Business(Politics) as usual in sheriff's office

[OLDTIMER]

The sheriff just picked a guy w/ 2 years otj to be an investigator because the guy had a hook. Guys with experience and time on passed over for a hack. SO MUCH FOR THIS SHERIFF CLEANING UP THE PLACE!!!!
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[Perp]

What side, C/O or Dep? Not that it matters, each side has their non-inmate exposure types lined up at Tisch's door.

[OLDTIMER]

it was a dep w/ 2 years on - tisch is a joke - no better than the people he replaced
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[STATION1]

This guy must have been on Tisch's root.

[union]

Seems that the union did nothing about it.

[jjsf]

Investigators and Detectives serve at the discretion of the Sheriff or Police Commissioner. I have heard that the union is furious over this not because the guy has two years on but because they did not make the dep an inv. but they have him working as a regular dep in an inv capacity.
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[In the Know]

First of all, there were several other deps that were offered the position for investigator. everyone turned it down including the person who was on for 20 years. several deps turned down the offer except for the dep who can speak several languages he was teh smart one who took the job. Sounds like a bunch of sour grapes again . is it because you weren't offered the Job ?
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[In the Know 2]

First things first I have seen no posting indicating that he is in deed an investigator.

Second my sources say that he is working along side other SCPD PO's at this time.

However I was very surprised that he took the job for many reasons. I worked with the guy on many occasions. He seemed like the kind of guy that would give the shirt off his back. I think he has applied to enter law school instead of finishing up with his Masters Degree. And he planed on reenlisting into the Army he received few calls from his recruiter while we were working together. So why would a guy who could be so busy take on this assignment he should have said NO. As for being a stand up guy maybe I was wrong.

And about the language thing that had nothing to do with it. I happen to know that beside spanglish he speaks another language that he has not disclosed.


This guy is dumb and I Will explain why.

He on numerous occasions stuck up for other deputies;

One a loud mouth who practically gets him self fired when he opens it;

And another pot stirrer who infuriates even the calmest of people with his idiotic statements who I latter found out notified the union.

This guy cant see through these people what quality's does he have making him investigator material. He can not even pick good friends.

Major complaint is he never went through the Suffolk police academy.

The only reason I will be happy is that he wont be around to suck up all that OT.

Ya he is hooked but his hook will retire shortly before I do and I will love to see this guy fall on his face.

He should have said NO if he was so good he would be asked again.

[changing times]

Why did the union do nothing

May be a sign change is needed

[PD K9]

Fowl Ball By your union What kind of relationship do they have with the boss?

What is happening with the airport?

Why did you not help Shelter Island? another greenport.

No good!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[typical]

It's odd that the investigators they appoint are usually the ones who have had the least practical experience doing the job they were originally hired for, i.e. dealing with inmates....

It's funny too, that some of the guys who do the hiring investigations and talk the talk have no idea what it's like to actually DO the job that they're hiring people for.

Business as usual.

[OLDTIMER]

in the know aka prudenti and stuber do yourselves a favor and stop embarrassing yourselves. everyone is onto you.
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[G1 I said G1]

I could not believe it when I heard to cops talking about this in the dinner near my home. And sure enough you fools are putting it out for all to see. Sad who ever you are Oldtimmer time to go.

[PD 10]

He took a permanent assignment or temporary one.

Of his own free will.

Now what is stated in your contract.

what powers does the Sheriff have in these matters.

as long as they do not exceed the 18 months I believe it is legal.

Why doesn't the union request the investigator slot from the county.


Civil Service Law § 58(4)(c) (L 1990, ch 29) directs that:

Any person
who has received permanent appointment as a police officer
and is temporarily assigned to perform the duties of a detective shall,
whenever such assignment exceeds eighteen months in duration,
be appointed as a detective and receive the compensation ordinarily paid to a detective performing such duties (emphasis added).

This is Law But your contract may override the Sheriff's movement of Deputy if that Language is in the contract.

I suggest you check the contract.

Fight the Good Fight but Tread Carefully.

[Patriot]

Do sheriff's investigators do any work outside the jails and investigating sheriff's employees? Like do they assist the east end forces and Suffolk Police in criminal investigations?
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[Former Deputy]

I am a former dep now with SCPD. I still, on a regular basis, hang out with deps. All you guys are just spouting off opinions and really embarrassing the job. If you have a question to as why the union is fighting for for a particular thing - do eveyone a favor and ask them. I actually called your union yesterday and got the full story. You should do the same. There are always going to be cowards who spout off in squad room and bash people behind their backs. The worst part of this is the next day they have their arm around the person they were bashing like they are best friends. Also, PD 10, we all know your a dep not SCPD so don't hide behind that name. One more point - if you can't spell don't post here, you make all law enforcement look bad.

[exnypd]

if you are indeed an "old timer" than you should know not to post other cops names on a public message board.you should also know how law enforcement works...if you don't think hooks come into play in any law enforcement job, then your head has been in the sand.

[OLDTIMER]

MIND YOUR BUSINESS you don't know anything about this situation hooks may come into play but it doesn't make it right and for you to say thats how law enforcement works show that your are a jackass. my contractual rights are being violated and i am glad my union is standing up for me and the 260 other deps i work with. as far as using names those two idiots need to be called on the carpet because they lie, they use peoples names in their lies and they are bringing this job down
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[on the job]

what lies are we talking about Berger and what does the contract say.

honestly we are being violated just working with you.

[1013]

PD 10 you quote law very well. Your contract clearly states that only Investigators can do Investigator work, as only Deputies can transport inmates. The law you quote was made to cover guys who were not getting paid as Investigators. Also, that law is based on NYPD fighting for it. Every guy on this job should be pissed that the Sheriff is using people outside he duties. If we allow this to happen then we will have to allow the Sheriff to give C/O's K9, DA's jobs, Task Force jobs and so on.

Sheriff Tisch is entering an election year he is going to pander to C/O's. He has made this clear already.

Tisch claimed he is not a political person, he lied and will soon show how much he is worse then prior administrations.

[civil drible]

this is how life works you are all just so damb spoiled and it hurts.

[Thump]

God forbid 1013 if the sheriff shows any attention to anyone other than the deps. huh...Just like the last guy, give me a freaking break!!!

[jailer]

1013- you are absolutely incorrect. Tisch recently addressed the C/O membership at a Union meeting and basically told us we're getting NOTHING with the exception of having all C/O's OC trained by the end of next year, as well as having a (1) C/O assigned to a K-9 detail. That's right. You read correctly. We are actually going to be given a post that we're entitled to, and should have had long ago.

So please refrain from misinforming the reading Public about Tisch's 'pandering' to the Correction division.

Quite the contrary, you should be thanking him for letting you continue to do the Corrections work that your 6 months of Police Academy training does not validate.

Have a nice day.

[ON THE GATE]

YOU GUYS ARE FAILING YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND SOON YOU WILL BE IN THE DOG HOUSE. LIKE WE USED TO BE. MAN YOU GUYS ARE CRY BABIES.

[WAKE UP]

FOR YOUR INFORMATION SEVERAL CORRECTION OFFICERS ARE IN THE TASK FORCE ASSIGNMENTS.

WHY SHOULDN'T WE BE WE ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST LIKE DEPUTIES.

THE WAY YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT DEP W/ 2 YEARS ON IS HOW WE FEEL WITH YOU DOING OUR JOB. SUCKS.

LOVE TO SEE YOU GUY AT EACH OTHERS THROAT FOR A CHANGE.
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[typical ha]

You make it sound as if the job is all that hard. You spend 6 months in an academy learning stuff you will never use. And a week at the Sheriff academy learning how to do paper work and a few other things that can be taught in a day. You drive taxi's your not curing cancer and you sure as hell are not cops. So do your self and everyone else a favor and get over yourself. You are typical a know nothing complain bag o'crap.

[JOB]

Tisch saying he will give jail guards a K-9 is a major labor violation. I thought Tisch said he was going to be the non-political Sheriff? What a joke. He is worse then any Sheriff I have ever worked for.

C/Os have never had K-9, that work is exclusively performed by Deputies. Tisch is asking for a major labor battle going into an election. Not a wise move.

[k9]

Corrections Officer Robert Hukill. With the Warren County Sheriff's Office for one year, with dog handler duties being assigned in June 2002. The dog that I work with is an 11-month old Belgian Malinois named Ira. Ira, at the age of 12 weeks, was donated to the Sheriff's Office by Barb Ruhlman, Indian Ridge Kennels, Youngsville, Pa.

The Ulster County Jail has one Corrections K-9 Unit, a Gang Officer and a Corrections Emergency Response Team.

[BehindBars]

A labor violation? What are you talking about? You do not have exclusivity to certain jobs, as much as you may wish you do. The Sheriff can assign his staff as he sees fit, providing they have the necessary training to perform the task. You sound like just another self-centered elitist.

[typical]

To the non-GED individual that responded to me: I hope you work in a post that doesn't require report writing. Public education failed you. I pity the ADA who has to go before a Grand Jury with one of your reports.

Then again, you're probably one of these useless sloths our Department hires because you have some hook somewhere that conned your investigator. There's plenty of these people in this Department, folks, and it's a shame that they allow this to continue.

Please spare me and the readers of this forum the pain of reading one of your responses.

Thank you.

[typical or comical]

You are a sad little man. You waste your time on a subject you can not even understand. It happens inside the jail too. But we keep this to ourselves deps just can not keep their mouths closed.
Some people have hooks we do not even know about.
A deputy failed a part of his investigation. He had a hook to get on. Same deputy stepped out of line while on an assignment and he is still with us.
He helped on the campaign trail. but he is so messed up no one talks to him. booo hooo.

