how serious a threat are illegal aliens ??

[AmericanPatriot]

1 million illegal aliens are now entering our country each year. If a Mexican day laborer can sneak across our border, so can an al Qaeda terrorist. According to a Fox News poll, 79% of Americans support using the military to help secure U.S. borders.

Vicente Fox's success as Mexico's President is threatened by his country's terrible poverty. So he has a very ambitious plan to deal with it: export his poverty to the United States.

While Americans without health insurance struggle with the problem of how to pay for medical care, many Mexicans don't have that problem. They just ride in a Mexican ambulance across the border to a hospital in Arizona, New Mexico, California or Texas, and get free medical treatment. Who pays for it? , the tax payers in those four border states.

Acquiescing in Vicente Fox's demands would put hundreds of thousands of Mexicans onto the rolls of the U.S. Social Security system just as the first wave of baby boomers starts getting retirement checks. If the State Department has its way, up to $345 billion could be siphoned from the Social Security "trust fund" over the next two decades, mostly to people who worked in the United States illegally. This doesn't even count the cost of making them eligible for Social Security disability, a program already plagued by fraud.

The Bush Administration claims that these plans would promote "totalization" of U.S. and Mexican retirement systems and develop a positive relationship between the two countries. Totalization is the bureaucratic code word for this $345 billion ripoff of U.S. taxpayers.

If forgners work legally in the United States and pay Social Security taxes, they are entitled to recve the benefits they earned. But U.S. taxpayers should say "no" to Mexico's attempt to shift its social welfare burdens onto the U.S. taxpayers. Offering Social Security benefits to people who knowingly violate U.S. immigration laws would create a powerful new incentive for more illegals to enter the United States.

[Patriot]

Why does Fox news hate Mexicans? Why do conservatives hate Mexicans? Why do conservatives hate everything? Why are conservatives so fat? Why do conservatives not condemn Bill Fat Bennet for talking the talk but not walking the walk? The evils of conservatism are everywhere.
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Patriot:

Where does it say anything in the above message that anyone hates anyone...stop playing the race card when it comes to the growing problem of illegal immigration...its getting quite boring...

this is not a race issue...its a legal issue...until left wing liberals like yourself can get it straight in those thick heads of yours, you are completely hopeless...let me spell it out for you...

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS AGAINST THE LAW...WE ARE A REPUBLIC, AND AS SUCH MUST OBEY THOSE LAWS AS WE DONT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES WE WANT TO ABIDE BY...

If you want to know why illegal immigration is such a problem, I will be more than happy to outline it out for you. Just be prepared to lose the debate...let me know if you accept the challenge
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[Novice Visitor]

The U.S. "Border" nearest to L.I. is technically the imaginary line somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean where the casino boats head toward to legally allow the occupants to gamble.

Otherwise, you'd need at l a day to travel 900 or more miles south to find immigrants entering the country illegally. The crime occurs where the crime occurs, not on a street corner in Farmingville or Farmingdale or Freeport (hey, what's up with all the villages and towns with "f" and day laborers, huh?) so enough with the complaints about the ineffective I.N.S. - a day's pay for a day's work is the rule - and no work, no eat!
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I am very concerned about all these Ill eagles on Long Island. Long Island, as one of the wealthiest communities on earth, should take better care of thr ill eagles. We have so many veteranarians, that they should be able to fix all of the ill eagle problem. After all the eagle is our National bird, and we should make sure that they don't get sick.

Oh, never mind.

[SuzieQ]

A days pay for a day work may be the rule elsewhere but something more is happening here in Farmingville. We have illegals, hundreds of them, standing on the streets for the last year that are not getting work. If they are so desparate for work, why aren't they moving on to a place where they can get the work? How are they making thr rent, paying for thr cars and then sending the money back home? The working illegals are getting picked up at the slumhouses. This is no simple matter. There is more here than meets the eye. Who is subsidizing them?
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[Central Island]

This is for Suzy Q, I just want to tell you that you are abosolutly right on that.

[gopisback]

Word is that the ACLU, LULAC and MALDEF, as well as all other proponents of illegal immigration, are attempting to shift the power of the country to the left. They want to flood the population with minorities for thr own political agenda...and if you look at thr agenda closely, it fits right into place. Just look at the causes these organizations champion...


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[ACELAW]

The Ford Foundation is the money behind these groups mentioned above and others like
LA Raza, they want a new slave labor class that they can control and because of the mass numbers we will never be able to pull them out of this poverty. HMMM Taxpayers are not going to foot the bill,
Calif:38 billion in the hole, Twenty-ght percent of all workers in Los Angeles County are paid in cash as part of an underground economy that?s costing various governmental agencies and estimated $1.1 billion annually in safety net funding? There are approximately 5 million illegal aliens in California. Of the 6 million K-12 students in our public schools, 1.5 are illegal aliens, -each costing taxpayers $7,092 annually, or $16 billion annually. There are approximately 96,000 illegal alien births in California county hospitals annually, - all paid for by taxpayers. The average cost is $3,800, or $365 million annually.

