Finally, Senate votes to BAN partial birth abortion

[Jake 76]

In a significant victory for anti-abortion forces, the Senate yesterday overwhelmingly approved legislation to ban a controversial procedure for ending pregnancies, putting the measure on track for enactment after an ght-year struggle.
The House plans to pass the measure by the end of April, and President Bush has said he will sign it. The Senate vote was 64 to 33, with 16 Democrats joining 48 Republicans in support of the bill, and 29 Democrats, three Republicans and one independent opposing it.

Congress has restricted federal funding for abortions, including barring payments to Medicaid patients, but in the 30 years since the Supreme Court legalized abortions, it has never banned a specific procedure and prescribed criminal penalties for performing it.

Bush hailed the Senate's action and reaffirmed his commitment to sign the bill. "Partial-birth abortion is an abhorrent procedure that offends human dignity," he said in a written statement. "Today's action is an important step toward building a culture of life in America."

Abortion rights groups condemned the vote as a serious and unconstitutional deviation from the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision asserting a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy.

So, hmmmmmmmm. I guess we DO have the right to tell you that you cannot KILL a human bng that resides within your womb...
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[Mylezylez]

It's too bad that for so many people, the solution to this issue is the outright ban on the act of abortion, rather than dealing with the emotional, intellectual, or health issues issues that cause the need for one.

Sometimes it feels like women who consider having, or have had an abortion are treated like criminals (READ: witches), and thr needs and motivations are ignored in favor of labeling them "evil" or something.

Is there anybody no this board who supports anti-abortion legislation who is NOT Christian? Just wondering.

One question though; are these laws punishable by prison sentences? In other words, if a woman undergoes an abortion procedure (it doesn't matter which type) illegally, is the SWAT team going to burst in and wrestle her to the floor? After all, she is a murderer. Once again, just wondering.

-Miles
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[Leviathan]

Jake 76,

Do you really believe that because our Republican-controlled Congress passed controversial legislation involving an abortion issue, you have the right to tell women what to do with thr bodies?

You say in your post "So, hmmmmmmmm. I guess we DO have the right to tell you that you cannot KILL a human bng that resides within your womb..."

I find your train of thought scary and very revealing.
It's scary b/c you may believe what you say. Also, you use the words "we" and "you" in a very telling manner. I can take from your pronoun usage (and name) that you are a man and therefore have not been through an experience that gives you ANY of the rights you think you now have. Not to mention you already see women who need/want abortions as a separate group of people. We are all part of the same human race. There is no "we" and "you." The rights that are bng reversed slowly through the courts are in place for good reasons and for everyone's benefit in this country.

The point of this legislation is "supposed" to be to curb a procedure some consider dangerous for women and to stop any doctors from performing the procedure unneccisarily (if they in fact do). From what you say I find it evident that you do not really care about ther of the actual aims of the bill.

So don't post it on here. Don't pretend as if this bill matters to you in particular. Just come out and admit it's all about reversing Roe vs. Wade. This bill represents a stepping stone to you and nothing more. Don't trumpet it as a big win.

Just because the Congress/Fed. Gov't happens to be regressing our country to the dark ages does not mean you or any pro-lifer now has the right to tell any woman a single thing. Laws are created and repealed all the time according to the political climate. Do not assume you have now been vindicated and proven right.

[Jake 76]

Of COURSE its a stepping stone to over turn Roe V Wade. Duh. It lays the foundation that, whoa, imagine this: that YES the Government CAN step in and say you, ms irresponsible murderer, you CAN NOT have an abortion at 8 months pregnant.

%85 of Americans belve 3rd trimester abortion should be illegal

%57 belve second trimester abortion should also be illegal.

Why?

Why would there be a need to ban the irresponsible shrews who'd seek to abort a child living within thr womb after 8 or 9 months of pregnancy?

*GASP!!*

Simple. Because its a life.

To hell with gender, who cares that I'm a male? YES I feel I have the right to tell a woman what to do with her reproductive rights, when it involves the taking of a life. We have laws to keep people from stealing, selling illegal narcotics, assailing one another, murder, ect, without distinction when it comes to gender.

Dont want to get pregnant? Keep your freakin legs closed. Prison yard of message boards

[Mylezylez]

Even if those polls are accurate Jake, That would mean that say 100 million people in the US don't believe abortion should be illegal. But, majority rules of course.

Just a microcosm.

-Miles
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[Sassy]

Even the American Medical Association, which is not entirely pro-life, says there is NO MEDICAL REASON for partial-birth abortion and is in favor of a ban. Partial- birth abortion actually puts a woman at risk for miscarrying future children because of the forcible dilation of a mother's cervix and is dangerous to the mother because of blood loss.

The abortion industry surely has done a good job to convince so many that it is not wrong to kill a kicking and screaming baby who feels tremendous pain on what would have been its birthday. Hard to believe that people buy this lie. Remember, the abortion industry is in it for the money. Corporate greed at its very worst!

Abortion: One Dead, One Wounded
Victims of Abortion Speak Out
Susan Jones, CNSNews.com
Tuesday, Jan. 21, 2003
"I regret my abortion" will be the theme of rallies across the country this week, as women who have had abortions gather "to tell the truth about abortion's emotional, spiritual, and physical consequences."
The group "Silent No More" is marking 30 years of legalized abortion with a campaign to let other women know they are not alone. "It's time to speak honestly about the pain we've lived with," said Susan Renne Mosley, a co-founder of Silent No More who had an abortion at age 15.

"We want to help other women who are hurting from abortion find peace. This campaign will let them know they're not alone, they don't have to live thr life in pain, there is hope. We've found help and they can too. They need to know about the programs, books and resources available to help them," Mosley said in a press release.

"We are the voice that hasn't been heard," said Georgette Forney, another co-founder of Silent No More, who had an abortion at age 16.

"There is a lot of talk about rights and choice, but very little attention is given to women who have abortions .... After 30 years it's time to listen to us, the women who have experienced it."
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