I don't have a hook.:">

[no]

The Sheriff cannot assign people as he finds fit you ass. If that was so he would have just given you the jobs and not tried to cut a deal with the PBA. Don't be mad you are not getting a job you could not pass the test for. If Sheriff Murphy, (Sorry I meant Tisch) could give jobs to CO's he would. Deputies for decades have manned the K-9 functions for the Sheriff's Department. No CO has ever had a K-9. Only Deputies have handled K-9 both in the jail and in law enforcement jobs. If the Sheriff tries to assign a CO to do K-9 work that is a going to cost him an embarrassing lose in an election year. Since I cannot stand the phoniness of this Administration I sure hope he panders to the COs.
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[SH]

The Broome County Sheriff's Correction Division, currently operates facilities in the Broome County Sheriff's Correctional Facility in the Town of Dickinson. The Correctional Facility is a direct supervision podular construction jail with a capacity of 484 inmates. The facility and it's operation is accredited by the NYS Commission of Correction and the NYS Sheriff's Association and was the second facility in the State to attain this recognition.

The Correction Division operates courthouse holding areas reducing transportation costs of inmates and increasing the ability of the Division to service the courts.

[line]

The bottom line is that no matter what side of the Sheriff's Office you work for Tisch is in many ways worse then Manhoney ever was. Time for changing of the Sheriff again.

[PRO SHERIFF]

NO NEED TO CHANGE SHERIFF JUST YOUR ATTITUDE.

[Educator]

Evidently anonymity breeds ignorance on this forum. The misinformed persons on this board should really know their facts before they post. To wit:

-C/O's can and will be trained to perform K9 duties. The 'other' division will be free to continue their feeder-fish practices of doing other agencies jobs. That's fine.

-The Sheriff may assign his people wherever he wants. In fact, he may even relieve the 'enforcement' division from the tedious task of escorting inmates through the tunnel at County Court in order to take advantage of their 'enforcement' abilities. Isn't that a weight off your shoulders?

-The C/O's have been and are willing to take on more tasks for the same money in order to allow the Sheriff to deploy his 'enforcement' division to those assignments that the taxpaying citizens of this county are paying them for. Yes, that's a good thing for you.

So please stop the bitterness. We've been told there is no money in the budget for anything we need, not at all because of the boat you got, I think.

Thanks in advance for discontinuing the disinformation campaign. Enjoy the holidays.
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[PROFESSOR]

The sheriff cannot assign people wherever he wants. Have you heard of the Taylor Law unit work provisions? If C.O.'s have never performed the duties and the deputies have then the deps have what is known as exclusivity and that particular job is their bargininng unit work.

[line]

PROFESSOR - Very well said. You speak from a position of knowledge unlike many other posters.

Tisch and his gang are trying to create positions for guards to buy votes. He made a promise not to change any job functions. Yet, another lie.

In the months to come you will see Tisch giving politcally connected people prime jobs.

As long as other unions are willing to take jobs from others people like Tisch will thrive.

[Educator]

Taylor law provisions? What does that have to do with assigning his staff to positions they are qualified for? Hmmm, the greed is clouding your head.

Ok, I'm not talking about C/O's pulling over at car accidents and waiting for SCPD like you guys, but rather those menial jobs that you are burdened with. You know the ones, lets not reiterate. Like I said, if he wants to place me in, let's say, District court tommorrow, it can be done. Just the same as if he says, "take that inmate with his exposed jugular to the hospital instead of waiting for the duty office to track down a Deputy ride for him".

I'm starting to see a pattern here. It's become obvious that our embattled former Sheriff Mahoney spoiled some of you guys, why else would you cry so much about Tisch? Look, he hasn't taken anything away from you guys, plus you got your impressive vessel out east to fight that escalating maritime crime, so stop your little tantrums. Besides, what's wrong with giving Corrections 1 lousy K9 detail? Talk about greed....and you guys wanted Highway and Parks?.....jeez, I can cut the hypocrisy with a knife.

If anything, we have much more a reason to gripe; stripped away seniority, promotional zone scoring, non-meritorious appointments, the list goes on and on. But griping gets us nowhere, and besides, as we all know, who cares about us guards anyway? Don't worry about us helping Tisch get relected. I can assure you that you guys can man those phone banks and hand out pamphlets at train stations again all by yourselves this time.

So again I say, grab some kleenex, wipe that snot off your upper lip, dab those tears, and lets move forward in Peace and harmony.....but, as I suspect will happen, those negative replies will follow....oh well.

Yours truly, The red-headed step child of the Sheriff's Office (at least when Mahoney was in office)

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[line]

Hey un-educated you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Tisch cannot give you a job performed by a person in another unit. That is both a fact and the law. Go look it up instead of spouting off in such an ignorant fashion. You C/Os are always looking to take someone else's jobs.

Tell me why should the Sheriff waste money to buy another K-9 when he already has 3?

Tisch came into office stating how he was so pure and would never play politics. Open your eyes and you will see what he has being doing. Watch and see how he is about to buy off politically connected guys to get support for his election. By the way that is politically connected C/Os. Can't wait to see you crying then.

[Parks]

Deputy Sheriff's seem to be malcontents. And the union powerless why should we join that. As for the Sheriff seems to have done allot for the department. If anything as long as he does not hurt you he is good. He seems to be a very honest man with serious credentials. You should be careful in making statements to oust him 250 Deputy's do not have that power. And that is why you will see a dog in the jail.

and remember when it comes to jobs you do not own them. Correct me if I am wrong Deputy Sheriff's once stood in the court houses as security. And the Deputy Sheriff's had fugitive squad. It can all be taken away with the stroke of a pen. And you will find your selves all evicting people.

You should all try to get along better. The Sheriff Knows very well that with 800 CO's he could get the word out to more people and I am sure he will reach out to Police unions for support.

He will be Sheriff again.

[uplate]

give me a break, it is you park rangers who asked to join the Deputy PBA. Deputies never did fugitive, Deputies gave up the courts by choice, it cannot be taken away with the stroke of a pen, You asked to be corrected now you are. C/Os have never picked a winner in a major election. Tisch is not a bad guy but please tell me what his "serious credentials" are? He and his staff have ZERO law enforcement experience and training. I for one happen to like this admin, I have never had so much OT.

[104]

10-4

[Educator]

I knew it. Ok, I know a few guys that work over there and you few militant Deputy dudes ruin it for the rest. But since you insist on carrying on the disinformation campaign for the readers here, I might as well spell out a few facts you curiously left out.

For one, you keep touting these 'Taylor law provisions', and taking someone else's job. Where were these laws when your previous Sheriff, the one you love and miss terribly, booted the C/O's out of District court? Those spots were taken from C/O's by that Sheriff, without any consideration for seniority, with no reasonable explanation at all. We all know he wanted to expand your numbers, at our expense, and you continue to reap the benefits of his policies. He routinely violated our contract and sapped our resources while you gained greater numbers. Good for you. We all know that you'd be done with the stroke of an Execs pen, so enjoy yourself.

Your greedy attitude is really pathetic. In addition, your explanation about Tisch favoring us is such nonsense, as well as sounding like the rantings of a spoiled rich kid. I can't blame the arrogance that emanates from your side. It's been fueled by years of blatant favoritism from Mahoney and his staff. Funny, but you didn't sound like this years ago when they questioned the need for you, and that ugly 'layoff' word was kicked around.

So Mr. and Mrs. Forum Reader, please understand this: the Sheriff Dept. is made up of two divisions, Corrections and Deputies. NYS has mandated that the jails be staffed with an X amount of C/O's at any given time. Our duties are clear cut and defined by Correction Law and the Minimum Standards. We do not suffer from an identity crisis like some others do, those whose chameleon-like existence is repeatedly defended on this board and others. Nowhere does it say that Deputies, who as they are quick to point out are empowered with police status, are needed to escort inmates, guard inmates, sit in hospitals with inmates. Evictions, civil process, orders of protection, etc, sure. No wonder why they yearn for days of the good ole boy Mahoney administration. Make sure you send an xmas card to Chiefs Otto and Kneitel while you're at it.

I wish these people would just stop justifying themselves to the public and get on with their lives. I've said enough, I think my points speak for themselves. I will not respond again. Any post with this name on it hereafter is a fraud.

Have a nice Holiday.
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[PROFESSOR]

The difference with district court is that there was no exclusivity.

[line]

Un-educated you show exactly how ignorant you are every time you post. I was just waiting for District Court to be mentioned.

District Court was manned by SCPD and Deputies for years, then just Deputies for years. C/O's were added taking jobs from Deputies. With the move to the new court complex in Islip C/O's were removed and the job was once again exclusively Deputies. The C/O union sued the Sheriff under the Taylor Law saying that the Sheriff could not move the C/O's. Well the Sheriff won big. Two reasons were give by PERB. One that the C/O's never had performed the job exclusively as the Deputies had. The second is even better. The C/O's contended only they could handle inmates and arrested persons since Deputies were not trained to do this. Well that was laughed out of court and in the ruling the arbitrator stated that since Deputies are trained to a higher level they can do any job a C/O can but not vice versa.

Tisch wants to add another K-9 so C/O's search the jail. This is both illegal and a huge waist of money to pander to a union. Deputies have exclusively performed K-9 functions for the Sheriff. This also includes inside the jail.

Un-educated you take a shot at both Chiefs, is this because you are jealous that no jail guard has ever scored high enough to beat a deputy for the job?

Now go cry to Tisch, after all an election year is coming maybe he will give you new uniforms. Oh wait he waisted money on that already. And may I add how sharp looking your new uniform is, NOT. Even TISCH made you stay in that wonderful gray color. But I am sure you still go around calling yourself Sheriffs.

[EDUCATED]

I have to laugh as I read your post. To begin with adding someone to the K-9 unit is not the same as taking the entire unit from one division and giving it to another. The Sheriff can add anyone he want's to any unit and has proven that by mixing c.o's and deps in many places. You obviously haven't been on the job very long based on your statements about district. You talk as if you were there , but if you were you would know the cos back then was a co. oh and as far as cds civil service tests are only open to deps .

[Greyshirt]

Your response to the post about DC was nothing more than the ramblings of a bitter, immature person with his facts mixed up. YOU are the reason these boards are littered with negative rhetoric.

Not once did I read previously where a C/O wanted a Deputy to lose his/her job, but I can read where your mindset is. You are just another anonymous flaming troll who casts a poor light on your coworkers.

