While the audience snickered

[NYURepublican]

no source+ no obvious point= who cares?
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[geezer]

point= Bush lied
Point= sold americans a bill of goods
point= he'll do anything to get his way, including lying
Conclusion= bush is dangerous

[NYURepublican]

So vote against him in the next election. Don't waste our time with one more post that says exactly the same thing as the other 75 one-paragraph anti-Bush posts on this board. You leftist wackos could at l be creative when you Bush-bash; this same old crap is just getting boring.
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[Lata Tude]

Bush shot back Tuesday at those suggesting his administration inflated prewar intelligence data on Iraq's weapons program. He said the most important fact was that "the people of Iraq are free."
Bush speaks at Northern Virginia Community College in Annandale, Va., on Tuesday.
"I know there's a lot of revisionist history going on. But he is no longer a threat to the free world," Bush said as he promoted his domestic agenda at a community college in a Washington suburb. Amid rising questions about the lack of hard evidence that such weapons existed, Bush's spokesman, Ari Flscher, told reporters that the president still believes such weapons existed.
Asked what Bush meant by "revisionist history," Flscher said, "the notion that Saddam Hussn did not have weapons of mass destruction before the war."
However, Flscher said that, since Bush didn't identify who he thought was revising history, he wouldn't ther.
It was the second straight day that Bush defended his rationale for going to war against Iraq.
"We made it clear to the dictator of Iraq that he must disarm."

[NYCDemocrat]

The same could be said about you republicans. If nther side repeated themselves ad nauseum, this board would close down.

[SuzieQ]

You Dems do not know what you want. You a flailing about with no direction. The only thing on your agenda is to take Bush down. You have no point of view as to what you should be doing for the country and the people. Just "let's destroy Bush." It is so sickening to hear this hateful nonsense. Our country is in turmoil, thanks to Clinton's turning a blind eye to the terrorism that has been on the rise since the beginning of the 90's, but yet you like to blame Bush. If anything, blame Clinton for not stopping this when he had the chance. Put the blame where it belongs if you are into the blame game. I am no great Bush lover, but you folks talk about the U.S. is not humanitarian enough and we don't help those less fortunate. Yet when these Iraqi people are now free from these crazy lunatics, Bush is still bng maligned for going in because he did not find the WMD. Are you all nuts!! At the very l, give him credit for that. He, Hussn, had over a year to destroy or hide these weapons due to all the stalling by the U.N. and the Blix boys, who was by the way making $100 hr. Did you actually think they would find anything significant! If you want to blame Bush for anything, blame him for not dealing with the illegal immigration that is hurting all of us but not for freng people from horrible torture chambers. That sounds so stupid. That is why you cannot be taken serious because your arguments are so shallow.
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[irrate American]

TO SUZIEQ, There is just as much reason to bash Bush as well as the Democrats and most Republicans on the issue of illegal immigrants. Bush would reward millions of illegal immigrants with US citizenship for there illegal entry crimes. Bush is just as rotten as the Democrats in protecting our borders from illegal trespassers.

[Mylezylez]

Does anyone on here realize how LITTLE illegal immigrants actually cost us as taxpayers?

Besides, you should all know by now how corporations use illegal immigrants as a kind of slave labor, paying them WAY less than they'd have to pay non-immigrants. People come to the US because it's basically the center of the world right now, and they have better economic opportunities sometimes than in thr own countries.

So really, why focus on them so much? Why not focus on the companies that use them, knowing full well that they are not here legally, for slave labor (a bit of a hyperbole).

And since when did this country decide to stop honoring the very wise words on the statue of liberty? Should we knock that down, now that people no longer believe it?

-Miles
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[NYURepublican]

Quote:Does anyone on here realize how LITTLE illegal immigrants actually cost us as taxpayers?

