CSEA TERMINOLOGY

[SHOO SHOO LARASHOOTA]

Some definitions of frequently used terms:

COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT (CBA)" - an outline of tricky technicalities delineating methods to screw county employees. Often used in concert i.e. CSEA and Nassau.

GRIEVANCE/ARBITRATION - the method used to stall employees until the statute of limitations runs out on them. People left out of 64-01 had to go to PERB to get the union to act. Then the "process" ate up two years of our time.

BREACH OF CONTRACT - something that does not exist until you go to PERB and go through 2 years of delays and until things happen that scare the union .

SALARY CHART - a big sudoku where girls move to the left and boys just sit straight down and make good money.

UNION DUES - involuntary contributions to the CSEA vacation fund

CSEA OFFICERS - non-working, ethicless juvenile delinquents.

GIUSTINO AND DAMICO - the patron saints of the back room.

MEMORANDA OF AGREEMENT - the long form of the usual 4-letter word

COPS ARE SMART
CORRECTION OFFICERS ARE SMART
ARE YOU?

[Your Union]

We're all heading to Florida this Thursday on your manditory union dues. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!

[kitchen boys]

$100,000 a year chefs in the kitchen. Both Union and Mgmt. WOW

that sounds like shoa terminology also.

[quote="Anonymous"]that sounds like shoa terminology also.[/q

ExpLain yourself please

what the fuck is there to explain?? it's self explanatory.

[shoo shoo larashoota]

We're all heading to Florida this Thursday on your manditory union dues. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!


thank you for displaying your attitude for me and letting all know what you really are. May a hairy Palmetto climb into your ear in Fla.and infuse a brain cell. Now that you too have one, can you do something with it? Can you say TURKEY?

[Real Meaning of CSEA]

C = CAN
S = SOMEONE
E = ELSE
A = ANSWER

[shoo shoo]

C = CAN
S = SOMEONE
E = ELSE
A = ANSWER


GROWN UPS ARE SUPPOSED TO STAND UP AND ADMIT WHEN THEY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE TO GRIEVE WITHIN 4 MONTHS BY WORKING IN SECRET. THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PERB ISSUE, DOESN'T IT? CSEA HAS TO BACK THESE CHEATERS BECAUSE GIUSTINO IS STOBER'S LAW PARTNER AND DAMICO STILL HOLDS AN EXECUTIVE POST IN THE UNUNION. IN THE END IT WILL COST CSEA LESS MONEY TO CUT THEM LOOSE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

SEVERAL ESQ'S WILL GLADLY SUE CSEA ON THIS. THE TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT IN COURT. TOO BAD THE MEMBERSHIP IS STILL SOOOOO APATHETIC. YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD LOOK AT WHAT THEY PAY AND WHAT THEY GET FOR IT.

SINCE SUOZZI HAS STATED THAT ANYONE WHO WANTS MONEY FROM NASSAU HAS TO GO TO COURT, WHY ARE EMPLOYEES FORCED TO SPEND 2 YEARS ARBITRATING? THROW OUT THAT DUMB CBA. WE DON'T NEED THAT AND WE DON'T NEED CSEA, WE NEED AN ETHICAL COURT SYSTEM.

UNUNION - A GOOD NAME FOR THEM - LIKE ONION - THE MORE YOU PEEL, THE WORSE IT SMELLS

Jerry should have started with a 'CLEAN' slate, rid of all the old wood. And that includes a new labor law firm that has no hooks and/or ties with One West Street...especially that Guistino is a partner with Stoeber.

Its the same ole CSEA...secret meetings; secret deals and behind the scene bargaining and deal making with the devil.

C'mon Jerry, we voted you in...clean house.

[Laughing at ya]

We're all heading to Florida this Thursday on your manditory union dues. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO!

That's funny Mr. SHoa, cause nobody is headed anywhere but to work. I understand your frustration. Our president fights for us and your's is well.....maybe Florida's not a bad idea for your guys!

[union truth]

Jerry cannot clean house.

