Hate-America Leftists Lead the Appeasement Movement....

[Sassy]

....Not Mom and Pop America

Wes Vernon
Thursday, Feb. 27, 2003

:"> WASHINGTON ? America-haters ran the recent appeasement demonstrations. These longtime enemies of America are collaborating with radical Islamists who want to kill Americans. That fact belies the mainstream media's portrayal of "soccer moms," veterans, Democrats, Republicans, and other ordinary Americans as reflecting grassroots anger at President Bush?s policies in Iraq.

Workers World Party (WWP), which organized the demonstrations, is ideologically aligned with the Stalinist nation of North Korea. This tiny Marxist-Leninist group is behind A.N.S.W.E.R. (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism), with which former LBJ Attorney General Ramsey Clark is involved.

David Horowitz, author of ?The Hate America Left,? tells NewsMax this organization has been around since the late 1950s.

Herbert Romerstein, who spent years of his professional life as a security official in the legislative and executive branches of the government, says WWP provided the people who stuffed the envelopes, made the arrangements, dealt with the logistics, provided the transportation and, most importantly, controlled who got to speak at the rallies.

Censorship

Anyone not supporting the propaganda purposes of Marxist dogma was not allowed to speak to the crowd.

?If somebody hadn?t done it for them [the demonstrators], they wouldn?t be out there,? he told NewsMax. ?The Workers World provides the opportunities for these people to get out and demonstrate.?

Reed Irvine?s Accuracy in Media, in a paper bluntly titled ?Communists Run Anti-War Movement,? reports that the networks and metropolitan dailies ignored communist banners prominently displayed at the site of the Washington demonstration.

The usual suspects were there: Louis Farrakhan?s Nation of Islam, Progressive Labor Party, Freedom Road Socialist Organization, World Socialist Website, Cuba Solidarity, Spartacist League, Revolutionary Communist Party USA, and radical Muslim and pro-Palestinian organizations.

When ex-communist Horowitz considers these groups and others that participated, he concludes in his NewsMax interview that ?the vast majority? of demonstrators have supported America?s enemies for years, and in some case ?their parents before them.?

'The Fascistic Left'

?This is the fascistic left,? Horowitz adds, ?anti-Semitic, anti-American, and dedicated to establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat.?

There are ?useful idiots? or dupes who have fronted for this nation?s enemies.

Ramsey Clark is a perennial in this role. (It was learned Tuesday that CBS was granted its Dan Rather interview with Saddam Hussein after Rather?s good friend Clark ?put in a good word? for him with the Iraqi dictator.)

Romerstein says Clark has collaborated with WWP activists John Catalinotto and Sarah Flounders in their apologia for Slobadon Milosevic.

Horowitz identifies United for Peace and Justice as a part of the coalition that was behind the New York demonstration. That group, he says, is headed by Leslie Cagan, ?a '60s Stalinist ... pro-Castro, of course. She ran an organization that did the propaganda for the Cuban gulag.?

Not a Bit 'Liberal'

Adds ex-communist Horowitz in our interview: ?It?s time for conservatives to stop calling these people liberals. They are leftists, and they are hate-America leftists.

"And when your country is under attack, as ours is, you can?t have a peace movement. You can only have an appeasement movement, and a movement to betray your own country.?


Next: Is the FBI or any security agency or congressional committee keeping tabs on the hard-left alliance with radical Islamists?



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[Mylezylez]

So much I didn't know...

Wow, I didn't realize I was a Stalinist, simply because I happen to believe that America would do more harm than good in attacking Iraq.

Nor did I realize that I now hated America. Hmmm, well maybe I don't like this country's modern foreign policies, but I still believe the constitution and the bill of rights are some of the better political systems outlined.

Am I to ignore my own sensory perceptions about the peace protest? I went to one to see what it was like, and found it to be an overwhelmingly positive experience. There was no violence, and everyone was kind.

I've never experienced (in my insignificant time on this planet) such anger directed toward those who do not agree with a political philosophy.

-Miles
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[Sassy]

I don't think ALL followers of these appeasement movements hate America. My purpose is to let you know what kind of people you are following.

Pope John Paul II (my hero) and Pat Buchanan (who I like very much; however, he's too much of an isolationist) don't believe in this war, but these fine gentlemen don't have communist groups as their leaders. And they are not anti-America or anti-Bush.

Can you tell me of a "peace demonstration" that ever stopped a war from happening. If anything, they contribute to war, because they are embolding Saddam. Saddam said he was very pleased with these demonstrations. Of course he was.

Now is the time to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!

AND PRAY FOR PEACE! (Maybe Saddam will go into exile or will be taken out from within are a couple of possibilities.)
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[slenkar]

Why doesnt Bush support out troops by buying them some decent equipment?

[Skeptic]

Here's what some others have to say about the "masses" who demonstrated:

World Socialist Web Site and Socialist Equality Party
Public Conference
Socialism and the Struggle
Against Imperialism and War:
the Strategy and Program of a
New International Working Class Movement

The World Socialist Web Site and the Socialist Equality Party are sponsoring a public conference on the weekend of March 29-30, 2003 in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The subject of the conference will be ?Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement.?

