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Mylezylez
06-16-2003, 02:50 PM
I felt this was a wonderful article, that really gets to the heart of an interesting issue. Maybe you'll agree.

<<<The Right to Party

By Neal Pollack, The Brooklyn Rail
June 12, 2003

A few years ago, when I was a reporter in Chicago, I did a story on a phenomenon I called "The New Prohibition." The city, for various reasons, was shutting down nghborhood bars. In poor black nghborhoods, taverns were the targets of moralistic church crusaders. In gentrifying nghborhoods, they were the b?te noire of noise-averse yuppies. What was wrong with Mayor Daley? I asked. Didn't he want Chicago to be fun anymore?


The article garnered a bit of local attention. I appeared on an episode of a nightly public-affairs show. For once, a piece of mine actually got a few letters to the editor. And I decided to take it further. I did a local NPR radio commentary in which I called, tongue-in-cheekly, for a new political party, "The Party Party," that would campaign to make Chicago the freewheeling town I imagined it had once been.


Oh, how na?ve I was then, and how foolish I feel now! Those little tavern raids and precinct vote-dry initiatives were nothing, a little internecine tap-dance, compared to the assault on fun currently bng waged by the federal government. Our right to party is bng attacked by forces far more powerful, more sinister, and more organized than Mayor Daley's liquor-law enforcement bureaucracy. Everything fun about America is under serious threat.


Let's review the evidence of the last few months.


In late February, DEA and Department of Justice officials arrested 55 people and szed thousands of dollars of drug paraphernalia during "Operation Pipe Dreams." The arrests mainly targeted online bong dealers, who attorney general John Ashcroft claimed had "invaded the homes of families across the country without thr knowledge." But also included in the arrests were employees of several head shops in Pittsburgh, where the investigation was centered. The feds even raided the California home of Tommy Chong, who in mid-May pleaded guilty to conspiring to sell drug paraphernalia. The most stunning quote from the whole affair came from acting DEA chief John Brown, who said, "People selling drug paraphernalia are in essence no different than drug dealers. They are as much a part of drug trafficking as silencers are a part of criminal homicide.''


The government is equating Tommy Chong with murderous criminals. Perhaps next they'll haul in Rodney Dangerfield and the inflatable pilot from Airplane! Something is wrong. Very wrong.


In March, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware managed to sneak the RAVE act through as an attachment to a bill establishing a national warning system about child abductions. RAVE stands for, amazingly, Reducing Americans' Vulnerability to Ecstasy. But its main targets are concert promoters and club owners, whom the act holds to an absurd standard.


According to the law, it is illegal to "manage or control any place, whether permanently or temporarily, ther as an owner, lessee, agent, employee, occupant, or mortgagee, and knowingly and intentionally rent, lease, profit from, or make available for use, with or without compensation, the place for the purpose of unlawfully manufacturing, storing, distributing, or using a controlled substance."


This definition was derived from a 20-year-old federal law that permitted raids on "crackhouses." The law is so broad that you could have 10 people over for dinner, put on some loud music, and you've got yourself a rave. If someone lights a joint at your "rave," and the nghbors complain about the music, and the police are in a bad mood that night, you face decades in prison. Suddenly everyone is a potential drug criminal and it's doubly dangerous if there's dancing involved.


And this just in: In late May, a DEA agent in Montana threatened a venue owner with a $250,000 fine, under the RAVE Act, if she hosted a joint benefit for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML) and Students For Sensible Drug Policy. The event was canceled. The RAVE Act has officially arrived.


Keep in mind that these are Democrats pushing these laws. This War On Fun is not single-party. That said, the Republicans seem to have a serious problem with sex. The federal government's financial commitment to "abstinence education" reached a new high this year. When I say a new high, I mean $120 million. This is not the sex education we recved in high school. According to federal guidelines for applying for abstinence education grants, a federally funded program must, among other things, teach "abstinence from sexual activity outside marriage as the expected standard for all school age children," and that "a mutually faithful monogamous relationship in the context of marriage is the expected standard of human sexual activity."