I happen to like our new uniforms. They are practical and comfortable, and there is not ONE fellow officer that I know who goes around and touts him/herself off as a "Sheriff". That might work for you in a movie theater, but not for us. Please stop falsely portraying us as wannabes, which is what you most likely seem to be. We take no shame in accepting our roles in the continuum, maybe you should learn from that. You are an insecure elitist. Btw, I recall a time when you wore the same uniform, except you didn't have the bling-bling on your collar.

Yes, please let me know when I, a Correction Officer, can take the "Chief Deputy Sheriff" test. As for Chief of Staff, I assume Chief Otto was appointed, if not I'll stand corrected.

Oh, please inform us how utilizing a K9 within the confines of a Correctional facility is 'illegal'?

Go away.

[Greyshirt]

The previous post was in response to "Line' .

[In the middle]

I have listened to both C/O's and Dep's go round and round about what the other sides have received from up the hall. Whether it be jobs, uniforms, collar brass, boat, now another K9. The one thing I always hear the dep's say is that C/O's should stop trying to take jobs that are outside the jail and they don't want any part of being in the jail. They feel C/O's should be content working in the jail. Suddenly there is a jail K9 job and the dep's change their mind. They still want the C/O's to stop trying to get outside jobs, but it is OK for them to come in now. Make up your minds. There is a big difference between a jail K9 and a street K9. Leave the jail K9 to the C/O's and move on to getting your second boat and new ATV's.

[depwatcher]

Look at the deps squirming now...They've been trying to get a piece of everybody elses job for years (guess evicting old ladies was getting boring) and now when someone (c/o's) want to reclaim turf or get a bennie or two, the deps are howling...They want to take patrol functions in the county (sorry..district). But SCPD has been doing them exclusively since 1960, and now the deps want a piece of the pie. They wanted the highways (fell thru), motorcycles (they got trained only after SCPD, as well as every agency in the tri-state area, told them no way.... and then a magical phone call was made and 'voila', they were in the county motorcycle course), they tried to move in on the Marine Bureau turf (and somewhat got their foot in the door with their east-end vessel). Now they are not content to be outside the jail, they want in.. Hey, let the c/o's have a k-9 in the jail..how is it gonna affect u guys??? And by the way...why are there 3 deputy k-9's ????For a potential jail break ??? Not much help when they are always floating around mastic and gordon heights... What a bunch of chameleons. Stick to evictions and enforcing orders of the court. So what if u are police officers, sounds like u are over-qualified for your duties.... Make the sheriff an appointed position and clean house....

[RinTinTin]

Listen, forget all those perp related tasks the Dep dogs can be doing. They provide hours of entertainment for the people waiting for visits at the Yaphank Jail (who carry more drugs than NBA players) by performing frisbee tricks.

Ruff Ruff..

[Bow Wow]

....instead of new pants, the way you people cry. Probably squat when you pee too.

I can only imagine how much crying you do when you find out the Deps are getting a helicopter too.

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[bow wow not]

Hey Bow Wow how about how you guys will cry when the Sheriff activates the new C/O S.L.A.P program in the spring. Bet it makes you forget about you helicopter. hehe

[Hey]

Deputy sheriff's respond domestic calls? I heard they responded recently where there was a brawl between the stepfather of a teen girl over a cookie.
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[Maybe]

You never know these days what a parent will abuse a kid over.
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[tierhack3]

What a joke...... Taxi cab drivers should not PLAY cop, someone could get hurt

[HeHeHe]

Kinda like "falling" down an elevator shaft ?

[hehehoho]

or like beating a M/O with night sticks. Two can play this game!

[Two Idiots]

You two are embarrassing yourselves and your office. Say whatever you want to each other's faces, but don't be cowards and hide behind the anonymity of this board.

If you haven't noticed, the divide and conquer approach has always worded to management's advantage. Don't play into it. We each have our jobs and should be working together, not against one another!

[Hey]

Where in my post does it say the stepfather abused her?? Jeesh you folks make things up as you go along just to collar someone??
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[LOL]

Good thing that Sheriff Tisch has not yet tried to put jail guards at the security booths. We would still have a bank robber on the lose.

This shows what a misuse of taxpayer dollars it is to add 3 more K-9s and give them to jail guards. If Tisch wants to add 3 more K-9s he should give them to deputies. The only thing jail guards can do is walk a dog inside the jail. Lets see what makes more sense K-9s for Deputies who are cops and can do all kinds of different jobs or K-9s for jail guards who can only walk around in the jail with them?

You think Nassau just got beat up for mis-management wait till Tisch's opponent starts with all of Tisch's!
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[Hey Jerky]

Make sure your K-9 guys say something like that next time the Nassau County Jail Guards are training your glorified taxi drivers and their dogs!

Why are some of you Black Clad Jail Guards such azzholes?

[Hey Stupid]

What side of the fence do you want us to believe you come from?
First you make your witty taxi driver quip.
Then you refer to a sertain group of jail guards, you know the black clad ones?

Or are you really just a perp who got busted by one of the "glorified taxi drivers" and now had your cell tossed by the "black clad jail guards"???

[tierhack3]

I do know one thing.... When scpd needs a k9 they dont call the deps. when east end depts need a k9 they dont call the deps.you dont handle 911calls like the REAL police so you dont need a k9. and now that your about to be thrown out the the jails (not that you spent any time there anyway... ) I ask the tax payers of suffolk county.... Why do cab drivers need K9 anyway????

[LOL]

Keep talking you ignorant fool. SCPD and Deputy K9s do in fact work together. East End Departments with the exception of Riverhead PD have no K9s and soley rely on Deputies.
Troopers on Long Island don't handle 911 calls I guess according to you they are not real cops.
Tell the taxpayers why Sheriff Tisch needs to waste a half million dollars to have jail guards walk around inside a jail with dogs. They can't do anything else.
Now go take my test and someday you can work your way up to cab driver from babysitter.

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[NotLaughing]

So lol, since you're so keen on saving the taxpayers of this county some cash, maybe you can explain the fiscal responsibility in having 'Police Officer' trained deputies walking inmates down a hundred yard tunnel in order to turn them over to NYS Court Officers? Why are we paying them for that menial task? Not to mention all those cars that go with them. Let me give you some game; C/O's can do it with less Officers, and without the cars.

Why do we pay them to guard inmates at District Court? Isn't that more along the lines of 'Peace Officer' duties? 6 months of training for that? You people are so quick to disparage other uniformed Officers, yet you can't even properly fill up your gas tanks at Southaven park, I mean, what was it, 80 gallons of overflow? Can someone say 'No doze'? What about having a prisoner steal your pocketbook and use you cellphone, and eat your lunch? I'm sure that particular Dep disagrees with you. You say WE can't do anything else? Please properly assign the ineptitude where it belongs.

As far as K9 goes, I'd rather see 'jailguards' using a dog inside the jail than seeing a Deputy play Frisbee with a dog on the outside.

The fact is YOU can't do anything else but spout off foolish claims. I wouldn't take your test, ever. The thought of working with people like you is nauseating.

Comments about broken elevators and inmates falling down them should be addressed to Suffolk County DPW. They were responsible for fixing a defective door, not the C/O's. Oh, and as far as saving money, we applaud the nice scam you have of having sentenced inmates with a Wednesday court date go upstate on Monday, thereby guaranteeing you overtime in transporting him back. Nice. Really. Especially from a guy who wants to save us so much money. We know who calls those shots. Here's a hint: they're not guards.

You hung the dirty laundry. What's that old adage? People who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones....

[Laundry]

You want dirty laundry? How come we have jail guards getting paid overtime to work out on their meal period and then they have inmates make them breakfast, lunch and dinner? How come we have jail guards mowing lawns and fixing cars? How come every CO Lieutenant and above gets a county car to drive to and from work? Why is the taxpayer purchasing guns for COs when they have no need for them? How come we have jail guards driving all over the county to deliver bread and lunch to other guards?

You want to compare a dep having her phone stolen to a Jail Guard who handcuffed an inmate to a pipe and gave him blow jobs? You want to talk about an Undersheriff who was sleeping with a married CO? You want to talk about a CO who was arrested for dealing major amounts of drugs? You want to talk about the CO who was cheating on her husband took off with a guy from Sports Plus, leaving him there and had a three day manhunt for her? Want to talk about the CO who was shot dead in a bar in Mastic after he pulled a gun on a cop? The elevator yep DPW threw the guy in to the door? Do you want to talk about the CO who dressed up as a Deputy and was pulling cars over in Yaphank? Do you want to talk about the female CO who was arrested in NYC doing armed robberies with her boyfriend? Want to talk about the golf course you guards did 50K in damage to or the tour bus company that will no longer do any work for the Sheriff because of you COs? Want to talk about the CO caught shoplifting womens underwear in the Riverhead Target, in uniform? Want to talk about the gay CO caught in uniform in the Southampton Park and ride? Want to talk about the CO tipping off Pelosi?

I have many more, those are just came to mind. Next time you are longingly look through the bars out the window at the Dep exercising his K9 partner wishing you more then you are stop and count your blessings that a moron like you has a job in the first place. Even if it is only being a jail guard.

[Snow]

Why don't all you bored midnight idiots go outside and have a snowball fight?

[tierhack3]

There is a test for wanna be cop? I have to check the civil service website... OH here it is, under taxi cab driver I . PS you forgot to mention the c.o. who was fired last year because he had a problem keeping his twig and berries in his pants during the police Olympics...... oh wait...... that was a deputy..... Edited by: tierhack3 at: 12/20/04 6:18 pm

[re; laundry nothing shock]

That's funny 'laundry' person, I can tell you must have stained your undies as you were frantically writing those pathetic allegations. Yes, some of them were true- we had a few bad apples weeded out by IA, as any agency out there has had a few blemishes. But you're wrong on the cars for ALL Lt's, wrong on the food delivery (the food is brought to District Court so you can feed the inmates, as well as probation), wrong on the landscaping (it's done by inmates under supervision, part of the farm program), and on and on.

I like your spunkiness, however misguided you are. It's painfully obvious that you have alot of pent up frustrations. Issues. Many issues. Take advantage of the Suffolk Cty EMHP mental health care.

I think referring to as us bottom feeders is a bit trite. I like the reference to you guys as feeder fish. Now that was an original. You know, like those little manic fishies (YOU) who hang all over the big fishies (SCPD, US, NYS Troopers, Parks, Court Officers, Boy Scouts) in order to survive.