They cost us the Twin Towers and 3,000 American lives on 9/11 alone.
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[Mylezylez]

So, ALL illegal immigrants are murderers? Or just most?
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[NYURepublican]

Well, that's the trick, isn't it? Figuring out which ones are murderers and which ones aren't? If it were that easy, there wouldn't be a problem. Not all or even most of immigrants wish to do us harm, but because there is a certain percentage that does, the government owes it to us to make sure the borders are heavily regulated. That doesn't mean keeping all immigrants out, but the situation as it exists now is chaos. For all intents and purposes, there is no real border control in this country. If there were, you wouldn't see the INS issuing posthumous visas to Mohammed Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi months after they commit the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil. We need to wake up and stop putting the convenience of forgn nationals above the security of American citizens. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/20/03 9:44 pm

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[Mylezylez]

We must ALWAYS think that a certain percentage of forgners are murderers!

I mean, are you crazy?

You must live in the whitest city in the world, if you actually think at ANY given time that there are forgners out to get you.

9/11 happened IN RESPONSE to the forgn policy of America. NOT because the people perpetrating it were in any way less than human.
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[TheRealThing]

Quote:They cost us the Twin Towers and 3,000 American lives on 9/11 alone.

That is just sickening and ignorant. And downright racist and prejudiced.

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[NYURepublican]

Quote:You must live in the whitest city in the world, if you actually think at ANY given time that there are forgners out to get you.

No, I don't, and yes, there are. Did you pick up a copy of this week's "Newsweek"? Certainly not a conservative mag. The front page story is "Al-Qaeda in America".

Quote:9/11 happened IN RESPONSE to the forgn policy of America. NOT because the people perpetrating it were in any way less than human.

It's always America's fault, right? Are you actually trying to rationalize what those people did? Even if you believe America's forgn policy is wrong, are you saying the fact that the people in those tower died is justified? You may be content to blame 9/11 on America and let the immigration situation persist as it is, but I refuse to stand by and just let more Americans be killed, and then say it's our own fault when it happens.

Quote:We must ALWAYS think that a certain percentage of forgners are murderers!

You're right. Every single immigrant seeking access to this country is a saint, with a soul as pure as the driven snow. Not a one has the slightest inclination to do anyone the smallest bit of harm.

Thank GOD people like you aren't in charge of our nation's immigration policy.

Quote:That is just sickening and ignorant. And downright racist and prejudiced

Call it want you want, but you can't wind yourself around that fact that it's true. There were ILLEGAL ALIENS on those planes that day, and the ones who weren't illegal were able to take advantage of INS loopholes and our generally lax immigration enforcement to enter our country. I'm sickened how you people act like 9/11 never happened, and are so perfectly willing to let the floodgates open to every terrorist and murderer who wants to set foot in America.

I am not the fanatic here; I'm not talking about sealing off the US for eternity. I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants whose identity and criminal/mental health status we are able to verify. But you people are naive or worse to believe that in a post-9/11 world, we can just happily assume that nothing is wrong with immigration in this country. Are you blind? Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/22/03 7:24 pm

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[Whatsup]

The realthing and mylezylez are the reasons we have a huge security and safety problem in this country and LongIsland.They provide the corrupt morality for the businesses that exploit the immigrants when they get here. They don't view this country as ours but for the taking by others. Very sad and dangerously misguided. Keep up your good postings.
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[mlwilson]

it wasn't that long ago that the 2nd largest group of illegals in NYC were the Irish. you couldn't pick up an issue of the Irish Echo without seng an article on immigration status.

seems odd how the complaints you right wingers have (too be honest some ARE valid) with illegals seemed to rise as the color of the illegals darkened!?

[Joe Sixpack]

They're only opposed to Mexicans. They hate the Mexicans so much that a few years ago they condoned the brutal beating of two innocent hard-working Mexican males by two skin-headed Hitler types.

[Whatsup]

Last two postings show thr contempt for a lawful immigration process.Perhaps they hate anything American or European.They apparently have the same kind of hate for lawful citizens as those two hateful goons who beat up the illegal Mexicans.Also people are tired of hearing about this. As usual this horrible incident has been milked by leftists for all it's worth.They never mention all the violent or gang related crimes committed by illegal immigrants.Perhaps they only get thr news from newsday.
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[Shiela]

Sir, do you say that getting the news from Newsday is different from getting it somewhere else? Do you claim that Newsday, by exposing the skin-head story re the two innocent Mexicans, wasn't bng objective? Or do you only [seemingly] hate Newsday because it prints what you don't want to read..like truth??

