Sheriff on the war path

[Question]

People really don’t realize just how complex the job of Sheriff actually is. In New York State, a sheriff’s responsibility touches virtually every aspect of the criminal justice system.

One of the more difficult tasks of the Sheriff is the operation of the county jail. Still a surprise to some people is the fact that we must house anyone the court commits to our jail from vagrants to murderers.

The sheriff also is charges under law as “conservator of the peace”, providing law enforcement services in various degrees from prevention programs and community policing to direct enforcement and patrol across the state.

In most of the state’s counties, the sheriff’s office serves as the primary dispatcher of emergency services. In today’s era of technology that alone is a challenging responsibility.

Perhaps the lesser-known responsibility of the sheriff is his role as the law enforcement arm and the process server for the courts. Civil process, such as evictions, executions and order of property seizure sent to the sheriff by the courts and lawyers are very complex and must be performed exactly.

As you can see, a sheriff in New York State must have professional expertise in several key areas. Without such professional knowledge, a sheriff will be removed by the people at election time, which is totally unlike any other law enforcement administrator.

Does the Suffolk County Sheriff fight crime in Suffolk. I do not see his Deputies doing enough. I think he should use the power given to him By the people when he was elected in to Office of The Sheriff. Fighting crime is the business and the Sheriff is the CEO we the shareholders. Stock is down. Its not the County Executives Job to dictate how to fight crime. He should be busy with other things.

So once a year the Deputy Sheriff's write Parking tickets Marry Christmas Suffolk County.

[1203b2]

its a 300 $ hit hah.
there are only 250 deps the are completely overworked evicting skels, serving orders of protection to wife and child beaters, and processing all the good people of suffolk in the various court facitites to do any street work

[King Me]

The only reason Tisch was on TV with his with his annual parking ticket bull is because he needs some kind of press.

Tisch just shot himself in the foot by going to the press 12 months ahead of his election showing the public how desperate he is for a cross endorsement.

Tisch has no political friends left. The Legislature cannot stand him, he has no money or fundraising ability. He has wasted millions of dollars on pet projects that do nothing more then caterer to unions.

Tisch has proposed to build a new jail that will cost $300 million and at least DOUBLE County tax bill.

Tisch will be lucky if he is not indicted with his buddy Tom Neppel.

This man is so incompetent you have to wonder how he ever was elected to any office. Guess it pays to be Tom Neppel's hip pocket.

[Tincan]

You ask how he was elected? Do you remember who his opponent was? Go research who his opponent was and your question shall be answered young Luke.......

[King Me]

That was a rhetorical question. Tisch barley beat Collins who had no money and no campaign. That is why he is begging for a cross endorsement.

Last time he ran he had police unions supporting him. Tisch will not be getting any of those unions this time. When he stuck a patrol boat on the east end he offended the east end unions and Suffolk PD. He has been sticking more and more guys in to jobs that use to go to Suffolk Detectives.

On top of that wait till the public finds out what he has spent sending guys all over the country for training and supposedly to study other jails.

[scpd patrol]

I believe that Tisch didn't "eke" out his election. I tried to pull up the results from LI Politics, but couldn't get the results.

[SEAN]

Tisch won by about 30K votes in a three way race. Considering that it was a three way race and that no other candidate had any money or ran a real campaign and that Republicans in Suffolk vastly out numbered Democrats that was not a big victory.

I agree that Tisch will have a hard time being re-elected. I will not vote for him again.

[Friend]

Funny, but here's a guy that is constantly going to the legislature with hat in hand wanting money for more deps, saying he doesn't have the bodies to perform the basic job. Yet he finds enuff personnel to go out and write parking summonses, man the east end patrol boat (sorry, 'drug interdiction and homeland security boat') and have cars on patrol. He routinely plays the smoke and mirrors game. Anybody know how long the wait is for the Sheriff to follow thru with an eviction ??? How many times is the boat manned on o/t ??( more often than u think..) Yes, I know the Sheriff is the head l/e officer in the county and that the deps have police powers, and that the sheriff in other parts of the country is the primary l/e agency, yada yada yada........But it don't work like that in suffolk. It's a combination of the deps wanting to get parity by showing they do 'police work' and Tisch getting a taste of the empire building begun by Mahoney...People gripe about p.d. taxes...let's make the sheriff's dept a line item on our tax bill too...You may be shocked at the numbers...

[not a friend]

Last black out who responded to the county aiding and relieving the Cops too good to do traffic work. Who responded to 9/11 and did what ever the NYPD and the city needed with out question not suffolk pd.

[easy answer]

why is everything scpd vs scso, if scpd handled the traffic only in the blackout, who was going to answer the 911 calls? i personally saw far more po than deps, 911, they sent you guys out because you're expendable, pos stayed here and kept the county safe.
you deps out here really got the ugly duckling complex huh?
no im not scpd, im a 911 dispatcher for nypd

[9 sgt]

im a 911 dispatcher for nypd. Wow so you know it all do you. Well did you know that SCPD sent in bus loads of cops in to help. But when they saw that they would be standing on corners and doing work that was beneath them, The same work State Troopers did with out question. They packed up and left instead of doing what NCPD, State Troopers and many from the tri state area did too help NYC. As a city cop I saw the Deps at the MEs office. Driving people around like cabs no problem they would say. Suffolk Correction officers even came down off duty to help. Look In the PBA magazine commemorating 911 you see many patches not SCPD. I guess the training they get in Suffolk county only covers Altruism 110,000.00$. Thank god the deps only make 60,000.00 and they like to help.

[Really]

and that was a blue shirt making these choices the scpd with the 15,000 tin, with 4 months on decided it was time to go home? and went and told the oic ''hey boss lets go home, someday i'll make 110,000, and im too good for this"
there isnt 1 PATROL cop in suffolk that wouldnt have went into the city back in9/01 and stayed there for as long as needed. half of us just left there to come out here.if you are a boss you would understand that, when you are in patrol, you're given a job and you do it. you dont get to have a say.

[green eyed monster]

yeah, that would be nice if you didnt like what you are doing just leave. dont ask anyone or wait for orders from a chief or co.
hey boss cant we just leave
whats the matter?
i dont like doing this can i leave
yes
ok everyone else coming
yeah
what are we going to tell nypd
nothing we are suffolk pos we dont have to tell them anything
come on 9 sgt, you expect us to believe that

[Knish]

I can tell the reading public that the Sheriff's Dept. (Office, sorry) is operating under the 'Business as Usual' approach regarding patronage and misuse of staff. Those that had hoped that things would change after the Mahoney debacle have been sorely dissappointed.

The Sheriff's Undersheriff for enforcement seems to be a professionally good fit, while the Undersheriff for Corrections sometimes seems more predisposed with his newfound authority and the novelty of having been issued a shiny badge, glock, and spiffy dress uniforms.

What has changed? On the surface, not much. Basic procedural modifications and policy revisions. The Deputy division still utilizes their people in ways that are a waste of training and manpower. The Corrections division has seen their morale plummet so low that a recent promotional exam for Officers had a record low number of eligible Officers actually take the test. This is due to the administrations use of an unfair zone scoring system, as well as a policy of assigning supervisory staff members to posts that neutralizes their seniority.

New uniforms notwithstanding, nothing tangible has been done to improve conditions that were ignored during the previous administration. The perception of this Sheriff is that, like Mahoney, his agenda lies elsewhere and the needs of his subordinates are ignored or are patronized.

Here's hoping that one day this elected position will go to one who knows what has to be done to run a Correctional operation with fairness, objectivity and a willingness to forego the political cancer that infects every agency in ths County.

[Right]

1st thing these dead ends do is try to shift our focus back on scpd, at least they do police work, ever see a sherriff roll up on a accident? they sit there and do nothing until the cops show up.
then at the end of the year the top 5-6 in salary arent scpd, its the deps. they are far worse.

[NYPD]

SCPD ha

My wife was in a 10 as they are called and deps did show up and maybe saved her. When it came to MV-104, The dep started on it and a boss showed up and started a new one. I asked the dep for a copy He stated that SCSO in agreement with SCPD who as I understand it covers 5 Western towns and 5 eastern town PDs do not want SCSO doing %%WORD48%4. As for stopping they Do Stop. Even saw a deputy helping in a "10" on I 87 Ya they stop. I even saw a dep stop To assist a SC PO at a brawl just pitched in until back up came. I hope SCPD would do the same. Black Blue Gray who cares remember more bad guys out on the street.

[SEAN]

"FRIEND" The Sheriff's Office does have a seperate Tax Line you idiot. The Sheriff's Office is funded out of the County General Fund. The average taxpayer pays about $70 a year to the General Fund.

Is it true Suffolk cops left the City on 9-11 because they did not like what they were told to do?

[NYPD]

no, cops cant just leave. whether or not they even went is a command decision. whether or not they stay is also a command decision. do you really think the brass CARES about the flatfoots happiness? yeah i know scpd doesnt have flat feet. no cop i know wouldnt go, thats just b/s.

[Agreed]

like any other government body, as soon as the sherriff gets some heat, he throws in the suffolk cops.figuring everyone hates them, well the deps arent any better
my take on this. disband the deputies make them scpd,as instead of hiring new cops off the current list move the deps over to scpd. keep the o.p. deps unit together and have them work for domestic violence unit. .keep the eviction unit together.the rest of the deps put in patrol.
get rid of the bosses, less redundant banquet buddies. hire more c.o.s to do the deps work. they make about 1/2 that deps. at the end of the year newsday always has top salaries in suffolk, notice the deps are #1 there will be a few close to 200k. the overtime for this job is crazy,they are almost guaranteed 100k.

[adult]

i doubt it is the deps or scpd, or even nypd, why would any of us bad mouth the other,if it is that in fact all of you should grow up, we're all the same.
its got to be civilians just flaming us.

[take the test]

SUFFOLK COUNTY
CORRECTION OFFICER I
CIVIL SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES
www.suffolkcountyny.gov/civilservice

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•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • LAST FILING DATE:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp NOVEMBER 3, 2004 &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • COUNTY BI-WEEKLY SALARY $1454*
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • UNGRADED&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • WRITTEN TEST DATE:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp DECEMBER 11, 2004
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • (*PER 2003 CONTRACT)

SUFFOLK COUNTY
DEPUTY SHERIFF I
CIVIL SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES
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•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • LAST FILING DATE:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp December 3, 2003&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • WRITTEN TEST DATE:&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp January 17, 2004
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • COUNTY BI-WEEKLY SALARY $1407*
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp • UNGRADED&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp
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*(PER 2002-2003 CONTRACT)



CORRECTION OFFICER I&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5501


DISTINGUISHING FEATURES OF THE CLASS
Under the direct supervision of a higher-ranking officer, an employee in this class has immediate responsibility for guarding prisoners and maintaining order and security at Suffolk County detention and correctional facilities. The incumbent is responsible for the custody, safety, and well-being of incarcerated criminals and other detainees. Correction Officers are designated by New York State law as peace officers and may be required to carry firearms in the performance of certain duties. Does related work as required.

TYPICAL WORK ACTIVITIES
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Supervises the movements and activities of inmates to maintain security and order;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Advises inmates on the rules and regulations governing the operation of the facility;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Inspects jail cells for cleanliness and provides prisoners with cleaning equipment;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Distributes necessary supplies to inmates;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Conducts searches of prisoners and cells for contraband;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Takes periodic counts of inmate population;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Notifies superiors of all disturbances and unusual incidents;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Supervises the shaving of prisoners and the return of razors;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Directs the serving of meals and keeps count of eating utensils;
•&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Supervises and directs the inmates on their assigned duties.


DEPUTY SHERIFF I&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5531


DISTINGUISHING FEATURES OF THE CLASS
Under general supervision, an employee in this class transports prisoners, makes arrests and serves legal processes. Routine assignments and special orders are received from superior officers who review work methods and results through reports, inspections and discussions. Does related work as required.

TYPICAL WORK ACTIVITIES
&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Transports prisoners to and from Suffolk County Correctional Facilities to all courts, jails and prisons throughout New York State;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp transports mental patients committed by court order;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Enforces court orders relating to domestic violence;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Makes court-ordered civil and criminal arrests;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Conducts criminal and general investigations;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Guards prisoners in court;&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Guards County buildings and property;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Directs traffic and issues summonses for traffic violations;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Responds to regional emergencies and participates in manhunts;

&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Works in federal and local task forces engaged in regional law enforcement.

[reader]

Looks like Correction Officers make more and have less responsibility then Deputy Sheriff. Lets be serious for the most part you inside when its cold and inside when its hot. I am sure you would rather be doing stuff outside but jails are indoors. I am surprised you past the test to get on the job. I agree 25 years is way too long. Peace Officers working as Jail Guards should retire after 20 Years on the job.

[deps]

''Last black out who responded to the county aiding and relieving the Cops too good to do traffic work''
the deps did, its not that the cops were too good to man traffic posts, its the 45 911 calls that were holding, the deps did everything they could do to help our brothers out. because we work together, scpd are great bunch of guys, anytime i do a traffic stop, at least 2-3 will pass and check if i'm good, which is all you can ask, anytime we've had anything we've needed help with, if we ask for 1 unit, 3 show up. of course we return the favor.
''Who responded to 9/11 and did what ever the NYPD and the city needed with out question not suffolk pd.''
that is a mgmt choice, not a patrol cop, take that up with the bosses, i know their k-9 es and special units did go.