Each elected officer has his/her own constituency. Officers can only be removed by bng brought up on charges and be given a CSEA Hearing. Jerry cannot legally remove them. It is not within his power!!!

Jerry cannot hire another law firm. The firm is retained by CSEA Inc in Albany. Only CSEA Inc can change law firms.

I amnot sure if Jerry is any good or not but lets get our facts and strategy correct.

Do not blame people for things over which they ahve no control.

!!!!!

[shoo shoo]

Jerry cannot clean house.

Each elected officer has his/her own constituency. Officers can only be removed by bng brought up on charges and be given a CSEA Hearing. Jerry cannot legally remove them. It is not within his power!!!

Jerry cannot hire another law firm. The firm is retained by CSEA Inc in Albany. Only CSEA Inc can change law firms.

I amnot sure if Jerry is any good or not but lets get our facts and strategy correct.

Do not blame people for things over which they ahve no control.

!!!!!

NOT TRUE.
DAMICO DUMPED SEVERAL OF THE 400 COUNTY SEAT DR. LACKIES WHEN SHE THOUGHT THEY WERE UNDERMINING HER. I DO NOT THINK SHE COULD HAVE PROVED THAT ANYWHERE.

JERRY'S PRIMARY AND ONLY MEANINGFUL DUTY IS TO THE MEMBERSHIP. HE IS DOING SOME THINGS BUT NOT DOING THE JOB HE HAD LED ME TO BELIEVE HE WOULD DO.. HE JUMPED IN AS THE HEAD OF A PART OF A CORRUPT ENTITY. HE LNOWS IT. I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE ACTION TAKEN YET TO FIGHT THAT.

THERE IS A HISTORY OF PARTS OF 830 BNG SCREWED AND PULLING OUT TO FORM THR OWN BARGAINING GROUP. DESPITE WHAT THE CSEA SPIN IS ON THAT, THEY SEAM TO BE DOING JUST FINE AND HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THR EFFORTS.

DO YOU REALLY THINK CSEA HAS ANY BARGAINING CACHE?? REALLY NOW. THEY TAKE THE CRUMBS THEY ARE TOLD TO BECAUSE THR FIRST JOB IS TO SURVIVE THEMSELVES. IF THERE IS ANYTHING LEFT OVER AFTER THEY MAKE DEALS WITH NASSAU TO INSURE THR BNG ALLOWED TO HANG ON ANOTHER 5 YEARS, THEY WILL SELL OUT ANY ONE OF US, OR ANY GROUP OF US, TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. TALK TO ANY ONE WHO IS STILL BNG UNDERPAID WHILE THEY WATCH THOSE AROUND THEM GET BIG BACKPAY CHECKS. WE WERE SOLD OUT TO MAKE THE DEAL FOR THE OTHERS - A PLOY TO LINE THE POCKET OF DIRTY JANE AND GAIN HER VOTES TO BE ELECTED (THAT SEAMED TO NOT WORK, THANK YOUR HIGHER POWER.)

SO MANY PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AND THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE BOTHERED WITH THIS. THEY FORGET THEY COULD JUST BE THE NEXT VICTIMS.

TELL YOUR UNIT PRES. THAT YOU KNOW A MAN WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE EDUC. OR THE TRAINING, OR THE DANGER, OR THE EXPENSES THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR JOB BUT MAKES MORE MONEY THAN YOU. SEE HOW FAR YOU GET. THEN GET ON THIS SITE AND TALK ABOUT IT. ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.

EXAMPLE: PEOPLE IN MALE-DOMINATED JOB TITLES GET PROMOTED WITHOYUT LOSING STEPS. DID YOU?

ALL those men PAID DEARLY for thr vertical promotions and now the women want to go back and change that.

[SHOOSHOO]

ALL those men PAID DEARLY for thr vertical promotions and now the women want to go back and change that.

IN WHAT WAY? HOW MUCH? WHERE? TO WHOM? ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE RECVERS STILL HAUNTING NASSAU? I NEED TO KNOW SO THAT I CAN SUE THEM.

[Luv Da Union]

ALL those men PAID DEARLY for thr vertical promotions and now the women want to go back and change that.