From personal experience, I will agree with certain tenets, such as the fact that "drug use increases vulnerability to sexual advances," and I cannot argue with the fact that "sexual activity outside of the context of marriage is likely to have harmful psychological and physical effects," but is this really something that needs to be legislated? Can you imagine bng a teenager today in this context? Teen pregnancy and STDs are a problem, for certain. But is the answer really organizations like Pennsylvania's Silver Ring Thing, which, in exchange for $12 and a pledge of abstinence until marriage, offers high-school students a silver ring and a Bible? Sounds like a bad trade to me. Couldn't they at l throw a couple of condoms into the gift pack, just to make sure?


Lest we think that these phenomena, which seem to be loosely linked, are just the usual mix of anti-drug nonsense and hypocritical fundamentalism, we should think again. Journalist Eric Schlosser, in his excellent new book "Reefer Madness," drops the stunning statistic that more than 20,000 Americans are in prison for marijuana-related "crimes." But the current trend in policy goes far beyond that. Under the RAVE act, you're guilty by association with marijuana smokers.


Abstinence education had a foothold during Bill Clinton's America, too, but now there's an extra moral force, and lots more money, behind the preaching. When Pennsylvania Rick Santorum made his controversial remarks in April about not approving of homosexual "acts," he also said, "the idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seng it in our society."


What is he talking about? What consequences? As far as I'm concerned, that phrase, from a leading Republican Senator, is an official government declaration of a War On Fun. What exactly would be Rick Santorum's idea of a good party? One where nobody got drunk or high, where nobody hooked up, and where nobody danced with abandon? Why, that doesn't sound like a party. It sounds like church.


I've had enough.


This time, for real, I'm calling for the establishment of a Party Party, or, at the very l, for a Party Party attitude. I'm issuing a call to arms for those of us always in need of, as the great Jeff Spicoli once said, tasty waves and a cool buzz. Of course there are many issues in the world that are more pressing, and we should continue to press them. But Saturday night eventually comes even for the most politically committed. These are tense times. People want to loosen the steam valve a little bit. They want to participate in culture outside of the jurisdiction of federal "morality" educators. We don't want the government telling us how to spend our free time, sussing out and prosecuting casual drug users and harassing nightclub owners. And for heaven's sake, give the kids some condoms.


Sex and drugs and live music make life great. These are the kinds of things that were outlawed in Taliban-run Afghanistan. If they can't be legal and easy in America, then I don't want to live here anymore. I want to live in a place where drugs and sex are tolerated, where the government provides a sane level of social services, where religion isn't always threatening to take over the state. Amsterdam. It always comes back to Amsterdam.


Americans, we have to party. It is our right. And we have to fight for that right. Yes, you heard me. We have to show the moralizers that they cannot win.


We have to fight for our right to party.


Neal Pollack is the author of "The Neal Pollack Anthology Of American Literature" and "Beneath The Axis Of Evil." HarperCollins will publish his first novel, "Never Mind the Pollacks," in September. He lives in Austin, Texas.>>>>

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SuffolkMD
06-17-2003, 10:09 AM
Miles,

Bummed out, huh?

Upset that the definition of a Rave is too broad?

I didn't see you crying when the definition of a "gun show" is made too broad!

Disappointed that Democrats are proposing and passing these bills?

What did you think, that they were just going to go after gunowners, and that's it? Are you that naive?

It is you and your ilk who vote in these Democrats. What will you do about it now? Did Schumer and Clinton vote for the RAVE Act?

Sorry, I don't use ecstasy, nor do I think anyone should. So I have no pity for you. Join the club.

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SuffolkMD
06-17-2003, 10:23 AM
NYU,

I have not read the act, but I believe you are right, as well as the author of the article.

My point to Miles, who posted the article, is that "gun show" was defined broadly to encompass if I had 10 guns to sell in my basement. This was done by the anti-freedom Democrats, and supported by Miles and the other Democratic Supporters.