Tisch caters to the Unions? Bull. The man who promised to mend "Mahoney's terrible reign". The man hasn't got a clue what he's doing.

He has two employees hide in the parking lot and look to see who switches from civilian jackets to department jackets BEFORE they are even on duty, because he wants to make an EXAMPLE of them. Please. He wants to limit the size of duffle bags. He wants to discipline people for wearing hats and gloves in the WINTER!!! Department issue only!!! HE DOESN'T ISSUE GLOVES AND HAT FOR THE working stiffs in the jail.

They won't put anything in writing and procedures and orders change on a daily basis, depending on who's in on that particular day. He's created an abudance of "special" jobs for favorite pets, but will strip the housing units where "inmates" are (you know - the purpose of the jail). People in the pet jobs are tripping over each other, because it's so disorganized, no one knows who work where, or who works for who, or what their function is.

Good Job Sheriff. Keep up the good work, they'll be picketing you by the end of the month. Or - at least when it warms up a little.

The good news is that your not a thief. Just a poor manager, you've lost control - maybe it's time to retire. The Unions in your department are weak - that's the only thing you have going for you.

[Dapper Dep]

What is with the attitude that liitle troll U/S Sullivan has towards C/O's and Deps. He is abig part of Tischs problems. Do not fear. We only have to deal with this guy for 11 more months.

[tier walker]

Walter Denzler is the biggest joke of them all. He has no experience in law enforcement and they put him in charge of our largest division. He is nothing but a blow hard and a phony. He is also having an affiar with a C/O who is his little pet.

[Rule By Fear!]

Let's see what the most recent bit of stupidity to filter down from Tisch's office.

Some jackass broke a piece of equipment, so it was turned over to IA.

Ok - to be expected. Like I said. Some jackass.

So how does the boss want it handled? Arbitrarily grab about 15 people who have nothing to do with it, and tell them that they are going to suspend them because they can't find who did it, and they want to guilt the person into coming forward.

[RBF]

So how does the boss want it handled? Arbitrarily grab about 15 people who have nothing to do with it, and tell them that they are going to suspend them because they can't find who did it, and they want to guilt the person into coming forward.

BTW - These guys and gals don't in work in the area where the piece of equipment was broken.

[Feelinggrey]

It's true- Tisch's reign has sunken to a new low. Yes, some idiot broke a device- no big deal right? Suspend him, whatever. To threaten others with discipline is goonery and unprofessional. These guys are doing everything they can to crush what little morale the staff has, nitpicking and interfering with people who have been doing a good job. I mean, they issue toilet-paper thin jackets and tell guys they can't wear supplemental garments during cold weather. Huh?

They were quoted as saying seniority means nothing, much to the delight of all those knob-polishers out there. You can rest assured the guy hiring you has the least amount of experience actually working IN the jail.

This is what happens when you give buffs a badge, gun, and a spiffy dress uniform. Can we get someone with a working knowledge of Correctional facilities to run?

[tier walker]

What a shock Tisch is now trying to buy us off w/ a K-9 officer. Too little too late Al. We all know Campo is getting the dog so why the posting? You guys are amatuers.

From what I hear they had his backyard measured for a fence long before the position was ever even posted. It seems like the azz kissers from the prior admin. have finally all made it back to the top. Boy, Tisch's butt must be as shiny as a chrome bumper. Does anyone think he knows exactly whats going on or is he just blind to all of this BS?

[Sour-Grapes]

You know what - this is nothing more then sour-grapes by the deputies. When there was a criminal in office they supported him tooth and nail because, he was a criminal. He didn't care that the deputies were making 100,000+ every year. He didn't care that the deputies job was basically a "no-show" position.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see your nieghbors who are deputies, and see the cars sitting in the driveways, parked in the mall parking lots shopping - etc...

The gravy train is over boys. Too bad. Now you have to face reality and if your smart, you'll keep you mouth's shut and do your job. What ever the hell that is.

1. Who sign's off on your 20 year. the sheriff.
2. Who keeps you in the Correction's positions, that you shouldn't even be in. the sheriff.

If Vinny DeMarco is so stupid as to put his members i such peril, then at the end of the day, he'll get just what he deserves, along with every other whiny dep that wastes their time posting on this message board.

Grow up. Smarten up

You know Sour Grapes lay off. I'm a C/O but you're off the mark on this one. Sure there are some Deps. who milked their jobs but we have our share also. You know the old Glass House saying. To suggest that Deputies have no show jobs is a little ignorant on your part. 99% of the Deputies do their jobs and do them well just like us C/Os. Yes they do Corrections work - no doubt but they are simply doing what they are told to do. Remember, the administration assigns jobs not the individual Officers. This stupid C/O and Deputy bashing is usless and has gone on long enough. Be happy that we make the salary that we do - on both sides. The scammers will always scam and the workers will always work.
Look at the department. The same azz kissing C/Os and the same azz kissing Deputies are still at it. All they did was switch azzes from Mahoney/Morris to this new jackazz. If you want to vent your anger than direct it towards the morons that are feeding Tisch all of the bullsh*t in the first place. They're the same scabs that have been doing it for years.
Leave the hard working Deputies and C/Os out of the dispute. The sooner that the Deputies and C/Os stand united the sooner the bullsh*t will stop. There will always be differances between the two groups but they have to be worked out so that both benefit. It can be done if everyone would just stop worrying about what the other guy has and start working together for a better future.

[Sour-Grapes]

You're off the mark. Your a deputy posting as a C/O. Nice try. Ruin your own life and stay out of mine.

No actually I'm a C/O posting as a C/O who is smart enough to relize how good of a job I have and could really care less what others have. The department is run like a three ring circus. Our Warden thinks he knows everything but knows little and listens to the same azz kissers from the prior administration. Morale is at an all time low and Tisch thinks (because he is told by the guys hanging off his azz) that everything is hunky doory. The admin. runs the jail by fear. All of which has to be corrected and soon. My guess is the place will implode before long. With that said, I miss where any of this has to do with what Deputies have or don't have, do or don't do.
Sour Grapes, our house is pretty sh*tty at this point by no fault of the hard working C/Os. We all know where the blame sits - Not with you or me, not with the Deputies (I'm sure they have enough of their own gripes) but with the crappy administration filled with nothing but azz kissing misfits. My point is lay of the Deputy bashing, lay off the C/O bashing and direct our anger where it belongs - OUT FRONT!!!!!

[wows]

First you can't blame anyone but Tisch for what goes on. He wanted to be Sheriff even though he had no experience. To make matters worse he picked two guys to be his unders that had no experience.
The facts are you will always have c/o's who are jealous of what Deps do and you will always have Deps who think they are hotsh_t. Sour grapes, name calling and fighting over jobs is not going to help anyone but Tisch. Why do you think that Sheriffs love to keep the fighting going?
The two jobs need to get together and get Tisch out of office. This will send one hell of a message to any future sheriff.

[Riverheader]

Why are they walking around like they hate the world? A smile once in while would be nice.

[Tisch n Levy]

Anyone know Tisch's relationship with Levy?

Boyfriend & girlfriend ??

[Union Made]

I think it is Tisch Sullivan and Denzler who get it on.



These guys make Levy look like a union activist!!!

[ugotit]

I have never had a Sheriff who blamed his employees for making to much in OT. Who is Tisch kidding? He lets Sgt Stark work all the OT he wants. Hell he could have added more people to keep Stark from getting all that OT, but no Stark is licking Tisch's boots.
So know Tisch blames the rest of the job for working to much. Well I say come August everyone refuse to work OT, bang in sick, take personal time, ect. Let Tisch and Stark sit in the jail, move inmates, feed them, ect. He will at least have to earn his pay!
Come election time I don't care who is running as long as he/she stops Stark and his clowns from ripping off the County again.

[Whos pathetic now]

I'm sure if you were offered all that ot that stark gets, you would turn it down because your such a good employee. Give me a break.

[You Are]

Tisch lets Stark do whatever he wants in o/t and it gives us all a black eye.

Tisch could have easily added another supervisor to CIB in fact it was suggested by some. But Stark jumped up and down like a baby and they let him have his way.

Tisch is stealing from the taxpayers.

[10-50]

Problem is only Stark gets that OT. Show me one other member who gets to pick his own OT? No one but you Bob. Who is the real pathetic one now?

[duba]

Demarco will change things fast.

Demarco will change things fast.

Thats right, he'll put on his 10" platform shoes and look the problem right in the eyes.

[DEMARCO]

Not so cool ha

[fan base]

Demarco is one of levy;s boys and anti police union.

[Bob Olson]

My name is Robert Olson and I am announcing my candidacy for Suffolk County Sheriff on the newly formed Integrity Party line which has already been written about by your publication. There are a variety of reasons for my running which can be summed up by my utter disgust with "politics as usual" in Suffolk County. I will elaborate at a later time. However, the primary reason I am running is to advocate for the exoneration of Martin Tankleff who at after just barely turning 17 years old, I strongly believe was wrongfully convicted 14 years ago of brutally murdering his parents. Details of his case can be found on www.4-4-4-4-4-tankleff.org. I am very well versed on the facts of the case and have attended the recent evidentiary hearing before Suffolk County Court Judge Stephen Braslow.

My family has lived on the east end of Long Island since the 1880's when my grandparents came from Poland and farmed potatoes in Wading River. My wife's father was Walter Lech who had a butcher shop in Polish Town where he made the best kielbasa this side of Warsaw. Needless, to say, both my wife and I are very well rooted in the east end community.

I was a New York State Trooper for 23 years and was a former Long Island delegate for the New York State Police Investigators Association. As an investigator, I have been involved in virtually every type of felony investigation including homicide. I am retired from the New York Air National Guard and a 16 year veteran Pararescueman (PJ) from the 106th Air Rescue Group in Westhampton Beach made famous in the movie and book "Perfect Storm." Before becoming a PJ, I was a United State Marine Security Guard at the U.S. Embassies in Copenhagen, Denmark and Warsaw, Poland.

In 2002, I worked on the campaign of Congressman Tim Bishop when he won by merely 2500 votes. I have become very active in politics and consider myself somewhat of an activist. I believe very strongly in social justice and those who know me know that I am not afraid to take a stand and state my opinions. I understand the extreme difficulties with trying to run as a third party candidate in Suffolk County but I never backed down from a fight in the past and I am not starting now. I plan to run a very aggressive campaign despite the fact that I do not have the funds and resources of the two major parties at my disposal. In order to be on the ballot in November, I will have to secure well over 1500 signatures on petititions. I am not asking for any campaign contributions but I am asking for volunteers to help secure those signatures. I am asking anyone who is as sicked and tired of the way things are around here to help me get those signatures. Petition time is just after the 4th of July until mid August in the dead heat of summer. I realize I am asking a lot but this is important. Hope to meet as many of you voters personally as I can. I need your support.

Respectfully submitted,

Robert L. Olson
POB 212
2 Deborah Drive
Westhampton Beach, NY 11978
BobbyO1011@aol.com
631 898-0199

[nramember]

2nd amendment concerns.
http://p204.ezboard.com/f631politicsfrm2.showMessage?topicID=413.topic

[Co's and Deps unite]

United we will change the Sheriff's Office with a leader like Vinny Demarco. Look out B Olsen Demarco is on the ticket.

[shanked]

a comment for mr. olson. do you relize that the fact that you think 4-4-4-4-4- tankleff is innocent or guilty has nothing to do with the fact that you want to run the sheriffs dept? do yourself a favor and don't promise anything (UNLIKE TISCH) tell everbody the real reason why you want to be sheriff (TO MESS UP THE DEPT. EVEN MORE AND GIVE C/O'S AND DEPS NOTHING WHEN YOU GET THERE). now go on your merry way and don't run..............

[Cuffed]

Mr. Olsen, your reasoning, or more appropriately lack thereof, for wanting the job as Sheriff only validates what we who toil in the jails already know: we need someone to run the Office who has a grasp of the complexities involved of juggling two agencies and is not beholden to special interests or a hidden agenda.

The last thing we need is an activist. We may as well have Maurice Mitchell or Frederick Brewington run for Sheriff. Thank you for your interest, but no thanks.

[Tommie]

What is need in a candidate for Sheriff is a member who has some experience working in the Sheriff's Department.
You have a joke of an administration running the operations of the Sheriff Department. Tisch and his lackeys have no experience either in law enforcement or running a 100 million dollar a year organization.
Because of Tisch's total lack of courage in hiring people to be his under sheriff’s you end up with U/S Sullivan who cannot walk straight because he is either drunk or has Sgt Starke attached to his member. Then you have U/S Denzler who is more concerned about which employee he can have an affair with. Denzler could careless if that employee is married to another employee as long as he gets his rocks off.
Then you have Tisch who gets his orders from Warden Murphy just because his wife is friends with Murphy’s wife. Yep, lets just promote who we want because they are friends of Murphy, the hell with what is right.

Oh it’s an election year lets promise the world again. First let’s give Corrections new uniforms even if they are the same ones turned down by the janitors union. Second let’s give Corrections a Canine unit that they know will never stand up to a lawsuit by the Deps and even if it did, big deal one good job for 900 guys.

Give me a break Sheriff. Hope you had a nice turn in office. Go ride off into the sunset will you.