IN WHAT WAY? HOW MUCH? WHERE? TO WHOM? ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE RECVERS STILL HAUNTING NASSAU? I NEED TO KNOW SO THAT I CAN SUE THEM.
You're a typical overpaid, underworked civila servant, probably from the PD who will NEVER be satisfied, because you are self centered and a glutton.

I know your type, been listening to your crap for over twenty years. Probably already hired a lawyer and always looking for ways to get over on the County. Now your hooking into the union.

People like you give p[eople like Suozzi a reason to screw County workers.
As for Jerry and the union, the word I hear is he's doing a great job. Going to get re elected without a problem, despite primadonna's like you.

If a man went from Grade 9 to Grade 10 (just one little grade up) and stayed at the same step (years of service) he got a vertical promotion. Look at all the promotions for the last ten years...see any pattern? The mainly male dominated jobs got promoted or upgraded without going back in steps. The female jobs lost YEARS of service (steps). Now you bng the big MAN you are think thats fair and any woman who was promoted and was not offered the opportunity to PAY for a verical upgrade should just shut up. One vertical upgrade equals thousands of dollars and impacts your retirement! If you look at the promotions over the years MEN made thousands more the first year they were promoted and Women had to wait 3, 4, and 5 years to recve that big bump up. Legal...yes ,the Union can make deals for men that they dont make for women, but when the pattern is so blatant there just may be recourse.

[Glass half empty]

If a man went from Grade 9 to Grade 10 (just one little grade up) and stayed at the same step (years of service) he got a vertical promotion. Look at all the promotions for the last ten years...see any pattern? The mainly male dominated jobs got promoted or upgraded without going back in steps. The female jobs lost YEARS of service (steps). Now you bng the big MAN you are think thats fair and any woman who was promoted and was not offered the opportunity to PAY for a verical upgrade should just shut up. One vertical upgrade equals thousands of dollars and impacts your retirement! If you look at the promotions over the years MEN made thousands more the first year they were promoted and Women had to wait 3, 4, and 5 years to recve that big bump up. Legal...yes ,the Union can make deals for men that they dont make for women, but when the pattern is so blatant there just may be recourse.

Sorry my dear but the union never initiated male only vertical upgrades. If anyone is to blame it's the count and the long history of political lobbying by small well funded groups. Wasn't Jane Damico theCSEA president for three years and the executive presidtn for 6 years. That's almsot a decade of CSEA having one of it's supposed female activist at the top and yet what did she do for your problems. Only when she thought she could buy your votes did she and the county corroborate to make some half baked attemto at pay equity.
Here's the real deal. Even of you achieve your goal of a true vertical upgrade, you will then shift gears and trounce the union for other issues, becasue that's what your group does. You will NEVER be satisfied, and you will always be on the litigation forefront. You truly give the rest of us county workers a bad name. Is it true that many CB operators broke the $100,000.00 mark in 2005? Overtime was good right? You did get an upgrade, but you want it vertical. What would your complaint be then?

They owe me 40 grand...you want me to forget? I bet you got your promotion /upgrade vertical. No one at CB made more than 100,000 last year. Why do men think women should work 60 hrs a week for a decent salary. I should get the decent salary, PERIOD!!

FYI...this is the first time I consulted a lawyer for anything related to my job. It is also a first for a lawsuit ...any type of lawsuit. ITS AMAZING how angry you can get when youre screwed by your employee and your Union watches! Thanks Jane!

FYI...this is the first time I consulted a lawyer for anything related to my job. It is also a first for a lawsuit ...any type of lawsuit. ITS AMAZING how angry you can get when youre screwed by your employee and your Union watches! Thanks Jane!

when you get your money, would you please insist on uniforms and reserved parking spaces. Then how about a great big TV. If other county workers really knew just how unequal your treatment is, there will be a line longer than the one waiting to vote for Mr. S's opponent - whomever she is. Oh to be a labor lawyer when that happens! maybe we could raffle off the good ones, second prize would be a big screen TV for your workplace. - Who pays thr cable subscription? - I bet I know....................