Lets face it dude, they almost got rid of you way back when, remember? When you wore the grey shirts and mailman pants, and drove the red and white cars? There was some knee knocking then, remember?

So stop mocking us, it's boring. Instead, praise us. Take a moment away from your mudslinging to stroke the hand that feeds you. Hmm, how about a simple analogy for your simple mind. You should look at us like a hungry inmate looks at you while you place in his hand that delicious bologna sandwich.

I gotta stop browsing this forum. It's so hard to reason with such hardened hearts....

[Laundry]

OK, so lets see I was partially wrong not all Lt's illegally get cars but most do as do all above them. The rest is true. What a sad bunch of people you are.

As for the rest of your sophomoric post thank you for the laughs. I will think about every time I drive by the jail and watch you looking out the bars longingly wishing you had my job.

[tierhack3]

would that be the same look u give a Suffolk cop when he drives by you and laughs .......

[SCPD]

we have no problems with the deps, dont drag us into your problem.

[Dinostar]

I am an old timer who came across this dialog because a Civilian friend, who saw this, told/or asked me what was the deal with sheriffs employees.
After reading it I became disgusted that a few of the new generation sheriff's could denigrate the job on this public forum, for all the public( the good ,the bad, and the ugly).
It certainly leaves them with the impression that all the good members of the dept. are unprofessional malcontents, with to much time on there hands.
Unless things have changed all that much the careers in the dept are certainly better than the jobs we had as civilians.
And I know not all of you may be assigned to your dream position, but until your fortune changes for a better assignment or Job, consider the big picture the pay, benefits and retirement.

NOW, I KNOW THAT YOUR FINGERS ARE BURNING TO TYPE A RESPONSE.
I IMPLORE YOU TO VENT YOUR FEELINGS TO YOUR UNIONS AND LET THEM WORK IT OUT, NOT IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM.

AND MY PARTING WORDS ARE

PEACE ON EARTH AND GOODWILL TO MEN
AND HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND SAFE NEW YEAR

[dinostar go]

Dino Star - you hit the nail on the head. Believe me, these few on this board do not represent the majority of Deps or C/Os. We all know where we stand and are OK with it the way it is.

[United]

First of all - who helps to train with the suffolk deps with canines. Our brother Nassau County C/O's.

And to our brother Deps in Suffolk, don't worry - we won't be getting any canine. It's nothing more then a carrot dangling in front of our noses. And if they do offer it up - it will be at such a high price - we won't want it, because they'll give it to a favorite son.

About 600 C/o's will be standing on the front lawn of the Riverhead Jail waiting to great Tisch soon. Why don't you (Deps) join us? :twisted:

[With U]

Let me know when I will be their. I am Dep and I'm sick of Tisch. All these politicians try to keep us divided (contrary to what they say). We someone to bring us together.

Don't worry my brothers help is on the way!!!

[I know you]

you think i dont know who you are brother go drive your fire truck

[With U]

What??

[WithU2]

What's with the C/O who has the take home truck so he can plow Tish's driveway ??

[on da gate]

Demarco will change things fast.

[DEMARCO FAN]

Vinny will improve quality of life for scso employees

[fan base]

Demarco is one of levy;s boys and anti police union.

[someone who cares]

You alienated your entire department, destroyed morale, lost your own party's backing so what do you do?Answer is say your opponent is anti-cop, that is funny coming from a guy who does not honor the collective bargaining agreements within his own Law Enforcement Department! How do you feel about seniority? Neither union has any use for you or your management style. No worries you can always turn to the taxpayer that is unless you are trying to jam a 450 million dollar tax expense down there throats. Good luck in your retirement :!:

[someone who cares]

TALK IS CHEAP TISCH :roll: You alienated your entire department, destroyed morale, lost your own party's backing so what do you do?Answer is say your opponent is anti-cop, that is funny coming from a guy who does not honor the collective bargaining agreements within his own Law Enforcement Department! How do you feel about seniority? Neither union has any use for you or your management style. No worries you can always turn to the taxpayer that is unless you are trying to jam a 450 million dollar tax expense down there throats. Good luck in your retirement :!:

[Union Made]

That was very well said. You are right on the money when it comes to Tisch and his administration.

Tisch deserves praise. He has done what no one before has been able to do. UNITE BOTH DIVISIONS! Thats right AL, both the Deputies and Correction Officers agree 100% on this one. They both feel your time is over. Your poor management combined with the cement heads you have put in charge have lowered morale in both divisions to a new low. It is sad to say but times were actually a little better under that convicted felon MOrris than it is now. Now thats pretty sad.

Don't be surprised AL if one day you look out your window and see C/Os and Deputies standing shoulder to shoulder calling for your ouster and the ouster of your hand picked management team(LOL). From the "UnderSheriffs" to the Warden and quite a few in between, your administration has brought this department to a new all time low. HOPE YOU'RE PROUD!!!

[CO's and DEP's Unite]

United we will change the Sheriff's Office with a leader like Vinny Demarco. Look out B Olsen Demarco is on the ticket.

[Tommie]

If Demarco is going to be Sheriff then we need someone like Hastings to be a under sheriff!

United we Stand!!!

[CO's and Deps]

Demarco was key in getting The County Exec into office. Who do you think will endorse him. What party may I ask?

Demarco for Sheriff if steve says he is good well?

yeah, Demarco for sheriff...Or Frayler for Police Commisioner..that's like the fox guarding the hen house...

[shanked]

i would have no problem if sherrif roso p coletrain ran guch guch go get get em.......and denzler errr i mean eanus as his undersheriff....................flash can be the k-9..........

[Tommie]

Many union leaders have gone on to become elected officals. Two recent ones would be Mahoney and O'Leary. DeMarco running would be nothing new.

[W O W]

Tisch and his boys might leave, but the real problem will remain. You see, too many of the sapplings already have significant roots. Some are wardens, some are chiefs, some are "the most powerful man in the sheriff's office". Even if Tisch leaves, and walks away with Under Dumb and Under Dumber, some of the people who have a lot to say right now will continue to have a lot to say with the "new guy" whoever that is. The problems will continue, the frustartions will continue etc. Do you think these self inflated, coniving jerks give a damn about you or anyone - NO! When they have an Investigator spot, and you with your twenty one years would just love to have that spot for your last couple of years, they will still make "their" guy or gal. Do you think they care about you, or your morale? Obviously not, look what they did to the Deps; took a guy who was in plain clothes as an Investigator, promoted the guy right to investigator sgt. (What about all the guys who were already sgts.?) Then they took a guy on the job for under two years and put him in plain clothes, forget about the poor bastard who's been here twenty years, been pushing the car around all these years, lets make the new guy who's "daddy in law" has the juice. The job will be exactly the same no matter who wins in November, because "the good ol' boys" will still be here.

[wow private sector]

I have been on working at the NYSE for 22 years never heard of Vinny Demarco. He made millions on wall street why did he become a Deputy Sheriff. He is the president of the union a man who does not need money wrong guy for the job. I know that the Deputy Sheriff's backed Levy and Demarco put the feather in his hat. All you'r hard work for what bad contracts no credit. Newsday was allowed to put a bad spin on the few Deputy Sheriff's and Correction Officers who worked hard and lost time with the ones he should mean more than the need to make a car payment. You are all under paid all i can do is thank you all for the hard work. But do not be fooled if vinny is the politichian that so many are saying he is then the story will be the same with him think about it. He has no power in the union and he will have too much as Sheriff.

[Bob Olson]

I have read this and other threads with great interest. As many of you know already, I have publicly stated my intentions to run for sheriff as a third party candidate. I am a registered Dem but lets just say that I not exactly well liked by the present Dem leadership.

I am sure most of you know my resume and I am sure that most of you are wondering why an outsider like me would seek the office of sheriff. By the way, I don't really know whether or not I can win. I will tell you this. I am taking this candidacy seriously and I plan to campaign aggressively. I know that I will not be funded or supported like the two major candidates will be. I am also not seeking endorsements and I don't see anyone beating the doors down to get behind me. So why?

1. I decided to get in the race and to help form the Integrity Party based on my experience with Suffolk County politics. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Alfred Tisch sought a cross endorsement. I don't blame Tisch for that. Who wouldn't want a free ride? The problem is that the voters (and you the CO's and Deputies) lose when elected officials don't have to run on their records.

2. As most of you know, I have been very vocal in my support of Martin Tankleff's bid for a retrial. I am very critical of the role Alfred Tisch played in that wrongful conviction of that kid.

3. I believe that the office of sheriff is highly underutilized. I beleive that the sheriff of the second largest law enforcement agency in the counyt should be playing a much larger role.

a. gang enforcement: the CO's are in a unique position to gather intelligence on gangs. There are a lot of agencies but everyone gets lodged in the jail. MS-13 and the other gangs are real. It only makes sense that the sheriff's office should be the lead agency in investigating and combating gangs.

b. illegal immigration: everyone seems afraid of confronting the illegal alien problem. Once one suggests that some common sense should be used, he is called a racist. Call me what you want but I think that if the other police agencies don't want to confront this prolbem, then maybe the sheriffs office should.

1. Criminals are criminals, whether they are illegal aliens or not. Illegal aliens who commit violent crimes should be tried, convicted, sentenced and upon the end of their confinement, deported. Plain and simple. I believe that the Sheriff should work with Homeland Security and immigration officials to have access to data banks to identify dangerous and criminal immigrants.

2. Employers who play by the rules and employ workers "on the books" should not have to unfairly compete with unscrupulous employers who hire illegal aliens "off the books." I fully understand and sympathize with employers who are forced to hire immigrants because others won't take those jobs.