What is need in a candidate for Sheriff is a member who has some experience working in the Sheriff's Department.
You have a joke of an administration running the operations of the Sheriff Department. Tisch and his lackeys have no experience either in law enforcement or running a 100 million dollar a year organization.
Because of Tisch's total lack of courage in hiring people to be his under sheriff’s you end up with U/S Sullivan who cannot walk straight because he is either drunk or has Sgt Starke attached to his member. Then you have U/S Denzler who is more concerned about which employee he can have an affair with. Denzler could careless if that employee is married to another employee as long as he gets his rocks off.
Then you have Tisch who gets his orders from Warden Murphy just because his wife is friends with Murphy’s wife. Yep, lets just promote who we want because they are friends of Murphy, the hell with what is right.

Oh it’s an election year lets promise the world again. First let’s give Corrections new uniforms even if they are the same ones turned down by the janitors union. Second let’s give Corrections a Canine unit that they know will never stand up to a lawsuit by the Deps and even if it did, big deal one good job for 900 guys.

Give me a break Sheriff. Hope you had a nice turn in office. Go ride off into the sunset will you.
Why not just make everyone a deputy sheriff? No need for seperate titles. The current CO's would get full police powers on and off duty , same uniform as the deps (the blue one), ability to transfer to K9, Marine Bureau, Investigations, etc.

[CO's and Deps]

Demarco was key in getting The County Exec into office. Who do you think will endorse him. What party may I ask?

Demarco for Sheriff if steve says he is good well?

HUH??

[Mike RR]

It doesn't matter who leads the show guys, it will always be the same way. The sheriffs office has always been about who you know and how you know them. If you know the boss, he moves you up in the food chain - end of story. Sometimes if they are lucky their buddy is in a position to get promoted three or even four times in their career all for who he/she knew. The toughest part of that whole equation is dealing with those who get promoted afterward. These condescending hacks actually begin to believe their own lines of b*llsh!t. They actually think they are somehow better at the job than you because they were unaturally elevated to some lofty position because they knew the boss. I really wonder if they can actually look at themselves in the mirror each morning. But I guess they can - they all seem to shave? When their friends, parents, spouses, and others see them being promoted over and over don't you think - deep down - they all know it was only because they know this guy or that guy. So pump yourselves up all you want, I took my test, I got my job, I make my money, and I can be proud of whatever I become in my career path because - I did on my own. These people know they couldn't have done it themselves. So, patronage, big overtime jobs, special privileges, poor management, and all these other things that occur at the sheriffs offices will continue - no matter who is at the controls.

[Spectacles]

What do you get when you cross an ancient tired old Judge + a fat, run down, old businessman + an old political retred hack from the D.A.'s office ?

The new three ring circus at the sheriff's office.

I am amazed that anyone couldn't see this coming, I have read at least fifty posts on this and other blogs reference the attitude of the people running the sheriff's office. I am a county employee, but an outsider to the sheriff's office and I saw this coming. How could your union, the political bosses and everyone else have missed it? The sheriff's office has run on political juice for as long as most of us have been alive, and it is not likely to change anytime soon. The only way this history of abuse will change is if you can convince someone who has no political history to run for this office. The public doesn't care, the political powers dont care, so you - the employees have to care. You shouldn't look to your unions, you shouldn't look to your fraternal groups, you should find someone within your ranks who has friends in both of your divisions, someone a lot of you will be able to trust and you should push - pull - or shove him / her into the race. The union guys are to easily manuevered, the big bosses are too tied into the game politically already, you need to find someone with intelligence and the guts to stand up for you - then you have to pray. Why pray, because if your guy wins - he / she may change from the power of it all, if your guy loses you may have pissed of everyone else in the process. But from what i am reading here it doesn't pay to sit back and take it any longer, the people running your office are acting like thugs, doing whatever they please. I love the stories about the guy getting promoted twice in one day. The one about the guy on your job only two years being promoted to detective, and the fighting over the k-9 jobs. Can't you all see that there is nobody up there watching out for you. Someone needs to step up for your sakes. Tommy Spota where are you ????????????

[Grass Roots Campaign]

Spectacles, you are so right.

For years the Sheriff's Office has been run by politicians. It is quite obvious that this has not worked. It is time for a change.

No more politicians, no retired cops, judges or union reps. What has to happen is someone from the inside, whether a C/O or a D/S, who is not beholden to any political party, has to run a grass roots campaign.

Someone who has been a member of the Sheriff's Office and who knows that the only way for the Sheriff's Office to move forward, is to put the past behind and work together towards a common goal.

It is time for the Sheriff's Office to move forward into the 21st century. It is time for a forward thinker, who can look both inside and out, to step to the plate and lead the charge for positive change. Someone who understands the nuances of the 2nd largest law enforcement agency in Suffolk County and who wishes to make a difference.

If someone from the ranks should run, they would not need the guidance of the present Warden, Chief Deputy and Chief of Staff because they know the problems that exist.

Put someone in that office who can walk into the facilities, whether it be Riverhead, Yaphank, District Court, etc and be respected as one of their own, who knows what the problems are and who has the guts to step forward and change what needs to be changed.

Someone who is willing to boost morale and not destroy it.

Someone who is willing to step on the current high ranking officers and tell them enough is enough. It is time to put the turf wars and animosity behind and work together. After all, they are all on the same side.

Someone who is willing to tell the unions, let's work together and make the job a better job for everyone.

Someone who wants to work for the taxpayers, because after all, isn't everyone employed there a taxpayer?

Someone who will tell the azz kizzers that sucking up will no longer get you anywhere. That job performance is now in and azz kizzing is out.

Someone who will listen to the rank and file because without them the jobs do not get done.

Someone who will listen to the supervisors. Not because they tell you YES SIR , whatever you want Sir, but because they will sometimes tell you what you really need to hear.

Someone who will put employee safety above everything else because they really do care and want you to go home to your family every day.

Someone who will put people in the Undersheriff's positions, who actually know the job, instead of having to learn the job. Undersheriff's who are not there to be your lunch date but there to actually do the job.

Someone who will make the position of Sheriff a full time job and know what their chiefs/wardens are doing.

But most importantly that someone has to be a person who is proud to wear the uniform of the Office of the Sheriff. Not someone who looks at it as a novelty.

Now if only that someone will step forward.

OK where do I start?

[??]

The only way this history of abuse will change is if you can convince someon who has no political history to run for this office.

Novel idea but don't you have to have some sort of backing from a political party???

I think you would have no chance going entirely independent.

Please feel free to correct me. I actually know very little about politiics.
That's a good thing.. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

[Qualified Observer]

Grass Roots campaign makes a very logical, and keen observation. Whereas the office of the Sheriff has long been a political trophy for whichever party controls it, the fact remains that the responsibilities and duties of the office deserve a qualified and experienced hand at running an office that has, as it's largest responsibility, the task of running the correctional facilities and overall supervision of all persons incarcerated in Suffolk County wether awaiting trial or sentenced to County time as well as awaiting transfer to serve sentences for State time.

While Mr. Demarco may have 11 years of experience with the enforcement divison of the Sheriff's Office and may be a savy political operator in his own right, there is another option that should be explored, if not by the Republican party, than by all means as an Independent slot on the ticket. There is a certain correctional supervisor working in the facilities that has a long, personal history with our Republican Party Chairwoman of Suffolk County. This supervisor has 20 years of experience working in all areas of the facilities, with a greater grasp of the duties and responsibilities of the office. A supervisor who is not afraid of making the hard decisions, or correcting mistakes made in the past for fear of whom they may displease or anger, not because of politics, but because it will be the right thing to do.

This person truly understands the needs of a growing Sheriff's Office, and has the relationships with many in County and State government to insure that the job gets done. Make no mistake about it, although every Sheriff seems to get caught up in the antique County Charter statement that they are the highest law enforcement officer in the County with thier own mini "police" department, it is historically been the Sheriff's main responsibility to maintain the jails and the incarcerated, wherever they may be housed in Suffolk County. I would say then, that the most qualified person to run the Sheriff's Office would be someone with this resume, and by the way, this supervisor has prior experience with the County Park Police, an entity from which many Deputy Sheriff's were absorbed from in the mid 70s as they had similar training and backround.

It also would not hurt the Republican cause any to promote this candidate, as this supervisor is a female, and it may be time to explore the posibility running a female for higher County office, especially one with as much experience with the office for which they seek as this one.

We are facing interesting times in Suffolk County, and if the Republican party wishes to keep possesing the crown jewel of Sheriff, maybe they ought to re-examine whom they want to run for this position. It is clear on this blog as it is on several others, as well as in the print media, that Sheriff Tisch has not endeared himself to many, especially to those working for him on either side of the office. It is true that he has accomplished many of the goals in his first term that he had laid out, albeit some goals came up short, but his overall style of management has led him to place highly unqualified people in key positions whom are relying on information being given to them by managers who have struck thier "fortunes" in the Mahoney era and all is not as well as he is being led to believe.

I'm with Grass Roots, it is time to cultivate a Sheriff from within, but one who is not "politics as usual", but rather one who has the best experience for the job at hand. If the Republicans do not see this, than I, as a long time Republican, would be willing to support this candidate as an Independent in a true "Grass Roots" campaign.

[cooooo]

Who??? Give us a hint!!!

[Tier Walker]

Give it a rest Sue. No one likes you.

[Senior Jack]

Don't worry Tier Walker, Sue has more friends than the Islip town Mahoney-ites on the job. If you really do walk the tiers, you would be best to remember that come election day. Then again, maybe you are one of only the handful out of 800+ correction personnel that would benefit from uncle Vinny's election?

[Just Want it Fair]

Let's face it, The SCPD is the top dog in the county. Deps & c.o.'s are jealous of their salary. Almost every Sheriff' Orafis employee wanted to be a cop. Now those who are stuck with their lot just want to have a fair contract and work place. Instead of a PD line on the tax bill it should be a Public safety line.
I say have the deps become PD and leave the corrections work (transport & watching inmates at court holding areas) to the c.o.'s Put the frustrated cops (The Deps) out into the street to do real police work. To paraphrase a politician I have worked with policemen and you Mr. Deputy are no policeman. You are a glorified taxi driver for skells. No Offense but realy what policing are you doing. Driving 90mph on sunrise hwy is not police work

Let's face it, The SCPD is the top dog in the county. Deps & c.o.'s are jealous of their salary. Almost every Sheriff' Orafis employee wanted to be a cop. Now those who are stuck with their lot just want to have a fair contract and work place. Instead of a PD line on the tax bill it should be a Public safety line.
I say have the deps become PD and leave the corrections work (transport & watching inmates at court holding areas) to the c.o.'s Put the frustrated cops (The Deps) out into the street to do real police work. To paraphrase a politician I have worked with policemen and you Mr. Deputy are no policeman. You are a glorified taxi driver for skells. No Offense but realy what policing are you doing. Driving 90mph on sunrise hwy is not police work

Oh Christ here it goes again. From one C/O to another - stop with the Dep bashing it makes you sound like a moron. If you want to bash than direct it towards the front office. Deps just like C/Os are only adults trying to earn a living and support their families. Leave the stupid bashing comments to yourself or better yet tell it to someones face!!

[we care]

Wow it took along time to try and start the lets have the co's and deps fight. Maybe we should go with Tisch he has treated us both so well. To late folks both groups don't buy your BS. This weak attempt to divide and conquer won't work this time.You had your chance at running our department and let poor management and ego get in the way. (that is unless your the SGT. in CIB, if not your just an unhappy employee.)
So turn off the lights up the hall because the party is over and change is coming !

Let's face it, The SCPD is the top dog in the county.

Hey Sheriff maybe you have not notice but for the last four months C/O's and Deputies have been getting along better then ever.

Sheriff, that is to your credit. Both groups of sworn officers in this Department hate you!

So have your punks find a new tactic. We are tired of "divide and conquer".

[friendly fire]

Let's face it, The SCPD is the top dog in the county. Deps & c.o.'s are jealous of their salary. Almost every Sheriff' Orafis employee wanted to be a cop. Now those who are stuck with their lot just want to have a fair contract and work place. Instead of a PD line on the tax bill it should be a Public safety line.
I say have the deps become PD and leave the corrections work (transport & watching inmates at court holding areas) to the c.o.'s Put the frustrated cops (The Deps) out into the street to do real police work. To paraphrase a politician I have worked with policemen and you Mr. Deputy are no policeman. You are a glorified taxi driver for skells. No Offense but realy what policing are you doing. Driving 90mph on sunrise hwy is not police work

OK, OK You want to be called Top Dog....fine. Now get lost and go chase a car. This forum does not concern you, Fido. :roll:
As for the Sheriff's Department--uuhhem.... I mean "Office", all we want, Deps and CO's alike is an administration that is, QUALIFIED, FAIR, KNOWS THE LAW (not limited to criminal law), doesn't have a GOD COMPLEX and who will surround themselves with people who are HONEST and actually KNOW their job and give a fair and unbiased representation of the existing workforce. Is that too much to ask?

[ISSUES]

Tisch's administration speaks out of bothsides of its mouth.

On one hand they attack employees for some equipment that was broken. Yet, they cover-up US Sullivans DWI accident and damage of his county car.

Can anyone say Dooley?

Lets see if even Murphy can save them!

What was that number for Newsday?