These new citizen infants are eligible for TANF (welfare) benefits, and most of the illegal moms gladly cash thr welfare checks month after month after month. The average monthly TANF payment is $479. Although no one in the Department of Social Services seems to know how many illegal moms are involved in this scam, just the first year's batch of 96,000, not counting multiple births in previous or succeeding years, totals out at $552 million annually. And it's a good bet that if all the illegal moms' check cashing activity from all the years of rip-offs were added-up, just for the above three items, we'd be way over $5 billion annually. Then add another $557 million annually to incarcerate 25,000 illegal aliens in California prisons and we?re well on the way to $6 billion annually
There is a negative flow of native citizens out of Calif along with the hi-tech jobs, business are bng taxed to death and no skilled employees left, so they are leaving, Calif is asking the Feds for 300 billion bailout (projected 10 year deficit) We will all pay for them in our Federal taxes. Wake up left coast, I see it daily, coming to your town soon.

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How about bring out the hoods and ropes. Maybe have a party?

[Patriot]

Michelle Malkin is a loud-mouth right-wing anti-immigrant hate-spewing Bush acolyte with an agenda of her own. This country doesn't need the hate fomented by Michelle Malkin and her Clinton-hating ilk.

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Patriot
You better understand who the enemy is here, you attack your follow legal citizens and play into the hands of those that sit and laugh at you, HMMM useful idiot is what they call you.



"We have an aging white America.They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are shitting in thr pants with fear. I love it.", "We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."-- Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California." -- Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party

"In recent years a new International System has been developing, oriented toward the establishment of norms and principles of universal jurisdiction, above national sovergnty, in the areas of what is called the New Agenda...we have to confront ..... what I dare to call the Anglo-Saxon prejudice against the establishment of supra-national organizations." -- Vicente Fox, to Club XXI, Hotel Eurobuilding, Madrid, Spain 5/16/02

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this." -- Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo, Chicago on July 23, 1997.

"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot." -- Excelsior - The national newspaper of Mexico

"We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country.I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, 'I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back.'" -- Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor

"California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe." -- Mario Obledo, co-founder and President of MALDEF, 1968 to 1973; President of the League of United Latin American Citizens 1983-85, California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare 1975-82, awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Bill Clinton Obledo announced that he would burn the CCIR's "illegal immigration" billboard on 6/27/98, it was subsequently taken down

"We are practicing La Reconquista in California." -- Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos...non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"--Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

On Hispanics becoming the nation's largest minority: "This will be a call to arms," said Dallas lawyer Adelfa Callejo, a longtime advocate and member of the League of United Latin American Citizens. "We must now insist that we be heard. We will not tolerate bng ignored anymore." Hector Flores, national president of LULAC, said the latest census report will mean little if it's not backed up by action.

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". . . you are like the generals who command armies! We're in a state of war!" -- Armando Navarro, professor, University of California.

"They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions. They're right. We will take them over. . We are here to stay." -- Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council

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[Standish]

Boy, am I glad that I came over on The Mayflower.

[SuzieQ]

Boy, I am so proud of some of you guys.. I cannot believe it. You actually know what is going on. Most of the time when you try and let people know what is happening to our country, they think you are nuts. I know very well what is happening here in Farmingville. They are trying to break us. Advocate groups are supporting the activity on the street. They come down all the time and give the illegals handouts. The police are trying to keep a lid on it but the crime here is escalating incredibly. We have a big problem.
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[AntiCult Watcher]

Everyone is afraid of illegal immigrants,when your party promotes Marxists. The Independence party has been taken over by a Marxist, Social Therapy cult group with the help of your Governor and your elected officials. Your elected officials helped them with a few Democrats commit fraud. There are several lawsuits and investigations about this. This group is trying to bring thr sick Marxism to Long Island. Frank Mackay the Chairman of the Independence Party is helping them rippoff the taxpayers and the Independence party. He is a crook. Him and Bogart have state jobs and are doing consulting for the IDA, so this cult can get Government bonds. Frank MacKay will smile in your face and stab you in the back. To those true Americans take a good look at your elected officials. The lines between the party's is no more. They sell thr soul to Anti-Americans. If you want more information on Frank MacKay and his band of crooks, check out several websites, Ex-iwp.org, rick ross cult expert, publiceye.org. check out chip Berlet look under fred Newman and Lenora Fulani, adl Fred Newman and Lenora Fulani. These people have started to infiltrate several organizations. If you here of Social Therapy locations like the ones in Nassau county there are two stop them. We need true Americans to stop them. Forget immigrants we have enemies within. This group blamed America for 9-11 and have supported many terrorist groups throughout thr deceptive existence. They are trying to play like they agree with the Republicans, but they are hiding who they are. the best thing you could also do is drive Frank MacKay from Long Island. To all Long Islanders watch out the Communists have arrived in your town. If You want more write back and tell you where they are.

[Really POd]

Teen Charged in Hate Crimes
Cops say Mexicans targets of robberies


By Samuel Bruchey
STAFF WRITER

May 15, 2003


Suffolk detectives have arrested a Farmingville teen who they say was driving through ern Suffolk with a pellet gun looking for Mexicans to rob.

Michael J. Perso, 19, told detectives after his arrest Tuesday evening that he was targeting people he believed were Mexican because "he didn't like them," Fifth Squad Det. Lt. Edward Rlly said.

Within a 15-minute span on Tuesday, Perso, of 52 Abner Ave., robbed one man of $22, then targeted another, Rlly said.

About 7 p.m., Perso pulled up beside his second intended victim, who was riding a bicycle on Liberty Street in Patchogue, stuck his pellet gun out of the driver's window and demanded cash, Rlly said.

