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skatha24
07-03-2003, 11:14 AM
This week, thanks to the Bush tax cuts, a single guy
making $50,000 per year will take home another $8. We never met a tax cut we didn't like. But we can't help but wonder where the $8 comes from. Did the Feds make the troops in Afghanistan or Iraq skip lunch? Did George W. Bush take a taxi over to the Pentagon?

"No," we are told. "They borrowed the money from the
Japanese."

"How will we pay it back?" we ask.

"Silly fools," comes the reply, "we will never pay it back.
Because the Japanese admire our dynamic economy so much they will continue to lend, more and more, forever.
Besides, if they don't lend us money, we won't buy thr
Toyotas or thr sushi."

*** The Australian dollar is at a 5-year high against the
U.S. brand. The NZ and Canadian dollars are also at multi-year highs. Is there any currency that isn't rising against the dollar? Even the Argentine Peso is going up; it's gained nearly 30% in the last 12 months.

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RealConservative
07-03-2003, 03:40 PM
My wife and I have a combined income of about $140,000 per year (hardly millionaires especially here on LI). We get paid twice a month and I am now recving an additional $87 per pay period (or $174 per month) and my wife recved an additional $72 per pay period (or $144 per month). That's $318 per month or over $3600 per year for us. We have a young daughter so that money comes in handy every month!

That's what real tax reform should be all about. Working Families (not the local Socialist Party) should all get this type of relief.

Families with incomes of less than $40,000 per year will pay NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

I applaud these tax cuts. I WORK HARD FOR MY MONEY EVERY DAY and I should get to keep more of it!

ThankYou,
RC

skatha24
07-07-2003, 06:56 AM
those who are truly wealthy understand that tax cut only benefit the rich but also hurt the rich more. You see when businesses are doing poorly the rich lose many business opportunites.

I am glad that you are saving a few extra tax dollars, but you could be making more it the economy was doing better.

You have a false sense of the LONG TERM power of the dollar and what your children will be paying after this market collapses.

Also, you remeber that you dollar is 30% weaker and what is driving this economy are home and car sales.A dollar crisis is only a matter of time".

"So far, the big decline in the dollar has come in
comparison to the euro. Asian currencies have fought the
trend, ther by aggressively trading thr own currencies
for dollars - in order to keep the dollar high and thr
own currencies low or, as the Chinese have done, fixing
thr own money to the U.S. standard.

All over the world, no one wants the relative trade
disadvantage of a strong currency. Even the Swiss have
announced thr intention to knock down the Swiss franc, if
necessary. "We're ready to step in and intervene if the
strong franc hurts our exports," said the president of the
Swiss National Bank recently.



Good luck for the future of America's children and maybe socialism won't look so bad when our nation turns into a banna republic. I guess south america dosen't pay taxes so we can model our economy like Argentina.... who wants to control expenditures? Right?

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Mylezylez
07-07-2003, 02:30 PM
Another point Republicans seem to gloss over regarding Bush's tax cuts, is the fact that ultimately you're paying the same amount of money.

The federal government is paying for these tax cuts by cutting WAY back on funding for the states, as well as social security. IF everyone hasn't noticed by now, almost all of the 50 states were already having massive economic crises, and the tax cuts made them worse.

So now, states have to raise taxes. Republicans in congress are creating quite a stir by blocking the passage of many of the tax hikes that the states would need to enact to stay afloat. But basically, Bush suddenly cut massive state funding, and didn't bother to figure out that it was just shifting the burden.

So basically, you ALL need to realize that except for the rich, who are getting millions and millions back, all of us are going to pay the same amount, if not MORE!
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ACELAW
07-09-2003, 12:04 AM
In the States
Drifting Toward Economic Aparthd
By Chuck Collins

Dollars and Sense Magazine, April 2002

In this time of war and recession, state budgets across the country are plunging into a sea of red ink. Who will be making the greatest sacrifice? Many state legislatures have already begun to answer that question, by reflexively cutting health, education, and other social programs aimed at those in need.

But the burden doesn????????t have to fall on low-income people. With the tax season approaching, the alternative is obvious: increase revenue by shifting the tax burden to those who can afford to pay.