[Grass Roots Campaign]

Stop with the D/S and C/O bashing. Everyone has a place in the law enforcement community. Everyone wants the same thing, to be respected and treated well by their employers. Everyone wants the same thing, to go home, SAFELY, to their families after each and every shift.

The next Sheriff has to be someone who can make the hard decisions. Not decisions that are based on biases towards each seperate group but who can unite both groups to improve conditions for all. Someone who can put the years of animosity towards each other aside and make decisions based on what is best for both divisions and the taxpayers.

All employees are TAXPAYERS, so good fiscal decisions must be made with regards to the new jail. After years of politicians sticking their heads in the sand, the new facility must be built. There is no choice. What is built and how it is financed are now the questions that must be answered. The taxpayers should not foot the entire bill for construction costs. There are ways to offset the cost to the taxpayers but it again will take some hard decisions. Those decisions MUST be made.

The size and type of building is also a choice. Yes, a certain number of housing units and cells must be built. Do the administrators have to have shiny new offices? Absolutely NOT. They have perfectly good offices in Riverhead. Build what is absolutely necessary plus a certain percentage over the minimum. The Sheriff must work with the County Exec, Legislature, etc to help in finding ways to offset the construction costs.

Find more funding for alternatives to incarceration without going to the taxpayers. Target groups for these programs, minors, substance abusers, the mentally ill. Do not use these programs for sex offenders, habitual offenders or violent offenders.

Place people in the jobs that they are best suited for, not because of who they know but what they know. Even if the best suited person was once your enemy, if he/she is the most suited, put differences aside for the good of all and place the best person in the job, regardless of political affiliation, friendships, etc.

Work with the unions not against them. Resolve grievances before they cost the taxpayers. Discuss issues like adults, not some territorial animal. Just because you are "in charge" doesn't always make you right. A good leader knows that others might have a better idea and is willing to listen with an open mind.

Here is a portion from a book on leadership qualities:

"One of the great fallicies of all time has been that the only way to get ahead is to crush others. A weak leader is afraid to develop those under him for fear they will surpass him. A strong leader knows that if he properly develops his associates, he will be even stronger. A real leader learns how to be human on the job. He realizes that others can do things as well as, or better than he."

The hard working employees of the Sheriff's Office, the taxpayers and the voters of Suffolk County need a strong leader to face the challenges ahead. The Office of the Sheriff is an honorable position and that honor should be returned to the people of Suffolk County.

[Just Want it Fair]

No one has answered the question What police function do deps serve? What is your purpose? You are the largest deputy force without a patrol function. NYC does not even need deps. They use cops. What are you doing with that police status of yours. Stop kidding yourself and start patrolling.

[JailmanSansEnvy]

Why do some of these posters have an obsession with this 'C/O's and Deps are jealous of the PD"? Please. I took a test, got hired to do a job, and just want to be able to do it safely and take care of my family. I wish the Police the very best, but I don't spend any time wishing I was one of them. Yes, they're well compensated, good for them and their familes, and they have a job to do just like all of us.

The only thing I'm jealous of is the fact that I'm forced to work an additional 5 years for my pension than the PD or the Deps. How that is fair I'll never know. As far as I'm concerned, my role is no less important than any other, despite public apathy and contempt towards my field. Whatever.

Have a nice day.

[Grass Roots Campaign]

No one has answered the question What police function do deps serve? What is your purpose? You are the largest deputy force without a patrol function. NYC does not even need deps. They use cops. What are you doing with that police status of yours. Stop kidding yourself and start patrolling.

Enough with bashing Deputies. Deputy Sheriffs in Suffolk County serve and apprehend people who have defaulted on their child support payments, which in my opinion is a very important function. They also serve orders of protection, which again is a very important function. They transport inmates, conduct civil process orders, which generates income to Suffolk County. They supervise inmates in both county and district court. As police officers they also have the authority to to issue traffic tickets to violators, assist disabled motorists, etc.

They are one of the most under utilized law enforcement officers in Suffolk County and that should change. They are trained in the SCPD Academy as police officers and their training should be utilized. All you need is someone who can make the decision to utilize them in the capacity that they are trained for.

You can not blame the deputies for the tasks they are assigned but you can blame the Sheriff for not utilizing them to the ability level of their training. Aim your venom in the proper direction.

[Grass Roots Campaign]

Why do some of these posters have an obsession with this 'C/O's and Deps are jealous of the PD"? Please. I took a test, got hired to do a job, and just want to be able to do it safely and take care of my family. I wish the Police the very best, but I don't spend any time wishing I was one of them. Yes, they're well compensated, good for them and their familes, and they have a job to do just like all of us.

The only thing I'm jealous of is the fact that I'm forced to work an additional 5 years for my pension than the PD or the Deps. How that is fair I'll never know. As far as I'm concerned, my role is no less important than any other, despite public apathy and contempt towards my field. Whatever.

Have a nice day.

Nice post Jailman. I agree 100% that all law enforcement should have a 20 year retirement.

We all are aware that different titles will receive different compensation but the retirement should be the same. After all, when a SCPD officer arrests a criminal, where do they go?

I admire the job that SCPD does. But, the officers that have chosen to work in the Sheriff's Office and provide a valuable function to the residents of Suffolk County, should not have to work five years more towards retirement then SCPD. They all deal with the same criminals and mostly the same dangers.

Why do some of these posters have an obsession with this 'C/O's and Deps are jealous of the PD"? Please. I took a test, got hired to do a job, and just want to be able to do it safely and take care of my family. I wish the Police the very best, but I don't spend any time wishing I was one of them. Yes, they're well compensated, good for them and their familes, and they have a job to do just like all of us.

The only thing I'm jealous of is the fact that I'm forced to work an additional 5 years for my pension than the PD or the Deps. How that is fair I'll never know. As far as I'm concerned, my role is no less important than any other, despite public apathy and contempt towards my field. Whatever.

Don't forget that the C/Os have to deal with these perps for a lot longer time than any other agency.

Have a nice day.

Nice post Jailman. I agree 100% that all law enforcement should have a 20 year retirement.

We all are aware that different titles will receive different compensation but the retirement should be the same. After all, when a SCPD officer arrests a criminal, where do they go?

I admire the job that SCPD does. But, the officers that have chosen to work in the Sheriff's Office and provide a valuable function to the residents of Suffolk County, should not have to work five years more towards retirement then SCPD. They all deal with the same criminals and mostly the same dangers.

[Idiots]

You idiots are being stirred up by a few morons who have a vested interest in seeing fighting between Deps and C/O's.

Keep fighting and make jackasses like starke happy.

[justwantitfair]

Deputy Sheriffs in Suffolk County serve and apprehend people who have defaulted on their child support payments, which in my opinion is a very important function. They also serve orders of protection, which again is a very important function. They transport inmates, conduct civil process orders, which generates income to Suffolk County. They supervise inmates in both county and district court. As police officers they also have the authority to to issue traffic tickets to violators, assist disabled motorists, etc.

They are one of the most under utilized law enforcement officers in Suffolk County and that should change. They are trained in the SCPD Academy as police officers and their training should be utilized. All you need is someone who can make the decision to utilize them in the capacity that they are trained for.

You can not blame the deputies for the tasks they are assigned but you can blame the Sheriff for not utilizing them to the ability level of their training. Aim your venom in the proper direction.[/quote]
CORRECT!!!!! The Dep's are not used properly. I have many friends who are Deps and C/O's, Keep the supervision of inmates to C/O's and the other civil and /or patrol functions to the deps. Put the dep's to work in what they already do Issuing order of protection, arresting the dead-beat dads, go make money for the county. Are all those types of cases up to date? Could any of those departments use the help of the officers assigned to supervise or transport inmates? Leave the inmates to the C/O's and the other stuff to the Deps.
Also Why cant the dep's be put out on a DWI checkpoint. We could coordinate with our department heads The deps could be set up in say Babylon while we are set up in Huntington. No one wants drunks on the road. And it would not be a poached collar because PD wouldn't have even been there. Let's work together. I just want it fair for everyone. Who cares who makes the arrest there are plenty of collars for an active patrolman.
P.S. On a side note I don't care who become Sheriff, either way both branches of that department are in trouble.

it does not matter who becomes sheriff...it will always politically corrupt. i am fully prepard to go through at least 6 different changes in the administration throughout my 25 years as a c/o. i don't care if mickey mouse is sheriff, just treat ALL sherrif dept employees fairly..............

[Better day in gray]

I believe that Vinny Demarco uses a leased Jeep Cherokee and that the Deputy Union pays for it. That it is odd because correct me if I am wrong but he eligible to use a county car. That is if he uses it for union business and work related matters. Is he afraid to get smashed excuse the pun and be caught in the county vehicle? The union pays money for this what a waste. Not to mention the location and condition of the union office I hope it was free. So where will Demarco run the campaign from? I hope he is not running his campaign from the union office while on release to the union. I give the guy credit he has done so much for your membership as the president.

I believe that Vinny Demarco uses a leased Jeep Cherokee and that the Deputy Union pays for it. That it is odd because correct me if I am wrong but he eligible to use a county car. That is if he uses it for union business and work related matters. Is he afraid to get smashed excuse the pun and be caught in the county vehicle? The union pays money for this what a waste. Not to mention the location and condition of the union office I hope it was free. So where will Demarco run the campaign from? I hope he is not running his campaign from the union office while on release to the union. I give the guy credit he has done so much for your membership as the president.

I believe that Vinny Demarco uses a leased Jeep Cherokee and that the Deputy Union pays for it. That it is odd because correct me if I am wrong but he eligible to use a county car. That is if he uses it for union business and work related matters. Is he afraid to get smashed excuse the pun and be caught in the county vehicle? The union pays money for this what a waste. Not to mention the location and condition of the union office I hope it was free. So where will Demarco run the campaign from? I hope he is not running his campaign from the union office while on release to the union. I give the guy credit he has done so much for your membership as the president.

[taxpayer for Demarco]

as a taxpayer i am glad that Demarco doesn't waste taxpayers money using a county car. Good for him and us.

[tax payer tooo]

Demarco is on work release a no show job and he is campaining on county time?

[D/S INV]

He hasn't even said if he is running. Who campaigns during the day anyway? I am sure DeMarco will have someone run his day to day operation.

Everyone except brookhaven republicans like Tisch know not to campaign on county time.

[Tisch Basher]

Jan 1st was supposed to be Tisch's first day of work, but he decided not to show up and an inmate hung himself and died. The lawsuit from the family cost the taxpayers millions.

TISCH MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jailsmart]

Tisch Basher is just another disgruntled moron who sees that other people have things he doesn't and instead of looking at himself has to blame the others.

Not that you probably have any knowledge as to whether Sheriff Tisch was in the jail on new year's day over three years ago!!!, but what difference could it possibly have made on that inmate's suicide.

Idiotic postings like this only show how you are letting your emotions ruin your credibility.

[Tisch Basher]

My credibility is intact. I was working that day and Tisch was not. How many people miss their first day of work?

[Just in the middle!]

One Poster said;
I believe that Vinny Demarco uses a leased Jeep Cherokee and that the Deputy Union pays for it. That it is odd because correct me if I am wrong but he eligible to use a county car. That is if he uses it for union business and work related matters. Is he afraid to get smashed excuse the pun and be caught in the county vehicle? The union pays money for this what a waste. Not to mention the location and condition of the union office I hope it was free. So where will Demarco run the campaign from? I hope he is not running his campaign from the union office while on release to the union. I give the guy credit he has done so much for your membership as the president.

I am a Deputy, I pay for Vinnie's car and at the time "we", (the membership), made the descision to lease that vehicle after hearing valid reasons for it. It mattered so little that I don't even remember why "we" did it. Vin has done a good job for the majority of his members. He works towards better conditions for the guys, better wages, and a decent workplace. He has done a lot to improve each of those items. I find him to be a very honest and forthright individual, which means he probably won't win an election to the Sheriff's post. To win that you have to be a war - torn political hack, you have bring with you a couple of "has - been" political morons as under sheriff's, and a cast of charactors that rivals any three stooges movie ever made, (except without the slapping . . . well maybe some slapping).

Recently Newsday posted OT stats for a lot of Deps and C/O's. They asked Vinnie for a response to their article, hidden within forty minutes of interview was one comment Vinnie made which shed a poor light on the Sheriff's administrative abilities. That comment was printed. In response to that article Sheriff Tisch has taken actions against Deputies working within his ranks. As if the job didn't have enough problems - the boss has now decided to take out his anger at Vinnie on the poor slobs who do the work day in and day out. Nice job Sheriff. I for one never thought Vinnie had a shot at the Sheriff job simply because he would have needed a high percentage of Deps and CO's behind him to be successful. Once again you've done it Mr. Tisch - you have done what no other before you could have, you've united Deps as a group, and now the CO's are on board as well. Job well done, you've all but sealed your fate as a one term dictator. You have more employees pissed off than even Mahoney and Morris could manage. So back to those rally cries - "Bring back Mahoney", or better yet the phrase I hear so often around the office these days;

"SAME CIRCUS, JUST DIFFERENT CLOWNS" ! That says it all.