Now it has come back to bite them in the butt! But what did they expect? That Democrats were only going after guns? We have been saying all along that it's not about guns, its about freedom, but no one on the left side has listened. Because it wasn't an issue they cared about. Now it has affected them, the way the democrats in the city and the state have banned smoking. And the non-smokers don't care.

Soon Americans will not be allowed to do anything, and people will look at each other and say, how did this happen?

I figured I'd just give Miles a wake-up call.

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NYURepublican
06-17-2003, 11:13 AM
With all due respect, Suffolk, I shed no tears for drug users or ravers who are pissed at the passage of this law, but the RAVE Act was in fact unacceptably broad in the way it was written. Under the provisions of the law, the owner of any building in which someone abuses drugs is punishable, regardless of whether or not they even knew that the drug abuse was occurring. So, for example, if some idiot kid at NYU gets busted for snorting coke in his dorm room, the owner of the dorm (the university) is potentially liable under the RAVE Act. Does that really do anything to prevent or punish drug abuse? I'm all for cutting down on drug use, but this was just bad law.

That said, the rest of Mile's post is just pointless whining. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/17/03 3:52 pm

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NYURepublican
06-17-2003, 11:28 AM
I hear you, man. All too often, it's the Dems who are bent on restricting our freedom. And with regard to gun shows, that Lott book I mentioned to you meticulously details how there is no statistical correlation between crime rates and laws regulating gun shows. You couldn't really expect it to be otherwise; as it is only a tiny fraction of guns purchased at gun shows are ever used in the commission of a crime. The only people the law affects are law-abiding gun owners and the people who run gun shows. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/17/03 3:59 pm

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Mylezylez
06-17-2003, 12:48 PM
This is the confusing part. I've come to the conclusion that most Republicans are as cynical about the government and its motives as ANY liberal.

But why do you shove everything into the partisan slot? I've told you a million times, I'm not a democrat, so when I point out the injustices committed by this Republican administration, it's rather silly to point to the democrats as a defense. In fact, Bill Clinton was party to some of the worst legislation in the last 20 years. But in the here and now, more civil liberties as well as corporate legislation are bng rolled back than I've ever seen.

But it's interesting how you view your freedom to own a gun as more important than the freedom to recve health care. Why do you need your guns? Well, I totally support owning a gun, mind you, but I just don't understand why (other than hunting, I suppose).

But to those who responded to this thread, why do you think it's acceptable for innocent people to be locked up in this circumstance. In fact, how does locking up someone who does or has done drugs help ANYTHING?

It's just another witch-hunt.
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Mylezylez
06-17-2003, 01:59 PM
Well, how many times have violent criminals broken into to your house? How about your nghbors? Friends? Family?

But I still disagree with your solution to the drug war. There are millions upon millions who might smoke dope, or have a few drinks or whatever, and I certainly don't think they should be subject to prosecution. If someone wants to "get high" and watch TV, why should anyone stop them? I think when drugs and violence mix, that would be the problem. I know from past experience, and the experiences of old friends that drugs have NOTHING to do with violence. In fact, I've noticed drugs tend to contribute to sitting down and listening to music, reading a book, watching TV, making love, etc. The phenomenon of "drug induced violence" almost certainly comes from the individual, and I feel the actual crime should be the focus.

With all the American drug companies doing so well now, the very notion of a "war on drugs" is extremely hypocritical. The war on SOME drugs has no end in site, because it's assumed that everyone who smokes pot is a violent criminal (there is not a single reported case of marijuana-related violence). Very convenient, since anyone who speaks out against these injustices can be labeled a pothead or whatever (hey, like the war on terror).
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NYURepublican
06-17-2003, 02:32 PM
Quote:Well, I totally support owning a gun, mind you, but I just don't understand why (other than hunting, I suppose).

