of Hempstead, descendent of original certified immigrants, and claimant to the throne of shortest hispanic in Seaford not pushing a lawn mower or bouncing around on the grass clippings in the back of a big red Ford Dump Truck, can't speak a word of the native parental language.

When I went to esquela, I took SSL, not ESL.

En Espanol, los Fraudulitos a Loser!

[the maven]

these conventions are the same as the ones held in German beer halls in the 1930's. The only difference is so far the chairman has not come up with a good salute!

[Beer Halls and putzes]

The GOP is officially done. Stick a fork in it. Congratulations lardo! You have single-handedly brought down the most influential Republican county in the country.

I almost choked on my breakfast this morning when picking up Newsday. And this time the liberals who write this rag had nothing to do with it.

The Ricky LaRosa article was the culprit. This guy is an embarrassment. Slavery reparations, hiring halls for illegals, affirmative action??? He's running on the GOP ticket, not the Dems, right??? Someone please help explain this to me.

And I find it funny that at the age of 5 he came to this country and didnt become a citizen until he turned 21!!! Illegal perhaps??? And the icing on the cake was his public praising of Gulotta. Where did you find this guy??? He got his ass kicked last election, but in the traditional style of Mondello we should continue to run him.

I will be contacting the BOE after I finish writing this message and will be renouncing my Republican party affiliation. I cants take no more!!! Good Job Joey...you just lost another party faithful.

[Amen]

Alfonso Soriano's average homeruns travel when hit left-handed, leading off, against right-handers with E.R.A.'s of greater than 3.5, during night games in American League West Parks, wearing the Yankee grey uniforms.

At least that's what they said on WFAN today...

[EX GOPER]

YOU DA MAN!! RIGHT ON DA MONEY!!

[St Peter]

Avoiding the separation of church and state issue as well as the issue of whose faith-based initiative gets public money and whose do not...

Many in the minority community are alarmed at the number of "churches" cropping up in their neighborhoods.

Anyone who can get 25 people to meet regularly can declare a church and, BANG!, another piece of property falls off already thin property tax rolls.

Just as many small non-profits service "organizations" are nothing more than anti-business tax dodges for the "owners", the "no-tax" status of churches is perfect for these so-called "clergy". And the minority community suffers as do legitimate clergy and their followers.

When churches start paying taxes, then they deserve to compete for public money.

[St Peter]

...hold old DT/ is! Tuition Tax Credit? Are you out of your mind? That thing is older and deader than Dubya's DUI conviction!

If we have to give public school tax credits to people who choose to send their kids to private schools, on the stupid and idiotic "logic" that they shouldn't have to pay for public school tuition since their kid isn't IN public school - that means that we have to give every single taxpayer who doesn't have a child in school a public school tax credit, on the stupid and idiotic "logic" that they TOO don't have any kids in public school!

The taxes we pay that go to schools (lowest of any industrialized nation) are a public good - it doesn't matter if you have kids, don't have kids, kids are grown, kids are too young for school...EVERYONE in the country BENEFITS from taxes paying for schools. EVERYONE from employers to residents to homeowners safe in their homes at night.

EVERYONE should pay for public schools, no matter what their parental status.

DT, if you're going to be going to school so much here, you really should register and pay some tuition!

[Bill OReilly]

I'm no fan of collective education -- private or public -- and have rejected offers of "help" (e.g., textbooks) from the government in terms of educating my own kids. So, I do admittedly have strong non-mainstream views concerning education.

In 1978, I supported the Packwood tuition tax credit bill that would have provided a $500 federal tax credit for tuition-paying parents of primary or secondary school students. In one of his New York Times Sunday advertorials back then, teachers' union President Shanker argued against the legislation by analogy. Suppose he wrote a religious group wanted its own pools, would such folks expect government subsidies for private pools? The answer is, of course, yes we would. If the government compelled our children to swim in pools, we would expect the government to allow us the financial means to do so.

Suppose some liberals decided that public transportion best served the "public good" and decreed massive increases in gas taxes and tolls to increase funding for mass transit. If such made private transportation economically infeasible for many folks, voters would draw blood at the polls.

Well, excessive property taxation has accomplished the same thing. Parents who would love to educate their children privately cannot justify paying tuition on top of the vast amounts they spend on taxes to local public schools.