The victim, who police would not identify, told Perso he had no money, then quickly pedaled off, Rlly said.

But a witness noticed the license plate on Perso's green, late-model Hyundai and called police, Rlly said.

Detectives went to Perso's home, brought him to the Fifth Precinct in Patchogue and arrested him later that evening, Rlly said.

When detectives questioned Perso, he told them about the earlier robbery on County Road 83 in Holtsville, where he pulled up beside a pedestrian and demanded cash, Rlly said.

Perso was charged with second-degree robbery as a hate crime, and second-degree attempted robbery as a hate crime, authorities said.

If convicted of the robbery charge, Perso could recve a sentence of up to 25 years in prison. If convicted of the attempted robbery charge, he could serve as many as 15 years in prison, officials said.

A passenger in Perso's car, who police did not identify, has not been criminally charged, Rlly said.

Detectives later recovered the pellet gun from Perso's vehicle and located the second victim, who verified the crime, Rlly said.

Perso was arraigned yesterday in First District Court in Central . He was bng held at the Suffolk County jail in lieu of $7,000 cash bail or $14,000 bond.

He is due back in court today for attorney review, officials said. Perso's relatives could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Anyone with additional information about the incidents is asked to contact Fifth Squad detectives at 631-854-8552 or Crime Stoppers at 800-220-TIPS. All calls will be kept confidential.
Copyright ? 2003, Newsday, Inc.

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[SuzieQ]

You look at this as the fault of the citizens and legal immigrants of this country. I look at this as the fault of the Mexican Government for encouraging thr people to come across our borders. If the government wasn't so corrupt, they would be educating thr people, all of them, and industrializing thr country to provide jobs. They would not be sending them here for us, the middle class, to support. They tell them if they fail on the first try then try again and again. They do not care that they are jeopardizing thr lives. Yesterday a truckload of illegals was left abandoned on the side of the road in a refrigerator truck. I think about 18 of them died including a 7 year old child. Do you think this type of thing should be encouraged? I don't know why I answer your remarks as you do not seem to get it. Maybe you better take a break from this forum and read up on what is going on before you comment.
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[Medford]

Brilliant! Not only have you turned the non-issue Farmingville issue into a national crusade, but now you want to take it international!! You are now an expert on Mexico policy!! Brilliant!! SQL must be proud that thr representatives are so knowledgable!! You should volunteer for the diplomatic corps!! maybe you could do some good!!

[ACELAW]

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Something Rotten in Mexico
Our southern nghbor is a haven for murderers.



eri March observed an anniversary last week, but it was not one to be celebrated. One year ago last Tuesday her husband David, a Los Angeles County deputy sheriff, kissed her goodbye and left for work, making the long drive from thr home in Saugus, California to the Temple City sheriff's station. It was the last time she would see him alive.

At about 10:40 that morning, Deputy March was patrolling alone in Irwindale, a desolate area of rock quarries and gravel pits 20 miles or so of downtown Los Angeles. Detectives say he made a traffic stop on a Nissan Maxima driven by Armando Garcia, a methamphetamine dealer already wanted for attempted murder and weapons violations, a man who had vowed to kill any police officer who tried to arrest him. Garcia made good on this promise, dropping the deputy with several shots from a nine-millimeter handgun and leaving him to die in the street. A frantic witness called for help on March's radio, but the best efforts of paramedics and emergency room doctors were for naught. David March was 33.

I attended the funeral a few days later, and the scuttlebutt passing among the gathered cops was that the Maxima had been found and the suspect identified. Let's hope he doesn't make it to Mexico, I said to a colleague at the time. But as it happened that's exactly where Garcia went, and that's where he remains today, free to roam about and enjoy all the earthly pleasures forever denied to David March.

Armando Garcia is but one of many beneficiaries of our southern nghbor's enlightened justice system. More than sixty suspects wanted for murder in Los Angeles County alone are said to be taking refuge in Mexico, whose government is only too willing to see its criminals head for El Norte, yet inexplicably protects them when they return to hide from American courts. Though the Mexican government is corrupt from top to bottom, they nonetheless see themselves as bng above this nasty death-penalty business, which we in our depravity seek to impose on such as Armando Garcia. Staking out some minute pinnacle of the moral high ground, Mexico occasionally hands over fugitives wanted for lesser crimes, but refuses to extradite anyone facing the possibility of execution.

Teri March is seeking to exert pressure on Mexico and force the government to hand over her husband's killer and all the others currently on the lam south of the border. Visitors to a website established to honor her husband's memory can read her story and get the latest news on the effort to bring Armando Garcia to justice.

YOU MUST REMEMBER THIS
Recall now another miscarriage of justice, this one from 1992. In a scene that brought infamy to the intersection of Florence and Normandie Avenues at the outset of what became known as the Rodney King riots, television viewers watched in horror as truck driver Reginald Denny was pulled from the cab of his dirt hauler and beaten within an inch of his life by a pack of savages. One of Denny's attackers, Damian "Football" Williams, was seen throwing a brick at the already dazed and helpless Denny, striking him in the head from a distance of a few feet, then dancing triumphantly as his victim lay prostrate on the asphalt. Incredibly, a jury refused to convict Williams of attempted murder in the attack, finding him guilty only of the lesser charge of mayhem. He was sentenced to ght years in prison, but under California's sentencing rules he served only four and was paroled in 1997. (Explaining this to outsiders is like explaining relativity: A man goes away to serve an ght-year sentence but comes back only four years older.)