Mr. Tisch - Good luck in your next career - whatever that may be.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Whenever I read a post that for no reason at all attacks someone, or seems to be reaching just to find something negative to say I simply dismiss the post as biased. As with the recent poster who poses the silly question about Demarco driving a jeep - who cares! If it was a Range Rover or a Mercedes at union expense - well then you would have something to write home about. This is just the usual nonsense that gets written here by guys who have been chomping on the bosses nob and have nothing real to say. Then the moron who wrote this, realizing he wrote a post about nothing, re-posts the same post three times on two different threads. Don't hide guy - don't be a B$TCH, come with something real and everyone will listen. Keep posting your ridiculous rantings and we'll ignore you as usual.

[DUMP TISCHY]

WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE AGAIN BOYS AND GIRLS. FOR WHATEVER REASON - EVERY FEW YEARS WE, (DEPS AND CO'S), ARE CONVINCED THAT A NEW SAVIOR IS IN OUR MIDST. WE BACK THAT GUY AND EXPECT THAT HE WILL "TURN THINGS AROUND". THEN THE GUY GETS INTO OFFICE, TASTES THE POWER AND SETS UP ALL THE AZZ KISSERS AS HIS ARMY. THE REST OF US SIT BY AND WAIT TO SEE IF HE WILL CHOP OUR HEAD OFF.

UNDER DUMB, (AKA - UNDER SHERIFF SULLIVAN), WAS HEARD TO SAY THIS - "every once in awhile you have to take somebody out to the village square and execute him, that keeps people in line".

WELL NOW ITS TIME TO TAKE UNDER DUMB OUT TO THE SQUARE -
AND WITH THEM WE WILL BRING UNDER DUMBER AND THE SHERIFF AS WELL -

[Grass Roots Campaign]

WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE AGAIN BOYS AND GIRLS. FOR WHATEVER REASON - EVERY FEW YEARS WE, (DEPS AND CO'S), ARE CONVINCED THAT A NEW SAVIOR IS IN OUR MIDST. WE BACK THAT GUY AND EXPECT THAT HE WILL "TURN THINGS AROUND". THEN THE GUY GETS INTO OFFICE, TASTES THE POWER AND SETS UP ALL THE AZZ KISSERS AS HIS ARMY. THE REST OF US SIT BY AND WAIT TO SEE IF HE WILL CHOP OUR HEAD OFF.

UNDER DUMB, (AKA - UNDER SHERIFF SULLIVAN), WAS HEARD TO SAY THIS - "every once in awhile you have to take somebody out to the village square and execute him, that keeps people in line".

WELL NOW ITS TIME TO TAKE UNDER DUMB OUT TO THE SQUARE -
AND WITH THEM WE WILL BRING UNDER DUMBER AND THE SHERIFF AS WELL -

This is the main reason why morale is so low in ALL divisions. The Tisch Administration DOES NOT care about the average joe just trying to do their jobs. They do not care how many people they have threatened with suspensions over bogus charges and investigations.

Why does the Tisch Administration feel the need to rule with fear? Because they are clueless non-leaders who are so far out of their league it shows in everything they try to do and do. They have absolutely no respect for their employees nor for their office.

When they are asked why they have done something in a way to destroy morale, their answer is pretty clear, "because I can". Not the type of leaders that the Office of the Sheriff needs or deserves.

The voters of Suffolk County will have choices this fall. What Sheriff Tisch and his group of henchman have forgotten is that all employees and their families are also voters, not just some indentured servants who serve them. They have also forgotten something that is more important.

Although the employees of the Sheriff's Office technically work for you, YOU ALSO WORK FOR THEM AS VOTERS AND TAXPAYERS OF THE COUNTY.

So for every employee that you or your henchman have threatened with suspension, brought up on bogus disciplinary charges and attempted to intimidate through your fear tactics, it is at least one lost vote for your reelection. Now add up family and friends, co-workers, etc and that's alot of votes. Remember, every vote is a two vote swing.

During Sheriff Tisch's initial campaign, he stated that he wanted to restore honor back to the Office of the Sheriff. He has failed miserably. The taxpayers, employees and voters will have a chance, whether in September or November, to show just how miserable he has failed.

TISCH SUCKS

[CO5555]

I am backing demarco as a C/O it is about time that we get a piece of the pie too. I never would have believed that we could join in an alliance after years of holding each other in contempt. I now times have changed. But I will be glad because of opportunity to work out side and at district court are just around the corner. Who knows what changes could happen. The deps could even get an enhanced patrol functions.

[OfficerX]

The Tisch & Co. tenure's attitude towards their subordinates can be summed up by a quote from Undersheriff Denzler made at a C/O Union meeting a few months ago. To an assembly of Officer's, both senior and junior, he stated "To us seniority means only how long you've been here".

The sound of jaws collectively hitting the floor reverberates to this day.

As was stated before, these guys have no clue, or more importantly, they could care less.

I am backing demarco as a C/O it is about time that we get a piece of the pie too. I never would have believed that we could join in an alliance after years of holding each other in contempt. I now times have changed. But I will be glad because of opportunity to work out side and at district court are just around the corner. Who knows what changes could happen. The deps could even get an enhanced patrol functions.

I hope you are not in line for drug testing because you must be stoned. DeMarco giving C/Os outside jobs, district court, I almost pissed myself when I read your post. How long you got on the job, 2 months? No doubt DeMarco could make a better Sheriff than Tisch is just based on experience alone. If you think for one minute that DeMarco is going to bend over backwards for the C/Os you're dead wrong young man. The Deputies will be living large no doubt but the C/Os will be lucky just to be left alone.

[TISCHY IS OUT]

You said;

I hope you are not in line for drug testing because you must be stoned. DeMarco giving C/Os outside jobs, district court, I almost pissed myself when I read your post. How long you got on the job, 2 months? There is no doubt DeMarco could make a better Sheriff than Tisch is just based on experience alone. If you think for one minute that DeMarco is going to bend over backwards for the C/Os you're dead wrong young man. The Deputies will be living large no doubt but the C/Os will be lucky just to be left alone.

YOU ARE WRONG. I also doubt that Demarco will hand over jobs to the C/O's without first getting the Deps something else. But frankly - you said it yourself - Demarco would be a better Sheriff than Tisch - just because he has been here and worked here. Do I think Demarco will hand you guys the Dep jobs No. But I also think you will see better conditions than you see now, a guy at the top known for his fairness, and a guy who has said that those in power now who have made life tough on us little guys will be dismantled and put on ice for all to see. For me thats enough for my vote, my wife's, my family members and anybody else I can get to the voting booth. For once I want to see these azz kissing, tongue bath jerks stuck in a corner and told to behave or leave!
I also wouldn't belittle anyone wearing this uniform for his two months, two years, or his twenty plus years. Everyone should count equally guy, and if you cant think that way you are part of the problem, not the solution.

And so . . . YOU ARE DEAD WRONG YOUNG MAN.

[Proud C/O]

I dont want anyone elses job, I want to keep mine. I also want things to more like they were before these bullying punks came into our workplace. Yeah If Demarco gets in he could hurt us, but how bad of a beating do we have to take from these morons before Demarco seems appealing to us? I'm done with the current administartion, Murphy, Denzler, all of them should just dry up and blow away. If Demarco gets in and messes with us, I guess we got had, but I will vote for him anyway - just to send these other guys packing. I also heard that Vito has been trashing this Demarco guy too, well if Vito doesn't like him then I'm voting for him - twice if I can!

[Integrity2]

Today most of the people working within the Sheriff's Office will learn that Undersheriff (DUMB), Sullivan has ordered all Deputies out of First District Court. He has also ordered the jobs filled with Corrections Officers. I guess Tisch heard how many of us were going to support Demarco and felt he had to pull off some huge jesture for the Corrections side to ward off the support going towards Vinny. Nice try Sheriff, but I can't be bought. You see rumor has it that the County was about to sign off on a contract that they had bargained over with the Deps. That contract would have given all C/O's the same raise via the "me too" clause inserted in the last contract. At that juncture Under Dumb, (Sullivan) - who was in the room throughout the contract talks advised the County that the Sheriff wouldn't be on board with such a contract. The result was that the deal fell through and the Deps are now in mediation and looking at binding arbitration. Rumor has it the first year of that proposed contract settlement would have been the Deps biggest yearly raise ever. In 1989, 90, 91, & 92 the Deps got a four year contract with a couple of five % raises in there. If this was the largest single raise ever, then it would have to have been more than 5%. So this Sheriff screwed every single C/O out of the same raise. Now to quell the rumors of C/O's crossing over in support of Vinny, he throws us a bone in an attempt to keep us stupid. Yeah, I'd be happy to get District Court, and I think we should be there - but not like this, and not at the price it cost us. When I retire I can't take District Court with me, I could have figured in those extra percentage points on my pension though. So, I for one am not buying it Mr. Tisch, you don't do a damn thing for us for three and a half years, then when you hear that a lot of us are actually using our heads this time and about to show you the curb, you pull this scam out of your a$$ and expect us to bight. Well thanks a lot, we'll take it. But we'll still be showing you the damn door at the end of this year - hows that sound to you?

DEMARCO FOR SHERIFF - HE'S OUR CHOICE

[GOODBYE TISCH]

Yesterday Suffolk Sheriff Alfred Tisch ordered that the Deputy Sheriff's working at 1st District Court be transfered elsewhere and they be replaced by Corrections Officers.

This move has been viewed by Deputies and Correction Officers as retaliation for the rumors that have the Deputy Sheriff union president, (Vincent Demarco), running against Tisch for the Sheriff post in November. In recent weeks the Sheriff has all but dismantled the most historied group in Suffolk Law Enforcement history. He has done so at the expense of the very same Deputy Sheriff's he personally PROMISED not to hinder prior to his election to office three and half years ago. The same Deputies he is hurting now are the ones who supported him and helped insure his election three years ago. While a candidate for office he spoke of HONESTY - INTEGRITY - TRUTH IN POLITICS - and his extensive backround including service to the country as a Marine. He is none of what he professed to be, instead we find that he is an opinionated, self serving, nepotic, politician. That he LIED to many of his supporters just to get elected to his post.

I hope he understands that we, (both C/O's and DEPS), now know him for what he really is, and that we are prepared to remove him Sullivan and Denzler from their posts. The following should also be noted:

1. When Tisch came to office he hired longtime associate Kevin James? James Kevins? as his aid, then he hired Kevin James son to work in the Sheriff's Office Garage.

2. On at least two occasions Tisch, and or Sullivan were involved in motor vehicle accidents - one where it is clear that he left the scene of the accident - (covered up), and a second where it is understood that he was intoxicated - (again covered up).

3. Undersheriff Denzler has a roving eye that zeroed in on a married female C/O with whom it appears he had an extra - marital
affair. His advances in this area continue.

4. Sheriff Tisch did nothing but sit back and mismanage the Sheriff's Office for three years until he felt threatened by the rumor that Vincent Demarco would run against him and that many C/O's were supporting this change. The Sheriff then began a campaign of "cost cutting" measures aimed at the Deputies in direct retaliation for Demarco's intent to run. Many of the changes will actually cost the county more money, which shows this administrations inability to manage properly.

I am a member of this Department, have been for many years - and NO for the first time it doesn't matter if I am a C/O or a Dep - I just work here. I am saddened that Tisch gave us a Canine Dog position after all this time, (just to piss off the Deps).

I am offended and pissed off myself that he and his war dogs think that I am so simple minded as to jump in bed with him now!
I am beyond words in response to his now trying to buy us off by giving us the First District Court complex to run. (I do think C/O's should run 1DC, but not like this). This is a clear and simple PAYOFF - I'm not buying it at all! I wont turn it down, but I still wont support you Mr. Tisch.

For the very first time, WE, (C/O's and DEPS), have an opportunity to put our own people in office, I know Demarco is a Dep, and yes I know he will pick his Under Sheriff's after the election. But he should understand that if he were to indicate to C/O's that he would at least consider an undersheriff from the corrections side, Tisch would be finished RIGHT NOW!

I cant stand this crap any more, these politicians come and go - but this is my career, this is how I feed my family, this is how I pay for my mortgage. I was here in 1993 when Mahony through us out of 1 DC, and it hurt guys. So the Deps must understand - we know what you are facing, and we never want it again. So extend an olive branch to our side and lets get together and throw these F*CKS the H*LL out of here for good.

KICK THESE BUMS TO THE CURB !

[Iwalkthe tiers]

As a correction officer I know why we are back in District. It is really a transparent gesture on the Sheriff's part. This is nice but what is next. Sorry folks but I want more. I have not determined who to support in the upcomming election but I would like to hear Vinny's position on corrections. Lets not be stupid and rush into an endorsement any time soon. Although this is big for corrections if this is the only item we recieve then what's the point. This was promised 3 YEARS AGO!!!!! And now even before a race has started he gives us what we asked for 3 years ago.
I want to know will Vinny be truly supportive of corrections or will he lie like every other politician and say" YOU GUYS HAVE THE TOUGHEST JOB IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, now get backinto the tier and shut the f*** up."
I am too old to take any more test, I am proud of what I do and I just want a boss who will be on my side and not try to bend me over every chance they get and want me to smile about it.
Have Vinny's people get in touch with our peop;e to talk. What will he give us? politics is all aboout what can you do for me. or I gots to get mines!!!!

Walter Denzler is the biggest joke of them all. He has no experience in law enforcement and they put him in charge of our largest division. He is nothing but a blow hard and a phony. He is also having an affiar with a C/O who is his little pet.