[Whatsup]

Newsday has not covered news events such as the brutal rape of a women by several illegal Mexicans.They beat up her boyfriend then savagely beat and raped her.There have been drug related arrests associated with illegal aliens Newsday has ignored that.Crime activity is up where I live due to increase of gang activity.Newsday barely mentions the problem and when they do never mention that many of these gang members are also illegal immigrants.Slumlords who house some of these criminals are left untouched by newsday. Taxpayer dollars which some slumlords recve to house immigrants who committ criminal acts is ignored by newsday.The brutal attack which occured against two illegal Mexicans was abhorent and the two goons who did that are bng severally punished as they should be.But the left keeps reminding everybody of it as well as newsday.Well atrocities have occured from the other side as well.If you are a reasonable person and read newsday you would know they are strongly pro immigrant both legal and illegal.They have a political agenda to push and will leave out news that may compromise that agenda.They also use one horrible incident to denigrate an entire community and slanderously label the people that live there as racist which is character assassination of an entire community.The average person is finally getting to see this hypocrisy that newsday is not what it means.
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[NYURepublican]

Quote:seems odd how the complaints you right wingers have (too be honest some ARE valid) with illegals seemed to rise as the color of the illegals darkened!?

Hey, if all the major terrorist networks were operating out of Belgium and Sweden, I'd be saying the same thing. But the fact is, they're not. I don't give a damn where illegal immigrants come from, all I'm advocating is that we have some sensible border control in this country instead of chaos, which is what we have now. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/24/03 5:04 pm

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[waitasec]

First many immigrants that are illegal and hispanic are white. It should not matter what thr color is but only thr standing to be here.Europeans who come here illegally or over stay thr visa's should also be scrutinized and deported.We have to start protecting our borders and all points of entry to secure our safety.

[Observer]

Problem as I see it - - - Democrats don't want to enforce our current laws against illegal immigrants hoping they become legal voters for them in the coming years. Republicans don't want thr natural constituents, small business owners, upset at them. By enforcing the laws, these business owners would have to pay more money and benefits to legitimate workers. Thr costs go up and thr profits go down.

Hypocrisy on both sides results in inaction.

This allows our borders to be porous. A security risk I abhor.

Why don't we elect some politicians, from THER side of the aisle, who have the balls to (a) enforce the exisitng laws, and/or (b) change the laws if they aren't working properly?
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[NYURepublican]

Quote:Why don't we elect some politicians, from THER side of the aisle, who have the balls to (a) enforce the exisitng laws, and/or (b) change the laws if they aren't working properly?

Tom Tancredo (R-CO) has been working hard at doing just that. The man has some balls; I give him credit for standing up to the leaders of both parties and not taking any crap when it comes to illegal immigration. The man is a godsend.
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[concerned voter]

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[PetieBoy]

Didn't at l some of the September 11th terrorist attacks have visas of some sort, and were not in fact illegal immigrants? On a wider scale, I can say with some confidence that Muslims from the Middle are not a big source of any immigration. One, the rich Middle erners will come legally; they can afford to easily and have no reason to sneak into the country. Second, the rich ones usually come by visas - at my school, American U, there are plenty of Middle ern students with visas - although less than there were several years ago. They don't stay. Third, it's rather impractical for poor Middle erners to come; it's far, there's no quick way to get here, the poor are really really poor, and a good number don't even know anything about the U.S. - they probably don't even get to watch Al-Jazeera. Further, they cannot just go back and forth, like immigrants from the Americans often do. The source of concerns over immigration usually revolves Hispanic individuals, and they obviously had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks, or any attacks I can think of. I blame the terrorist attacks on the government - intelligence agencies, and the INS, had all the info they needed to identify and get terrorists and potential ones, and they couldn't get thr act together (despite vague warnings of future attacks in mid-2001) to do so. I believe that problems are best addressed in ways that we have the most control over.