During Williams's trial we were treated to no small bit of sermonizing from his mother, Georgiana Williams, who held forth from the front porch of her home whenever a television camera came anywhere near the place. She alternately described her son as innocent or as having been caught up in the outrage over the acquittal of four LAPD officers in the videotaped beating of Rodney King. In any case, she wanted the world to know that Damian was "a good boy."

Of course he is.

To no one's surprise, save for perhaps his mother's, Damian Williams is once again headed for prison, this time for second-degree murder. Last week he and a co-defendant were convicted in the July 2000 shooting death of Grover Tinner at a South Central Los Angeles drug house. Williams faces a maximum of 35 years to life in prison when he returns to court for sentencing on June 13.

Good thing he didn't head for Mexico.










? Jack Dunphy is an officer in the Los Angeles Police Department. "Jack Dunphy" is the author's nom de cyber. The opinions expressed are his own and almost certainly do not reflect those of the LAPD management.





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[SuzieQ]

I am no expert but I know a lot more than you. Perhaps you should not waste time on this forum unless you have something valid to talk about. You can argue another point of view on illegal immigration and I can argue back, but make intelligent comments. I give my point of view with a reason. You just trash me because you do not like my point of view. There is the difference. Buck up and give me an intelligent point of view as to why we should encourage illegal entry into our country.
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[Joe Sixpack]

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[Neil Farbstein]

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[Medford]

Reading the stuff from sql has NRA written all over it. How much money is the NRA giving the sachem people to run these hate shows?

[seeme2]

Whatever happened to those Illegal Mexicans who brutally beat and raped a young woman and attacked her boyfriend in Queens? Happened only a few months ago. Why are the authorities hushing this crime like all the others? What about all the crimes committed by MS13 or Latin Kings? People are extremely tired of the leftists and politicians who support them and thr policy of censoring crimes committed by immigrants both legal and illegal.:">

[SuzieQ]

Instead of bng offended by my point of view, what you call Tunnelvision, give me information to back up your acceptance of illegal immigration and why we should embrace it? You only want to react to valid statements but do not give any legitimate information of your own to back up your opposing point of view. Perhaps I may agree with you but give me a chance to hear your side of this issue.
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[Joe Sixpack]

I cannot discuss anything with NRA-obsessed anti-immigrant freaks who import haters to fire up the masses.

[SuzieQ]

You are not worthy of any intelligent dialogue. Get off this forum fool!!!
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[Joe Sixpack]

No intelligent dialogue has come from Sachem for many a year. The place has become the racism capital of the world. The Sachem group fools no one.

[ACELAW]

Joe just short of a sixpac
If your a big fan of paying taxes for folks here illegaly please send check to Calif, LOL thay need the help.



California Is at Fiscal Brink
By JOHN M. BRODER

The New York Times
www.nytimes.com/2002/12/0...ALTAVISTA1
December 9, 2002

LOS ANGELES - When times were good and billions of dollars in income tax payments were pouring in from high-tech millionaires, California lavished raises on state employees, expanded health care benefits for the poor , cut taxes on car licenses and invested heavily in education [illegal aliens] and transportation.

Those days are over.

With its huge economy stalled and state revenues plunging, California has descended into its worst budget crisis in a decade and is now facing an excruciating round of budget cuts and possible tax increases.

State officials are proposing deep reductions in education, health services and other programs to deal with a budget shortfall that could total $25 billion in the next 18 months.

"That's a hole so deep and so vast that even if we fired every single person on the state payroll - every park ranger, every college professor and every Highway Patrol officer - we would still be more than $6 billion short," said the Assembly speaker, Herb J. Wesson Jr., a Democrat.

Gov. Gray Davis announced a series of steps on Friday intended to save $10.2 billion to plug a deepening hole in the current budget and to serve as a prelude to even deeper cuts in next year's. Mr. Davis proposed freezing pay for state workers and warned of large-scale layoffs. As many as 200,000 people could lose thr health coverage under the state Medi-Cal program. Payments to public schools and universities could fall by more than $3 billion.

And that is just the start. In January the governor must propose a budget for the fiscal year beginning in July that needs to address an expected $15 billion shortfall in revenues. Mr. Davis has not yet proposed tax increases, but given the deficit magnitude, they appear inevitable.

Other states are confronting similar problems, but California's size and the bursting of the dot-com bubble make the problem worse here.

The political combatants are entrenching along familiar ideological terrain. The powerful employee and teachers unions are vowing to resist the pay cuts and job losses that the governor's plan will require. Republicans have pledged to reject any new taxes, saying that the Democratic governor and Legislature spent thr way into the current morass and must find program cuts to claw thr way out.

Democrats respond that the budget shortfall results chiefly from a severe drop in revenue from taxes on capital gains and stock options from the market run-up of the late 1990's and that those lost revenues must be replaced with new taxes.

In 2000, the state recved $17 billion from taxes on capital gains and the cashing in of stock options, much of it from the technology industry. State officials estimate that the take from such taxes this year will be less than $5 billion.

California prides itself on its progressive income tax, with people earning high incomes paying a huge share of state taxes. The top 10 percent of filers pay 75 percent of personal income taxes. But when thr income drops, as it did when the technology boom went bust in early 2000, the state treasury crashes.