In a dizzying turnabout from the flush years of the late 1990s, at l 43 states are anticipating that thr 2002 revenues will fall below what they budgeted, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. The National Governors Association is forecasting state deficits totaling $50 billion and rising. The California legislature is staring down a $12 billion (try 38 billion ,this lie was told by Davis to get re-elected)revenue shortfall, and New York, Washington, and Massachusetts contemplate deficits of over $2 billion each in the next two years.

While the immediate cause of the fiscal distress is the drop in revenue resulting from the recession, there are other contributing factors as well. Between 1993 and 1999, states cut taxes by $35 billion, in part because of sustained organizing by anti-tax and limited-government groups and politicians eager to cut taxes. Along with implementing a wide range of cuts in income and sales taxes, politicians offered generous tax incentives and subsidies to corporations.

But even before the recession ???????? and even before the notorious Bush tax cut ???????? state budgets were already in trouble, facing structural deficits (deficits not tied to economic conditions) that were masked by the late 1990s revenue boom. For example, states have been losing sales tax revenue for the last ten years. On average, states depend on sales taxes for about 40% of thr revenue. But in the past decade, internet sales have skyrocketed, and state economies have become more service-oriented. Since most sales taxes are levied on goods (buckets, cars, ovens) but not services (lawyers, stockbrokers, office cleaners), sales tax revenue has steadily declined.

States are also facing runaway Medicaid expenses, the fastest growing line item in most state budgets. In addition, many states took on new obligations to ensure that more children have health insurance. In 2001, Medicaid expenses rose by 14%, primarily as the result of escalating prescription drug prices and rising overall medical costs.

Another factor clouding the fiscal future of states is federal tax cuts. The Bush tax cut, passed in June 2001, will begin to slice into state revenue this year. For example, even though the federal estate tax won????????t be fully repealed until 2010, the majority of states will lose all of thr "pick-up" revenue by 2004. Instead of states having thr own estate tax, they "piggy back" on the federal tax and share in its proceeds. This will be a big blow to states like California, which will lose $1 billion a year in revenue, and New Hampshire, which will lose 4% of its annual revenue.

Even as the federal government pulls the revenue carpet out from under states, it is simultaneously shifting more expenses to the states. The federal government still provides a significant amount of revenue to states, in the form of block grants, but the overall pie is shrinking. As a result, state legislatures now have more responsibility for children????????s health, mass transit, highways, and welfare reform. New federal mandates for education testing and national security also loom on the horizon, and states will have to pick up the tab.

So what????????s a state to do? Unlike the federal government, every state (except Vermont) is required by its state constitution to have a balanced budget. And because so many of the problems in state budgets are structural, even an economic rebound won????????t pull the states out of the red in the short term.

Some states did plan for lean years and natural disasters by setting aside from budget surpluses money for rainy-day reserve funds during the 1990s. These rainy-day funds grew from $7 billion in 1995 to $23 billion in 2001. But a fiscal monsoon has hit and the rapidly declining fortunes of most states will quickly deplete whatever reserves there might be.

That leaves states with two ways to balance thr budgets: cut programs or raise taxes.
In almost every state in the land, major budget cuts are looming. Many states have immediately turned to cuts in spending for Medicaid services that are not federally mandated, such as dental benefits and health care for immigrant mothers. Others are slowing or cutting education spending and beginning to cut human services programs for the most disadvantaged, including poor children, new immigrants, and people with mental and physical disabilities.

Of course, as unemployment rises, this is exactly the moment when these safety nets are needed most. Yet many states would rather trim thr nets than reevaluate some of the tax cuts and giveaways of the last decade. In this pervasive anti-tax climate, discussions of raising revenue are usually the last consideration ???????? and many politicians facing reelection will be wary of raising taxes in an election year.

Only a handful of states are dealing with this new fiscal reality by delaying anticipated tax cuts. Last November in Florida, a GOP-controlled legislature postponed by 18 months a scheduled phase-out of the "intangible property tax," saving $128 million. (The tax applies to "intangibles" like stocks, as opposed to real estate or goods.) And in January 2002, the state of Virginia, facing a $892 million shortfall, voted to freeze a phase-out of the sales tax on food.