I AGREE totaly. Walter Denzler is nothing more than a Political Appointed Moron. if you talk to him he will convince you he has worked in the corrections field for 50 years although, he was in pharmacutical (soryr about the spelling) sales or something of that nature. he knew NOTHING, knows NOTHING and will always know NOTHING about corrections no matter how long he lives (hope he lives to a ripe old age) Lets fac eit with these morons running the hail Corrections will always be lower than crap.

Tisch should be removed from office and the most senior captain of the Deputy Division and the most senior captain of the Corrections Divison should be appointed Undersheriffs and the Chief Deputy Sheriff or Warden (whichever came up through the ranks) appointed Sheriff to serve the remanider of Tisch's term.

[C/O]

While I understand the reservations of some brothers and sisters I cant understand their inability to see things for what they are. This is not about politics, or about what this guy Demarco can or will do for us - it is about what the current administration HASN"T done until faced with this immediate problem. Tisch, Denzler, & Sullivan are obviously worried about their futures. They did absolutely nothing for over three years, then all of sudden a month ago they give us a canine post. They could have given us district at any time - why now? I'll tell you why, because they know we can see them for what they really are, and they are hoping to buy us off with district and a dog. They want us to forget that they screwed the Deps out of a 5 1/2 % raise for 2004, (which would have been our raise too with the me too clause), I'm sorry 25 or 30 spots at district and one dog instead of a 5 1/2 percent raise? Not good people. We are being had by this administration, what if we support them and next year the politics call for the bosses to f*ck us? Then what? These guys obviously do whatever is good for them! I dont want Demarco to do anything for me but leave me and my friends alone. If he guarentees me that he has my vote, and I know he'll have the votes of a sh!tload of other C/O's too.

[onthvisit]

All I know, is that our two groups have never stayed on the same team. We have never put our political powers together. And it has never gotten much for both of our sides. Maybe we need to try something different. Maybe join forces and put somebody in charge that looks out for our best interests. Not someone who uses one side against the other. How about a sheriff that doesnt block a hard negotiated contract!(TISCH) How about a sheriff that doesnt install a stupid device that we have to activate on the tiers, treating us like security guards(TISCH) How about a Sheriff that doesnt use peoples lives and careers as if they dont matter(TISCH) How about not breaking peoples chops because they wear their own jacket in the parking lot (TISCH) How about not bankrupting the county for his own ego (TISCH MA HALL)How about a sheriff that doesnt promote a deputy with less than 2 years on to investigator(TISCH)....Both sides need to realize that 3 ATTORNEYS are ruining this department. Yeah Tisch was a retired judge. But anybody in law enforcement knows that means nothing. 99% of judges were ambulance chasers who were political hacks. These 3 guys took these positions as after thoughts. As a novelty... As a hobby....Bottom line is they couldnt care less about either group

[Old Time Tier hack]

ALl I can say my fellow C/O's and Fellow Deputies is I am voting for and will convince all I can to vote for Vinny DeMarco for the next Sheriff. I don't really care what the administration thinks nor do I care what those morons that call themselves the C/O's Union think. They are all only out for one thing, THEMSELVES. Yes folks thats right, all the administration and the union guys are onyl out for themselves. SO to hell with all of them and lets all for once stick together and vote for Vinny DeMarco for Sheriff. Maybe then we will be treated fairly and with some respect. We all do a hard job and Vinny knows that. Obviously we can't get any worse than we already have. So Goodbye Tisch, Goodbye Sullivan, Goodbye Denzler and with a little luck Goodbye Murphy (or at least maybe he can be under control).
A C/O with not much time left.

[musket]

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[Been There 2]

You're getting on the right track. The only thing elected officials care about is getting re-elected. I know that might sound obvious and everyone is probably going "duh!" but never, ever, let it out of your sight. They, and their minions, care nothing about you. Nothing about you, your family, your future. Nothing about your chosen career which to them is a part-time job.

From what I've seen there has been, and is, a great deal of conflict between deps and cos. That's exactly what they will feed on. It worked on the state level for years and to some extent still does. Solution? Strength in numbers. Get together and formulate a game plan. Have the Union send out voter cards (the basic "low-ball" rule of thumb is that for each union member there are 4 votes - and that's not really close to the higher number in smaller jurisdictions). Pick your topic and/or candidate but show them that you're together. It's your only hope to avoid repeating history.

[/b]Maybe someone can ponder these questions. Back when Mahony and Morris were ruining, I mean running the show with pure hatred and politics and the C/Os were getting screwed at every corner where was Vinny and crew than? I never heard one single Deputy complain once about the treatment the C/Os received for 12 years, never once. When many C/Os were kicked out of District Court I don't remember 1 Deputy complaining. In fact they new before hand that we were being taken out and never once leaked it to the C/Os they had worked side by side with for years. When we were walking around outside a Mahoney function to display our displeasure over treatment of C/Os what did Vinny and his great union do? They hired a big bus to drive all of the Deputies OVER our picket line and into the Mahoney function.
You see it is really quite simple people. When things are in the favor of the Deputies than everything is good, no matter who else is getting screwed. When things don't quite go their way though they come on and try to trump up support for their boy so we can all benefit? Not quite, it is so they can benefit and the C/Os can go back to being the mistreated misfits that the Deputies think we should be. Don't fool yourselfs boys and girls, Tisch is no winner but IT CAN BE WORSE.
Oh yeah, don't forget about the Deputies out ticketing our cars in the facility parking lot under the Mahoney tenure. Yeah lets support their man. - NOT

[Tier Walker]

George Lessler was the President of the union then. DeMarco wasn't around.

[Grass Roots Campaign]

George Lessler was the President of the union then. DeMarco wasn't around.

You are right that Lessler was president when the C.O.'s were removed from District Court 12 years ago, but DeMarco was around when the Deputies decided to cross an informational picket line organized by correction officers at Villa Lombardi's, which was a political function for Mahoney.

On to the District Court fiasco, part II. Everyone should take a step back and look at the big picture. Both Deputies and C.O.'s are being taken for fools right now.

On the Deputies side, Tisch is being vindictive towards DeMarco for:

1. his comments in Newsday about mismanagement.
2. the rumor about DeMarco running against him in November
3. the ability to try and play D/S against C/O's again

On the Correction Officers side, Tisch is trying to:

1. Once again play the C.O.'s union into backing him in November
2. Try to get the C.O.'s to forget all the crap that has gone on for the last 3 1/2 years.
3. Start the battle between C.O.'s and Deputies up again.

So, plain and simple, this is a political ploy. This was not done to give the C.O.'s anything or take anything away from the Deputies, it was not done to save OT costs. It was done to try and get the two unions and it's member to go against each other, AGAIN.

So here is the politician Tisch playing with approximately 1000 of his employees. For those of you that were around during District Court, part I, you will remember the PERB ruling that went against the correction officers. What has changed since that ruling, NOTHING. Unless the Deputies were given something in exchange for District Court, that would benefit them and give them reason NOT to file an improper labor practice, they will file and more than likely WIN in PERB.

I do not have a crystal ball but in my opinion come January, no matter if Tisch or DeMarco wins the election, Correction Officers will be removed from District Court AGAIN.

See this move for what it is. A game to be played with 1000 employees and nothing more.

What is needed right now, more than ever, is a third candidate to step into the ring. Someone who will do the right thing for both groups of employees. But that person must also remember that they represent the taxpayers of Suffolk County and should be beholden to them and not the unions. It is a fine line to walk but it is possible.

[da troof]

its a new age in the dept. and its alarming to any old timer that loves the c/o dep war.... its over . deps and c/o get along well, we like each other. former c/os are deps, former city cops are deps as well as c/os..... the old timers figured out how to start the computer and they are posting there shit so we all get fired up and vote there boys back into office... this helps them and fucks us.wouldnt it suck if u had to work your last 4 years with a new administration old timer? maybe sucking ass wouldnt work and you would not have the sweet deal you have now, but the rest of us would have a better job for the next 15 or 20.sorry but we are not buying your tired old bullshit, say goodbye to your boys , its over. :lol:

[/b]Maybe someone can ponder these questions. Back when Mahony and Morris were ruining, I mean running the show with pure hatred and politics and the C/Os were getting screwed at every corner where was Vinny and crew than? I never heard one single Deputy complain once about the treatment the C/Os received for 12 years, never once. When many C/Os were kicked out of District Court I don't remember 1 Deputy complaining. In fact they new before hand that we were being taken out and never once leaked it to the C/Os they had worked side by side with for years. When we were walking around outside a Mahoney function to display our displeasure over treatment of C/Os what did Vinny and his great union do? They hired a big bus to drive all of the Deputies OVER our picket line and into the Mahoney function.
You see it is really quite simple people. When things are in the favor of the Deputies than everything is good, no matter who else is getting screwed. When things don't quite go their way though they come on and try to trump up support for their boy so we can all benefit? Not quite, it is so they can benefit and the C/Os can go back to being the mistreated misfits that the Deputies think we should be. Don't fool yourselfs boys and girls, Tisch is no winner but IT CAN BE WORSE.
Oh yeah, don't forget about the Deputies out ticketing our cars in the facility parking lot under the Mahoney tenure. Yeah lets support their man. - NOT

You hatred for you job is blinding you.

For years C/O's tried to steal jobs from Deputies at District. When Mahoney simply corrected that you sued and lost. That decesion is going to be very important now.

Tell me how did Mahoney screw you?

The way I see it you tried to steal jobs that are not yours and you lost. Since Mahoney who C/O's never supported would not go along with that you hated him. When Mahoney blocked your attemps to take over jobs you went as far as try to abolish the Sheriff's Department for a DOC. Before that you tried to keep Deputies from getting a 20 year retirement. After that you tried to wreck Deputy contracts by adding a "me too" clause. That forced the Deputies to have to go to binding arbitration. We are still awaiting the out come of that.

Deputies have never taken any job from a C/O that was not a Deputies job.

Deputies supported the C/O picket line and did not cross. No Deputies went on any bus. That was C/O's lead by Eddie Walsh.
Lets see if you support our lines the same way.

With all the things C/O's have tried to take or wreck for Deputies over the years you get upset because two or three C/O's got tickets for inspections that were expired for over year ? By the way here is a little bit of trivia. The Deputy who had those tickets written is now a huge C/O supporter. Yep Sgt Bob in CIB.

Tell me when the current plan to steal jobs from Deputies at District Court fails will you blame Deputies for that also?

First of all it is quite obvious that you have few years on the job like most Deps. You speak from what others have told you not what you know for fact..

Fact: the judge in District Court I ruled that the job of Deputy and Correction Officer were interchangable in District Court therefore the Sheriff can assign either devision to the job at his discretion PERIOD. The ruling DOES NOT say that the Deputies get the job only that the Sheriff can assign whomever he wants....

Fact: the C/Os have NEVER taken one single job from the Deputies. Please list the jobs we have taken I'm up for a good laugh.

Fact: the NYS Deputies association faught tooth and nail aginst the C/Os 20 yr bill and they still fight it to this day. Your union is part of that association and has been active in the fight. You got your 20 yr bill we don't.

Fact: the SLAP program was designed by a C/O (Ray Jaquin) for C/Os back in 88. In 90 Mahoney appointed Deps to the job.

Fact" Morris went out of his way to screw with C/Os even going as far as transfering a whole crew from Yaphank to Riverhead because his brother (head cook) did'nt like them.

Fact: the bus was full of Deputies not C/Os. You're mistaken with the first deminstration where in fact a few C/Os did cross the line.

Fact: Very few C/Os even care for Ed Walsh and even fewer care for Sgt Starke.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT JUNIOR JACK

[guest16]

Fact. The DSPBA does not belong to the NYS deputies assoc., hasn't for years.

Fact . Your union at the time lobbied SC Legislators against voting for our 20 year bill.

Time to rethink your facts.

[Here are the facts]

The NYS Deputies Association lobbies FOR the 20yr corrections bill now and and always has. Check out their website.

The Suffolk deputies do not belong to that oraganization.

DeMarco was not the union president when the c/o's had pickets lines.

Disctrict Ct can be done by C/O's or deps at the discretion of the Sheriff. It is just a shame the way Tisch gave it back to the C/O's.
Maybe it should be split down the middle then we can't be used against each other anymore on that issue.

[BEEN AROUND]

Vinny DeMarco was not union president but he was on the union board. Stop trying to find ways to justify that he likes the correction officers and that he will do right by you. See him for what he really is. A political machine that really only cares about himself.

The NYS Deputies Association lobbies FOR the 20yr corrections bill now and and always has. Check out their website.

The Suffolk deputies do not belong to that oraganization.

DeMarco was not the union president when the c/o's had pickets lines.

Disctrict Ct can be done by C/O's or deps at the discretion of the Sheriff. It is just a shame the way Tisch gave it back to the C/O's.
Maybe it should be split down the middle then we can't be used against each other anymore on that issue.
Where are all the deputies that were assigned to First District Court being assigned now?

rumor has it that they will have something to do with park police.............I also have a ? what excatly would a deputy union or a c/o union have to gain by trying to stop either one from getting a 20 year bill????? please explain.......(guest16 and guest)

rumor has it that they will have something to do with park police.............I also have a ? what excatly would a deputy union or a c/o union have to gain by trying to stop either one from getting a 20 year bill????? please explain.......(guest16 and guest)
u mean patrolling county?