"Nobody expected the loss of revenues due to the drop in the stock market to be as severe as it has been," said B. Timothy Gage, the state finance director. "Nobody anticipated the truly staggering extent of the hit we took. States have not seen such drops since World War II."

California, which generates $1.3 trillion in annual output, is the fifth or sixth largest economy in the world. (The state is just above or just below France, depending on the state of the Euro.)


The current general fund budget of $78 billion represents about one-sixth of all state spending nationwide, but its current-year budget shortfall of $6.1 billion is fully a third of the cumulative state deficits across the country, according to a survey by the National Conference of State Legislatures.

Only five states - Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Idaho and Nevada - are in worse fiscal shape than California as measured by deficits as a percentage of the budget. In dollar terms, no other state comes close.

Because the California state constitution was amended in 1988 to protect spending on education and because of rapidly rising health care costs, the state has few options for reducing spending to plug the gap.

Mr. Wesson, the Assembly speaker, said it was "mathematically impossible" to balance the state budget without raising taxes.

"The way you do it is to put absolutely everything on the table, every concvable cut, every concvable way to raise taxes," he said. "Then you sort out what is the l painful and what is the most fair."

James L. Brulte, the Republican leader in the State Senate, said that raising taxes would not only be insufficient to stanch the red ink but would also throttle growth when the economy is sputtering.

State output fell by 2.3 percent in 2001, according to the Los Angeles Economic Development Corporation. The group estimates that the state economy will grow by a listless 0.8 percent this year. The unemployment rate is 6.6 percent (the national rate is 6.0 percent) and is expected to be worse next year. Slow economic growth and rising joblessness cause state tax revenues to plummet and increase costs for social services.

"You can raise the alcohol tax, the tobacco tax, the car tax, the income tax and sales tax and you still have a multibillion-dollar deficit," said Mr. Brulte, who represents Rancho Cucamonga and other bedroom communities of Los Angeles.

He said the only thing keepin! g the st ate afloat was consumer spending, which continues to grow, modestly.

"Raising taxes on consumers clearly would be counterproductive," he said. "Raising taxes on business, when we actually need business to step up and start investing more so we can continue the expansion, would also be counterproductive. Anything that has the tendency to restrain ther consumer spending or business investment will lead to an even larger deficit in California."

The problem is especially acute for county and local governments, which administer the programs that consume the bulk of the state budget - schools, Medicaid (known here as Medi-Cal), welfare and public safety.

Local officials fear that they will be hit hard by reductions in state revenue-sharing payments and in shifts in costs now borne by the state.

"They just expect us to make up the difference," said Pat Leary, the lobbyist for the California State Association of Counties.

Ms. Leary said she hoped Sacramento would rescind the cut in vehicle license fees that was passed in the dot-com boom. The cut amounted to $4 billion a year, money the counties now badly need to provide essential services.

"We use it to pay for sheriffs and foster care and others things, and if we lost that, it would be devastating to counties, absolutely devastating," Ms. Leary said.

Local school officials are worried, too. While the constitution guarantees public schools roughly 40 percent of state tax revenue, the state has been spending more than that share in recent years, and Governor Davis said on Friday that the overpayments were about to stop.

Wayne Johnson, president of the California Teachers Association, said the state already ranked 38th in spending per pupil, with class size among the largest in the country. Any additional reductions "would just push us further down in those rankings," he said.

Governor Davis took office at the beginning of 1999, with the high-tech industry roaring and unemployment at about 5 percent. He used the increased state revenues to invest heavily in schools and highways and to expand state-financed health services for children and the poor. The number of state employees grew from 282,000 at the beginning of his tenure to nearly 326,000 in 2001, according to the California Department of Finance. The biggest job growth came in two areas, prisons and state universities.

Republicans argue that this spending spree caused the current fiscal crisis. Davis administration officials say that half the spending was on projects that did not permanently add to the size of state government. Yet the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office projects that revenues are so far short of spending that the state will run deficits of $12 billion to $15 billion for the next five years even if the economy recovers.

In September, Mr. Davis and the Legislature approved several one-time economic fixes, including restructuring state debt and borrowing against anticipated revenue from the industry-wide tobacco settlement of 1998. But those were just stopgap measures that offered no help for next year or beyond.

"Given this, there is really no easy way out of the current predicament," said Elizabeth G. Hill, the Legislature's chief budget analyst, "and this makes it all the more important that the Legislature take advantage of the alternative budget-balancing approaches and options available to it."

Those include deep cuts in programs, suspension of pay increases for state employees, elimination of special tax breaks for business and consideration of tax increases on businesses ! and indi viduals. Property taxes, which were capped by Proposition 13 in 1978, are not an option for new revenue, so many analysts expect increases in so-called sin taxes on alcohol, tobacco and gambling.

"California has a very liberal legislature and thr easy answer is to pile more taxes on the business sector, which is already struggling," said Jack Kyser of the Los Angeles Economic Development Corporation. "And it's not just business that is nervous," Mr. Kyser said. "County and city governments are scared half to death.

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[seeme2]

Beginning to realize sixpack,shiela and kate are one in the same. No legitimate legs to stand on.Legally,ethically,morally,religiously.People who support corruption by looking the other way are also corrupt.

[skatha24]

To fight deflation we have turned to the printing press -- just like Mexico!