Maybe you'd understand better if someone broke into your house in the middle of the night and found you there unarmed. Violent criminals love victims who don't exercise thr right to bear arms.

Incidentally, I concede that the drug war needs reform; we have wasted too much money with little to show for it. Legalization is not the answer though. I'd like to see every convict who's found to be abusing drugs to be put through mandatory coerced rehab, and tested periodically after release. A positive drug test lands you back in jail with a stiffer sentence. Alabama has this system, and they've cut down on repeat offense by up to 50%. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/17/03 7:05 pm

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NYURepublican
06-17-2003, 03:09 PM
Quote:If someone wants to "get high" and watch TV, why should anyone stop them?

So who's stopping them now, anyway?

Quote:Well, how many times have violent criminals broken into to your house? How about your nghbors? Friends? Family?

Everybody always says "It won't happen to me". A home is burglarized something like every 20 seconds in America, and I guarantee you that a lot of people who it happens to never experienced it before. But hey, I couldn't care less whether or not you're adequately prepared to defend against a home intruder. If you can convince yourself that you're completely safe, 100% of the time, or that the cops will be there to protect you in the middle of the night, then good for you. But as for me, I prefer to hedge my bets. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/17/03 7:43 pm

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Mylezylez
06-17-2003, 03:40 PM
So NYURepublican,

Is that an actual figure based on crime in America? Did you know that something like 90% of violent crime is committed by someone who KNOWS the victim. So you're afraid that some stranger is going to break into your house and kill you? Do you know how astronomical the odds of that happening are?

In any case, I think you need to read up on the arrests for marijuana in this country. The "getting high and watching TV" phenomenon seems to be a terrible crime under Ashcroft's justice department. Besides arresting people (many of the accounts of arrests describe the swat team breaking down the doors of people who suffer from fatal diseases, and use medical marijuana to feel better) who have only committed the crime of possessing a forbidden plant, Ashcroft has been shutting down so-called "head shops" all around southern california, arresting the employees, and smashing the merchandise. These are real things that happen, and I think it needs to change.

-Miles
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NYURepublican
06-17-2003, 05:20 PM
"Do you know how astronomical the odds of that happening are?"

Frankly, I don't care what the odds are. If it happens, I'd rather be prepared rather than unprepared. Guns are used defensively over 2 million times a year in this country to prevent crime, and that is in fact a hard statistic; see John Lott's "The Bias Against Guns".

But again, I'm not trying to push guns on you. If you truly believe that guns do more harm than good, or that it's 100% impossible for a violent crime to ever happen to you or your loved ones, then by all means, don't ever buy a gun. I honestly don't care what you do. But don't dictate to me how I should exercise my right to self-defense, or try to persuade me to remain defenseless by telling me the odds I will be victimized are "astronomical".

And again, with regard to the drug war, perhaps tactics have in fact been too hard-line (although your points about "SWAT teams breaking down doors" are anecdotal and unsourced). Nevertheless, I don't see making drugs legal (and therefore more readily available) as bng the answer here. I'd rather have coerced rehab, which is fair and humane to the drug-abusing convict, and dries up the demand side of the equation. Will that work for less hardcore drugs like pot? Maybe not. But there has to be a better solution than throwing our hands up and just letting it be a free-for-all. Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/17/03 9:57 pm

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Mylezylez
06-18-2003, 06:34 AM
Well, the basis of the drugs = illegal argument is that all the drugs that ARE illegal are dangerous, deadly, or otherwise undesireable. I happen to think that it's the PERSON, not the drug which contributes the most to behavior. I mean, we've all seen angry drunks, quiet drunks, and everything in between.

Since you brought it up, I seriously don't understand why guns are not only legal, but very vigorously fought for, while SOME drugs are illegal because of the potential damage it does to your body (and those facts are VERY MUCH in dispute). It seems like you should be able to do whatever you want to yourself, as long as you're not posing a danger to others. The worst lie on this subject is the government's notion that all people who use drugs are evil. I guess they don't realize how many people have or do use them.