So far, only one state has had the temerity to actually raise taxes. North Carolina temporarily increased its sales tax by 0.5% ???????? and introduced a new 8.25% top tax rate in the state income tax on the top 2% of taxpayers. The Indiana legislature is considering a tax increase on cigarettes, and a few other states may adopt tax increases as well.

But these actions do not mean that the tax burden is bng distributed more fairly across class and income lines. For example, sales taxes ???????? on food, clothing, and other items ???????? fall disproportionately on poor and low-income people. Graduated income taxes, on the other hand, fall more heavily on the well-to-do.

This means that activists need to fight for tax equity, not just more taxes. And they are. But they have a tough battle on thr hands, because most politicians aren????????t willing to support a shift in the tax burden from the poor to the rich.

For example, in 2000, Massachusetts voters approved an initiative to cut the state????????s income tax rate, assured at the time that this would not lead to cuts in services. Governor Jane Swift defiantly declared that the "tax cut would stand," even as the referendum????????s original business backers urged her in January 2002 to freeze its implementation in the face of a $2 billion shortfall projected for 2003. In response to the dire fiscal situation, a Massachusetts coalition of labor and community organizations is pressing for the freeze, along with rnstatement of a state capital gains tax.

A similar campaign is developing in Washington State. Washington, which has no state income tax, has one of the most regressive tax systems in the nation. The lowest-income fifth of taxpayers pay over 15% of thr income in state and local taxes (such as sales and property taxes), while the top 1% of households pay less than 5% of thr income. The Washington Association of Churches has convened a broad-based coalition of labor, religious and community organizations to address both the immediate budget crisis and the long-term tax equity problems that result from not having a state income tax. Its proposals for easing the short-term crunch include eliminating corporate tax loopholes. The coalition is also mounting a statewide educational campaign about the budget crisis ???????? and about how five tax cuts over the last decade have gutted state revenue.

In Texas, a new coalition, ProTex, has also decided to make tax fairness a major focus on its work. Like Washington State, Texas has no income tax, and its tax burden is highly regressive. Protex has launched an educational campaign to lay the groundwork for next year????????s legislative session. Elsewhere, Tennesseans for Tax Fairness are working to stop expansion of a state sales tax, which includes a tax on food. As an alternative, they have joined up with thr Republican governor to call for the establishment of a state income tax.

These statewide organizations are not simply working to plug a fiscal gap. They are also mobilizing to make sure that, during this time of war and recession, it is not the most vulnerable and disadvantaged who will be paying the price.
LETS BRING ANOTHER 30 MILLION PLUS LEGAL/ILLEGAL ALIENS IN TEN YEARS THAT WILL NOT PAY THERE WAY AT POVERTY LEVEL JOBS,DEPRESS THE WAGES AND PUT MORE STRAIN ON OUR LIMITED RESOURCES AND THEN BLAME OUR PRESIDENTS.




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peaches
09-04-2003, 06:07 PM
I spent mine on a bottle of wine, a video rental, and a new dress for a wedding I attended. Woooohooo ...

Now if I can only get a job as I've been laid off due to the Bush economy

Lets Review
09-04-2003, 09:49 PM
So boo-hoo somebody's two-incomes add up to 140K and they pay more taxes that somebody making 40K !
Let's all bemoan that factoid together (boohoo)!

Let's first step back and do the math, kids! A $140K annual salary is $5300 per month before taxes, or about $246 per day.

It's simple, bucko! The formula for success which apparently escapes your family is:

Try real hard to live on LESS THAN $246 per day!

That's enough 101 for now... next week we'll show you how to parallell park those two S.U.V.'s out in the driveway... at the gas pumps!

Review Redux
09-04-2003, 09:53 PM
New York State could very well increase your state taxes (hence the name, "state") this year to the tune of that 3800 you mentioned (another boohoo) BUT you still have the power of the almighty dollar because those state taxes are DEDUCTIBLE next year on your 1040 !

So you "double-dipped" again!!

Review Redux
09-04-2003, 09:55 PM
New York State could very well increase your state taxes (hence the name, "state") this year to the tune of that 3800 you mentioned (another boohoo) BUT you still have the power of the almighty dollar because those state taxes are DEDUCTIBLE next year on your 1040 !

So looks like you "double-dipped" again!!