Private school families don't seek a government handout. They merely want the government to take a little less of their property (taxation) so they can pay for a service (education) that the government mandates (attendance laws).
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[to SAINT Peter]

So you aren't a curmudgeonly old crust saint in the r tradition after all!

You obviously "get" it when you say:
"No one EARNS non-profit status, they QUALIFY for it based upon legal criteria. Your inherent belief in the non-profit/religious sector is both refreshing (your lousy argument notwithstanding) and dangerous."

So change the "legal criteria" to weed out the phony-baloneys with one simple stroke of the pen - VOLUME.
I agree that there are "tax-dodgers" out there - so call the IRS and you WILL get a reward with which you can offset your tax liability or, I don't know, make a donation to your favorite SAFE charity?

But don't paint the VOLUMINOUS records of service from the Catholic (can you say FIRST public hospitals in the USA?) and Jewish (immigrant and family services to urban areas, etc.) and other established faiths where the caring came first and the accountants second (or sometimes never!).

And it ain't opinion, pal, when I do this every single day of my life - it's called REALITY. Nothing dangerous (to you) until we run out of food, and very rarely refreshing (when someone turns their life around - and lives it).

[mallard Filmore]

church leaders who embrace conservative policies are "dangerous," but church leaders who engage in liberal and radical civil disobedience are "courageous." You candy ass liberals suck.

[Wantagh Dem]

"You're such an annoying knee jerk liberal."

Yeah, that's right. My considered and carefully made out case against the stupidity of tuition tax credits was "knee-jerk." Right. And your automatic embrace of the transfer of public taxpayer funds (the funds YOU think are really "OUR MONEY" and should be given BACK to us) to religious institutions is NOT an automatic response at all, right?

"There is a severe crisis with inadequate public schools."

Wrong. The severe crisis is with INADEQUATELY FUNDED public schools. Are you just waking up to this problem? We progressives INVENTED the ida of public schools, and we have been fighting for public schools for a hundred years! Conservatives have blocked us at every single effort.

Education is education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes. We need gigantic, monumental changes. Schools should be palaces. The competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be making six figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to its citizens, just like national defense.

"Many urban students find refuge in private and parochial schools. These schools are successful and save lives, particularly in the inner city."

They sure helped me. NOTHING in my post addressed public or private school funding. The clear and rather obvious point I made is that families that choose to send their children to private schools should not be allowed to opt out of their responsibility to fund public schools. School taxes aren't some form of tuition that only families with kids pay, and then have to pay twice if they choose to send their kids to private school. School taxes are paid by everyone because everyone is affected by public schools. EVERYONE should pay for public schools.

Under your "logic" anyone with no kids at all should be allowed to not pay their school taxes!

You are an idiot!
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[St Peter]

I wrote, "Not all non-profits are bad nor are all churches."

You obviously missed that statement when penning your diatribe. Try not to be so sensitive about your work.

I stand by my posts, arguments and proposed solution.

[WantaghDem]

....seem to be standing alone in that.
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[Bill OReilly]

The severe crisis is with INADEQUATELY FUNDED public schools.

Huh? A brief glance at per capita spending on Long Island shows otherwise. Compare average spending per pupil in government schools on Long Island with their Catholic counterparts. Hempstead, for instance, spends $15,477 per pupil. Nearby, Kellenberg costs each student's family $5,525.

The usual litany of excuses (e.g., private school "cherry-pick" better students) does account for some of the gap between government and private education costs, but only a fool would ignore the inefficiency and waste that government schools engender.

We progressives INVENTED the ida [sic] of public schools, and we have been fighting for public schools for a hundred years!

Well, some give the Puritans "credit" for socialized education. Mann, Dewey, Greeley et al popularized it.

Schools should be palaces.

Yeah, I heard Rob Lowe utter this trite line on The West Wing, too.

Is it only about money? Here's what the AP recently wrote:

September 16, 2003, 2:32 PM EDT

WASHINGTON -- Given its investment in education, the United States isn't getting the return it expects when compared with the performance of other nations, a report shows.

Among more than 25 industrialized nations, no country spends more public and private money to educate each student than the United States, according to an annual review by the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

But American 15-year-olds scored in the middle of the pack in math, reading and science in 2000, and the nation's high-school graduation rate was below the world average in 2001.

Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge to its citizens, just like national defense.

"Free." Typical mindset. Nothing is "free." Somebody must pay somehow someway. Inefficient socialist schemes for delivering services are the least "free" of all.

School taxes are paid by everyone because everyone is affected by public schools. EVERYONE should pay for public schools.

Well, just about everything affects us all in one way or another (e.g., transportation, food and healthcare). I guess "EVERYONE" should pay for some sort of socialized method of delivering food, healthcare or energy. Here's how it might work.

The government will issue each citizen a ration card for ten "free" gallons of gas (and no more) a month for their personal use. Doesn't matter if you don't even own a car. It will cost the taxpayers about $4.00 a gallon for the gas. If you want more or better quality gas, you can opt out of this program, you won't get your ten "free" gallons of gas. You'll still have to pay taxes for that, but you can purchase private gasoline, as much as you want, for $2 a gallon. Like education, this program will be compulsory. If you opt out and own a car, the government will require you to purchase ten gallons of gas privately even if you only need two or three. Oh, almost forgot: illegal aliens get gas, too.

Now some socialists will applaud such a program. If they think most Americans will, they are simply mistaken.

You are an idiot!

The usual. Happens more frequently than not when somebody disagree with this individual. Not much in the way of tolerance here. Pretty sad.

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[WantaghDem]

You've proven your general lack of intelligence, but what's really sad is that you sit at a computer day in and day out, connected to the Internet, a source of a great deal of information, and yet you seem unable or unwilling to access any of it.

First of all, do you understand how much of a fool you look like when you say something as ignorant as this:

"Compare average spending per pupil in government schools on Long Island with their Catholic counterparts. Hempstead, for instance, spends $15,477 per pupil. Nearby, Kellenberg costs each student's family $5,525."

Yes, "Chaminade Lite" does in fact cost that much to families in tuition. That isn't anywhere NEAR what Kellenberg SPENDS on each student - it's just what they CHARGE the student! They spend MUCH more from OTHER SOURCES!!! So you obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about!

Do you understand that every - EVERY SINGLE - thing that is wrong with education today does in fact come down to money? Infrastructure - our schools are crumbling all over the United States. Equipment - Bill Gates is doing what he can but the irresponsible Republicans who mouth and mouth and mouth "No Child Left Blah Blah Blah" cut education funding and cut education funding and cut education funding. Teacher recruiting - it's not so much that we have to dangle dollars to attract the best (although you'll hear rabid conservatives shouting this from the rooftops about doctors when they talk about National Health Care) - it's that people can no longer AFFORD to become teachers! Education of teachers - schools of education are struggling as bad or worse than most other disciplines. Funding for social services, for parental job training, for child care, for health care, for public safety, for transportation - all of these things negatively impact education, and they all come down to money.

The West Wing quote was the whole paragraph, not just the line...and it is as powerful and as true today as when the best show on television aired it a few years ago!

I have a student now who has a demonstrable but undiagnosed learning disability that is hindering their ability to learn and to move forward in college and in life....but they are too poor to afford the psychologist to diagnose and treat, make too much to qualify for assistance, and the college does not AT ALL offer ANY of those services! Which also means that their public schools from k-12 ALSO didn't offer those services - because they didn't have the money to offer them, and to hire and train quality teachers who can recognize them, and her town didn't have enough money to offer her them, and on and on and on!

Read The Tax Cut Con, Paul Krugman, NYT Sept 14. You've been sold a bill of goods, and your great great great great great grandchild won't be finished paying it off....but you'll have to start, with less safety, less security, fewer services, and on and on and on!


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[gopisback]

One thing you all are missing out on...money that is spent on education is not always spent wisely...this is no more evident on Long Island...much of the money is used to increase administration and their salaries/benefits...many of these administration positions are not needed...this money should rather be going to fund the physical structure of schools, materials, etc.

Unless the school board is keeping an open eye out for reckless spending, it usually does not surface...I would be more willing to vote in favor of school budgets knowing that all other options on cutting back and wasteful spending were eliminated...

In addition, does ALL lottery revenue the state makes go towards school aid??? One person I checked with said no, it does not. If not, this money should be off limits to anything but education for our state's children...
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[Bill OReilly]

You've proven your general lack of intelligence, but what's really sad is that you sit at a computer day in and day out, connected to the Internet, a source of a great deal of information, and yet you seem unable or unwilling to access any of it.

