FREEZING ENTITLEMENTS

Newsday recently reported that Suozzi had County employees campaigning for him throughout the State. They questioned the legality.

One West replied that while there were County employees doing campaign work, they were doing so on their own time.

One West specifically reported that ..."SOME EMPLOYEES USED A VACACTION DAY..." to get off from work, then do the campaigning.

Which leads to the question: How then can the NCPD along with the County 'FREEZE' and deny any other employee use of their VACATION time or Holiday time.

NCPD recently imposed this to an entire command. The Collective Bargaing Agreement specifically spells out these entitlements. It specifically grants 13 holidays a year to ALL employees, yet now they are saying en employee is denied use of Vac or Holiday time, regardless if anyone is even off that day.

The Union: File a grievance. We all know that takes many months to work its way through the system.

The penalty to the County or Captain of NCPD self imposing this rule?

Where do they come off denying vacation without declaring a countywide fiscal emergency? This should be made public by the unions. Your right, it's okay to use vacation days if your doing political work for Souzzi, but it's not okay to use your EARNED entitlements FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. This is outrageous.

THE HOLIDAYS ARE COMING. SO IS ELECTION DAY. wHERE IS NEWSDAY WHEN BIG NEWS LIKE THIS IS BEING MADE.

CAN YOU GO TO COURT AND GET AN INJUNCTION AGAINST UNION AND COUNTY? I THINK YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT WITHOUT A LAWYER. IS THIS CRAP ALSO BEING PULLED ON THE OFFICE STAFF THERE? WHAT ABOUT THE UNIFORMED MANAGEMENT WHO BELONG TO A STRONG UNION?

PEOPLE TAKE THAT JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD WITH LONG, THREE DAY SCHEDULES - WORKING MOTHERS ETC. WHO WILL MAKE A TURKEY FOR THEIR CHILDREN?

IF YOU CANNOT TAKE YOUR VACATION (LIKE FLOATERS - LINCOLN'S BIRTHDAY ETC) AND YOU ARE REQUIRED TO USE THEM BEFORE 12/31` DO YOU LOSE THE DAY? I THINK YOU HAVE ONE HELL OF A DISCRIMINATION CASE. OFFICIALLY REQUEST THE DAYS IN WRITING, FORCE THEM TO REPLY MEMO THEM THAT IF YOU RECEIVE NO ANSWER BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE, YOU WILL TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION, MAIL REQUESTS CERTIFIED, COPY THE LATE COMM. LAWRENCE, ASK DELA RABA FOR ADVICE AND BACKING. IS THIS HAPPENING TO FIRE COMMUNICATIONS? WHY NOT?
COME TO WORK ON HOLIDAYS WITH YOUR CHILDREN - AND YOUR PETS.

DO NOT TAKE THIS - SIC YOUR IGUANAS ON MANAGEMENT! I HAVE A BOA CONSTRICTOR YOU CAN BORROW IF YOU PROMISE HE WILL GET FED.

Is this the usual way the NCPD retaliates when someone speaks up? What does the labor relations office of the county have to say about this? Have you asked them if this is official county policy and, if so, could they explain it to you in writing.

Has anyone provided NCPD management with a copy of the CBA? What is your union doing for you and how fast are they reacting?

Does Suozzi, wherever he may be, support this? He may have to come back to Nassau some day - wait until he sees how many law suits his managers brought on and laid at his door step. One worker who is not visible in other actions should test this.

The Command refuses to put anything in writing on this matter. They say that the CO's 'word' is as good as an order and we don't need an order.

They are NOT giving denial slips either. Their reply is that they are not denying the VAC or HOLIDAY's...but rather, they are not granting them.

WHAT BS....Have we entered a COMMUNIST era? Never heard of such a thing

What happened? You women never complained before! We did anything we liked to you and you never opened your mouths. Where did this spine come from? Lawsuits no less. You're suing us for equal pay.

The Command refuses to put anything in writing on this matter. They say that the CO's 'word' is as good as an order and we don't need an order.

They are NOT giving denial slips either. Their reply is that they are not denying the VAC or HOLIDAY's...but rather, they are not granting them.

