VITO SHOULD RESIGN

[SgtForLife]

So now the real story comes out that Vito never got a "we got your message" call and that he made up this elaborate fabrication because he was afraid he would get smacked personally. How sad is this? Our own Union boss is AFRAID to take any heat at all, perhaps because it may hinder his real desire to become part of the County legislature at some future date. And yes, I am sorry to say, I actually bought into the whole story...maybe because I believe that everyone has at least one redeeming quality..So I am guessing that this is about the 1000th time Vito has outright lied to the membership? And yet he remains in office. I honestly believe at this point we would be better with no President than Vito. In fairness to Vito, he learned from one of the best alltime C/O screwers, WM, who spent his time in office trying to do whatever he could to win favor with the front office and the county legislature...So who doesn't remember the double zero and how crooked that was...or the sick clause when no released guys take sick days....or the 25 year longevity step that was 6 times greater than what the rest of us got, which coincidentally came when Bill hit 25 years. So Bill leaves and goes out front, gets his pick of Investigator jobs and a $5000 thank you from Vito to boot. Yea $5000 of our union dues went to Bill when he left office. So what has Vito done????How far back should I go?? We all know how he gave away Sgt seniority, how he pushed to get a certain C/O stripes because that certain C/O openly bashed GS when he ran against Vito for President. We also know that he refused to go to bat for another C/O who scored the highest grade ever on the promotional exam - too bad that C/O hadn't bashed GS then he would be SGT. now. How about how Vito gave another $5000 of our union dues to Friends of Al Tisch when a fair portion of the C/O's were against it. But Vito, (thinking as he was trained), figured he may need Republican backing during his next attempt for a legisaltive spot, gave Al the money anyway. Lets go back a bit further...How many remember how the union failed to back S. Smith when he got canned. How bogus that was. Mahoney was looking for a whipping boy and Steve (who coincidentally had ran for office) became a target. Who remembers Steve being at the meeting and saying how the union had failed him. Even if you discount that as sour grapes, we cannot forget the fact that Vito and his board backed the same DA that was prosecuting Steve. Remember when we had a "legal vote" to remove our endorsement and the motion passed. Yet the next day BP said that suddenly the vote was illegal?? And once again the all time best screwing our dept ever took - the infamous double zero....Do you realize that, taking into account the multiplier effect, our base pay is roughly $7000 less now because of that. Multiply that by 800 C/O's and we can understand how Vito was able to talk the legislature into giving him an annual $10,000 stipend on top of the stipend we give him.. $10,000 anually to someone like Vito is a real bargain for our county. So now Vito has one of the highest paying no show jobs in the county...sitting in his office watching cartoons - that was what he was doing last time I saw him at the union office. How about the union's PR man? Did our union boss give out a patronage job hoping to feather his cap at some later date? What about the work our union does for various politicians, virtually all of whom have yet to provide us with any support at all? Perhaps Vito will cash in those IOU's at a later date as well. I think, as do all the C/O's that I have spoken with, that we should bring attention to our situation in the media. Protests, rallies, A FULL PAGE AD IN A MAJOR NEWSPAPER - All the other unions do it. Vito says there is no money. Well if he hadn't given Bill and Al $5000 each maybe there would be. Anyway, I could go on and on but most of this will probably fall on deaf ears anyway....The point is that once again our union president has lied to his membership and clearly shown that he does not have our best interest at heart. Vito is out for Vito, plain and simple...and we must realize that any ground we gain, or perhaps re-gain considering all we have lost over the years, will be done by C/O's and not our union. PS - WE ARE THE LOWEST PAID C/O's IN OUR GEOGRAPHIC AREA .

Do you have a problem with paragraphs? If so, an occassional tab would do.

As for Smith, why should anyone have felt sorry for him? The guy made a career out of picking on the weak, C/O's and inmates, then he does something stupid and we're to feel sorry for him?

Good riddance....thankfully his dumb act didn't result in anyone else going down with him.

I didn't know mardis-gras head popped sh|t on GS- then again I'm not surprised if he did. He's a rat f*ck.

As for the rest of your rambling post- yawn. What difference does it make. You know they'll vote him back in again.

I agree with alot of what is above. The union board needs to start working for the membership and not the other way around.

All that said



Touch the desk

As for the double zeros in one of the previous contracts. I was under the understanding that the membership voted for that. Little did i know that our union president has total say of what we accept. I thought we just got binding arbitration. Guess not.

A union is only as strong as it's membership. Look at the past and that should tell you all you need to know about the "strength" of the dept. Rather than expecting the union to do everything (then b1tching when they don't), let's make an attempt to help ourselves. Win or lose, there's no reason for us to make it easy for those standing in our way.
It looks like we're trying, let's hope we don't lose steam and keep it up until we get a fair shake from the county.

Touch the Desk Kiss the Ass

On the national exchange.. the market rallied today as news of projected shortfalls (cause those C/Os are quiting again damnit) sent the price of gallbladders soaring to over $62. a barrel...