Within a few weeks the dollar has decreased to the Euro by 31%.

The collapsing dollar is doom for the U.S. financial markets, both bonds and stocks. In fact, such a collapse is the single greatest risk for the world economy according to leading economists.

How many more stock market rallies can we have? And why is it that everyone is selling dollars and turning to Euros? Has the world lost faith in the dollar. OPEC was considering turning to Euros... imagine buying petroleum and having a conversion rate at 31% or more.

I am not sure where our economy is going but when faith is lost in the dollar and our government is printing away paper money everyone in all parties should be concerned for America.

A report commissioned by former Treasury Secretary O'Nll puts the 'real' federal deficit at $44 trillion.
Incomes are flat or falling. People have more debt than ever. The government has obligations equal to more than 400% of the total GDP...an economy that seems to be slouching toward a printing press. Is this a good moment to buy stocks at 35 times earnings (the current P/E for the S&P) or bonds denominated in the currency of the world's leading debtor?

Please Respond to for I care to hear what any real American who truely loves thr country agree with what is going on? The WMD have already occured within our homeland in the financial markets.


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[NYURepublican]

(posted my reply in the tax cut thread) Edited by: NYURepublican at: 6/3/03 1:34:20 pm

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[WeirdMike23]

Patriot seems to be a good person, I'll have many ennemies here, but one question: who's land is it ? Who emigrated there ? Mexicans or Europeans ?

[ACELAW]

Struck on who lands is it ? We paid 3 countries for the US ,can you name them and are they also sending illegal aliens here to RECLAIM it under BS like that ? That is an old and tried excuse for illegal behavior.

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[firstnaftaaolcom]

As Republican Chairman of the Border Advisory Subcommittee, appointed by Orrin Hatch and the Republican Leadership, I am founder of the Mexican American Womens National Association. I am also the conservator for 3 totally disabled veteran brothers, and the daughter of the most highly decorated Hispanic navigator in the USAF. Do not ever question my patriotism conservatives who do not address the border intelligently. You do indeed forget the uniques statistics that reflect the economic co-dependence along the border. It is, by research under the Library of Congress for the Republican Leadership, an established fact that 47% of the local revenues within a six mile radius of the border on the USA side are Mexico generated, and that the historical relationship of of the majority of the southwest, including Texas, has as its mother-country Mexico and not England. The border has not been the entry point of terrorists, and rabid fear only legitimizes racism that has resulted in the death of children and pregnant women assasinated in 1994, 1997,-8, and has resulted in the violation of 17,013 recorded violations of both human and civil rights involving US citizens. Now those are simple facts. The only amusing factor in all this is the question as to why the land-hungry barons of manifest destiny did not just go and conquer all of Mexico instead of only half.

[OhNo]

First Texas and our southwest were controlled not by Mexico but by Spain. Spain also had colonized Mexico and is why Mexicans speak Spanish.To be proud of ones heritage is commendable but for too many hispanics it's a question of imposing thr culture on other's because thr right and everybody else has to accept that. All people who immigrated here learned our language and customs. The hispanics should do no less. Most hispanics who have lived here for decades and even generations become full fledged citizens who are patriotic as anyone. But to allow so many people to come into the country at once is destructive to our national unity.
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[SuzieQ]

The United States is a sovergn country with borders and we do not have to accept illegal immigration as a way of life. Just because they are here does not make it acceptable to the legal immigrants and citizens. We are a generous nation but some people think they have a right to break into our country and then we must take care of them. We are tired and fed up with this kind of behavior. Mexico did not back us up in the war on terror and Americans will not forget that kind of snub. Canada and France will not be forgiven ther. We should let them know how we feel by boycotting all French and Mexican goods.
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[PetieBoy]

I'm no expert on this issue, but I can't see how the rhetoric helps this issue. Very few immigrants have any nefarious purposes in coming here. I'd prefer to focus on those who do. I don't see illegal immigration hurting me, and people have many resources, and I don't see what is bng taken away from me by illegal immigrants. I also don't think opposers of illegal immigration are rascists, although there are a few bad apples in the opposition.

[SuzieQ]

Your attitude is typical of so many people. As long as something is not hurting you, it is alright. Well it is hurting you and me and everyone collectively. What happens to the people who are hit by a car driven by an illegal alien that has no license or registration? We pay for that in an upgrade in our car insurance. Who pays for them to go to the hospitals? We pay for that in surcharges and upgrades in our hospitalization. Who pays for the unemployed people who have thr jobs taken by illegal aliens? It goes on and on and you are so oblivious to everything as long as it does not hurt you. Shame on you!!! You better wake up or we will have no country.
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[YIKES]