WHAT BS....Have we entered a COMMUNIST era? Never heard of such a thing

In DSS the saying by mgt. is, "If is is not in writing, it did not happen"
There is a police protocol for how we are to interact. Call your liaison in NCPD for DSS and see if there is anything in there for you. I doubt it but leave no stone unturned.

I say, ask when this stupidity is to end - see if they will schedule a vacation in January - then use your sick time now and vac time later - HR uses them interchangeably - double check how your HR handles someone out of sick time and get that in writing - Because you cannot take phone calls during work time.

Out smart them, then shut up - that should not be too hard.

Don't you have a sick leave policy? Ours is so strictly enforced thay put you on an abuser list after 8 days even if your in the hospital. Good ole Souzzi. Wonderful guy.

Don't you have a sick leave policy? Ours is so strictly enforced thay put you on an abuser list after 8 days even if your in the hospital. Good ole Souzzi. Wonderful guy.

There's one uniform sick leave policy under the current union contract. After 3 days of being out sick, under supervisor discretion a Dr note might be needed. All it has to say is you were in their office and can return to work on such and such a date even if you return days after the date on the note. If you out for an extended illness then a Dr not indicating you're under their care and cannot return to work at present. Thereafter a monthly Dr note is needed to satisfy the payroll dept. 1 West St may not like it but they have to live with it.

Is this the usual way the NCPD retaliates when someone speaks up? What does the labor relations office of the county have to say about this? Have you asked them if this is official county policy and, if so, could they explain it to you in writing.

Has anyone provided NCPD management with a copy of the CBA? What is your union doing for you and how fast are they reacting?

Does Suozzi, wherever he may be, support this? He may have to come back to Nassau some day - wait until he sees how many law suits his managers brought on and laid at his door step. One worker who is not visible in other actions should test this.

Your union has already notified the NCPD that this is in violation of the CBA. They are meeting with Lawrence this week to see if he will listen to reason. If not, they will be holding a press conference to show what bad management can do and why change is needed. I called the office and spoke to one of the union officials there. Don't be so quick to kiil the people who will fight for you. As for ALL CAPS, I've been told she's been suing everybody she meets and hasn't won a thing because she talks a lot of crap without legitimate facts.

That is very good that the Union called NCPD to advise them they are in violation of the CBA.

You don't think they KNOW this already. They laugh at the Union and the workers. They could care less about the lowly workers.

They (both sides) further know that a grievance process will bring them to January when they will relax this freeze for another 6 months.

And a press conference? Do you think the general public cares that you are not getting your entitlements. All the public cares about is that there is a highly paid, skilled, trained police officer at their door step to tell their neighbor to lower the music or have the youths stop playing ball in the street at 8PM at night or move a garbage bag in the middle of the street.

The public cares less about civil servant entitlements and the freezing of them.

You stand a better shot with PERB and EEOC. They will serve the PD and the Union.

I sincerely doubt the PBA is letting this happen without a fight. The CSEA on the other hand.....

Is this the usual way the NCPD retaliates when someone speaks up? What does the labor relations office of the county have to say about this? Have you asked them if this is official county policy and, if so, could they explain it to you in writing.

Has anyone provided NCPD management with a copy of the CBA? What is your union doing for you and how fast are they reacting?

Does Suozzi, wherever he may be, support this? He may have to come back to Nassau some day - wait until he sees how many law suits his managers brought on and laid at his door step. One worker who is not visible in other actions should test this.

Your union has already notified the NCPD that this is in violation of the CBA. They are meeting with Lawrence this week to see if he will listen to reason. If not, they will be holding a press conference to show what bad management can do and why change is needed. I called the office and spoke to one of the union officials there. Don't be so quick to kiil the people who will fight for you. As for ALL CAPS, I've been told she's been suing everybody she meets and hasn't won a thing because she talks a lot of crap without legitimate facts.