That should have said u mean they are merging the SC Park Police into the Sheriff's Dept? Why not just create a countywide patrol function?

[Gold Star]

DeMarco was on the board but he was fighting with the president at the time and did his own thing with a fellow board member who was elected with him.

[Not buying it]

DeMarco must be an angel, there always seems to be an excuse for why he isn't invoved in any controversy. What a great honest guy he must be. My hero.

[Mythbuster]

[quote="Anonymous"]First of all it is quite obvious that you have few years on the job like most Deps. You speak from what others have told you not what you know for fact..

Fact: the judge in District Court I ruled that the job of Deputy and Correction Officer were interchangable in District Court therefore the Sheriff can assign either devision to the job at his discretion PERIOD. The ruling DOES NOT say that the Deputies get the job only that the Sheriff can assign whomever he wants....

Fact: the C/Os have NEVER taken one single job from the Deputies. Please list the jobs we have taken I'm up for a good laugh.

Fact: the NYS Deputies association faught tooth and nail aginst the C/Os 20 yr bill and they still fight it to this day. Your union is part of that association and has been active in the fight. You got your 20 yr bill we don't.

Fact: the SLAP program was designed by a C/O (Ray Jaquin) for C/Os back in 88. In 90 Mahoney appointed Deps to the job.

Fact" Morris went out of his way to screw with C/Os even going as far as transfering a whole crew from Yaphank to Riverhead because his brother (head cook) did'nt like them.

Fact: the bus was full of Deputies not C/Os. You're mistaken with the first deminstration where in fact a few C/Os did cross the line.

Fact: Very few C/Os even care for Ed Walsh and even fewer care for Sgt Starke.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT JUNIOR JACK[/quote

FACTS? You better go look up the meaning of facts. You have defined lies and bull very well.

One it was not a judge but an independent arbitrator who ruled on the DC case. Big difference. Second, the arbitrator did not say that C/Os were "interchangeable" with Deputies. What was stated was in response to SCCOA witness testifying that Deputies were not trained to handle inmates in a detention facility. The arbitrators reply was that since Deputies are trained to higher standard is that Deputies are "interchangeable" with C/Os.
Union busting now comes into play also. Deputies in the past have solely run District Court. Deputies have now run DC without C/Os for 12 1/2 years. C/Os have never run DC.

Jobs taken from Deputies? Simple. District Court, Hospital, gate house, tower, garage, K9, DUCK.

NYS Deputies Association is made up of about 80% Correction Officers. The DS PBA is not a member.They have and always have supported a 20 year retirement for C/Os. The current bill is A6552. http://www.nysdeputy.org

SLAP program designed by Jaquin? That is just funny. Prisoner labor has been used since before the USA was in existence.

Morris transferred the crew from Yapank after a bunch of immature guys did a few thousand dollars in damage to the kitchen. Do you condone criminal mischief to County property? No one was fired; no one was even made to pay for the damage. Think you would get away with that now?

No bus of Deputies ever crossed your line. The DS PBA voted not to attend either function that was picketed (West Hills and Villa Lombardi). I recall about 4 Deputies attending one function. At that same function about 45 C/Os crossed. As a matter of fact Officers in the holding pen, the morning after, thanked us for not attending.

As for your last so called fact; who cares who likes those two?

I will give you one fact. No Sheriff has ever been elected with the sole support of C/Os. I don't expect you to support anything Deputies do. But don't go around making up bull.

[SCSD civilian]

DeMarco is a straight up guy. You keep trying to throw $hit out there that is not going to stick because it is not true. I can't wait to see what you will make up next.

[FRIENDLY FIRE]

George Lessler was the President of the union then. DeMarco wasn't around.

You are right that Lessler was president when the C.O.'s were removed from District Court 12 years ago, but DeMarco was around when the Deputies decided to cross an informational picket line organized by correction officers at Villa Lombardi's, which was a political function for Mahoney.

On to the District Court fiasco, part II. Everyone should take a step back and look at the big picture. Both Deputies and C.O.'s are being taken for fools right now.

On the Deputies side, Tisch is being vindictive towards DeMarco for:

1. his comments in Newsday about mismanagement.
2. the rumor about DeMarco running against him in November
3. the ability to try and play D/S against C/O's again

On the Correction Officers side, Tisch is trying to:

1. Once again play the C.O.'s union into backing him in November
2. Try to get the C.O.'s to forget all the crap that has gone on for the last 3 1/2 years.
3. Start the battle between C.O.'s and Deputies up again.

So, plain and simple, this is a political ploy. This was not done to give the C.O.'s anything or take anything away from the Deputies, it was not done to save OT costs. It was done to try and get the two unions and it's member to go against each other, AGAIN.

So here is the politician Tisch playing with approximately 1000 of his employees. For those of you that were around during District Court, part I, you will remember the PERB ruling that went against the correction officers. What has changed since that ruling, NOTHING. Unless the Deputies were given something in exchange for District Court, that would benefit them and give them reason NOT to file an improper labor practice, they will file and more than likely WIN in PERB.

I do not have a crystal ball but in my opinion come January, no matter if Tisch or DeMarco wins the election, Correction Officers will be removed from District Court AGAIN.

See this move for what it is. A game to be played with 1000 employees and nothing more.

What is needed right now, more than ever, is a third candidate to step into the ring. Someone who will do the right thing for both groups of employees. But that person must also remember that they represent the taxpayers of Suffolk County and should be beholden to them and not the unions. It is a fine line to walk but it is possible.


PAY ATTENTION CO'S AND DEPS!! ALL OF THE ABOVE IS QUITE TRUE. DON'T PLAY INTO THIS GAME OF DIVIDE AND CONQUER!

WE WILL ALL END UP BEING LOSERS......AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!! :cry:

[F.F.]

Fact: the SLAP program was designed by a C/O (Ray Jaquin) for C/Os back in 88. In 90 Mahoney appointed Deps to the job.

Sorry pal--not true... Jacquin developed the Y.E.S. Program.

SLAP was as political advertisement for Pat Mahoney!!!!

I can't imagine Ray Jacquin doing anything FOR Mahoney, as he was his opponent for Sheriff. Remember???????

[ALL AN ILLUSION]

FF is right about the SLAP program being started by Mahoney.

As for SCSD civilian, I don't have to make up anything, I know and so will you in short notice if and when DeMarco becomes our boss. What you see is not what you will get. Unfortunately by the time you find out it will be too late.

[Grass Roots Campaign]

It did not take long for all the back biting and stabbing to begin all over again. :evil:

Don't you see, that is EXACTLY what the present administration wants. They have us at each other throats again and not focused against them.

Stop with who belongs in District Court or who deserves it more. The way it was done 12 years ago was wrong and it is wrong NOW. It is a political ploy and the employees are being used as pawns.

Stop with who crossed who's informational picket line 7 years ago. Not only is it water under the bridge, many C.O.'s and Deputies were not even on the job then. It is in the past, so leave it in the past.

For the first time in many years, correction officers and deputies were focused on improving the job for all. Do not lose that focus. If you do, they win and you (we) lose big time.

[Forced48]

I agree with Grass Roots, this back and forth nonsense is foolish and looks bad. Please don't let a few malcontents disrupt what has been a steadily improving relationship between these two agencies.

I'm not concerned with the past, especially the Mahoney tenure. I'm concerned about the years I have left and what can be done to make a much-maligned job better.

Here's some game for those who stir the pot: most C/O's could care less about what Walsh, Larkin, Canatella, Maggi, or Lessler may have done in the past. Sure, most took care of themselves, but it's old news. Demarco hasn't even announced his intentions, and he is a Deputy, so he has no bearing on us.

Let's be thankful noone has lost his/her employment and remember, your family comes first...

[future D/S]

Demarco hasn't even announced his intentions, and he is a Deputy, so he has no bearing on us....

Wake up guy - Vinnie is in

Why is it that people think that DeMarco is a lock for Sheriff?

Does the average Suffolk citizen know or care who he is-looking like Tom Cruise doesnt generate many votes.

May not be a run away election as predicted.

Let's face it, The SCPD is the top dog in the county. Put the frustrated cops (The Deps) out into the street to do real police work. To paraphrase a politician I have worked with policemen and you Mr. Deputy are no policeman. You are a glorified taxi driver for skells. No Offense but realy what policing are you doing. Driving 90mph on sunrise hwy is not police work

What BS. compare this to the incompetance of SCPD - How many patrol cars do you see on the LIE? And how many lives are lost on the roads of this County making it one of worst counties for traffic fatalities, if not the worst, in NYS. AND WHERE is SCPD?

GIVE A BREAK with your 232 day sched and $120k salary. Do some freaking police work afor a change.

[Judgejuryandexecutioner]

Evidently going against the Sheriff is an injudicious and risky move on the part of the illustrious Union President. And it is at e great expense to the Deputies he was supposed to protect and act for. He should be questioned as to why and at what price tag his accomplishment should burden those who empowered him for the sole purpose of representation. I deem that impeachment is in order at this point in time in order for us to show that the small group does not represent or consent with him or his dealings in the matters in opposition to the Sheriff. And that the wheels set in motion are halted at once to thwart irreversible harm to the Sheriffs Office. The job was decent lets keep it that way and value it for what its worth. This is a great deal worse then loosing cars or working an extra ½ hour this is dire. We could be looking at a loosing fracas don’t jump on the band wagon permit the man stand unaided in the ring with out us in his corner. Then come to a decision on who to support on you own. He should not be permitted to give the notion that we as a union sought this. We will go down in the long run and for what to see one man elevated to a title he is not fit for. I am fond of the guy but I am obliged to be painfully honest in light of current events. But conclude for your self keeping in mind your career and more crucial your families. You don’t have to hit me with a stick to see if it hurts and I am not going to be dragged through this anymore with out a struggle.

[RAMBO]

THE SHERIFF DREW FIRST BLOOD IN THIS. HE HAS BEEN PLOTTING AGAINST THE DEPUTIES FOR OVER A YEAR. HE IS A DESPARATE MAN AND DESPARATE MEN DO DEPARATE THINGS. HANG ON MY BROTHERS WE WILL PREVAIL AND THESE AMATEURS WILL BE GONE.

THE SHERIFF DREW FIRST BLOOD IN THIS. HE HAS BEEN PLOTTING AGAINST THE DEPUTIES FOR OVER A YEAR. HE IS A DESPARATE MAN AND DESPARATE MEN DO DEPARATE THINGS. HANG ON MY BROTHERS WE WILL PREVAIL AND THESE AMATEURS WILL BE GONE.

He is correct demarco forced the man to do this but it should not have been this way.

[sounds like stark]

We should not stand with demarco he cares to much about the department. We should stand with the 100,000 overtime whipping boy or maybe the investigator that gets his son in law on the job and then gets him reassigned to a tit job with less than 2 years on the job. Oh thats right Demarco fought to protect seniority, while the starks and others fend for themselves. Demarco has the support of this department no matter how sad it makes kline or stark. This department wants an administration that honors the contract and respects its employees for the job they do whether it is the correction division, the deputy division or its civilian employees.

[to sounds like stark?]

I am against stark and klein and the fact that he got his son in law who has less than a year on the job. But the fact of the matter is that little vinny failed to explain to that reporter is that not all deps make that kind of money it only reflects a small group of guys that dread being at home. I did not make the paper did you? So instead of making him self sound like the expert he should of explained to that reporter the fact of how unpredictable events like alternate housing caused the overtime to increase and so on. If I had it my way no deputy with a shield lower then 400 would be given the option to make investigator. And the hire of “city guys” would end vinny feels the same way believe me. And the rumor that vinny new about all of this has me bent with rage.
Did he want this to happen or what?

I am against stark and klein and the fact that he got his son in law who has less than a year on the job. But the fact of the matter is that little vinny failed to explain to that reporter is that not all deps make that kind of money it only reflects a small group of guys that dread being at home. I did not make the paper did you? So instead of making him self sound like the expert he should of explained to that reporter the fact of how unpredictable events like alternate housing caused the overtime to increase and so on. If I had it my way no deputy with a shield lower then 400 would be given the option to make investigator. And the hire of “city guys” would end vinny feels the same way believe me. And the rumor that vinny new about all of this has me bent with rage.
Did he want this to happen or what?

true

[bills due]

I did not make newsday but I never asked to be part of this.

And the hire of “city guys” would end? stop with the city bullshit... just cause a guy was a city cop doesnt make him unworthy... lets not forget so called city guys went thru the academy in suffolk recently. lets stick together and make it thru this storm.. or we could divide up and look like fools , easy targets and screw ourselves . since when did being a city cop become such a bad thing? people are just tryin to make livins.. city, nassau, suffolk whateva.

the job started going downthe tubes when the city guys skiped the academy and proof was one getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar upstate. We dont need you city guys imagine running for union with six days on the job. all that was good is being taken away and it started with the city guys. vinny faught it for a reason now look.

stop it.... this all started cause city guys, too funny. if u have a beef with guys that skipped academy, whateva. dont lump all city guys into the " they ruined this job" title cause plenty of city guys went thru the academy and are great workers well liked by the deps they work with including myself. :lol:

[Kchh]

The counties should get rid of the sherriff's all together and let the scpd do the job

[tax slave]

do you really want more cops makin 100 g base? i am not in the dept but think we need sheriffs dept.i know i dont want to pay more suffolk pd salary to do a job deps and c/0s do now.please keep any other expensive ill thought of ideas to yourself

[kchh]

Do you think the sherrif's are paid lower?

base pay... yes i know they are. dont believe that those pictures in the newspaper of deps being top moneymakers in the county represent most deps.most make less than pd

[payroll watcher]

i believe a correction officer was the top overtime earner last year with over $100,000 in overtime.

do you really want more cops makin 100 g base? i am not in the dept but think we need sheriffs dept.i know i dont want to pay more suffolk pd salary to do a job deps and c/0s do now.please keep any other expensive ill thought of ideas to yourself
deps match scpd with the o/t they get, some a bit more, some a bit less.If we got rid of deps we'd have 150k cops all over the place.

soooooo isnt that what tax slave was saying? we need to keep deps and cos on the job

OK we'll try this again.