3. I am not advocating mass deportation of non citizens. It would be impossible to achieve and I do beleive in due process. I also understand that many immigrants are here because of so-called "free trade" laws that have victimized them and workers here at home. If I were in many of their shoes, I would be doing exactly what they are doing. I am not "anti-immigrant" but I am opposed to illegal and unscrupulous employer exploitation of cheap labor. I also acknoweldge that the influx of clheap labor has impacted the most vulnerable among us. Competition for unskilled labor, strain on schools systems and medical care, proliferation of illegal rentals are just a few. It is time to stop villifying blue collar working middle class folks who are bearing the brunt of this problem. Ironically, the bleeding hearts who advocate for wide open borders live in huge Hampton's estates and don't pay the school taxes to educate illegal immigrants.

c. Long Island Expressway: As a Trooper for 23 years, I have heard all the talk of the State Police patrolling the LIE, just like you have. It would have made a tremendous amount of sense and would have been been a boon to the taxpayers. I have come to the conclusion that it will never happen. I will be more than happy to explain why I feel that way and will in later posts. I, also, hear the SCPD PBA belly aching about not having sufficient coverage in the sectors. So, maybe it would make a lot of sense to think about redeploying the PD Highway Patrol into the sectors like Huntington where they are needed and give the task of patrolling the LIE to the deputies. County Exec Levy offered to pay the salaries of Troopers to the state but the state refused to send more Troopers to Long Island. Levy felt the county would still save money because the troopers make substantially less than SCPD and with far less beneifits. So, if the county would consider the troopers, then why not the deputies? To say that the deputies couldn't do the job is ridiculous. LIE is a straight and level road. The deputies could easily enforce VTL, run radar, and handle MVAs. The deputies could easily refit the cars with radios capable of communicating with SCPD HQ and sector cars. The deputies are police officers according to PL and CPL and anything the current highway patrol does, the deputies could do. The deputies already perform all the necessary functions of police work, so what is the problem? The winner would be the county taxpayers.

d. I know this is highly emotionally charged subject. I was initially opposed to the jail. Upon listening to some reason by county legislators of both parties, I have modified my stance. I am sensitive to the social justice issues surrounding the jail and also the fiscal concerns. The time of the bottomless funding pit is through. Taxpayers are maxed out and have had enough. I favor the common sense position that Steve Levy has taken of considering alternatives and building the jail in stages. I do not favor building the Taj Mahal of jails. Even with the compromises, the tax payers are going to have the biggest hike in taxes in county history when they can least afford it.

e. Overtime: Now, I am really going to piss you off. I was a union delegate for the SP Investigators and I spent my entire career moaning about the pay disparity between us and the SCPD. Having said that, I also realize that something has to be done to cut down the OT. I agree with Steve Levy when he says that the private sectors (workers and business owners) can't relate to county workers making six figures just in OT. The average Joe is struggling to make ends meet and doesn't have the job security, pension plan, medical benefits and OT opportunities that a lot of us on Irish Welfare have. Maybe this is not what you want to hear but it needs to be said and addressed. The public has had enough.

I have tried to outline my platform as best as I could. I will continue to take and explain ideas that I have to improve the performance and enhance the image of the Suffolk County Sheriffs Office.

[Keyman]

Thank you Mr. Olsen for your lengthy campaign letter. Now if you'll indulge me, I'll explain why you have no chance of winning.

First of all, stop citing Tankleff's plight as a motivation for running. He is a convicted murderer and you're wasting your time in trying to get him off the hook. He did it. Get used to it.

Your views on departmental overtime are so naive as to border on complete ignorance. It's typical of someone who has no clue as to what we do. Newsday cited a FEW examples of senior guys who worked an insane amount of overtime hours to make big money. What were there, 3 or 4 C/O's on there and some Deps? What are there right now, 700+ Officers? The average C/O in a one income household needs to supplement his salary with o/t in order to make ends meet on Long Island. These overtime positions have to be filled in order to operate the facilities safely and efficiently. Why don't you spend 16 hours in a filthy building with societies worst and see if it's worth it. Irish welfare? I don't think so. Every dime is earned working in those dumps and to suggest otherwise is an insult.

Before you go on with the obligatory 'we need alternatives for a new jail' drivel, why don't you tour the buildings and see for yourself. Spend some time in those housing areas, control stations, et al, and make a judgement at that time. Consider yourself lucky if you get out of there without contracting a respiratory ailment.

I'll leave the highway rhetoric to the PD and Deputy agencies to reply. I'll say one thing on the gang problem. The Sheriff's Office does have a gang unit that handles gang related activity. I don't know alot about them other than they exist and are staffed by Correctional personnel.

Immigration? The jails are filled with illegals. Very nice people, too- sex offenders, gang bangers, pedophiles, drug dealers, I'm telling you, raking leaves is not the only activity these people are good at. What can the Sheriff do? Nothing. Except provide them with plenty of bologna sandwiches and TP. So leave the immigration issue to those that can control it and maybe concern yourself with the issues of running a Correctional facility(s) and a law enforcement division.

So thanks, but no thanks. We don't want another hack with an agenda. We need a practical administrator who treats both divisions fairly with an eye on making a tough job better. Maybe like a former Bagel franchise administrator.....nah.

[SCSO Employee]

You said;

Overtime: Now, I am really going to piss you off. I was a union delegate for the SP Investigators and I spent my entire career moaning about the pay disparity between us and the SCPD. Having said that, I also realize that something has to be done to cut down the OT. I agree with Steve Levy when he says that the private sectors (workers and business owners) can't relate to county workers making six figures just in OT. The average Joe is struggling to make ends meet and doesn't have the job security, pension plan, medical benefits and OT opportunities that a lot of us on Irish Welfare have. Maybe this is not what you want to hear but it needs to be said and addressed. The public has had enough.

As an employee for the Sheriff's Office for almost twenty years, I have been "FORCED" to work overtime more times than I care to count. Many men and women who work here do not like to work any ot at all, and some will work some overtime, while there are others who will work every available ot shift that comes their way. I myself have been forced to work on Christmas, New Years Day, Easter, July 04, you get the idea. So when you point at Mr or Mrs average Joe - don't bother. They don't work holidays, split shifts, rotating shifts, etc. Lets face it, my brothers, sisters, brothers in law, etc. all are "average Joe" types. They work hard to try to make it here in a very competative and expensive place to live. BUT, NONE OF THEM WANT TO DO MY JOB! They constantly ask me how I deal with criminals all day every day, with the dangers, the crappy work hours, the piss poor work conditions, etc. The answer is - I have a secure job, decent benefits and a position that allows me to live in this place, raise my children, and provide a better life for those children. When it comes to comparing salaries etc. most are shocked at the amount of ot that CAN be made, if you are willing to sell your sole to the Department. These amounts are exposayed in Newsday during the second week of February every single year. The thing that is never said in that article or anywhere else is that every man and women making those ot dollars is at there workplace and on the clock when the money is made. THEY EARN THEIR MONEY BY BEING THERE ! So stop whining about fifteen people Department wide on both sides of the job who have sold themselves to the job for some unknown reason and make all that money. You want the job - earn it, stop with your dopey political talking points in an attempt to garner attention. You want our attention, talk about how you will make the facilities and our jobs safer, talk about how you will stop jail overcrowding, tell us what you will do to help each employee gain a better quality of life, and discuss how you can help keep these damn kids from becoming criminals in the first place! Until you have real answers for us, just go away - we don't need another of the same in that office - we need a true leader who can make a difference for everyone. Taxpayers, employees, and the people who end up within the system.

ENOUGH OF THE POLITICOS !

[counts good]

I read your letter but were do we find a guy to run for this job who aint in somebodies pockets already? I am scso employee, I work here, I do my job and I go home. I get frustarted to but why bother, these guys have it all. Ive seen lots of these hacks come and go, Stevie L. for Doolley, Eddie M. for pat, now its warden skunkie and chief napoleen for big Al. This stuff will never change. These guys have little armies lines up with thier tonges out ready to lick the arse of anybody they tell them too lick. Most of the guys who work here just want some piece and quiet, they want a boss who gives a damm about there well being. I honesty dont think you can find a guy to come in here and just do what is right, if they are to powerfull then they owe somebody, if they dont have none of there power then they cant do didily for us anyway. I just hope we can get a decent contract and that all this will pass so I can retire in a couple of years.

[Roby Olsen]

Read his posts...maybe he is ...

I have been on working at the NYSE for 22 years never heard of Vinny Demarco. He made millions on wall street why did he become a Deputy Sheriff. He is the president of the union a man who does not need money wrong guy for the job. I know that the Deputy Sheriff's backed Levy and Demarco put the feather in his hat. All you'r hard work for what bad contracts no credit. Newsday was allowed to put a bad spin on the few Deputy Sheriff's and Correction Officers who worked hard and lost time with the ones he should mean more than the need to make a car payment. You are all under paid all i can do is thank you all for the hard work. But do not be fooled if vinny is the politichian that so many are saying he is then the story will be the same with him think about it. He has no power in the union and he will have too much as Sheriff.

So you know everybody on the street who made millions? You write as if you are a janitor. Tell me why a man who doesn't need money is the wrong guy for the job? You only like guys that are beholden to others? DeMarco in fact produced the best dollar amount contracts Deps ever got and in a very timely fashion. He did that with the Gaffney Administration who at one time had been out to kill Deputies. Not bad work.
Later in your drunken ramble you write as if you work for "vinny." So while you are dealing with inmates in whatever function today think about what you wrote.

[Ex C/O]

DeMarco definately seems to know his job. From what I can gather the rank and file (deps) like him and appreciate his abilities to get things done. I believe that the C/Os would have no problem backing Vinny if he was willing to treat everyone fair and square. No more of this Deputy against C/O usless stuff. It would also require the C/O union to work with DeMarco and not just jump the gun and work against him .

As long as DeMarco is willing to do the right thing, treat both divisions as equals and move the department forward in a positive direction than he cetainly has my support.