Just the mindset of many politicians and business leaders that the economy prospers by letting in foriegners to work for inexpensive cheap labor is a dangerous precedent. There are many Americans in the millions who don't have it easy and have to work for barely minium wage.Thr salaries are kept real low by all this cheap labor.Many American laborers don't even have health insurance.Illegals help support a huge underground economy that pays no taxes.This robs the government of billions of dollars of taxes that could go into social security and other programs that help support the American worker.Illegals live mostly in illegal dwellings again robbing the single family homeowner of taxdollars he/she has to fork over while the slumlords keep thr take.Most slumlords houses are assessed as a single family house even though many families live in them.Our school districts suffer from this especially when children of illegals have to be taught at taxpayer expense required by law.This even though thr parents pay no taxes.In the town of Huntington multi millionaires who live far away from town get in some cases $1,000 a month rent from illegals to live in illegal dwellings.Do you think these slumlords pay all thr taxes on this income?Some slumlords actually recve taxpayer money(thats your money) to house people in illegal dwellings where many illegal aliens also live.Whats more there are many radical left wing extremist groups who are closely tied to the large influx of hispanics entering the country.While they may not represent all hispanic immigrants they do have a sizeable following in California and the American SouthWest. Some of thr propaganda leaflets were left at a meeting in Huntington. One of the writings included that the American government should be overthrown. This is horrendous stuff bng supported by the extreme left in this country and thr hispanic supporters. I and most people do not dislike the people of hispanic descent.Americans of all ethnic persuassions including hispanics have made this a rich and free country.But to see the extreme end of the immigration fiasco now in charge and in place is detrimental to us all. One more thing the government can not hide. The large influx of hispanics both legal and illegal have contributed to a large increase in gang activity.This also occurs among other newly arrived immigrants as well.Americans don't need this kind of diversity and it affects are safety and our financial security also.
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[Bill]

I feel that you would be a valuable asset to the America First party? Illegal immigration is a #1 priority in our party. Won't you join us???
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[NoMoreIllegals]

Here in California we are closing ER's all over the place because these maggots use 911 as thr own personal home doctor service.

They don't have to pay so why not.

If you don't think the Mexican's are costing the country, you are a blind lib and deserve what you end up with.


No More Illegals !!
nomorllegals.com/

[SuzieQ]

When St. Michael the ArchAngel Church was broken into and trashed awhile ago, why wasn't the town issued a follow up report in the Newsday?? Well as it turns out, three illegals broke into the church and trashed the altar looling for drug money. Newsday is so fair and balanced!! They only like to make the decent folks in town look bad but protect the illegal lawbreakers. I also heard that the bakery was broken into??? This is why we are out on the streets trying to expose the lawlessness and lack of enforcement by our politicians. Our town does not deserve to be treated in this way.
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[Whatsup]

BECAUSE OF THE HIGH RATE OF CRIME IN THE AREA ST. HUGHS HAS HAD TO LOCK IT'S DOORS BECAUSE OF ALL THE ROBBERIES. NEWSDAY IS TO FAR GONE TO EVER REPORT CRIMES COMMITTED BY ILLEGALS OR IMMIGRANTS IN GENERAL. WHEN I ENTER STORES THAT SELL NEWSPAPERS THERE ARE ALWAYS HUGE STACKS OF UNSOLD NEWSDAYS WHILE THE POST AND DAILY NEWS ARE ALMOST GONE. I HOPE THIS IS A TREND. THANKS FOR THE USEFUL INFORMATION SUZIE Q.
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you guys are down on the Catholic church for supporting illegals but you get all huffy when someone breaks into a Catholic church ..... you're not hiding your trail, are you?

[SuzieQ]

I am not huffy about the illegals breaking into the church. It is just ironic as that very same church just around Christmas time had the Mexican Consul in there giving out bogus matricular cards to the illegal aliens. You would think that the illegals would respect the sanctity of that church but as you can see, they do not give a damn about anything but themselves and trashed the church looking for drug money. Thankfully, New York State declared these cards illegal and will not accept these cards on government property. Some banks accept them and should be boycotted as the money is insured by Federal Funds.
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[CitizenCan]

NPG has learned that President Bush is pressuring congressional leaders to pass an extension of Section 245(i).

Section 245(i) is a loophole that, if extended, would allow illegal immigrants to pay a $1000 fine and apply for legal residence without first having to return to thr home countries and undergo more thorough screening there. (Eligible illegal immigrants must have found legal resident sponsors through marriage or employment.) This effectively nullifies measures in place to discourage illegal immigration and signals that there is no real penalty for violating U.S. immigration laws.

www.npg.org/activist.html

Is that for real?
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[SuzieQ]

That is a very dangerous concept. Like you said, that allows illegal aliens to become legal without the benefit of any background checks. That is what happened in the case of the Russian who was legalized in the last fiasco and then killed his family. Do you remember that? These folks already are criminals in that they broke into our country illegaly. Why would anyone in thr right mind want to reward them with legal status? I think our politicians do not have the guts to deal with them and the real problem is, they do not want to stop the flow of drugs that come across the borders. As I stated before, the drugs support the economies of all the South American countries in one way or another.
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[NoMoreIllegals]

I used to work for the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Working for the INS was a SIN in my view. The truth is no one knows for sure just how many illegal aliens are here. Estimates vary from 5 to 20 million or more. President Bush does not seem to care that America is bng overrun with people, who should have no rights at all, that are violating federal laws that usually carry a felony sentence in many instances. Many of these so-called "poor, helpless illegals who just want a better life" have long criminal records, are child molesters, worked as mules (group of physical laborers in illegal activity) helping to transport all sorts of narcotics along the northern and southern borders, and all sorts of other garbage. Illegal aliens should have no right to live, work, or even be allowed in America at any time. A law should be passed DENYING AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP TO THE CHILDREN OF ILLEGAL ALIENS! As far as I am concerned, if the parents are here unlawfully they and thr damn kids get sent back to where they belong. Mr. Bush, I truly hope you wake up and stop rewarding millions of illegal aliens with the privileges of American citizenship simply because you and many other elected politicians , who do not seem to give a damn about American citizens, see this group of scum as more votes to try to attain in the next election. You should also fire your choice to head up the Bureau of Immigration and Custom Enforcement. From what I have read, he has absolutely no law enforcement background. How in the hell can he do such a job then if he cannot relate to the other law enforcement personnel?!?