ALL those men PAID DEARLY for thr vertical promotions and now the women want to go back and change that.

EXACTLY WHAT DID THEY PAY AND TO WHOM? WAS IT IN ACTS, DEEDS, OR JUST COLD HARD CASH? DID THE UNION HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? IF SO. EXACTLY IN WHAT WAY? IS THERE ANYONE WHO COULD TESTIFY ABOUT THIS? HOW DID YOU GET YOUR INFO?

A SMALL GROUNDSWELL IS DEVELOPING INTO SOMETHING OF A STEAMROLLER. I LIKE THIS BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT INNOCENT ONES DON'T GET CRUSHED. THERE HAS TO BE SOME FOLKS LEFT STANDING TO PROTECT THE VICTIMS AFTERWARD. :lol:

[con fused]

How come CB never hired a law firm that does true employment discrimination law? Instead, they continue to use union lawyers or other flunkies that are really not interested in winning for them. They need to put in a class action EEOC lawsuit for equal pay.

When you pay for the right kind of representation you will finally see some results.

Dear con fused;

CB did hire a real lawyer - not a union lawyer. It was the people left out of 64-01 who were gung ho until it came time to pony up some money to pay a lawyer of thr own. Or do some of the organizational work, for that matter. A union lawyer, as with any other lawyer, always works for the one who signs the checks. I know that, they deluded themselves. Perhaps they just do not think they are worth the whole salary and are far too afraid to collect the money owed them. Pretty piss poor.

CB operators did hire an Employment lawyer..well actually they have 2 prominent NYC Labor firms working for them. They raised over $100,000.00. Thr discrimination case was filed in Bklyn Federal Court in Nov. 2005. One of the lawyers they hired is the same lawyer who filed this same case for the NYC 911 people and WON!

The NY Times article used the words PROMINENT and HIGH POWER Attorney.

Newsday had nothing

[Whathappened?]

If the case was filed in Federal court on 11/05 what was the outcome of it? Or, is it still pending? If Fire Com (predominately male) and CB (predominately female) do almost the same thing, it would seem to me they should get the same pay and benefits. It sounds like gender discrimination.

By the way, I DO NOT work in CB. Just an outside observer.

These things take a lot of time - always. The difference here is that boys get favored treatment and girls get put back steps. I don't work there ther but I happen to know that boys get reserved parking and are given uniforms - to do a sit down, talk on phone, no in person public contact job - they get all the money and need not spend any on business attire ther. The big clue is the steps. Were you promoted and did they put you more steps away from top pay? Think it through and you will begin to see.

Actually the case was filed 11-17-05. Lawsuits of this type take time. They are in the discovery phase now. The county can discover what we already know. It takes a guy in Firecom 11 years to get to top pay. The 911 operators who were upgraded in 2001 lost 3 4 or 5 steps(years). They will get to top pay in 14 15 and 16 years. A DISGRACE!

Understand please that this is just one particular example of one place in the county where some women DARED to question what was happening to them and they got together and now are in Brooklyn Federal Court with excellent lawyers who do not take cases unless they believe they will win.

This is going on all over the county. DSS, the health dept, and many more. If you believe men should get more money for the same or lesser work, don't bother reading on as days go by. If you are a county government, be on notice that it is coming - all over, and in every courtroom. Media will get involved, Careers will end.

The only answer in the long run for both the county and the unions is to make whole all damaged employees and stop the illegal cheating and politicing now. If every commissioner trying to play games with the system is outed by those damaged by outing the power drunk and if citizen tax payers become aware that in the long run it costs them more in damages and legal fees to clean up thr messes.

I do not believe in civil service or unions, but that is what we have and if I obey the rules, I have a right to expect the county to do so, This faulty system is how we got the inept middle management we have to live with and I do not know a quick way to fix it. In DSS, we are crumbling under the wght of hundreds of non-functioning managers and above. many put there by T>S> to fix things - that is not the way out.

Understand please that this is just one particular example of one place in the county where some women DARED to question what was happening to them and they got together and now are in Brooklyn Federal Court with excellent lawyers who do not take cases unless they believe they will win.