Get rid of SCPD - Get rid of SCSO - and SCPP too

FORM A DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY - NO MORE DUPLICATION and salaries under control. Taxes have to go down.

DO THE FRIGGIN MATH

OK we'll try this again.

Get rid of SCPD - Get rid of SCSO - and SCPP too

FORM A DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY - NO MORE DUPLICATION and salaries under control. Taxes have to go down.

DO THE FRIGGIN MATH
But they would still have Deputy Sheriffs, Police, Park Police and so forth just as divisons rather the seperate forces.

I say either everyone is a Suffolk County Police officer or everyone is a Suffolk County Deputy Sheriff, pick one agency and merge SCPD, SCSO, SCPP into that one agency.

[how about.............]

OK we'll try this again.

Get rid of SCPD - Get rid of SCSO - and SCPP too

FORM A DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY - NO MORE DUPLICATION and salaries under control. Taxes have to go down.

DO THE FRIGGIN MATH
Get rid of the whiny poor taxpayers cant afford their lifestyles. Believe me on this, the Counties civil service system isnt going to go anywhere, the taxes arent going down anytime soon, (check your school system). If the 4-700 you pay for police is too much now, remember lipa is going up this year, gas is always going hire, oil, food, etc. The police tax, which goes directly into the County budget, as there is no seperate police budget, will go up in about 3-4 years. Might be time to consider a move or a 2nd or 3rd job.
DO THE FRIGGIN MATH.

OK we'll try this again.

Get rid of SCPD - Get rid of SCSO - and SCPP too

FORM A DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY - NO MORE DUPLICATION and salaries under control. Taxes have to go down.

DO THE FRIGGIN MATH
But they would still have Deputy Sheriffs, Police, Park Police and so forth just as divisons rather the seperate forces.

I say either everyone is a Suffolk County Police officer or everyone is a Suffolk County Deputy Sheriff, pick one agency and merge SCPD, SCSO, SCPP into that one agency.
I personally dont see a problem with that, I'm sure all the smaller agencies like the park police would love to merge with either, and get the pay raise, accordingly. The problem I'd forsee is all the supervisors, other than civilly appointed positions, you cant fire. You probably could, but then these guys would be getting paid their salaries to sit at home. You can demote, but there would be way too many chiefs. They should freeze promotions for a few years and allow the current supervisors to retire.

[URclueless]

OK we'll try this again.

Get rid of SCPD - Get rid of SCSO - and SCPP too

FORM A DEPT OF PUBLIC SAFETY - NO MORE DUPLICATION and salaries under control. Taxes have to go down.

DO THE FRIGGIN MATH
But they would still have Deputy Sheriffs, Police, Park Police and so forth just as divisons rather the seperate forces.

I say either everyone is a Suffolk County Police officer or everyone is a Suffolk County Deputy Sheriff, pick one agency and merge SCPD, SCSO, SCPP into that one agency.
I personally dont see a problem with that, I'm sure all the smaller agencies like the park police would love to merge with either, and get the pay raise, accordingly. The problem I'd forsee is all the supervisors, other than civilly appointed positions, you cant fire. You probably could, but then these guys would be getting paid their salaries to sit at home. You can demote, but there would be way too many chiefs. They should freeze promotions for a few years and allow the current supervisors to retire.

Fine, have your way. I don't care which way you do it merge SCPD into SCSO or vice versa. It doesn't even matter if you abandon both agencies and make a DPS. There is something called binding arbitration, the salaries for the DPS would be based on the same comparable agencies that surround them now which will be Nassau, Southampton, Riverhead, East Hampton, Southold. So guess what Mr. Taxpayer? Different game same name. The only thing that will change are a few bosses and the patches on the shoulder. SC Parks cops would love it, they would get a huge raise as well as the base salary of the deps. Now you have a bigger headed monster that has to justify an even bigger budget because it's scope and range will be the entire county of Suffolk. Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen. the only possible merge would be park police and the deputy sheriffs. get over it. scpd will never merge with scso. and to cut scpd salaries and make them all deps.....good luck. you need both depts. the deputies will now be able to concentrate on more civil, violations of orders of protection ,evictions and transportation now that they are no longer playing correction officer in district court. leave it alone have a nice day :D

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen. the only possible merge would be park police and the deputy sheriffs. get over it. scpd will never merge with scso. and to cut scpd salaries and make them all deps.....good luck. you need both depts. the deputies will now be able to concentrate on more civil, violations of orders of protection ,evictions and transportation now that they are no longer playing correction officer in district court. leave it alone have a nice day :D
Hey lets the taxpayers have their dreams, in their pretend world they can fire us and rehire us at 1/2 the salary, as long in the real world they pay their taxes, who cares

[guesty]

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.
Yeah abolish the SCPD and make them accept lower salary as a deputy sheriff.

School and Police taxes are killing us. These school taxes going up 18%+ iin one year is insane.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.
Yeah abolish the SCPD and make them accept lower salary as a deputy sheriff.

School and Police taxes are killing us. These school taxes going up 18%+ iin one year is insane. You can dream about it, aint going to happen, if scpd and the deps merged, the deps would want the upgraded salary, and scpd would want the upgraded O/T. You would be off the island in less than a year.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.
Yeah abolish the SCPD and make them accept lower salary as a deputy sheriff.

School and Police taxes are killing us. These school taxes going up 18%+ iin one year is insane. You can dream about it, aint going to happen, if scpd and the deps merged, the deps would want the upgraded salary, and scpd would want the upgraded O/T. You would be off the island in less than a year.
There wont be anyone left on the island in a decade except the cops, illegal immigrants, politicans and the rich folks.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.
Yeah abolish the SCPD and make them accept lower salary as a deputy sheriff.

School and Police taxes are killing us. These school taxes going up 18%+ iin one year is insane. You can dream about it, aint going to happen, if scpd and the deps merged, the deps would want the upgraded salary, and scpd would want the upgraded O/T. You would be off the island in less than a year.
There wont be anyone left on the island in a decade except the cops, illegal immigrants, politicans and the rich folks.
Rich folk? hardly, maybe 15 years ago. You need to make at least 135k to be comfortable on L.I. If you are the average couple making 75-80k between the two of you, you are on borrowed time for this island.

FELLAS. all of this merging and getting rid of scpd and make them scsd as well a s spp is all a bunch of B U L L C R A P. none of theese ideas will ever happen.

So taxes will keep going up (OK school taxes have a little to do with it), housing prices are unaffordable and the average slob asking "do you want fries with that" will move away. Ok makes a lot of sense now.

Gotta finda a way to reduce taxes.
Yeah abolish the SCPD and make them accept lower salary as a deputy sheriff.

School and Police taxes are killing us. These school taxes going up 18%+ iin one year is insane. You can dream about it, aint going to happen, if scpd and the deps merged, the deps would want the upgraded salary, and scpd would want the upgraded O/T. You would be off the island in less than a year.
There wont be anyone left on the island in a decade except the cops, illegal immigrants, politicans and the rich folks.
Rich folk? hardly, maybe 15 years ago. You need to make at least 135k to be comfortable on L.I. If you are the average couple making 75-80k between the two of you, you are on borrowed time for this island.
I totally agree. Middle class on this island is actually way above the middle class in the rest of the country. Here a middle class home costs about 400k, taxes between 6000 and 10k. The average family needs close to 150k to have a comfortable family life, ie medical, 2.5 cars(the family van, the car pool car, and the sports car/ weekend car), the college fund, the 401k, the disney vacation,etc. What passes for barely making ends meet, like a respectable salary around 20-25 a hour, will never be enough to buy a home or other posted things, yet folks in other parts of the state or country could live like kings.

[guesteronomo]

so what's the answer?
low income housing.......................hell no
cut school programs............don't punish the kids
merge all police depts................never happened (dumb)
freeze law enforcement salaries.......not a good idea (you get what you pay for)
increase sales tax........maybe by a quarter percent at most
build a casino w/ 25% back to the county....WHY THE HELL NOT!
OR

move to Bumfunk, North Dakota

so what's the answer?
low income housing.......................hell no
cut school programs............don't punish the kids
merge all police depts................never happened (dumb)
freeze law enforcement salaries.......not a good idea (you get what you pay for)
increase sales tax........maybe by a quarter percent at most
build a casino w/ 25% back to the county....WHY THE HELL NOT!
OR

move to Bumfunk, North Dakota
I think there has to be a way to cut SOME of the local government and merge their responsiblities. Every town, village, hamlet, doesnt need its own chief executive of recycling dog food cans.
Additionally, I think there is way too many non productive jobs thru out all Government jobs, including schools and police dept. On other boards, they explain there are 20 police working per sc precinct and between 5-10 immediate supervisors working at the same time. Plus all the desk jobs. Other than a rookie cop, most cops do not need help writing a mva, or a domestic, for which 1 of the 4-5 sgts may assist. The other 4-5 supervisors would not even be seen by a street cop.
Schools as we are learning are corrupt and bleeding us dry. forget the kids, they will be fine, get rid of 1/2 the boards and superintendant types.
Document illegals or the homes with 40 people living there, and tax the owners accordingly, theres a productive job for the police, towns, villages hamlet governments. Dont forget these kids go to our schools without paying their own way.

build a casino w/ 25% back to the county....WHY THE HELL NOT!


yeah build the casino so i don't have to drive to atlantic city or make the hour drive and 45 minute ferry ride to foxwoods. As sad as it sounds ,that 25% kickback to county from the casino would probably be 25% of suffolks revenue. build it and the money will come...........

[Crazy 1]

I am a Deputy Sergeant, I like most facets of my job, I don't want to be a Suffolk Cop, I don't want to be a C/O, I like MY job. I have been around for over 16 years, I've worked the station 15 and 16 booths, I know a lot of C/O's from both facilities. When I worked the booth years ago at Yaphank I would take off my gear and eat my lunch in the C/O's cafeteria with many C/O's that I still call friends. I played deck hockey and basketball with the C/O's in the Farm Gym, and I played poker at C/O's houses on Friday nights - in short these are good guys and many are my friends. I don't know why I have to endure posts from idiots on both jobs that cant see the forest for the trees. Grow up guys - this is a public forum, everyone sees it. Part of being professional and having some pride in your job includes taking the high road and not participating in this constant bickering. This is what the administration wants - they want to see both sides of this Department at odds with each other. It is to their advantage that we have this rift between us, it is to everyones advantage but ours. I really think there are guys out there who just want to get along and do their own jobs. As a group it seems every administration re - defines what our jobs are, and this one is no exception. I've lived through Dooley with his axe carrying henchman, (Layton), who kicked the Deputy side any chance he got. Where are they now? Dooley is in and out of jails since then, and his "AID" was afraid to work the tiers so he quit - Layton.
Then we had Mahoney and Morris - they beat the living crap out of the Corrections side of the job every chance they got. All in response to a pissing contest between Canatella and Morris. Then came the trials and indictments and the deals etc. so where are they now? Mahoney hasn't been heard from since, Morris took pleas and is retired in obscurity. Now we have Tisch, he reacts to an article in Newsday where the Demarco made comments about him by giving the C/O's 1 DC, he takes away the overnight trips from Deputies and gives it to THE STATE C/O's, (not Suffolk C/O's), then he continues with illegal contract busting and union busting ploys. Guess what, I'll be here when he's gone too! This is my career, this isn't just some stopover on a long line of political jobs. This is it for me, and frankly I'm not going to sit back and let him rip apart the Sheriff's Department any more. I can understand if C/O's are happy with getting 1 DC, I really do, but at what cost to your own dignity did you get those twenty some odd jobs? How long will both sides sit back and take this back and forth crap until we stand together and throw the POLITICIANS out of OUR JOBS. I am supporting Vin Demarco, he has always been a decent and trustworthy person. He tells me he wants a better job for both C/O's and Deps and I firmly believe that he is sincere. I understand that a lot of C/O's will be aprehensive about supporting him, but the alternative is to sit back and let the current administration run OUR jobs into the dirt. Lets face it, next year they might be pissed off at the C/O's then what?

Sorry this post was so long but I have sat back and read all this crap for quite a while without responding.

[crazy like a fox]

INSIDE WORD CO'S WILL HAVE COUNTY COURT BY MID JUNE

[bb man]

How true is that???

[concerned again]

is the state going to award them this 6 and 3.5 or is it the county

[LYING ABOUT CONTRACT]

LIAR...LIAR....TRY AGAIN