But on the flip side cause this IS Easter...

I am left to wonder, what profiteth a man who gain the whole world but looseth his gall bladder?

Opps sorrry, wrong thread....

PS To suggest that a union is only as strong as its membership is a total cop out.

It is only as strong as the strength, or character, of its leadership and this is true of any organization.

Would you like me to cite examples for you???

Uhh, take Body Parts, Inc. for example...

PS To suggest that a union is only as strong as its membership is a total cop out.

It is only as strong as the strength, or character, of its leadership and this is true of any organization.

Would you like me to cite examples for you???

Uhh, take Body Parts, Inc. for example...

I would like examples. Please explain to me how a union is supposed to be effective with no support from it's membeship. Explain why a union president is expected to work for you, as you sit and moan and groan about his performance consistently.
If you refer to the Body Parts Inc as an example of character, that an example of the membership. I don't think the union reps have posted six pages of that crap.
Please explain to me how your laziness is justified, and explain this to me again when Vito is re-elected. That's how it always turns out.

Weather your for or against VITO. today, right now you have to get behind the union and help fight.........Ig maggi was still there, i'd say the same thing......if norman goode was our pres, i'd say the same thing

[$5,000]

PS To suggest that a union is only as strong as its membership is a total cop out.

It is only as strong as the strength, or character, of its leadership and this is true of any organization.

Would you like me to cite examples for you???

Uhh, take Body Parts, Inc. for example...

I would like examples. Please explain to me how a union is supposed to be effective with no support from it's membeship. Explain why a union president is expected to work for you, as you sit and moan and groan about his performance consistently.
If you refer to the Body Parts Inc as an example of character, that an example of the membership. I don't think the union reps have posted six pages of that crap.
Please explain to me how your laziness is justified, and explain this to me again when Vito is re-elected. That's how it always turns out.

Example 1
Giving a $5,000 cash gift is not an effective way for a union president to lead the membership

Happy last Easter in office Vito.

[What wussies!]

It would be great to hear you speak up at a Union meeting and voice your opinion, instead you chose to hide behind a computer screen.You should stand up be a man,go to Union meetings let them know how you feel, then in October run for President obvious you can do a better job.The one thing I learned being a C\O is all people do is complain nobody does nothing about anything.You Guys had a chance to show the world last Tuesday that you mean business and you chickened out.That had nothing to do with the Union.You guys should be doing everything by the book, it would slow everything up by 50 %.The C/O's need to have balls and play the game by the book YOU DON'T NEED THE UNION TO TELL YOU THIS! If you Guys can just stick TOGETHER and do what needs to be done for a few more months things will work out.You should just try something different like UNITY! P.S. Vito is not the SAVIOR we are.

It would be great to hear you speak up at a Union meeting and voice your opinion, instead you chose to hide behind a computer screen.You should stand up be a man,go to Union meetings let them know how you feel, then in October run for President obvious you can do a better job.The one thing I learned being a C\O is all people do is complain nobody does nothing about anything.You Guys had a chance to show the world last Tuesday that you mean business and you chickened out.That had nothing to do with the Union.You guys should be doing everything by the book, it would slow everything up by 50 %.The C/O's need to have balls and play the game by the book YOU DON'T NEED THE UNION TO TELL YOU THIS! If you Guys can just stick TOGETHER and do what needs to be done for a few more months things will work out.You should just try something different like UNITY! P.S. Vito is not the SAVIOR we are.

What are you talking about? A chance to do what? It was called off before anyone had a 'chance' to do anything.

C/O's are collectively the most uninformed, rumor-conscious, ill-advised group I've ever seen.

Just calling it like I see it.

Am I imagining things, or does this not have that old familiar "we're not a union, we're an association" ring to it?

Now they're telling us to save ourselves? They're suggesting what... that we all go out and get part time jobs?

And what is this nonsense about doing it by the book? What book?

For the record Wednesday is not about “unity” or “solidarity.” And it’s not about the money or the beer: it’s about the Hooters.

Enough paragraphs for ya?

[Dumb Asss]

Its called your O's n P's the book that they give you at the academy that you should have read by now. :twisted: :twisted:
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Am I imagining things, or does this not have that old familiar "we're not a union, we're an association" ring to it?

Now they're telling us to save ourselves? They're suggesting what... that we all go out and get part time jobs?

And what is this nonsense about doing it by the book? What book?

For the record Wednesday is not about “unity” or “solidarity.” And it’s not about the money or the beer: it’s about the Hooters.

Enough paragraphs for ya?

Thank you- much better.

The whole union board is screwed up. We fought for binding arbitration all these years - now we have it and we are scared to use it. The county is trying to move to arbitration to get this contract done. Vito is obviously stalling because if he wasn't he would have made a counter offer to the county by now. ( Which he hasn't) We are obviously at a dead end with negotiations so lets put on the best case we can to an arbitrator. Vito said we are different than other county employees so go ahead big guy - go prove it in front of the arbitrator.