THE MESSAGE WAS LOUD AND CLEAR. IT CAME FROM SUOZZI DIRECTLY TO JERRY L. AND HE REPEATED IT TO ME. - IF YOU WANT MONEY FROM NASSAU YOU HAVE TO GO TO COURT. SUOZZI THREW DOWN THE GAUNTLET. I HAVE ONE LAWSUIT PENDING. I HAVE NEVER LOST A LAWSUIT AND DO NOT INTEND TO. YOU, MY DEAR, ARE GETTING CLOSE TO SLANDER AND YOU HAD BETTER BE CAREFUL. AND BY THE WAY, LET JERRY DO HIS OWN TALKING AND THINKING. BUSINESS IN A BUSINESSLIKE MANNER. SEE YOU SOON D.

The problem is not Jerry, I honestly believe he is trying to represent us and NOT become just another crooked player. There was already so much anger at the UNION prior to Jerry.
The following is where it stems from:
1994 VERTICAL PROMOTIONS
1.) Anthony Guistino went from Rec. Sup II to Rec. Sup III.
He went from Grade 13, step 9 to Grade 15 step 9.
His pay went from $48,676.00 to 60,594. His promtion was worth $11,918.00.
2.) Jane D"Amico Prob Off I to Prob. Off. II
She went from Grade 13 step 9 to Grade 14 step 9.
Her pay went from 48,676.00 to 55,511.00.
Her promtion was worth $6,835.00.

How did they get vertical promtions in 1994 when county workers are still losing steps (years) in 2006. Even with winning a greivance about steps...those in 1999 and 2000 are left out. It is costing them thousands of dollars and effecting retirements. I would like to see Guistino testify in a court of law HOW he and Jane did this. It will happen one day.

The problem is not Jerry, I honestly believe he is trying to represent us and NOT become just another crooked player. There was already so much anger at the UNION prior to Jerry.
The following is where it stems from:
1994 VERTICAL PROMOTIONS
1.) Anthony Guistino went from Rec. Sup II to Rec. Sup III.
He went from Grade 13, step 9 to Grade 15 step 9.
His pay went from $48,676.00 to 60,594. His promtion was worth $11,918.00.
2.) Jane D"Amico Prob Off I to Prob. Off. II
She went from Grade 13 step 9 to Grade 14 step 9.
Her pay went from 48,676.00 to 55,511.00.
Her promtion was worth $6,835.00.

How did they get vertical promtions in 1994 when county workers are still losing steps (years) in 2006. Even with winning a greivance about steps...those in 1999 and 2000 are left out. It is costing them thousands of dollars and effecting retirements. I would like to see Guistino testify in a court of law HOW he and Jane did this. It will happen one day.

Very true and accurate. But, did you know she was the very first person paid by the county under that rediculous 64-01 grievance? That was over two years ago, and yet we still have some people who are waiting for that payment.
Jane ruined this union, and we all are paying for it now. The current union guys are trying and fighting. They get some wins here and there, but like the above writer wrote, the big damage was done by the sellouts Jane and Tony. We need to get rid of Suozzi!

Let us give Suozzi his due. His trigger mouth, once shot off, can be used as the basis for holding the county feet to the fire in a federal court.

The emperor's new clothes sort of thing, when used properly, can be helpful. The old regime would play "Lets make a deal." We do not know what Suozzi will be replaced with. Sometimes the enemy you know, once in your crosshairs, is a better target.

All of the lawsuits prove one thing and it is something the union has to co-own. The way promotions, upgrades, salaries, steps and all that is a pitiful embarrasment to all in this county and has to be completely revamped, Meanwhile, all those hurt by the mess that exists now have to be made whole = NOW.

I can do a fairly tough sudoku within a reasonable amount of time - sometimes its hard but I can do it.

Have you ever stared at a set of salary charts for a particular year? I believe this is a plot to prevent any employee from ever figuring out if his check is right. Some lose steps, some do not - what does that depend on. I did my homework and i know. boys go vertical and girls have to go back steps. Some folks are at step 11 and get to stay there when promoted - maybe 98% of them ----unless you are a 911 operator - then you could lose plenty of steps.

A girl in the comptrolers office with 18 years at Nassau and 4 promotions is now at step 9. How long will she have to work to get top pay. She better not ever accept another upgrade.

Boys are not put back steps if their job title starts with the word Fire. Why is that? A boy working with a bunch of women gets screwed. Why is that.??????