Once again, ad hominem insults substituting for argument. Any disinterested by-stander will not that I spend far less time posting here than the sad person who made the above remarks.

First of all, do you understand how much of a fool you look like when you say something as ignorant as this: "Compare average spending per pupil in government schools on Long Island with their Catholic counterparts. Hempstead, for instance, spends $15,477 per pupil. Nearby, Kellenberg costs each student's family $5,525."

Yes, "Chaminade Lite" does in fact cost that much to families in tuition. That isn't anywhere NEAR what Kellenberg SPENDS on each student - it's just what they CHARGE the student! They spend MUCH more from OTHER SOURCES!!! So you obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about!

Chaminade receives roughly 90% of its operating budget from tuition. Kellenberg or ?Chaminade Lite? as this person insultingly refers to it gets even more from tuition as it lacks the Chaminade?s substantial endowment. "MUCH more from OTHER SOURCES!!! [Y]ou obviously have NO IDEA what you are talking about." The above writer should check his or her facts. He or she seems to be the one lacking in ideas or facts for that matter.

Now if we add the "OTHER SOURCES" and even adjust the indirect subsidy for textbooks (those mentioning G-d as a literary figure) and transportation, Catholic schools still do much more for much less than government schools. Here?s why (from a Catholic school administrator):

The major reason it costs so much in the public school system is the amount of money that goes into "non-educational" stuff, administrivia, etc. Catholic schools are notoriously sleek in their administration, while the public school system has an enormous bureaucracy. Many Catholic school administrators carry reduced class loads. Most ?guidance? counselors teach a full class schedule.

Public schools pay much more for teachers and get much less out of them. Many Catholic schools do pay lower salaries to teachers, enabling them to lower costs, but more importantly, many Catholic schools have better working relationships with teachers and their unions. Teachers in public school have a strict limit to what they are paid for. Give them any more to do, and they require compensation or the school must hire someone else to do the job. Catholic schools rely on teachers to "pitch in." So, when a Catholic school teacher is out for the day, other teachers usually cover the class. That can't happen in public schools without major compensation, so it's easier to have a staff of subs, a cost Catholic schools don't have. Catholic school teachers also cover study halls, cafeterias, detentions, etc, that are done by paid auxiliary staffs in public schools.

Public schools also get apoplectic over class sizes. While studies show that real educational improvement doesn't occur until classes are under 12, public school teachers keep calling for smaller classes. It becomes a bargaining tool for unions, and a selling point for budgets.


Do you understand that every - EVERY SINGLE - thing that is wrong with education today does in fact come down to money? Infrastructure - our schools are crumbling all over the United States.

I?ve seen quite a few very well-appointed Long Island government schools. Hempstead spends a little less than $15,477 per student. Money alone seems not be the answer.

The West Wing quote was the whole paragraph, not just the line . . . and it is as powerful and as true today as when the best show on television aired it a few years ago!

How smart of me to have spotted the above writer?s plagiarism. I suppose quoting a fading fictional political TV show without proper attribution says a great deal.

I have a student now who has a demonstrable but undiagnosed learning disability that is hindering their [sic] ability to learn and to move forward in college and in life . . . but they are too poor to afford the psychologist to diagnose and treat. [T]heir public schools from k-12 ALSO didn't offer those services - because they didn't have the money to offer them, and to hire and train quality teachers who can recognize them . . . .

Yes, all that money and the government still can?t do its job properly. How surprising.

Read The Tax Cut Con, Paul Krugman, NYT Sept 14. You've been sold a bill of goods, and your great great great great great grandchild won't be finished paying it off . . . but you'll have to start, with less safety, less security, fewer services, and on and on and on!

Typical non sequitur. Liberals frequently refers to The New York Times op-ed pieces as though they possess infinite wisdom. Is Messr. Krugman one of the typical run-of-the-mill house leftists or one of their new affirmative action hires with veracity issues?

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[Times Beat]

Paul Krugman, Harvard educated, is a former economist with the Heritage Foundation, and worked for the Council of Economic Advisors in the Reagan Administration.