[Crazy 1]

I am a Deputy Sergeant, I like most facets of my job, I don't want to be a Suffolk Cop, I don't want to be a C/O, I like MY job. I have been around for over 16 years, I've worked the station 15 and 16 booths, I know a lot of C/O's from both facilities. When I worked the booth years ago at Yaphank I would take off my gear and eat my lunch in the C/O's cafeteria with many C/O's that I still call friends. I played deck hockey and basketball with the C/O's in the Farm Gym, and I played poker at C/O's houses on Friday nights - in short these are good guys and many are my friends. I don't know why I have to endure posts from idiots on both jobs that cant see the forest for the trees. Grow up guys - this is a public forum, everyone sees it. Part of being professional and having some pride in your job includes taking the high road and not participating in this constant bickering. This is what the administration wants - they want to see both sides of this Department at odds with each other. It is to their advantage that we have this rift between us, it is to everyones advantage but ours. I really think there are guys out there who just want to get along and do their own jobs. As a group it seems every administration re - defines what our jobs are, and this one is no exception. I've lived through Dooley with his axe carrying henchman, (Layton), who kicked the Deputy side any chance he got. Where are they now? Dooley is in and out of jails since then, and his "AID" was afraid to work the tiers so he quit - Layton.
Then we had Mahoney and Morris - they beat the living crap out of the Corrections side of the job every chance they got. All in response to a pissing contest between Canatella and Morris. Then came the trials and indictments and the deals etc. so where are they now? Mahoney hasn't been heard from since, Morris took pleas and is retired in obscurity. Now we have Tisch, he reacts to an article in Newsday where the Demarco made comments about him by giving the C/O's 1 DC, he takes away the overnight trips from Deputies and gives it to THE STATE C/O's, (not Suffolk C/O's), then he continues with illegal contract busting and union busting ploys. Guess what, I'll be here when he's gone too! This is my career, this isn't just some stopover on a long line of political jobs. This is it for me, and frankly I'm not going to sit back and let him rip apart the Sheriff's Department any more. I can understand if C/O's are happy with getting 1 DC, I really do, but at what cost to your own dignity did you get those twenty some odd jobs? How long will both sides sit back and take this back and forth crap until we stand together and throw the POLITICIANS out of OUR JOBS. I am supporting Vin Demarco, he has always been a decent and trustworthy person. He tells me he wants a better job for both C/O's and Deps and I firmly believe that he is sincere. I understand that a lot of C/O's will be aprehensive about supporting him, but the alternative is to sit back and let the current administration run OUR jobs into the dirt. Lets face it, next year they might be pissed off at the C/O's then what?

Sorry this post was so long but I have sat back and read all this crap for quite a while without responding.

[anotherfriend]

You boys are being played by the ultimate (and oldest) ploy...Divide and Conquer....Together u stand, divide u fall...

[BingBing]

Hey crazy 1- I agree. Now can we clean out the gym of inmates and get back to playing hockey?

Sation 15er

[Farm C/O]

I know who Crazy 1 is, I think. If it's a Sgt from County Court I know him. He is a good guy, crazy like a fox too. His post is the best one I have seen on this site - ever. The guy spoke it plain and simple, he hit the nail on the head and I admire his honesty. He is right about layton, he was right about Mahoney - Morris, he was right about Tisch, and he is right about Demarco too! I'm not going out carrying signs for Demarco, I might go to a fundraiser or two though. Something has to change and I'm going to take a chance on this guy.

[Hockey Player - Partna]

Nice post F , I know you are sinsere with the post and with your beliefs that Demarco will do good for all of us, I can only hope you are right bud. If yous are wrong then we C/O's could be in for a ride. You told it like it is and I respect that to the max. Any way you slice it - good post, hang in there.

[laughs2day]

I had a great laugh at work today. Once again Tisch has shown how he and his administration suffer from having no law enforcement experience. What gave me the great laugh was the recent memo Tisch sent out about how he had to cancel this year’s awards ceremony.
In the memo Tisch cries and whines how he tried to raise the moral in this department, how the first year the ceremony was well attended and how last year no one attended. He went on to try and blame on the low turn out and non-existent moral on all kinds of factors. This fool and his fellow morons just don’t get it.
MESSAGE TO TISCH: The only factor that has caused moral to reach an all time low and bottom out in this department is YOU! You have no clue what you are doing. Neither you, nor anyone in your administration was ever a LEO. Yeah Sullivan likes to go around telling people how everyone in his family was a city cop. MESSAGE TO SULLIVAN: If your family ever knew how you treated your men they would never talk to you again.
TIsch takes orders from his wife, who gets her information from Murphy’s wife. MESSAGE TO TISCH: The guys hate the way Murphy treats them.
Since Tisch and his handpicked crew have no idea how to run the department they have to allow Murphy and Kneitel run it. MESSAGE TO TISCH: All of Kneitel’s men hate him. Not even sure if it is safe for him to stand in front of them at the Memorial Service.
Since Demarco challenged Tisch’s management in Newsday Tisch has attacked Deputies. According to Al Otto Tisch did this because his wife was upset about Demarco’s comment. MESSAGE TO TISCH: Get your pants back from your wife.
Last night Tisch sent two more of his lackey Investigators to the Deputy PBA meeting carrying his water. LeGrand is lucky no one tossed him from a window. MESSAGE TO TISCH: Stop sending guys like Stark, Kline and LeGrand to meetings as your piss boys. No one respects them, no one trusts them. If your wife allows you to have your pants back have her ask Murphy’s wife if she thinks you should carry your own water.

[Pants on backwards]

Good post - well thought out and accurate.

Maybe we can start a little divide and conquer of our own here boys. Denzler has a roving eye, Sullivan is a lush, Tisch has his b@lls in his wife's purse, Kneitel, Starke, Dellarocca, Cline, Welge, and the rest are spies.

Here's what we can do.

Tell the spies there is another plum suck up job in the wings but only one of them can have it, tell each not to tell the others. This will set them all in motion to manuever for that spot. Thus fighting each other all the way.

Tell Denzler that Murphy's wife is hot for him and Murphy isn't stepping up to the plate. Good fireworks from that one.

Tell Sullivan . . . oh forget it, whatever you tell Sullivan will be forgotten with the next bar binge.

Tell Tisch where his pants are, help him to put them on the right way, and maybe he will do the right thing and leave before the election.

[dsi]

“And the rest”………..Who are the rest?.........don’t brush stroke everyone my fellow Deputy

[justacitizen]

I have been following these threads about the jail, the deps, the co's etc, for several months. What continually amazes me is the complete and total arrogance of those of you who post here who apparently work at the jail.

You speak in your comments as if the jail were your personal domain and the elected office of Sheriff yours to award or critique simply because you are employed there. There is little or no thought expressed that you are ALL public servants paid by taxpayer dollars. What is even more ridiculous is that the 2000 +/- of you who work for the Sheriff, seem to think that you alone will determine who gets elected to that office - - not the hundreds of thousands of OTHER voters in Suffolk County!!!

Whether you realize it or not, you all - - co's, deps, bosses and a*zkissers alike - - ALL of you come across like a buch of spoiled idiots rather than anything remotely resembling a professional who should be given any creedance whatsover.

If you can manage, maybe you can talk about something related to the dept., (oops office - - yeah I read all the stupid comments) which the people who pay your salaries and who will, in fact, elect your next boss, can use to make a rational determination come election time. Oh, I'm sorry what was I thinking - - you guys think about anybody but yourselves - - preposterous!!!

[another ds]

like the other guy said.........Don't paint us all alike.........the vast majority of us want to work and go home safe. Most of the idiotic posts here are by a few azzholes who, by ther vast 2 or 3 years on this job, think they know everything that goes on

like the other guy said.........Don't paint us all alike.........the vast majority of us want to work and go home safe. Most of the idiotic posts here are by a few azzholes who, by ther vast 2 or 3 years on this job, think they know everything that goes on

Sgt Fred learn english grammer before you post again.

I have been following these threads about the jail, the deps, the co's etc, for several months. What continually amazes me is the complete and total arrogance of those of you who post here who apparently work at the jail.

You speak in your comments as if the jail were your personal domain and the elected office of Sheriff yours to award or critique simply because you are employed there. There is little or no thought expressed that you are ALL public servants paid by taxpayer dollars. What is even more ridiculous is that the 2000 +/- of you who work for the Sheriff, seem to think that you alone will determine who gets elected to that office - - not the hundreds of thousands of OTHER voters in Suffolk County!!!

Whether you realize it or not, you all - - co's, deps, bosses and a*zkissers alike - - ALL of you come across like a buch of spoiled idiots rather than anything remotely resembling a professional who should be given any creedance whatsover.

If you can manage, maybe you can talk about something related to the dept., (oops office - - yeah I read all the stupid comments) which the people who pay your salaries and who will, in fact, elect your next boss, can use to make a rational determination come election time. Oh, I'm sorry what was I thinking - - you guys think about anybody but yourselves - - preposterous!!!

OK Mr. or Mrs. Taxpayer, it goes like this:

There is alot of wasted tax dollars being spent at the Sheriff's whatever. There are currently alot of decisions made by the powers that be, that cost you and I lots of money. There are many unnecessary positions, county cars, overtime, equipment expense, misappropriations of funds, abuse of workmans' comp., etc. etc. etc. That SHOULD concern you. Also, you should be concerned about the safety of Suffolk County and how do we keep these criminals from returning to the streets and to your neighborhood? I don't know the answer, but low bails and no punishment for minor crimes is not the answer; Nor is the status quo of how this county and many aspects of the criminal justice system function. It's time for a change, as the criminals are younger, smarter, stronger and fearless. Gangs are everywhere-Yes-everywhere: Malls, Movies, Schools,etc. WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO KEEP "BUSINESS AS USUAL" IN SUFFOLK COUNTY, NOR SHOULD WE. The Old Guard just doesn't cut it anymore and the practice of ruling with an iron fist only breeds more contempt (as you have observed by reading the anger-ridden rants of the Sheriff's whatever Officers) Turmoil is contageous.

[In the know 22]

First things first I have seen no posting indicating that he is in deed an investigator.

Second my sources say that he is working along side other SCPD PO's at this time.

However I was very surprised that he took the job for many reasons. I worked with the guy on many occasions. He seemed like the kind of guy that would give the shirt off his back. I think he has applied to enter law school instead of finishing up with his Masters Degree. And he planed on reenlisting into the Army he received few calls from his recruiter while we were working together. So why would a guy who could be so busy take on this assignment he should have said NO. As for being a stand up guy maybe I was wrong.

And about the language thing that had nothing to do with it. I happen to know that beside spanglish he speaks another language that he has not disclosed.


This guy is dumb and I Will explain why.