If you were promoted and put back steps and work in a female dominated field of work, try to figure out how much money you lost. Your will become angry. When you get angry, post your anger here. For some of you its a downpayment on a house. Others will have to settle for a new car or a year's tuition at a private college.

If you cannot figure it out, whose fault is that? I say its not your fault. Let's talk more after you have tried it.

HOW MANY OF YOU HAD TO HAVE A DEGREE AND A RELIABLE CAR TO GET A JOB IN NASSAU? THEY TOOK YOUR RESERVED SPACE AWAY FROM YOU, BUT WANT YOU TO DRESS NICELY. TO GET PROMOTED, YOU HAD TO PAY TO TAKE A TEST, DIDN'T YOU

FIRE COMMUNICATIONS ARE THE SAME GRADE - NO COLLEGE, NO CAR (YET THEY HAVE RESERVED PARKING) AND TWO UPGRADES WITHOUT A TEST. ISN'T THAT SPECIAL.......................

THEIR GRADE IS THE SAME AS YOURS AND THEY HAVE BIG SCREEN TV FOR THE QUIET MOMENTS. DOES DR. SKOLNICK AGREE WITH THIS?

ARE YOU TOO AFRAID TO COMPLAIN? WOULD YOU CONTRIBUTE TO A LEGAL FUND IF YOUR NAME WERE NOT USED? THINK IT OVER, WE'LL TALK AGAIN SOON.

That's only if you call in 3 days in a row.

Don't you have a sick leave policy? Ours is so strictly enforced thay put you on an abuser list after 8 days even if your in the hospital. Good ole Souzzi. Wonderful guy.

There's one uniform sick leave policy under the current union contract. After 3 days of being out sick, under supervisor discretion a Dr note might be needed. All it has to say is you were in their office and can return to work on such and such a date even if you return days after the date on the note. If you out for an extended illness then a Dr not indicating you're under their care and cannot return to work at present. Thereafter a monthly Dr note is needed to satisfy the payroll dept. 1 West St may not like it but they have to live with it.After 3days in a row sick you'll need a note

Forget using your sick time. You have entitlements. You should be filing (or listen to those willing to file on your behalf) PERB and EEOC complaints.

This is NOT a County wide freeze. Suozzi has stated in Newsday that County Employees ARE campaigning for him, but NOT on County time.

He stated that some employees are using their VACATION entitlements for their day off which makes the campaigning legal. They are then doing it on their time, which makes it legal.

How does he justify denying certain employee's certain their entitlements, and granting some chosen employee's VAC time for his enrichment.

Who is this CO that is doing this. WRITE DOWN NAMES/TIMES/EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAY...this is all needed for a EEOC filing.

You still don't get it. Is it that you do not know that there are bigger fish to fry, or is it that you fear trying to take your stand and get paid like the men?

You know, I don't really mind getting paid less than the men in Nassau County. Really I don't. My problem is that the CE won't give me a break on my house taxes because I am a woman. And you know they charge me the same for gas and chopped sirloin. I can hardly make it on my smaller salary and I got kids too.

Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe women weren't meant to be homeowners, or have cars they have to buy gas for. Maybe I should forget the good hamburger and buy the junk, or maybe I could put out for some guy and he'll buy me dinner.

Teach that to your daughters, bercause if we do not change this now, little Tiffany will be putting out all her life too.

who is Tiffany?

Tiffany is the female child of parents, or maybe one parent, who encourage their sons to get good grades and go to college more than they encourage their daughter. Just keep your looks up and learn to flirt with the guys who will have a good job and then snag them.

Tiffany dear, wifehood and motherhood is the best thing for you and you will be so good at it - just like your mother. Get a clerk's job and start shopping for a meal ticket. You can get pregnant and feel safe because your husband will provide. If he skips out, social service and family court will get the money out of him and you can get a job. If you can't find a nice apartment, Mom and Dad (or in half the cases just Mom ) will take you in and give you and your kids a place to live. Mom will watch your kids while you go out and get underpaid. Take civil service exams like you father did. They love working mothers at the county.