The purpose of this public conference is to initiate a serious discussion on the political program that is necessary to build, strengthen and unify the international movement against imperialism and war. In organizing this conference, the World Socialist Web Site and Socialist Equality Party advance the following fundamental political principles as the basis of the discussion:

1. The genuinely mass base for the struggle against imperialism and war is the American and international working class.

2. The great potential strength of the working class can be realized only if it is mobilized independently of and in opposition to the political parties of big business. In the United States, this means, first and foremost, fighting to end the political subordination of working people to the Democratic Party. The working class must build its own political party and fight for power.

3. The struggle against war can be waged systematically and effectively only to the extent that it is directed against the socioeconomic system that produces war?that is, against capitalism and for socialism.

4. The fight against war requires the international unity of the working class.

On this basis, we urge readers of the World Socialist Web Site to register for the conference and come to Ann Arbor on March 29-30.
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This sure sounds like a genuine grassroots US citizens' campaign, doesn't it?!



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[midgetbones]

believe what you read. We have fine equipment , thanks for the concern though.
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[Sassy]

Friday, Feb. 28, 2003
Iraqi Soldiers Ready to Surrender

There are lots of jokes about French soldiers carrying white flags with them, but now it's the Iraqi troops who are preparing to surrender.

"Morale is low in the Iraqi army and many soldiers are preparing white flags of surrender, we are told by someone in northern Iraq who recently interviewed two defectors from Saddam Hussein's army," the Washington Times reported today.

One, a captain who defected from the 5th Mechanized Division of the 1st Corps, based near the northern city of Kirkuk, said the heavy division was only 35 percent combat-effective. Morale is so low that younger soldiers speak openly about surrendering before a shot is fired, he said. (The rest of the story is on www.Newsmax.com.)

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[Mylezylez]

what makes you so sure that ANY of the anti-war group actually HATE America. Have any of them told you to your face that they HATE this country?

What we have here is a minor witch-hunt. Those with opinions differing frmo the current administration are labeled "Anti-American" or the dumber one, "Communists".

Think about it, has there ever been another time in American history when such a large segment of the population was considered some kind of "evil"?

After all, if the right to speak freely and publicly assemble (WITHOUT needing government approval, I might add) are in the bill of rights, then how could people be considered "Anti-American" for doing those very things?
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[Sassy]

Perhaps people are afraid to tell me to my face. (lots of "brave" people on this board, though; I don't mean you Miles)

Anyway, I know by reading the anti-American signs at the "peace" demonstrations, going to the websites that I mentioned above (workers.org even has a RED STAR included in their name) and even postings on this board show anti-American, anti-Bush, anti-Israel, anti-capitalism, anti-u-name it. They also do not protest Saddam.

I wonder if you even read my responses when you ask a question. Didn't I indicate that not all who are against this war are insincere? It's mainly the leaders who have Communist roots that I have my strongest problem with. My post names the groups, but you will have to do some of your own homework. Don't you think that now it's time to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS?!!
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[midgetbones]

you would know that some of the earliest "war protests" were organized by the Communist Party of America. Some of you peace freaks sound communist . Have I actually heard "I hate America" from a protester? No, because they knew who I was and what would have happened if he would have said it. But his sign saying he was embarrassed to be an American at this time said enough for me. Many brothers have died for this country. Many family members have served and are presently serving this country so that people like the one I met can have the right to be so embarrassed of his country and voice it. I take it very seriously when I hear some anti-American slogans and what not.
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[Skeptic]

Miles, did you read any of the above posts? Do you think the PTA or Chamber of Commerce organized the rally? Did the rally just happen to appear, magically without planning and organization? Someone organized it, Miles. WHO that someone (or someones) is, and their motives, should be identified. That's the point here.

With their own statements like, "The struggle against war can be waged systematically and effectively only to the extent that it is directed against the socioeconomic system that produces war?that is, against capitalism and for socialism.", I think it is not US labeling them Communists, it is THEY who are labeling themselves Communists, because that is what they are.

And, what they want to do with those who join the protests is develop "the political program that is necessary to build, strengthen and unify the international movement against imperialism and war."

Those are their words, Miles, not ours.

No one is attributing any of those qualities to you, Miles. No one is saying you are a Communist or Stalinist or an America-hater. It is simply being pointed out to you who is organizing the protests and what their true views are and what their agenda is.

If you don't mind being part of a "struggle against capitalism and for socialism", then okay. In this country you absolutely have that right. Just acknowledge that was the true motivation behind the organizers of the rally. It was a "consciousness-raising" and recruitment tool for those groups.

All we are asking is that you acknowledge who was behind what you described as an "overwhelmingly positive experience. There was no violence, and everyone was kind."
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[Sassy]

In case you don't know already, Midgetbones is one of the fine members of our brave military (USMC) that protects the rights of these appeasement demonstrators, AND my right to disagree with their anti-American, and other anti-signs. None of us would have free speech if it were not for our military. You would certainly not have free speech in Iraq. Many of us would not even be alive if we lived in Iraq.
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