[WantaghDem]

...that the problem is YOU?

If you replaced "illegal aliens" with "space aliens" in all of your paranoid writings, you'd see how completely RIDICULOUS you all sound.

Yeah, right, there's TENS OF MILLIONS of illegal aliens, all sipping frozen margaritas while civil service workers massage them and give them free dental care.

Right.

Almost every one of you crazies uses the phrase (or something like it) "why doesn't President Bush to anything to stop this?" or "why doesn't anyone care that ..."

Maybe - JUST MAYBE - it's because the problem ISN'T NEARLY AS CRITICAL AS YOU PRETEND IT IS.


And by the way, I have to spank you on this:

"estimates vary from 5 to 20 million or more. "


No, they don't. They really, really don't.

The OFFICIAL number from the Census Bureau is SEVEN MILLION. There are no other "estimates" except from conspiracy theorists.

Even conservative organs like national review agree with that.
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[Sachem]

In your last posting, you used divisive and derogatory language when you wrote,

"...you crazies..."

That's where your wrong. The people who yell and complain the loudest about what and whom they see as a "illegals" problem, are the very same people who saved thr hard-earned money, packed up thr stuff, and moved to such wonderful places in the wide open spaces like, oh, say, Farmingville or any other Suffolk county town that's populated with hundreds of thousands of simular people who came from somewhere else. (Like maybe New York city and its boros).

See, Wantagh Dem, because they came from somewhere else and they think they can make "thier own little world" anyway they want ( like by throwing out "illegals" or anybody else they dont like - not hate), these people aren't "Crazies" like you said - they really truly believe that thr incredibly illogical thinking is correct and, in more ways than they know, "right."

What I'm torked off at is that my ancestors, the so-called "native american" who for hundreds of years has put up with the Euro-greedy settlers, we have to stand idly by while one of our most revered leaders, Sachem, gets his name associated with a group that was "outsiders" until they moved here, and now anybody who they don't like is ostercized only because they're "different."

I'm sure these people would, if they could ever get "rid' of thr undesirables who hang out at 7-11, start rallying and protesting to have the 7 - 11 closed down too.

[SuzieQ]

Don't be so quick to shoot off your big mouths. Have you ever been in Farmingville in the mornings between 7/9 AM? Before you pass judgement on the folks in Farmingville, specifically SQL, please come down and view what is going on here. Apparently you both come from an area that is not effected by this or, in fact, only mildly. This is going to get worse not better if folks like yourselves do not understand what is happening around you. There is no comparison between this and the "native Americans." You have no idea what you are talking about. This is a quality of life issue and not a personal attack on any one group of people. I cannot understand, if you are educated people, that you do not see the underlying issues involved with illegal immigration? This issue impacts all of us and especially the new legal immigrants as services that are provided for them are bng abused by the illegals and the legal immigrants are bng pushed aside. The legal immigrants come here with thr families and need the entry level jobs to get a foothold in America. These jobs are bng taken away by the illegals. Put your sympathy with the people who deserve it and stop bashing people who do not agree with your ideals.
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Illegal Aliens Get Welfare When in Limbo
THE PRUCOL LOOPHOLE
Some think that illegal aliens cannot recve welfare benefits, but they can, as a result of a provision known as PRUCOL (Permanently Residing Under the Color of Law). PRUCOL means a status that has the appearance of, but not the substance of, a legal right. This is not a status created by legislation, but rather one created by the courts. When an alien is designated as PRUCOL, it means that he/she technically has no right to be here, but is allowed to stay anyway. And, since the illegal alien is allowed to stay, he/she gets the same rights as if he/she were here legally. The exception is that a PRUCOL alien is not a legal permanent resident and may not apply for U.S. citizenship. This means that the PRUCOL alien may not sponsor the immigration of family members.

WHO IS GIVEN PRUCOL STATUS?
In general, aliens are considered PRUCOL if:

- they are in the United States illegally, and
- the INS knowingly permits them to remain in the U.S. rather than enforce departure.
HOW IS PRUCOL DETERMINED?
This designation, created by federal agencies in conjunction with the courts, applies to four federal programs to determine whether an illegal alien is eligible for benefits:

Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC);
Supplemental Security Income (SSI);
Medicaid, and
Unemployment Insurance benefits.
Each program determines for itself which aliens it considers to meet the PRUCOL criteria. In this way, the federal government uses taxpayers' money to subsidize illegal immigration. Furthermore, many state governments follow the federal government's lead, and give benefits to PRUCOL aliens.

Examples of illegal aliens who might qualify as PRUCOL include:

- aliens who have been here for more than twenty years;
- aliens who have been granted stays of deportation by the courts;
- aliens who are not bng deported because of U.S. citizen children;
- aliens whom, for political reasons, the government is not deporting (such as Salvadorans and Cubans).
PRUCOL is just one of the ways that illegal immigration to the United States is encouraged and rewarded by our present sytem, and a demonstration of why we need comprehensive reform.


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