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who
04-17-2003, 05:06 PM
The Nassau Republican Party has a problem stemming from its myopic approach to developing candidates. The current squad of executive leaders has a reputation of caring more for lining its own pockets than promoting the welfare of the party. The Chairman recently moved from his modest Levittown manse and now lives in ...

Candidates are routinely selected not for talent or vision, but nepotism or cronyism.

All the talk of "taking back the ________" (insert "county", "town", "city", etc.) is nonsense without some talent pool. None of the higher ranking electeds (state senators included) stepped up to the challenge in the county because there was too much personal risk regardless of what the Party needed. The Nassau Republican Party lacks leadership and vision.

It's true on every level and is not limited to any town.

The Party's a dinosaur wholly lacking in young talent.

It's time for a wholesale rebuild, but who do we have in terms of leadership, candidates and future leaders?

Your comments please ...
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04-18-2003, 02:34 AM
But, until there is some movement at the top, it will be hard for anything to perculate. While we have a few very accomlished elected officials (especially among the Senators), there is an appalling lack of LEADERSHIP.
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04-18-2003, 04:55 AM
No party needs leadership and vision, as long as they have brain-dead, cult-like and blind constituents that are unable or unwilling to hold them accountable to thr declared party principles.
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RepWard
04-18-2003, 06:05 AM
"brain-dead, cult like and blind constituents" that sounds more like the democratic party to me. Democrats tend to vote for Democrats no matter what, its republicans that actually put some thought into thr voting.
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EXCELSIOR
04-18-2003, 12:43 PM
FOR SOMEONE SHOWING A LIL REPUBLICAN SPIRIT .GEE WHY DOES IT SOUND LIKE A STAND UP ROUTINE EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVE PROBLEMS HERE.SOOOOOOOOOO LETS FIX IT ENOUGH TALK LETS SEE ACTION WHAT WILL WE DO AS REAL REPUBLICANS TO CHANGE THINGS?OR WILL WE JUST SIT HERE AND TYPE ANGERLY.GET UP GET OUT CHANGE IT, ITS BROKE FIX IT, YOU WANT REFORM LETS GO,;LETS FIGHT NOT LAY DOWN .LETS UNITE BEHIND THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND PUSH PUSH PUSH. WE CAN DO IT.AS TO YOU DEMS WHO LOVE TO POST HERE TO INCITE OTHER REPUBLICANS. BRING IT ON!!!!!!!
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No Affiliation
04-18-2003, 02:42 PM
What is conservative/republican about Governor Pataki?? He is anti-gun, pro-illegal alien, pro-choice, pro-benefits to illegal aliens,....but yet he was elected by people who call themselves conservative/republican..?? See my point about brain-dead cult-like constituents??
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04-18-2003, 11:56 PM
disgruntled taxpayer,
To me the term "moderate republican" means someone with thr finger in the wind. Additionally, it gives them the absolute flexibility to vote anywhere from conservative to liberal on any given issue without bng held to a party platform. Pataki is a liberal. What crime measures did he implement?? He punished law abiding gun owners for the actions of criminals. That is like taking your drivers license because someone else is speeding! He supports illegal aliens.

On the other hand you may have suggesting that the people who call themselves republican/conservative that elected Pataki are only moderately brain-dead and cult-like??

true GOPer
04-19-2003, 06:46 AM
yes disgruntled taxpayer is correct! and the smokong ban was a prime example of the type of issue that brings people together, if its explained as anti-property rights and anti-business. i dont smoke and never have, but little by little our rights are bng taken away and the republicans are afraid to challenge the democrats on these issues. gun control is another example, on the local level and in nys, republicans wimp out on these type of issues!!

a real republican, a true republican - john faso, ran last year and didnt wimp out on any issues and he only got 2% less than george pataki!! and faso ran against a much stronger candidate than pataki did! it shows that a conservative republican can run true, even in ny and not lose votes!!

republicans - get some backbone!!!
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04-19-2003, 11:09 AM
disgruntled taxpayer,
When it comes to the second amendment or the Bill of Rights, there is NO COMPROMISE!!!!! Pataki has attacked the second amendment. Nothing else matters when someone attacks the Bill of Rights.
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04-19-2003, 06:32 PM
Extremism will get us nowhere.

I agree that the smoking ban and the lack of leadership on the Republican side is troubling. We lose our liberties by inches.

Why should the government prevent us from doing something legal in a social setting? If you don't smoke and mind the smoke, DON'T go into the bar. Period. I don't smoke but understand this simple concept.