If you feel that these laws are too harsh, why do you support those who enact and enforce them? Innocent people are having thr lives ruined because of this issue.


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SuffolkMD
06-19-2003, 08:31 AM
Miles, Miles, Miles

Still trying to be allowed to use your drugs, huh?

What character!

<It seems like you should be able to do whatever you want to yourself, as long as your not posing a danger to others>

Question: SHould 5- and 6- year olds be allowed to smoke pot?

If no, please state your reasons why not. And no re-direct into something else. Be the man of character that you think you are. Answer the question.

Thank you

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SuffolkMD
06-19-2003, 08:55 AM
Miles,

<But its interesting how you view your freedom to own a gun as more important than the freedom to recve health care.>

Seems we are back on this again.

What's interesting is that you equate the two. What's tragic is your lack of insight into the American vision of ordered liberty and possession of certain "inalienable rights", one of which is the right to be free. This is accomplished by codifying the right to keep and bear weapons of equal strength to the government's armies, in order to keep the "people" free. Hence, a Patriot like NYU defends this right vigorously from the onslaught of attempts to take this away, as the Founders foresaw.

Now, I might have blinked, but when did health care become an "inalienable right" endowed by our creator. I don't see it in the English Bill of Rights. Nor do I see it in our own Constitution. A human is born, lives and dies in a natural cycle. What you do with your life will determine how long this cycle lasts. Health care is nothing but an unnatural lengthening of the life cycle set up by Nature. It will not change it significantly; We will still all die. It just artificially prolongs your life. The practitioners of medicine offer this service. You are not entitled to it, any more than I am entitled to a house to live in, or food to eat, or water to drink, or a car to drive, or indoor plumbing, or whatever else makes my life more pleasurable.

It's a shame. You have no real insight as to what a right of a citizen is, and that's why it's so easy for you to give them up or take them away.

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Mylezylez
06-19-2003, 12:34 PM
So basically you mean that the right to kill people (in self defense of course) is more important than the right to recve medical treatment for an illness?

And you people sure have an interesting definition of "freedom". How, may I ask, are we more free than anyone else in the world?

There is so much going on right now, and there are people running this country who every day do thr part to make the world a more hostile place, but as long as we can all cling to our guns, civilization will be secure.


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SuffolkMD
06-21-2003, 04:24 AM
Miles,

How else do you remain free?

Do you think that Americans would be more free if the entire population was disarmed, or more free while 80 million people own 200 million guns?

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Mylezylez
06-21-2003, 06:41 AM
So, what exactly about guns brings you freedom? Is it the air's freedom to pass through someone's body after you shoot them? Or are you convinced that there's a whole group of people that are out there waiting to shoot you first?


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SuffolkMD
06-21-2003, 06:48 AM
C'mon Miles,

You're bng silly now.

You know it was guns that created this country by throwing off the yoke of English Oppression.

You know it was guns that freed the African slaves in this country.

You know it is guns that keep other countries armies from invading the US.

Let's get back to a higher level of conversation, shall we?

SuffolkMD
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Mylezylez
06-21-2003, 07:15 AM
Well, I commend you on a very paranoid mindset. I mean, I'd want to buy all the guns I could too, if I felt like the whole world were attacking me.

So you're saying that negotiation, reason, bargaining, or any other non-violent solution that society, in its wisdom, has created is worthless?

Anyway, no one has EVER suggested taking away your precious guns. But do you think gun owners should be 100% responsible for thr actions? I certainly do.

But you're right. I have no problem with people owning guns (although I'll never want one myself, unless I absolutely need it), I just think in general more guns are NOT going to make the world a better place to live.

And here's a question; should Arab immigrants (legal immigrants, mind you) be able to buy as many guns as you?
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SuffolkMD
06-21-2003, 08:20 AM
Yes, if they are naturalized citizens.

If you are going to grant rights of citizenship, then you grant them all, not just some.

Do you disagree?

see you tomorrow

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