This is going on all over the county. DSS, the health dept, and many more. If you believe men should get more money for the same or lesser work, don't bother reading on as days go by. If you are a county government, be on notice that it is coming - all over, and in every courtroom. Media will get involved, Careers will end.

The only answer in the long run for both the county and the unions is to make whole all damaged employees and stop the illegal cheating and politicing now. If every commissioner trying to play games with the system is outed by those damaged ,by outing the power drunk and if citizen tax payers become aware that in the long run it costs them more in damages and legal fees to clean up thr messes, afuture elections may rectify it.

I do not believe in civil service or unions, but that is what we have and if I obey the rules, I have a right to expect the county to do so, This faulty system is how we got the inept middle management we have to live with and I do not know a quick way to fix it. In DSS, we are crumbling under the wght of hundreds of non-functioning managers and above. many put there by T>S> to fix things - that is not the way out.

Actually the case was filed 11-17-05. Lawsuits of this type take time. They are in the discovery phase now. The county can discover what we already know. It takes a guy in Firecom 11 years to get to top pay. The 911 operators who were upgraded in 2001 lost 3 4 or 5 steps(years). They will get to top pay in 14 15 and 16 years. A DISGRACE!

Now let me get this clearly understood. I am a man who was promoted in 2001. Under the terms of the contract I was put back several steps becasue I was guaranteed to make at l $1000 more than I did before I was promoted. I know several other men in my department who went through the same scenario. What's up? What did the county do wrong, or are you saying becasue I'm a man it doesn't count? Men can get promoted as per the contract, but woman must get vertical? What am I missing here?

You are correct. A promotion grants you to the new grade into the step of NOT less than $1,000.000 than you were making.

So with a PROMOTION, you may go back in steps in your higher grade.

THAT IS COVERED IN THE CONTRACT.

What happened in the Communications Dept. of the NCPD was an UPGRADE. A CIVIL SERVICE GRANTED UPGRADE.

They were not promoted or change to a new position in a higher grade. They were UPGRADE by Civil Service.

A few years back under the Guistino helm of CSEA, when FLEET/AMT's/and FCOM were granted Civil Service UPGRADES, the Union (CSEA) protected these all male departments by signing of with the County a Memorandum of Agreement.

This MOA stated that these departments, WHEN UPGRADED shal move vertically. That is, they will remain in thr same step in the new grade as thr previous step. This MOA became part of the contract.

The Communications Bureau was under consideration for an UPGRADE at the time this MOA was quietly signed off on. They failed to include the females under the agreement.

Therin lies the anger. It appears Mr. Guistino 'dropped the ball' on that one.

However, in regards to promotions, there were many who were granted promotions VERTICALLY, contrary to the contract, then and now. There were MANY, MANY men who were given these VERTICAL promotions. That is what has the DSS person (a female) so angered.

[Angered DSS Person]

First, thanks to the knowledgeable guest for the clarification. I contend that there are male dominated fields of work in Nassau and female dominated fields. If you are working in a female dominated field and you are a male, you are likely to be treated as your fellow females. After all, Nassau could not risk having you sitting at the next desk having been promoted or upgraded along with your fellow female workers at nearby desks, and promote you vertically. A riot would, no doubt, ensue and they would be outed.

Unfair treatment is a guarded secret. You didn't know bng put back steps doesn't always happen, did you. That's why it is covered by secret memoranda of agreement between union and county.

My anger comes from two sources. First because when they corrected erroneous promotional raises, my promotion on 12-1-00, a month too early, was left out. Had they corrected me early, I would never have continued my research and found that those working in male dominated fields lost no steps upon promotion.
This is gender discrimination. Further, because I lost 2 steps when promoted, I will have to work until I am about 70 years old to earn a pension I can live on. This is age discrimination as well.

Actually, come November, I will be making less money than if I had never been promoted. Everyone knows this in my office. Management is unsupportive and my fellow workers are disinterested. This creates a hostile work environment for me.