[Tiffany?]

I have daughters and I taught them never count on a man. I wouldnt think of teaching my female children to give out to get. (maybe thats what you have to do) I taught my daughters "ALWAYS STAND ON YOUR OWN 2 FEET AND DONT COUNT ON ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER". They are not making alot but if you teach them how to save from the very beginning you wont worry about them at all. Just because you didnt learn lifes lessons doesnt mean we all aswoman dont. GEEZ!!!!!! :roll:

This is the major difference between men and women in the workplace. Women say "I can do that...I know how to do that also...oh...yeah I'll help with that other project too"....and so on...MEN SAY "YOU CANT DO IT WITHOUT ME"...and thus get paid the correct amount. What the prior poster is trying to say is that women in the county do way more than their fair share..When the project is successful, some man takes credit. If it fails...the woman is blamed. When a woman performs duties way above her title without getting recognized she HURTS the rest of us. When she is willing to do extra for nothing she ensures the system that keeps women down will stay in place. There are options in the civil service system to get your extra duties recognized..its a CS5 form. When a female does extra for NOTHING she ensures that no one will ever get promoted to that higher position.

I have a difficult situation. Recently a friend who does a great job for the county, has for years and is functioning way above her title informed me that she was asked by top management if she knew she had a good lawsuit. She said yes. She was asked if she was the type to sue. She said no. management said to her that, in that case, he would do something for her.

What I think will be done is a supervisors list will be killed, her name will be plucked off the lower end of that list and she will be upgraded to a sup's job.

Because she reveres and believes in THE MAN she was used all these years. All these years promises to her were broken. Now she is to be used by management to flaunt the civil service system we all participate in. She literally does not understand that she is being used as a weapon against the rest of us. These concepts elude her, she just knows how to work like a dog for THE MAN and wait years and years for some kind of reward.

I have tried and tried to explain this to her to no avail. The more savvy of her fellow workers shun her. I do not but now she is flying in the face of all that I know is fair. She brings new meaning to the phrase"In denial". Does anyone have any suggestions?

Just the fact that she rushed to tell me all about this indicates to me that she is clueless.

It is very difficult to sell cows when just about the whole herd is giving the milk away - free.

The only suggestion I have for you is to study brain surgery and get to work on them - they are just about a lost cause and very dangerous to thinking women.

YOU DON'T APPEAR TO HAVE ANY TOLERANCE FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK DIFFERENTLY THAN YOU DO.

How you think makes you act the way you do. you are free to act any legal way you want. But in these cases what you do affects what I get. An example for you the boss wants all of us at Nassau to take on an additional function on top of all that we already do. half of us say that this is out of title and we want to be paid more for more and higher work. You and those who think your way sidle up to the boss and say, don't worry, me and my friends on the job will get the new work done too.

Who wins - not us and not you. You don't get a raise or promotion, you just get a pat on the head and a thanks from the boss. Is that what you come to work for? You make it impossible for me AND YOUR DAUGHTERS to get ahead. Think about is and tell me how you rationalize what you do. I know A GIRL working out of title on a pat on the head for 10 years and she never got anything for it - just undelivered promises - that is not good enough for me but I guess it makes you happy. I do not respect you for what you do.

You know what my lawyer said ...This the difference between men and women in the workplace. Women say "I can do that", oh..I can do that too..and I'll get that done too". MEN SAY "YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT ME". Men get paid their rightful salaries ...women don't. All you women out there who think these men care about you , YOU'RE WRONG. If the project goes well...some man takes the credit. If it doesnt work..it was the low level female that screwed it up. BUT ...most of all you do extra for nothing..so your fellow female employee can't get PROMOTED to that job.

You know what my lawyer said ...This the difference between men and women in the workplace. Women say "I can do that", oh..I can do that too..and I'll get that done too". MEN SAY "YOU CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT ME". Men get paid their rightful salaries ...women don't. All you women out there who think these men care about you , YOU'RE WRONG. If the project goes well...some man takes the credit. If it doesnt work..it was the low level female that screwed it up. BUT ...most of all you do extra for nothing..so your fellow female employee can't get PROMOTED to that job.