He on numerous occasions stuck up for other deputies;

One a loud mouth who practically gets him self fired when he opens it;

And another pot stirrer who infuriates even the calmest of people with his idiotic statements who I latter found out notified the union.

This guy cant see through these people what quality's does he have making him investigator material. He can not even pick good friends.

Major complaint is he never went through the Suffolk police academy.

The only reason I will be happy is that he wont be around to suck up all that OT.

Ya he is hooked but his hook will retire shortly before I do and I will love to see this guy fall on his face.

He should have said NO if he was so good he would be asked again.

[Educator me]

Taylor law provisions? What does that have to do with assigning his staff to positions they are qualified for? Hmmm, the greed is clouding your head.

Ok, I'm not talking about C/O's pulling over at car accidents and waiting for SCPD like you guys, but rather those menial jobs that you are burdened with. You know the ones, lets not reiterate. Like I said, if he wants to place me in, let's say, District court tommorrow, it can be done. Just the same as if he says, "take that inmate with his exposed jugular to the hospital instead of waiting for the duty office to track down a Deputy ride for him".

I'm starting to see a pattern here. It's become obvious that our embattled former Sheriff Mahoney spoiled some of you guys, why else would you cry so much about Tisch? Look, he hasn't taken anything away from you guys, plus you got your impressive vessel out east to fight that escalating maritime crime, so stop your little tantrums. Besides, what's wrong with giving Corrections 1 lousy K9 detail? Talk about greed....and you guys wanted Highway and Parks?.....jeez, I can cut the hypocrisy with a knife.

If anything, we have much more a reason to gripe; stripped away seniority, promotional zone scoring, non-meritorious appointments, the list goes on and on. But griping gets us nowhere, and besides, as we all know, who cares about us guards anyway? Don't worry about us helping Tisch get relected. I can assure you that you guys can man those phone banks and hand out pamphlets at train stations again all by yourselves this time.

So again I say, grab some kleenex, wipe that snot off your upper lip, dab those tears, and lets move forward in Peace and harmony.....but, as I suspect will happen, those negative replies will follow....oh well.

Yours truly, The red-headed step child of the Sheriff's Office (at least when Mahoney was in office)

[Dude 007]

You want dirty laundry? How come we have jail guards getting paid overtime to work out on their meal period and then they have inmates make them breakfast, lunch and dinner? How come we have jail guards mowing lawns and fixing cars? How come every CO Lieutenant and above gets a county car to drive to and from work? Why is the taxpayer purchasing guns for COs when they have no need for them? How come we have jail guards driving all over the county to deliver bread and lunch to other guards?

You want to compare a dep having her phone stolen to a Jail Guard who handcuffed an inmate to a pipe and gave him blow jobs? You want to talk about an Undersheriff who was sleeping with a married CO? You want to talk about a CO who was arrested for dealing major amounts of drugs? You want to talk about the CO who was cheating on her husband took off with a guy from Sports Plus, leaving him there and had a three day manhunt for her? Want to talk about the CO who was shot dead in a bar in Mastic after he pulled a gun on a cop? The elevator yep DPW threw the guy in to the door? Do you want to talk about the CO who dressed up as a Deputy and was pulling cars over in Yaphank? Do you want to talk about the female CO who was arrested in NYC doing armed robberies with her boyfriend? Want to talk about the golf course you guards did 50K in damage to or the tour bus company that will no longer do any work for the Sheriff because of you COs? Want to talk about the CO caught shoplifting womens underwear in the Riverhead Target, in uniform? Want to talk about the gay CO caught in uniform in the Southampton Park and ride? Want to talk about the CO tipping off Pelosi?

I have many more, those are just came to mind. Next time you are longingly look through the bars out the window at the Dep exercising his K9 partner wishing you more then you are stop and count your blessings that a moron like you has a job in the first place. Even if it is only being a jail guard.

[Mrs. Olsen]

I have read this and other threads with great interest. As many of you know already, I have publicly stated my intentions to run for sheriff as a third party candidate. I am a registered Dem but lets just say that I not exactly well liked by the present Dem leadership.

I am sure most of you know my resume and I am sure that most of you are wondering why an outsider like me would seek the office of sheriff. By the way, I don't really know whether or not I can win. I will tell you this. I am taking this candidacy seriously and I plan to campaign aggressively. I know that I will not be funded or supported like the two major candidates will be. I am also not seeking endorsements and I don't see anyone beating the doors down to get behind me. So why?

1. I decided to get in the race and to help form the Integrity Party based on my experience with Suffolk County politics. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Alfred Tisch sought a cross endorsement. I don't blame Tisch for that. Who wouldn't want a free ride? The problem is that the voters (and you the CO's and Deputies) lose when elected officials don't have to run on their records.

2. As most of you know, I have been very vocal in my support of Martin Tankleff's bid for a retrial. I am very critical of the role Alfred Tisch played in that wrongful conviction of that kid.

3. I believe that the office of sheriff is highly underutilized. I beleive that the sheriff of the second largest law enforcement agency in the counyt should be playing a much larger role.

a. gang enforcement: the CO's are in a unique position to gather intelligence on gangs. There are a lot of agencies but everyone gets lodged in the jail. MS-13 and the other gangs are real. It only makes sense that the sheriff's office should be the lead agency in investigating and combating gangs.

b. illegal immigration: everyone seems afraid of confronting the illegal alien problem. Once one suggests that some common sense should be used, he is called a racist. Call me what you want but I think that if the other police agencies don't want to confront this prolbem, then maybe the sheriffs office should.

1. Criminals are criminals, whether they are illegal aliens or not. Illegal aliens who commit violent crimes should be tried, convicted, sentenced and upon the end of their confinement, deported. Plain and simple. I believe that the Sheriff should work with Homeland Security and immigration officials to have access to data banks to identify dangerous and criminal immigrants.

2. Employers who play by the rules and employ workers "on the books" should not have to unfairly compete with unscrupulous employers who hire illegal aliens "off the books." I fully understand and sympathize with employers who are forced to hire immigrants because others won't take those jobs.

3. I am not advocating mass deportation of non citizens. It would be impossible to achieve and I do beleive in due process. I also understand that many immigrants are here because of so-called "free trade" laws that have victimized them and workers here at home. If I were in many of their shoes, I would be doing exactly what they are doing. I am not "anti-immigrant" but I am opposed to illegal and unscrupulous employer exploitation of cheap labor. I also acknoweldge that the influx of clheap labor has impacted the most vulnerable among us. Competition for unskilled labor, strain on schools systems and medical care, proliferation of illegal rentals are just a few. It is time to stop villifying blue collar working middle class folks who are bearing the brunt of this problem. Ironically, the bleeding hearts who advocate for wide open borders live in huge Hampton's estates and don't pay the school taxes to educate illegal immigrants.

c. Long Island Expressway: As a Trooper for 23 years, I have heard all the talk of the State Police patrolling the LIE, just like you have. It would have made a tremendous amount of sense and would have been been a boon to the taxpayers. I have come to the conclusion that it will never happen. I will be more than happy to explain why I feel that way and will in later posts. I, also, hear the SCPD PBA belly aching about not having sufficient coverage in the sectors. So, maybe it would make a lot of sense to think about redeploying the PD Highway Patrol into the sectors like Huntington where they are needed and give the task of patrolling the LIE to the deputies. County Exec Levy offered to pay the salaries of Troopers to the state but the state refused to send more Troopers to Long Island. Levy felt the county would still save money because the troopers make substantially less than SCPD and with far less beneifits. So, if the county would consider the troopers, then why not the deputies? To say that the deputies couldn't do the job is ridiculous. LIE is a straight and level road. The deputies could easily enforce VTL, run radar, and handle MVAs. The deputies could easily refit the cars with radios capable of communicating with SCPD HQ and sector cars. The deputies are police officers according to PL and CPL and anything the current highway patrol does, the deputies could do. The deputies already perform all the necessary functions of police work, so what is the problem? The winner would be the county taxpayers.

d. I know this is highly emotionally charged subject. I was initially opposed to the jail. Upon listening to some reason by county legislators of both parties, I have modified my stance. I am sensitive to the social justice issues surrounding the jail and also the fiscal concerns. The time of the bottomless funding pit is through. Taxpayers are maxed out and have had enough. I favor the common sense position that Steve Levy has taken of considering alternatives and building the jail in stages. I do not favor building the Taj Mahal of jails. Even with the compromises, the tax payers are going to have the biggest hike in taxes in county history when they can least afford it.

e. Overtime: Now, I am really going to piss you off. I was a union delegate for the SP Investigators and I spent my entire career moaning about the pay disparity between us and the SCPD. Having said that, I also realize that something has to be done to cut down the OT. I agree with Steve Levy when he says that the private sectors (workers and business owners) can't relate to county workers making six figures just in OT. The average Joe is struggling to make ends meet and doesn't have the job security, pension plan, medical benefits and OT opportunities that a lot of us on Irish Welfare have. Maybe this is not what you want to hear but it needs to be said and addressed. The public has had enough.

I have tried to outline my platform as best as I could. I will continue to take and explain ideas that I have to improve the performance and enhance the image of the Suffolk County Sheriffs Office.

[S C S O EMPLOYEE 123]

Overtime: Now, I am really going to piss you off. I was a union delegate for the SP Investigators and I spent my entire career moaning about the pay disparity between us and the SCPD. Having said that, I also realize that something has to be done to cut down the OT. I agree with Steve Levy when he says that the private sectors (workers and business owners) can't relate to county workers making six figures just in OT. The average Joe is struggling to make ends meet and doesn't have the job security, pension plan, medical benefits and OT opportunities that a lot of us on Irish Welfare have. Maybe this is not what you want to hear but it needs to be said and addressed. The public has had enough.