He witnessed the "Laufer Curve" implode first hand and has changed sides in the debate of deficit spending in order to protect his professional reputation.

[Krugman Fan]

you didn't get paul's resume right - in almost every way. the first thing that should be said is that regardless of politics and/or op ed columns, krugman is one of the leading economists of our time. period.

second, an economist of krugman's stature, not to mention his politics, wouldn't be caught dead working for the heritage foundation. that is a laugh.

third, he is not harvard educated. undergrad yale, phd MIT. he taught at stanford as well as yale and MIT. now at princeton.

fourth, he is the co-founder of the "new trade theory" - one of the major theories of the last few decades.

fifth, he only spent a year on the CEA staff.

sixth, he won the John Bates Clark medal in 1991, which is economics' most coveted award; exceeding, perhaps, even the Nobel Memorial Prize in prestige.

this man is a significant international economist. the poster above who dismissed him obviously does not understand economics, obviously did not read "the tax cut con" (which was NOT a op-ed but a major article in the sunday times magazine) and obviously does not understand the economics of education.

[Krugman Fan]

" I suppose quoting a fading fictional political TV show"

I came in late, I didn't read every single post on this thread, and I really only posted to correct the glaring errors about my man paul k (how bout that poster above not even knowing who krugman is - but shouting nonsense about economics anyway????) but two things struck me about this post.

first, while i don't put stock in emmys=quality, it is unquestionable that emmys=popularity.

the west wing just won best dramatic television series. the show could hardly be less "fading" - so right there, you have to ask - "what is this poster's agenda, since they can't even characterize an insignificant point without mendacity?"

second, it seems as if the west wing point is actually the closest thing to the truth in that entire post.

[Bill OReilly]

Wow a new name for some regular poster?

I post a reply containing 17 paragraphs. This "new" person manages to reply to just one of those paragraphs -- the one beginning "Typical non sequitur."

We can discuss the lefty academic's credentials or the ratings decline of the propaganda show, The West Wing, another day. I suppose this concludes the discussion over the relative efficiency of private versus government education.
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[Im watchin ya Bill]

is that when we go to King Kullen, for example, the price we pay (the purchase price ) for each item, is the actual equal cost (the store's cost) for each item?

No? Well that what you said when you compared what a school district spends, against what a private school charges in tuition.

If you check ith NY State Education Department, they can explain to you that spending per pupil does not ever never ever equal tuition per student.

I fit did, the world would have never heard of KingKullen and/or supermarkets.

Now, I agree that schools should "profit" by spending less than what they take in.

Just like I agree that the "free-market" is the solution to the world's financial problems.

But, since our society is so-darn "education-happy" and continues that socailist myth that everyone who completes his or her education through college is less likely to ever need economic assistance, I guess we're just stuck with it.

OH, just check how much your home appreciated last year in price here on LI. Now tell me that your quality schools had nothing to do with that.

Man, you really ARE Bill OReilly aren't you?

[billoreilly]

and that hardly anything new.

Nearly all private schools are "non-profits." So, I'm not at all sure that comparing private schools to for-profit concerns such as King Kullen is fair or sensible. In earlier posts, I agreed that tuition reflects only a portion (@90%) of a private school's expenditures. I even allowed that per capita government school spending misleads a bit because of transportation, textbook and other private school expenses paid for by government school budgets.

Even with raising the water (private school costs) and lowering the bridge (government school expenses), a stunning gaps still exists between the two. I also explained the factors that create this gap (inefficient use of labor in government schools).

Regarding property values, a real "chicken or the egg" and then some question does exist here. Do property values reflect "good" government schools or do high property values and revenue [note 1] improve local government schools? Do high property values produce demographics that improve the government schools?

In any event, I chose to compare a lesser well-off government school district (Hempstead) with a nearby private school (Kellenberg).

1Here's a shocker: per capita Garden City spending is $13,478 or nearly $2,000 less than Hempstead!

[ok guys]

who "threw" their wallets?

was there some sort of GOP fundraiser for Bush in there somewhere - one in which people "threw" their wallets into the collection basket?


seriously, though, folks...it always amazes me when someone suggests that conservatives can "win" people of color over to "their side" on a single issue - especially one of money! people of color - especially middle and lower class blacks whose families have been in the US for generations - will never become conservatives in any significant numbers. period.