It's a typical democrat who tries to impose his/her ideals on others to protect them from themselves. Seat belts, helmets, smoking ban, etc. Each is sacrosanct as bng for "safety", but why shouldn't each adult be able to make up his/her own mind?

The government has no place in our lives other than to provide basic services and require basic care for children. Beyond that and it is interfering.

Republicans must wake up to the fact that people are starved for leadership. They want to be inspired.

If you don't stand for something...
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04-19-2003, 11:19 PM
disgruntled taxpayer,
Yes, I am a NRA member as well as a local gun club. Pataki BETRAYED the NRA who supported him. The way to get the GOP to acknowledge the gun issue or any issue for that metter is to make it cear that you are not brain-dead and cult-like and you WILL vote against the GOP if they betray your issue. That is why I am no affiliation. I will not give unconditional support to any party/candidate. Performance talks/BS walks. The NY republicans must wear out a lot of shoes!!

When George W. Bush announced he was a candidate for president, gun owners nationwide lobbied the Bush campaign with the following message. If you select New York anti-gun Governor Pataki as your running mate, gun owners nationwide will vote Libertarian and you will lose and Al Gore will be president.
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04-19-2003, 11:31 PM
WHO,
You say extremism will get us nowhere. Of course surrenderism will surely get you somewhere. It will take you down fast. From a relative vantage point if someone has no vertebrae, then having one vertebrae makes you an extremist.
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ITS SUNDAY MORNING
04-20-2003, 05:19 AM
ITS SUNDAY MORNING, GO TO SLEEP!

Tom Paine
04-21-2003, 04:03 AM
I agree we lose our liberties by inches, but it occurs from both sides. The Patriot Act is anything but and shows a truly anti-republican, anti-conservative belief in the power of government.

What should happen in Albany is a law that forbids smokers from suing anyone for the outcome of thr habit. This would include non-smokers who ignore "This is a Smoking Establishment" signs.

Let's stop the "nanny government" and get people to take responsibility for thr actions!

No Affiliation
04-21-2003, 08:47 AM
Hey Tom Paine,
Are we on the same page?? I do not know of anything in the Bill of Rights that says "The right of the people to keep and bear cigarettes shall not be infringed" Freedom does not come fron cigarettes!
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who
04-21-2003, 06:37 PM
It's beyond cigarettes. It's about a government infringing on individual liberties. The smoking ban is a symptom of a much more difficult problem -- certain people's belief that government knows best or as someone said earlier in this thread "nanny government".

Time for someone to stand up.
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04-22-2003, 05:07 AM
to WHO,
Standing up means nothing if you are brain-dead and cult like. Many voters who consider themselves republican/conservative will forget about thr principles and vote for someone like Pataki on election day. Pataki is more anti-gun than Bill Clinton.
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Vootie
04-22-2003, 08:04 AM
Fascinating, this smoking ban. Let's see, (1) It's legal to grow tobacco. In fact the government even subsidizes tobacco growers. (2) It's legal to process tobacco. (3) If you're of age, it's legal to buy tobacco. (4) Naturally, government wants you to buy tobacco, because they tax it more heavily than any other substance.

BUT-t-t-t-t- (little joke there) You can't use this legal, subsidized, heavily taxed product.

I have a friend who runs a little bar-restaurant. Each football season he buys a premium cable package so that his patrons can watch any pro game they want on a Sunday.

At any one time on Sunday he could have five or six different games on.

The four or five times I went there on a Sunday there were 60 to 80 guys watching the games. They were eating, drinking and smoking.

To those who say the smoking ban will be good for everyone, please tell me how many of those 60 to 80 patrons will be there on Sundays if they can't smoke?

And how does my friend make up for that lost revenue?

The poster who called it "Nanny government" had it exactly right.

Tom Paine
04-22-2003, 10:15 AM
I thought we were on the same page until you bailed on me. What in the world are you talking about?

Cigarettes are just a cover for the larger issue.

There's no right to privacy in the Constitution ther. Ergo, would you want cameras installed in your home so the authorities could see if you're doing something dangerous? Might they go blind?

The "nanny government" is a threat to us all as it slowly chips away at individual rights. Believe it or not, the inability to smoke in an establishment that would otherwise allow you to do so can eventually lead to your precious weapons bng taken away from you in the name of the "public interest".

What we want to encourage is personal responsibility for one's actions, not behavior modification by government edict.

No Affiliation
04-22-2003, 03:14 PM
Tom Paine,
April 19,1775...At dawn about 70 men of the local militia assembled on Lexington Green. Lined up across them, a company of British troops sent to take thr guns.......A shot is fired...known as the shot heard around the world.
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