As an employee for the Sheriff's Office for almost twenty years, I have been "FORCED" to work overtime more times than I care to count. Many men and women who work here do not like to work any ot at all, and some will work some overtime, while there are others who will work every available ot shift that comes their way. I myself have been forced to work on Christmas, New Years Day, Easter, July 04, you get the idea. So when you point at Mr or Mrs average Joe - don't bother. They don't work holidays, split shifts, rotating shifts, etc. Lets face it, my brothers, sisters, brothers in law, etc. all are "average Joe" types. They work hard to try to make it here in a very competative and expensive place to live. BUT, NONE OF THEM WANT TO DO MY JOB! They constantly ask me how I deal with criminals all day every day, with the dangers, the crappy work hours, the piss poor work conditions, etc. The answer is - I have a secure job, decent benefits and a position that allows me to live in this place, raise my children, and provide a better life for those children. When it comes to comparing salaries etc. most are shocked at the amount of ot that CAN be made, if you are willing to sell your sole to the Department. These amounts are exposayed in Newsday during the second week of February every single year. The thing that is never said in that article or anywhere else is that every man and women making those ot dollars is at there workplace and on the clock when the money is made. THEY EARN THEIR MONEY BY BEING THERE ! So stop whining about fifteen people Department wide on both sides of the job who have sold themselves to the job for some unknown reason and make all that money. You want the job - earn it, stop with your dopey political talking points in an attempt to garner attention. You want our attention, talk about how you will make the facilities and our jobs safer, talk about how you will stop jail overcrowding, tell us what you will do to help each employee gain a better quality of life, and discuss how you can help keep these damn kids from becoming criminals in the first place! Until you have real answers for us, just go away - we don't need another of the same in that office - we need a true leader who can make a difference for everyone. Taxpayers, employees, and the people who end up within the system.

ENOUGH OF THE POLITICOS !

[Ipayyoursalary]

Do us all a favor and dont try to convince the taxpayers of Suffolk that you lazy bags of usless, cabdriving cop posing wannabes are an essential service. You could be replaced in a second. You Transport inmates to doctors appointments and to court. police! I dont thing so!
I have yet to meet a REAL police officer that dosent think you are a joke..... and lets get something straight.... You are not on the job... You have a job.

[Guest889]

lets do the math. how many hours deputies spend doing non police related duties (ie transportation,county court, doctors offices, hospitals, duty office, guard booth (yap. and riv), civil office, etc. Vs. hours spent doing police related duties (ie answering 911 calls, reponding to accidents, voilent domestics,medical assistance, gun calls) and the list goes on. When was the last time a citizen dialed 911 and a deputy responded. I think the sheriffs dept. uses the title POLICE OFFICER alittle to loosely.

[ChunksofTerrazzo]

Hey Ipayyoursalary- toss around all the insults you want- we could care less. We're laughing all the way to the bank, sucka.

Ps- while I'm playing golf all day at age 50, what crappy job will you be doing?.......loser.

lets do the math. how many hours deputies spend doing non police related duties (ie transportation,county court, doctors offices, hospitals, duty office, guard booth (yap. and riv), civil office, etc. Vs. hours spent doing police related duties (ie answering 911 calls, reponding to accidents, voilent domestics,medical assistance, gun calls) and the list goes on. When was the last time a citizen dialed 911 and a deputy responded. I think the sheriffs dept. uses the title POLICE OFFICER alittle to loosely.
What about traffic stops and v/t work? Any traffic stop can turn into a shootout.

[hey olsen]

First, nobody really cares about tankleff. Second, deputies cars already have the abillity to speak with scpd hq along with just about every other pd in the county.

[GROWN UP]

You guys are truly PATHETIC. Instead of CO's and Deputies, you should be called Cowboys and Indians or the Sharks and the Jets. Do any of you realize how absolutely ricuculous and pathetic you sound. Its embarassing to witness allegedly grown men(or women) carrying on like little spoiled brats AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SOUND LIKE..............REALLY PATHETIC..GROW UP!

[SPUNKY]

I HAVE BEEN A CO FOR MANY YEARS AND DON'T PROCLAIM TO BE ANYTHING ELSE.

PEOPLE ASK IF I'M A SHERIFF (THEY DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER) AND I SAY NO, I'M A CORRECTIONS OFFICER

PEOPLE ASK IF I'M A COP AND I SAY NO I'M A CORRECTIONS OFFICER

PEOPLE ASK IF I ARREST PEOPLE OR PULL OVER CARS AAND I SAY NO I'M A CORRECTIONS OFFICER.

I DON'T FLASH BADGES OR CARRY A GUN, BECAUSE THERE'S NO REASON TO.

I DON'T TELL WAR STORIES OR PUT DOWN THE DEPUTIES. MOST OF THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE, TOO.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY BEING A CORRECTIONS OFFICER OR A DEPUTY SHERIFF, THEN GO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

STOP DISGRACING THE JOB; THE IMPORTANT AND NECESSARY JOB THAT WE DO.

STOP LYING TO OTHERS ABOUT "WHAT YOU ARE", AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, STOP LYING TO YOUSELF.

I'VE MADE A GOOD LIVING AS A CORRECTIONS OFFICER AND HAVE NO PROBLEM TELLING PEOPLE THAT I AM ONE.

IN OTHER WORDS, GUYS, CALM DOWN AND "GET OVER YOURSELF"
:( :lol: :( :lol: :( :lol: :( :lol: :?:

[Skid wanna bee]

CO and deputy unions should merge like back in the day all small problems would go away

[6% 2]

6% so say the arbitritor

[cheating]

WHEN DO I GET MY RETRO CHECK

[THERE'S NO CONTRACT]

someone is trying to stir the pot by putting up these LIES about a D/S contract. ITS PROBABLY THE ADMIN.

[user4534]

lots of in fighting this place is a soap opera

[WET EARS]

OH YA

[out sick again 34343]

still no pay ???

[TISCHY BYE - BYE]

If you dont know Vin Demarco then you shouldn't assume anything, especially where he stands on different issues etc. I know the guy since he came on the job. The fact that he became Union President so early in his career indicates the amount of trust the people who work with him have for him. I understand that Corrections Officers will be hesitant to support him, and I don't blame you. BUT - do you really think the current guy is such a rosy path for you to follow? You must certainly know he is a vindictive punk by now. With what he has done recently I'm sure a lot of CO's are eager to support him. But think about this, we - (the Deps), supported him last election. In less than three years the polish wore off his act and we realized what he was all about - HIM
This guy isnt doing what is good for our Department, or any of us he's doing what is good for him and his band of fools. What will it take for him to get pissed off and throw you guys to the wolves? I dont know but I'm confident that if he regains his position in january that you will most certainly find out. Better yet when he gets pissed off at you guys - what will you lose? Again I dont know, but I can think of quite a few things he could do to butcher you next.

eat s h i t

[podman]

TISCH -

I wonder if the old fart would even know it if he lost the Sheriff race? The impotent old geazer would probably still call Sullivan the first Monday of the new year and ask if they needed him to come to work for anything. That conversation would be excellent to overhear.

Tisch: "hey sully, its me Al, do you guys mind if I dont come in today? The old lady wants me to fold the laundry".

Sullivan: "Al, we lost the Sheriff's race in November".

Tisch: "ok, so o o o you guys wont need me today"?

Sullivan: " Al, your not the Sheriff anymore - remember".

Tisch: "ok, sully, I'm gonna stay home for a day or so and fold the laundry and stuff".

Sullivan: "yeah, ok Al - you fold the laundry".

Tisch: "Oh thanks Sully, your a real pal, bye now".


ring - ring - ring

Denzler: "hello"?

Tisch: "hey walt, I'm not coming to work today, I talked to sully - he said it was ok".

CO's Wife in backround: "Who's on the phone"?

Denzler: "sh-sh-sh-sh-sh".

Tisch: "hey walt - who was that"?

Denzler: "nobody, Al you know we lost the election right, we told you eleven times"?

Tisch: "what? The phone is breaking up what".

Denzler: "we lost al, WE LOST CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW"?

Denzler: "ok al you stay home for awhile ok, I'll call you when you have to come back to work, bye".

Tisch: "hey walt your breaking up a bit, I'll call you back on the home phone bye".

ring - ring - ring

Denzlers wife: "hello"

Tisch: "hey its al how are you", "can I talk to walter"?

Denzlers Wife: "He's not at home al, he told me he would be working all night and couldn't be disturbed". "you guys are always so dedicated, especially now that you won the re - election".

Tisch: "yeah I know", alright I'll call back when he's home from work later", "bye".

Denzlers wife: "bye".

Tisch to himself - I thought I just talked to him . . .

[co saying no to demarco]

TISCH -

I wonder if the old fart would even know it if he lost the Sheriff race? The impotent old geazer would probably still call Sullivan the first Monday of the new year and ask if they needed him to come to work for anything. That conversation would be excellent to overhear.

Tisch: "hey sully, its me Al, do you guys mind if I dont come in today? The old lady wants me to fold the laundry".

Sullivan: "Al, we lost the Sheriff's race in November".

Tisch: "ok, so o o o you guys wont need me today"?

Sullivan: " Al, your not the Sheriff anymore - remember".

Tisch: "ok, sully, I'm gonna stay home for a day or so and fold the laundry and stuff".

Sullivan: "yeah, ok Al - you fold the laundry".

Tisch: "Oh thanks Sully, your a real pal, bye now".


ring - ring - ring

Denzler: "hello"?

Tisch: "hey walt, I'm not coming to work today, I talked to sully - he said it was ok".

CO's Wife in backround: "Who's on the phone"?

Denzler: "sh-sh-sh-sh-sh".

Tisch: "hey walt - who was that"?

Denzler: "nobody, Al you know we lost the election right, we told you eleven times"?

Tisch: "what? The phone is breaking up what".

Denzler: "we lost al, WE LOST CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW"?

Denzler: "ok al you stay home for awhile ok, I'll call you when you have to come back to work, bye".

Tisch: "hey walt your breaking up a bit, I'll call you back on the home phone bye".

ring - ring - ring

Denzlers wife: "hello"

Tisch: "hey its al how are you", "can I talk to walter"?

Denzlers Wife: "He's not at home al, he told me he would be working all night and couldn't be disturbed". "you guys are always so dedicated, especially now that you won the re - election".

Tisch: "yeah I know", alright I'll call back when he's home from work later", "bye".

Denzlers wife: "bye".

Tisch to himself - I thought I just talked to him . . .Lame sh i t like this is just another reason why the cos are not going to vote demarco suck a fart

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