I am preparing a class action law suit and actively seeking more fellow named plaintifs. I am also a named plaintif in a suit covering only my "left out status" on the original arbitration settlement. If I get arrested and am strip searched at the jail, I will join yet another class action. (Read NEWSDAY). I am also angered by the shoddy treatment of the police communication operators in Nassau, now already filed in federal court, I hear rumors about fire inspectors now in federal court in Suffolk, and as a tax payer, I want civil servants on my behalf paid properly so that I am not also going to have to pay a gigantic bill for legal fees on both sides every time Nassau is sued and loses and this appears to be the way things are going.

I believe that at this time Nassau employs many more lawyers trying to cover the county butt than it does service workers to help citizens in trouble. Talk about top heavy, arrogant management !

If you feel you were cheated and were promoted in 2001, say where you work and your grade now and I will find you and let you know what can be done.

I do not think we are going to let them do these things any more.

IMAGINE..............if everyone got the same kind of "promotion" that Jane and Tony got themselves way back in the 90's. Does anyone out there understand what exponential damages are? It could break the county. I think CSEA should pay half the damages..hell Albany and AFSCME have deep pockets. Jane....do you still wonder why you lost your position? The reality still is that only a small number of people realize how crooked you are. You couldnt fool the CBOPS. They voted your MOAs down until you threatened them. Because of you they are now in Federal Court asking for a lot more than a vertical upgrade.

Lets talk anger. First you are angry at everyone. Then you start to reason out who the enemy is and you get more specific about the target of your anger.

First, if you are underpaid and it is the obligation of the employer to pay you in accordance with a contract they signed, then they should pay and pay right. They should not cheat you and use the money they save by cheating you to make secret deals with certain groups - taking care of the boys, if you know what I mean - they need to set this right. Since Suozzi has stated that if you want money from Nassau, you gotta take him to court, then court is where you go. (Don't be surprised if you run into lots of your fellow workers at the courtroom door). Since he pushed you into the court (foolishly assuming that you won't do it) then he gets to pay his lawyers (with my tax dollars) and he gets to pay your lawyer too.

I think taxpayers should be furious at him for incurring all these extra expenses and I often wonder what NIFA and the bond rating boys would think of this slight-of-hand monkey business.

CSEA bears some of the burden too. Not the current bunch heading up the local now, but the big money pot for CSEA in Albany and even further than that. Why? because they still maintain lucrative financial relationships with Giustino and Damico, the architects and maintainers of this mess. Maybe the interest due the underpaid should be paid by the place your union dues go - upstate. If they are going to protect the guilty, then let them pay thr debts to those they screwed. It was Damico that told us that we did not have a legal leg to stand on, Words that still ring in my ears.

Few employees know what I know about what has been going on. I have no doubt that there is still more muck to be unearthed. Let us get all this fixed and move on with a fair and understandable compensation plan - no games. I want to be on the watchdog committee that insures this. They really need watching.

ARE YOU KIDDING? both the union and the county would be more likely to finance your move to a remote province in China.

Whistle blowers are a NIMBY issue in good olde Nassau.

NIMBY those days are over....There are a lot of people who know what went on and how it got done. If it ever comes to light there will be arrests.

[Willcost$$]

The county is dealing with a lot of EEOC lawsuits right now. They will most likely lose them all. For one reason, thr lawyers are terrible. Another reason is that the people all have a valid claim. You would think the county would learn and change thr tactics. It is costing us all a lot of money

IT IS A 6 YEAR OLD UNPAID DEBT THAT COST ME MONEY. I AM OWED MORE THAN THE PRICE OF THE CAR I HAD TO BUY. I PAY INTEREST ON THAT CAR LOAN. NASSAU OWES ME THAT TOO, IF YOU WANT TO REALLY MAKE WHOLE THE DAMAGED PEOPLE.

IF I PUT IT ALL IN THE BANK WITH CD STYLE COMPOUND INTEREST - WHAT THEN? I PAY MY DEBTS. DO YOU?

IF YOU ARE ANGRY AT MR. S., THEN EXPRESS IT IN THE VOTING BOOTH - I AM THE VICTIM AND I DID NOT ELECT HIM.