The whole union board is screwed up. We fought for binding arbitration all these years - now we have it and we are scared to use it. The county is trying to move to arbitration to get this contract done. Vito is obviously stalling because if he wasn't he would have made a counter offer to the county by now. ( Which he hasn't) We are obviously at a dead end with negotiations so lets put on the best case we can to an arbitrator. Vito said we are different than other county employees so go ahead big guy - go prove it in front of the arbitrator.

There's more to binding arbitration than just jumping into it. There are facts and data that need to be collected to support our case. You can't just go to arbitration, expect a great settlement, with nothing to present to the arbitrator. Doing the research is the job of the union, which they are doing. This is why it's taking so long. I highly doubt that the county is pushing to get the contract done. If this were true, negotiations would have started years ago. The county is in no rush to give us anything, they could care less how long we go without a contract.

This is all simple information your union delegate should be passing on to you. If your delegate is not informed, or refuses to make the effort to give you the information you want, get a new delegate who will make the effort.

As far as Vito goes, whatever. If you're unhappy with him, vote him out next election. Until then, he's what we're stuck with. The best we can do right now is try to stay united and work towards a fair contract, as hard as it may seem at times. We need to stop airing our gripes in public, and make changes during the elections like we did last time around. (OK, so one of those changes didn't really go so well, but the other two were good moves in my opinion).

The whole union board is screwed up. We fought for binding arbitration all these years - now we have it and we are scared to use it. The county is trying to move to arbitration to get this contract done. Vito is obviously stalling because if he wasn't he would have made a counter offer to the county by now. ( Which he hasn't) We are obviously at a dead end with negotiations so lets put on the best case we can to an arbitrator. Vito said we are different than other county employees so go ahead big guy - go prove it in front of the arbitrator.

Not to mention the Deps got screwed in their binding arb case....

I would rather have the deps contract than no contract. Most deps got better than 9% over two years. New hires took a hit but so what it wasn't that bad. Show me the $$$$$$$$$

[You must be retarted]

What!!!!! If you give in now what happens next time.We have to bite the bullet now and fight. We must show Levy that we will not be screwed with anymore and show us respect.
As long as I've been a C/O we have always receive the scraps.We always bitch that we get shitty contract and we all vote them in on the first try.(then again everyone you talk to says they voted it down) remember WE all vote on the contract not just Vito.
I know thing are tight for all of us but we must stick together just one time and fight for what's right.If things don't work out like we wanted it to at least we give it our all.
Look at Nassau & Suffolk County PD They stick together and look where they are.
I think its great that Vito isn't afraid to butt head with Levy, our former President never would.
I look forward to seeing and hearing from you in person at the next Union meeting (April 25) If you need a ride let me know I would be more than happy to pick you up.

I would rather have the deps contract than no contract. Most deps got better than 9% over two years. New hires took a hit but so what it wasn't that bad. Show me the $$$$$$$$$

That percentage included the step increase. The Deps already at top step got peanuts, with no retro.
Noone said this would be easy, but it's about our money. Don't cave in yet. It affects all of us.

That is not true. I am a top step deputy and my raise was around 8% . As far as retro, we lost some but we will still get retro for both years. The first year was a lump raise( that goes into our salary for both years, unlike AME) and the second was a percentage raise that we will get full retro on. As you know, we are not happy about some of the things for the new hires, but the raises weren't bad. Also, the language in the award may help us in the future. Good luck with your negotiations/ arbitration.

[Also In The Know]

A Union President can accept the collective bargaining agreement on behalf of the membership. A vote is NOT required. Check it out.

A Union President can accept the collective bargaining agreement on behalf of the membership. A vote is NOT required. Check it out.

But can a Sheriff accept a collective bargaining agreement on behalf of the membership he once lead , and is now the boss of?
You might be right about the vote not required, but then again, thats why there's lawyers.

A Union President can accept the collective bargaining agreement on behalf of the membership. A vote is NOT required. Check it out.

But can a Sheriff accept a collective bargaining agreement on behalf of the membership he once lead , and is now the boss of?
You might be right about the vote not required, but then again, thats why there's lawyers.

At the time of the contract, the "sheriff" was still a union pres. he did not become "sheriff until jan 1st..........so there

[Guest of Honor]

Maybe.

But during the arbitration and prior negotiations he was the Sheriff-elect. Did he sign off on the arbitration on January 3?

Either way - that's a clear conflict of intrest!

What you are missing is that the award only takes two people to sign off on. By the time it made its way to the sheriff there were already two signatures and the only reason he signed it was to dissent on the flsa.

Vito stop the B.S. and lets get the arbitration ball rolling already. All you talk about is how we need arbitration and now that we have it stop stalling.

I think they went to impass today, but I could me misinformed.